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Comic 1559 - Final Say

18th Oct 2017, 12:00 AM
Final Say
Average Rating: 4.93 (14 votes)

Author Notes:

Tokyo Rose 18th Oct 2017, 12:00 AM edit delete
Tokyo Rose
Anybody who wants to keep on bitching about how separation isn't advice that a psychiatrist would give is welcome to post their own credentials as a therapist, psychiatrist, or counselor. We will simply thank them for their input and keep on writing our story as we see fit, though.
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Centcomm 18th Oct 2017, 12:09 AM edit delete reply

also on a side note the viddie card seems to be back up to speed so .. yay! ( thank you all for helping! )
megados 18th Oct 2017, 12:38 AM edit delete reply
Great news! :D Glad you got something going!
Sheela 18th Oct 2017, 4:51 AM edit delete reply

'Tis good news that you did not roast the video card, tempting as that may be at some times.
DizzasterJuice 18th Oct 2017, 10:44 AM edit delete reply

Here's a program I use to monitor GPU/CPU temps, etc. - cpuid hwmonitor
megados 18th Oct 2017, 12:28 AM edit delete reply
Re: Alt text, CentComm has all but been dismissed! Athena's got this. :D

Re: Author's Note: I don't have any credentials in mental health, but I would imagine that a percentage of accredited professionals would recommend separation, another percentage would not, and yet another percentage would prescribe some kind of medication. (There are always those who think pills are the answer) Then there's the matter of Acantha's needing rest.

I doubt the therapist intends to keep Lynn away from Acantha forever.

rufiangel 18th Oct 2017, 12:53 AM edit delete reply

Yeah, I agree. Athena's got this, and the separation is more like a breathing space thing, I think. Plus it'll help in the long-run for others to see that Lynn cares for Acantha as a friend, moreso than an unhealthy emotional attachment she was dependent on in the midst of their crisis. -v-*

I really like how this whole conversation is panning out so far, you really get a feel for the new dynamic our new arrivals are bringing in with them. :D
mjkj 18th Oct 2017, 1:44 AM edit delete reply

Indeed... - ...yayy for grandparents =)
velvetsanity 18th Oct 2017, 5:56 AM edit delete reply

Crisis bonds aren’t necessarily unhealthy, or most combat veterans would be in straightjackets in round rubber rooms and doped up with enough thorazine to treat a dozen elephants :P
six 18th Oct 2017, 2:11 AM edit delete reply
People need to remember this is a future world so just maybe psychology is an actual science there. ;)

As for taking time off someone or something that have been involved in your trauma it is not a bad advice no matter if it would turn out to be true or not.
My guess is that Lynn use her friend to stay strong but to actually get better she needs to crash before the issues can be properly diagnosed and dealt with.
Sheela 18th Oct 2017, 4:53 AM edit delete reply

At the same point Lynn *does* have an awful good point .. her shrink does not know Acantha.

And Acantha's mental health may be an issue as well, since she will end up being lonely without Lynn.
megados 18th Oct 2017, 10:51 AM edit delete reply
There are pros and cons for Lynn's potential wellbeing with the separation to be sure, but also for Acantha. She just got out of heart surgery, and once she's awake enough, she will want to see Lynn too, but the downside is that the medical team would rather have her rest quietly. It's possible that she may get overly excited, which could be to her physical detriment.

I am not a medical professional either, so take this with a grain of salt.
TheSkulker 19th Oct 2017, 6:35 AM edit delete reply

Not just lonely but really stressed out. Acantha is in a foreign city, totally at the mercy of a rival city-state, physically compromised and without resources. While, so far, the actions of New Troy have been helpful, she has no reason to trust that their motivations are entirely altruistic. I am sure she has absolute and complete faith in Lynn but Acantha has been around palace intrigue long enough and is quite smart enough to know that Lynn is not running the show.

Stress is a huge detriment to healing, not only indirectly through poor sleep but directly though stress hormones such as adrenaline. If the medical team is halfway competent they should be aware of this, be attending to Acantha's mental well being and be doing their best to assuage her concerns.

It is not just Acantha that may be getting stressed out - Lynn certainly is highly stressed. At the very least, let Lynn send a message to Acantha. The total lack of any communication is not helping either one.
mjkj 18th Oct 2017, 1:43 AM edit delete reply

Well, another one who tries to keep hhem separated... =P

I wonder when they will meet again - or when we will see Athena again... =D

...great to hear the graphics card is performing again...

megados 18th Oct 2017, 1:04 PM edit delete reply
Did you mean ". . . see Acantha again?" :)
mjkj 19th Oct 2017, 1:38 PM edit delete reply

Yup, that was what I meant...
megados 20th Oct 2017, 1:07 PM edit delete reply
Okay, because I wonder that too, at times. :)
Timotheus 18th Oct 2017, 3:15 AM edit delete reply

