Comic 1664 - Finding Cyana

16th Oct 2019, 12:00 AM
Finding Cyana
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megados 16th Oct 2019, 12:27 AM edit delete reply

Re:Alt text, Yeah, uh-oh.

If their EMP is similar to what an EMP is today, it can have unintended consequences, like taking out his monitor and comm, electronic weapons, other stuff . . . and intended ones, hopefully shiney dudes!

Is Celine the vehicle's AI?

They took Olina and Braden away . . . possibly still alive? (Yay?) Very glad Cyana's alive! (Yay!)

The visual of the EMP is cool. :)
Centcomm 16th Oct 2019, 12:29 AM edit delete reply

Logrins armor and gear are safe :D and thankys!
megados 16th Oct 2019, 10:52 AM edit delete reply

Ah, OK, good. The reason I mentioned it was because not all EMPs or shielding is/are created equal. Without going into a lot of dry detail, each has characteristics, which, if considered together in design, result in what you said: Logrin's stuff is fine. Otherwise, even good shielding can fail. Now let's hope Shiny dude's shielding (if any) is inadequate! :D
Lurker314 16th Oct 2019, 2:39 AM edit delete reply
EMP shielding is one of the several reasons that milspec hardware is so much more expensive than civilian. Everything has it's limits, of course, but the EMP-producing hard point is not going to create anything with such unfortunate consequences as you antisipate.
MirrorField 16th Oct 2019, 3:04 AM edit delete reply
Quite. Which is why the effectiveness of this burst is far from certain. Those shiny robots might be, and probably are, milspec with similar shielding which makes things iffy. It's quite possible that Lorcus will have to order a second burst which will fry *everything* electronic within range. Including his own gear.
Oldarmourer 16th Oct 2019, 12:31 PM edit delete reply
I'm thinking that EW has evolved considerably over the thousands of years and intense warfare between 'now' and 'then'. ECM, ECCM, ECCCM, and ECCCCM are quite different today than they were even 20 years ago and I sort of think Celene's scans are capable of picking up damped frequencies or emission gaps and targeting those with a specifically tailored 'pulse' designed to flood the bands the Feeliewhackers are using and use others as entry points for jamming/frying electronics. Since 'she' knows which frequencies the pulse will affect then she can set her own EW defences to offset them. All in all, the pulse is going to do what the story calls for, how it does that is FM but well modulated FM ;)
megados 16th Oct 2019, 2:35 PM edit delete reply

Quite so, as is the possibility of using filter circuits and resonators to cloak the vulnerabilities. ;)

*edit: Unless you're talking about ECMs designed to disrupt digital systems specifically. There are also some effective cloaking methods for those as well, such as setting up 'dummy' code, and intercepting the ECM landing point and redirecting it to read the area of dummy code corresponding with the area of program code you want to cloak. There are lots of ways to avoid measures and countermeasures.
Oldarmourer 17th Oct 2019, 11:09 PM edit delete reply

Nah, just plain old "filter THIS !!!" raw power :)

During a few International exercises, we still had the good old F-101 VooDoo's...their radar burned through just about any ECM through brute strength, enough to get a target anyway, and the 'Fox Five' call shortly after ruined a few umpire's days :)
Evervigilant 16th Oct 2019, 12:33 PM edit delete reply
Olina and Braden still alive? Possibly but not so sure it is a "yay". I'm betting they will either be shiny men themselves very quickly or spare parts for others. There's still hope of course but the bad guys have had part of a day and all night head start. I'm wondering why they left someone behind? To use the girl as bait and follow to the next target of opportunity or ambush any would be rescue?
CptKerion 16th Oct 2019, 8:11 PM edit delete reply
I'm gonna guess that the EMP is mostly to bork the stealth field since that probably has to be exposed to function.
chk 16th Oct 2019, 1:07 AM edit delete reply

There is something very tear jerking about an injured child telling a Ranger he has to get away.
megados 16th Oct 2019, 9:30 AM edit delete reply

That's very true :(
Thracecius 16th Oct 2019, 1:40 PM edit delete reply

That's the sign of a child who has seen much, much too much that they shouldn't have had to see. :(
mjkj 16th Oct 2019, 4:52 AM edit delete reply

Yayyyy, she lives!!! *hugs Cyana*

well, good he has his AI on standby keeping watch - but why did she not report cloaked presences earlier? why did they not scan before approaching???
Just_IDD 16th Oct 2019, 9:16 AM edit delete reply
The problem with scanning first is that it announces your presence to anything nearby that you would be attempting to detect. He was very sensibly running passive scans when trying to sneak up on a building. Active scanning is like running around yelling as loudly as you can that you are someplace and are looking for something.
Oldarmourer 16th Oct 2019, 12:40 PM edit delete reply
Yup, sometimes scans aren't so much 'what's there ?' as 'what's not there ?' and a damped or blank spot in the spectrum can scream pretty loudly...
StLOrca 16th Oct 2019, 5:53 AM edit delete reply

