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Comic 1284 - Runaway Bus

27th Jul 2015, 12:00 AM
Runaway Bus
Average Rating: 5 (18 votes)
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Mark_L_A 27th Jul 2015, 12:10 AM edit delete reply

That muzzleblast effect is very cool.
Centcomm 27th Jul 2015, 12:56 AM edit delete reply

thanks the idea was taken from the Navy test firing of the REAL rail-gun they are making :D
Sheela 27th Jul 2015, 12:43 PM edit delete reply

The navy has so many wonderful toys, eh ?
Haegan2005 27th Jul 2015, 12:10 AM edit delete reply

Remind me to not get in a marksmanship contest with him...
DLKmusic 27th Jul 2015, 12:32 AM edit delete reply

Two thousand meters... THOUSAND meters...
with a rocket launcher!

Centcomm 27th Jul 2015, 12:53 AM edit delete reply

actually thats a sniper rifle .. a Magnetic Linear Accelerator :D also called a Railgun.. or a OMFG he just shot me with a 1/4 pound of a slug accelrated to 8 times or more the speed of sound.. ( the blast wave from the rifle is from the air turning to plasma as it exits in front of the bullet. )
Marcus Ramesy 27th Jul 2015, 10:07 AM edit delete reply

Sniper Rifles.. when you need to reach out and touch some one.
Sheela 27th Jul 2015, 12:44 PM edit delete reply

Marcus : Touching baddies inappropiately since he enlisted the military. >_<
Stormwind13 28th Jul 2015, 9:20 AM edit delete reply

"At anytime, anywhere our snipers can drop you. Have a nice day!". :-D
anonymous coward 27th Jul 2015, 3:16 PM edit delete reply
We have real-life sniper shots at that distance on record. Further even if using particularly good weapons for it: Three current longest distance recorded sniper kills are at 2.475, 2.43 and 2.31 using ".338 Lapua Magnum LockBase B408 bullets" and "Hornady A-MAX .50 (.50 BMG)" for the second and third respectively. It's probably easier to make that shot since gyrostabilizing, rangefinding and air current adjustment have probably advanced a wee little bit in the centuries between now and then, to say nothing of the fact that it's probably easier to get better MoA (or even SoA) rating out of a railgun than a chemical propellant weapon.
Mark_L_A 27th Jul 2015, 3:50 PM edit delete reply

According to a friend who was a Scout Sniper in the Corps, it's easier to figure out your hold shooting east vs shooting west due to the Coriolis effect. (The Earths Rotation can affect a shot at extreme ranges)
Marcus Ramesy 27th Jul 2015, 5:37 PM edit delete reply

all of this is true, weaponizing math is a wonderful thing.. when taking extreme shots, such things are taken in to consideration, from the humidity to the rotation to the wind factor... this type of shot at 1 mile out is very easy when you have the right equipment and a weapon that has the range to do it with.
Dragonrider 27th Jul 2015, 12:13 AM edit delete reply

That should definitely give some one a head ache. One that Excedrin won't cure.
Centcomm 27th Jul 2015, 12:54 AM edit delete reply

Or break someones heart . ( mind you he did just put it though the GUN and his Chest and the back wall..
jamie59 27th Jul 2015, 12:16 AM edit delete reply

Have to guess we're back to just before 0400 again.
Centcomm 27th Jul 2015, 12:54 AM edit delete reply

Yep.. that we are :D :D
Mark_L_A 27th Jul 2015, 3:55 PM edit delete reply

The Old Scribe 27th Jul 2015, 12:20 AM edit delete reply

Scratch one gun tower. Nice shootin', two-cells. That looked like a HEDP round or its future equivalent. Good to see there's still a place in combat for projectile weapons.
Guest 27th Jul 2015, 12:30 AM edit delete reply
its Kenitic rail slug, but same function as HEDP, I save the fusion rounds for heavier targets
Marcus Ramesy 27th Jul 2015, 12:38 AM edit delete reply

its Kinetic rail slug, but same function as HEDP, I save the fusion rounds for heavier targets

(wasn't logged in when I made previous comment)
Boren 27th Jul 2015, 12:55 AM edit delete reply
So it's a combination of chemical propellant and magnetic rail acceleration?
Also is the ghost skull in the mussel flash intentional?
Centcomm 27th Jul 2015, 12:58 AM edit delete reply

Just magnetic .. no powder at all :D ghost skull? odd .. I dont see it :D

its just turning the air around the muzzle to plasma due to the speed the projectile is leaving the muzzle at..
Boren 27th Jul 2015, 1:00 AM edit delete reply
Outer edge of the flash just above the mussel on the left hand side it looks like eyes in the flash
Centcomm 27th Jul 2015, 1:06 AM edit delete reply

COOL it wasn't intentional on my part :D
The Old Scribe 27th Jul 2015, 10:28 AM edit delete reply

Oh yeah, now I see it. Looks like the left side of a skull. You can see the round top and the jaw. Are you goofin' on us, Cent? ;-)
velvetsanity 27th Jul 2015, 1:47 PM edit delete reply

I see several skulls in there
Boren 27th Jul 2015, 12:58 AM edit delete reply
Never mind the first question Cent answered it in the time it took to refresh lol
Centcomm 27th Jul 2015, 12:55 AM edit delete reply

Actually roma does have quite a few .. we just haven't seen them yet..
CptKerion 27th Jul 2015, 1:55 AM edit delete reply
I'd generally recommend chem-mag combinations to help overcome magnetic deflection shields.
Admittedly you could never mount a shield of sufficient power to do anything to a railgun projectile on a VW bus, but the principle still applies. It can be enough to turn a direct hit against something more heavily armored into an indirect hit that just scours away some paint.

So, guys, what do you call the projectile launched by a railgun?
Centcomm 27th Jul 2015, 1:59 AM edit delete reply

amusingly .. "Slug" or "Round" depending on how tactful you want to be :D
velvetsanity 27th Jul 2015, 1:48 PM edit delete reply

Call it such mundane terms if you wish. I call such a projectile 'life-ender' :D
Sheela 27th Jul 2015, 4:58 PM edit delete reply

Well, *I* call it George! :)
Marcus Ramesy 27th Jul 2015, 5:38 PM edit delete reply

some will call it "to whom it may concern"
DLKmusic 27th Jul 2015, 8:20 PM edit delete reply

Call it "Dear John"?
That one guy 27th Jul 2015, 6:46 PM edit delete reply
I'd say the gun tower has moved on to scratching other things now.
cattservant 27th Jul 2015, 1:48 AM edit delete reply

a failure of windows...
Sheela 27th Jul 2015, 4:58 PM edit delete reply

Windows need a patch to plug the security hole ?
cattservant 28th Jul 2015, 12:15 AM edit delete reply

Gun turrets shouldn't have windows.
mjkj 27th Jul 2015, 2:48 AM edit delete reply

Nice shot... XD turret/tower down - one to go...

PS: great vote incentive =D

Sheela 27th Jul 2015, 5:00 PM edit delete reply

Well, the turret isn't down, as such, just the shooter - If I interpretrate it correctly.
Matt Knab 27th Jul 2015, 6:23 AM edit delete reply

Dang, nice shot!
Thomas 27th Jul 2015, 9:28 AM edit delete reply
Seems a tad conspicuous for a sniper rifle considering the hug ball of flame it produces when it's fired.
Marcus Ramesy 27th Jul 2015, 10:12 AM edit delete reply

that is what the stealth field is for... and repositioning.. it is a limitation of the weapon.. but... it allows for taking out of hard to reach targets....
Stormwind13 27th Jul 2015, 10:18 AM edit delete reply

I suspect that the weapon can be dialed back if need be. Currently he is trying to take out gun emplacement of unknown armored thickness. So he is using the full capability until he knows what level he needs to use.
Marcus Ramesy 27th Jul 2015, 11:01 AM edit delete reply