"They mostly come at night. Mostly."
Oldarmourer 16th Oct 2019, 11:05 AM edit delete reply
hmmm now that we can see clearly, it's a completely different logo on Logrin's chest than the one on blue eyes...perhaps a little friendly inter-service rivalry is in the wings ? ;)
robnot 16th Oct 2019, 8:19 PM edit delete reply
already got confirmation that Gunny Logrin is a Marine.. an Goldies look like navy logo.. don't know bout "friendly" ,, tho , you don't use a kid as bait...
..hum... U.C.M. , im thinking, United Continental Marines,, or going off 'Aliens' United Colonial Marines... (pointing to StlOrca.)
Oldarmourer 17th Oct 2019, 9:16 PM edit delete reply
The head Feeliewhacker is most definitely sporting a USMC Force Recon badge, Logrin isn't. I had no trouble finding blue eye's badge, it only took a few seconds, Logrin's on the other hand remains quite elusive after a more indepth search and may well be something created specifically for his character in this universe alone, or something that didn't come about until a few thousand years from 'now', maybe a LunaComm unit ? or a long defunct military Unit or perhaps even a non-'USA' unit ? I'll keep looking but right now there's something about that 'gunny' badge that looks a little off...but then it's thousands of years in the future and things do change over the years, todays rank insignia don't look like those of a couple of hundred years ago in many cases....
Oldarmourer 17th Oct 2019, 9:23 PM edit delete reply
Logrin's patch doesn't say 'USMC' it says 'U.C.M.'
Oldarmourer 17th Oct 2019, 10:35 PM edit delete reply

In the set with Dr Demark his armour has the 'skull and swords' U.C.M patch... Ranger Logrin Imbrus

but in the set where Katya is delivered it has a six pointed star...Side Story - Katya 5

Texas ranger and US Marshal stars have five points...
So maybe it's a Magen David and they arrived on Shabbat ?

I can't make out what's engraved on his right forearm
"The FE(armour in the way)SS 3RD" Maybe "THE FEARLESS 3RD" ?
Or "THE FECKLESS 3RD" ? who knows ? ;)
robnot 17th Oct 2019, 10:54 PM edit delete reply
CentComm confirmed in comic 1662 ,, last panel right collar was Marine rank.. i asked if was future Marines.. she said "yep." .. an i did NOT say "USMC" i just said Marine... hence my speculation on U.C.M.
oh an Gunny Logrins patch is a stock photo (pic) ,,
Oldarmourer 17th Oct 2019, 11:16 PM edit delete reply

Good finding that picture, it's not exactly the same, but it's close.
I know I've seen that particular skull/swords before but usually on non-military 'wannabe' patches or tattoos.
I'm going to assume Logrin's is an actual Unit patch even if his Unit may well be a fictitious one...
Hence the difficulty finding it or a UCM reference that matches exactly.
And I was thinking along the same lines as "United Colonial Marines" or somesuch so we agree there.
That's the trouble with the interweb findy stuff thingy it only goes backwards for real things :)
Now I just have to think of a suitably cringeworthy acronym that Cent or Rose would have come up with for him to wear...
Like "Unarmed Combat Master" or "Us be Centcomm's Marines" or...something
Rashala 17th Oct 2019, 2:11 AM edit delete reply

They used her as bait......oh brother things are just going down hill like a landslide now.
Romfire 17th Oct 2019, 7:09 AM edit delete reply
If there was anything left of Skeeter, the EMP would fry it. :(
megados 17th Oct 2019, 9:39 AM edit delete reply

What if Skeeter has shielding to a similar spec as Logrin's?
Johninaustin 17th Oct 2019, 9:59 AM edit delete reply
EMP weapons have been directional for a while now. Raytheon even manufactures a focused EMP cruise missile. There is minimal hazard to anything outside of the targeted area.
Oldarmourer 17th Oct 2019, 6:17 PM edit delete reply
It could also be that whatever is being used is simply called 'EMP' as a holdover term for something similar in past times but quite different in modern application.

Sort of like calling a personal issue frequency hopping, multi-encrypted, burst transmission capable communications system with datalink, GPS, 'blue force display' complete with internet, facebook and twitter accounts, a 'walkie talkie' ;)
megados 17th Oct 2019, 8:56 PM edit delete reply

That's certainly possible. EMP is a pretty specific term, though, with a specific meaning. EMP parameters, such as rise and fall times, amplitude, period, and specific waveform can vary, but it's essence is usually specific. When I think about it, Cent and Rose themselves usually research things, so I'd have to believe that if they said EMP, that's the intended meaning.

Having said that, I have no way to speak with Logrin directly, to have him describe exactly what the term means to him.
Oldarmourer 17th Oct 2019, 8:59 PM edit delete reply
You didn'tget his Lunamail address ?
It was posted at the briefing...
megados 17th Oct 2019, 9:09 PM edit delete reply

For whatever reason, he's not answering my messages. He's usually pretty busy, so for now, I'll have to be patient.
Oldarmourer 17th Oct 2019, 9:57 PM edit delete reply
might be having some interference on his mail server
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