Last I checked.. it had 2 settings.. pew... and no pew... Different rounds will do different things.. there is the fusion rounds that are the HE version of the kinetic rounds, the diamond P round for soft targets ... the general purpose round is the kinetic round which is overkill for soft targets but perfect for taking them out if they are behind armored walls or any thing... the Fusion rounds are for things that a bit more hardened like... tanks... and murder turds
Centcomm 27th Jul 2015, 11:11 AM edit delete reply

More like BOOM and NO BOOM! :D
Marcus Ramesy 27th Jul 2015, 11:20 AM edit delete reply

that works to
Sheela 27th Jul 2015, 1:45 PM edit delete reply

Frankly, at a 2 klicks distance, a muzzle flash is NOT easy to spot.
anonymous coward 27th Jul 2015, 3:27 PM edit delete reply
That's what automated sensor analysis is for. Considering that it's easily possible to have 360-360 visual and auditory monitoring in tiny little packages, and computing power ought to be cheaper than it is now, you'd figure they'd scatter monitoring sensors every couple metres. It'd be useful for catching people who don't stoop and scoop, drug deals, political subversives, littering, general maintenance issues and any actual crime that happens in view, to say nothing of the use of firearms and other deadly weaponry. That stuff is on the horizon for being standard everywhere within the next twenty years and it's kinda more than halfway there already in a bunch of places (like London).
Sheela 27th Jul 2015, 5:01 PM edit delete reply

True, unless ofcourse they took those out.

Ofcourse, noone's gonna think a whole lot about the little sniper once that van goes BOOM. :)
Marcus Ramesy 27th Jul 2015, 5:41 PM edit delete reply

such monitoring systems have been taken in to consideration and countermeasures are taken to prevent local surveillance from catching on too quickly
That one guy 27th Jul 2015, 6:53 PM edit delete reply
Centcomm (author) stated above "its just turning the air around the muzzle to plasma due to the speed the projectile is leaving the muzzle at" for the muzzle flash, as there's no chemical propellant.

If we're talking about the projectile pushing the air fast enough to create plasma, it'd seem like there'd be some possibility of plasma generated from air displaced by the bullet in open air and not just rushing out the barrel. Pointed slug will reduce that, but you'd think there'd still be some degree of localized plasma cone that would make it easier to spot.

I also wonder how far out you could use a wadcutter as a tracer.
Centcomm 27th Jul 2015, 7:07 PM edit delete reply

wadcutter as tracer.. Probably as far until the bullet disintegrated Marcus's railslugs are made of a hyper dense alloy that can take the stresses of firing at that speed. lead isnt going to cut it .. har har..
That one guy 27th Jul 2015, 8:21 PM edit delete reply
I could be wrong, but I believe that a wadcutter is just the description for the shape. I'd assume you'd want something ferromagnetic for a rail gun.

So possibly incorrect/imprecise terminology on my part, but I'd meant roughly the same slug that's currently used, but as a perfect, rather than sharpened, cylinder.

I do think the plasma right in front of it would eat into it faster than a pointed slug as it wouldn't be shunting it aside, along with additional resistance to slow it down faster.

I'm really just curious if anyone a bit more physics-minded than me wants to take a swing at some of that. I'd considered physics in school, but went computers instead as I'm much better with discrete math than calculus, so I only dabble.
Hornet 28th Jul 2015, 9:02 AM edit delete reply
London's kind of F*up soft as butter borders but the internal security of a Max-sec prison.
Marcus Ramesy 28th Jul 2015, 9:52 AM edit delete reply

wadcutter is a shape they tend to be flat on top and generaly as wide as the bullet or just a slight taper .. they are used for target shooting so you get that nice perfect circle when you hit the paper.. you also have semi wadcutters same purpose just a little bit more tapered at the end.. I tend to use HBFP (hollow base flat point)

which is not technically a wadcutter.. but does the same thing nice perfect round holes in the paper target at the end .
chk 27th Jul 2015, 1:28 PM edit delete reply

Bidi must be so happy.
T1-G3R2501 27th Jul 2015, 3:52 PM edit delete reply
That raises a good point is Bidi cannon? or just cannon fodder? lol
DLKmusic 28th Jul 2015, 12:20 AM edit delete reply

since this isn't the real Bidi, my guess is "Bidi go BOOM"
anonymous coward 27th Jul 2015, 3:33 PM edit delete reply
Shooty noises now, boomy noises soon. I doubt we'll get something as cool as a full mushroom cloud out of it though.
I'm having a bit of trouble guessing what Marcus' plan is once they've blown up the front door though. Obviously you don't go in there but what does he do and how does he find his target(s) in that environment?
Sheela 27th Jul 2015, 5:03 PM edit delete reply

Yeah, you need a fair bit of explosive & thermal power to get mushroom clouds of big enough sizes to be seen over the city.
Marcus Ramesy 27th Jul 2015, 7:18 PM edit delete reply

sadly Anonymous, that information is classified and can not be discussed at this time.
lalverson 27th Jul 2015, 6:07 PM edit delete reply
"SHOOTY NOISES EVERYWHERE!" I love it, just a little more than "WEE-DOO WEE-DOO"
Draginbeard 27th Jul 2015, 7:05 PM edit delete reply

Good lord, that better be one tough Van!
Centcomm 27th Jul 2015, 7:46 PM edit delete reply

well Marcus did give them a shield unit for it :D
CptKerion 27th Jul 2015, 7:17 PM edit delete reply
due to the seeming prevalence of shielded targets and various active and passive countermeasures, if I were equipping a military in the DC setting I'd actually give them Shear rifles. AKA, weaponized artificial gravity. I'd use rattler (bigger artificial gravity weapons) emplacements to knock aircraft and drones out of the sky and kill the crews of tanks.
I'd also use ramjets and stabilizers on projectile weapons to assist in foiling deflection type shielding.
I'd also use various ion weapons (shoots a cloud of ionized particles) to much up electronics as well as EMP. If you can knock the enemy back to the stone age while keeping yourself out of the stone age, you can win quickly. Alternatively, use broad area ion or EMP weapons and have your men equipped with chemical projectile weapons as a backup to allow them to keep fighting once all the electronics go offline.

I would also make heavy use of various seeker missiles of the smaller variety. I'd especially go for magnetic or shield seekers. As always, laser target paint is an option.
Marcus Ramesy 27th Jul 2015, 7:26 PM edit delete reply

Emp is something that we concern our selves with which is why every thing is hardened, it wouldn't do to have a simple emp blast take out the combat drones, cyborgs, and androids.. but.. a significantly powerful emp blast can and has caused havoc with the electronics, and thus forces us to fall back on more conventional weapons.. nothing says fuck you like a good ol fashion grenade to the teeth..

quote for the day: "1911, because pistol whipping some one with a piece of plastic just doesn't get the point across the same way"
Centcomm 27th Jul 2015, 8:00 PM edit delete reply

The Epiphytes and Luna DO have gravity based weapons .. one being called the "Hammer" because of the gravitic shearing forces it can exert on a target. Also the Repulse gun .. another gravity Push weapon.

The Epiphytes do not share lethal weapons tech with humans . they see that as putting razor blades in the hands of children.

Gavin used a EMP weapon "near" Lynn at the first of the comic.. didn't hit her car just scared her silly.

New Troy and Nova Roma both have various EMP weapons to wreak havoc on mechanized and synthetic weapons and androids and Bots

and yes intelligent seeker missiles also exsist in DC :D

There are also shield breaker and weapons designed against shields :D
Kitty 27th Jul 2015, 7:35 PM edit delete reply
"Spltch"? Eww...someone's gonna have a hell of a mess to clean up!
Centcomm 27th Jul 2015, 8:01 PM edit delete reply

someone get a mop?
Stormwind13 27th Jul 2015, 8:58 PM edit delete reply

I think that mess isn't going to be noticeable shortly, Kitty. :-)
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