Athena starts off by asking for Lynn to finally tell HER side of what happened in Nova Roma (aka debrief) so that future decisions will be based on facts not assumptions (Stockholm Syndrome.) I think we can safely assume the grown ups have taken charge.
(edit-That was my concern - that the therapist was being unduly influenced by Calliope's instructions, which happens in real life, and people's decisions were being based on their opinions of what happened in New Rome and not on what Lynn and Acantha actually experienced.)
Sheela 18th Oct 2017, 4:54 AM edit delete reply

Much to the consternation of the kids, both Lynn *and* Centcomm!
cattservant 18th Oct 2017, 5:35 AM edit delete reply

Panel 1: Centi-Mouse!
mjkj 18th Oct 2017, 6:35 AM edit delete reply

*lol* yeah, those Centi Mouse ears are fitting her... =P
guest 18th Oct 2017, 11:31 AM edit delete reply
LOL love it.!! :)
Ictuan 18th Oct 2017, 11:57 AM edit delete reply
Whether intentional or not, Cent does look like a Mouseketeer in panel 1. Oh the humiliation.
megados 18th Oct 2017, 12:04 PM edit delete reply
I doubt it was intentional, or that Cent would care.

It IS cute though! XD
Sheela 18th Oct 2017, 1:12 PM edit delete reply

D'aww. :D
velvetsanity 18th Oct 2017, 5:52 AM edit delete reply

With everyone going off on the Stockholm Syndrome thing...

It’s nothing more than a guess. An assumption. Jumping to conclusions without having anything more than the absolute most basic/general of facts to go on. The shrink should not have even mentioned it at this point, except in the sense of 'its common for kidnap victims, so we have to consider it a possibility'. Once the whole story comes out, that preliminary guess will likely go away in favor of seeing it more along the lines of the sort of bond typical of combat veterans who’ve survived intense crisis situations together. Because really, how long was Lynn in New Rome? A week? Is that long enough for Stockholm Syndrome to truly set in? (Its plenty long enough for a combat/crisis bond to form, yes...and more than long enough for PTSD, which can be caused in mere moments...but Stockholm Syndrome has more in common with brainwashing than with simple psychological trauma, and that takes a lot longer.)

And Lynn is justifiably worried that Cent or someone else may treat Acantha as The Enemy, as well as needing to be able to actually SEE, with her own eyes, that Acantha's alright.

Lynn's psychological immaturity at the start of this is also a factor, one that greatly complicates matters. She didn’t have the experience, training, or mindset to be properly equipped to handle it the way soldiers do. This is a big part of why she’s as distraught as she is right now.
Gilrandir 18th Oct 2017, 10:34 AM edit delete reply
"Justifiably", @velvetsanity? I have seen nothing to justify that particular worry and (in my opinion) I think it a harsh and unfair indictment of both CentComm and Calliope. But, I suppose, only time will tell and you may be right.

Lynn has already seen, with her own eyes, that Acantha is all right. And there are many less-flattering explanations for why Lynn is as distraught as she is right now than that she lacks a soldier's training. (Again, in my opinion.)
velvetsanity 19th Oct 2017, 9:33 AM edit delete reply

Yes, justifiably. With drekhead out of the picture, Acantha represents the leadership of New Rome. Granted, when this all started, it was entirely her insane brother's doing, but at the time *he* represented the leadership. They don’t yet have all the facts about what happened or what the political situation in New Rome is, and are still operating on *assumptions*. And we all know what happens when you make an assumption: you make an ass out of you and mption.

The fact that they’re still operating on assumptions is why the worry is justifiable.
Ebonbolt 20th Oct 2017, 6:58 AM edit delete reply

Additionally, Lynn is aware that Cent-Comm sometimes takes drastic unilateral action based on Cent's understanding of the circumstances, without necessarily informing anyone else of either those actions or her conclusions. This further justifies Lynn's worry, as she doesn't really understand how Cent's logic works, and is aware that she doesn't. That's not to say Cent would act against Acantha, or that Lynn's worries will be realized, just that her worries are appropriate to what she knows, what she understands, and what she knows that she doesn't know.
Gilrandir 20th Oct 2017, 2:27 PM edit delete reply
Ah! @Ebonbolt, you have hit on the very crux of the matter for me. You observe, quite correctly, that Lynn does not seem to understand much (if anything) about why CentComm acts as she does or targets who she does. Much like primitive man cowering in irrational terror at all times from the inexplicable and mysterious power of the thunderstorm, her anxiety is understandable in her situation until she discovers an inkling of the science of meteorology. For it to be justified, we should be seeing gathering clouds and falling barometer readings.

However, given that CentComm's actions are (or appear to be) sound and rational (not infallible) strategies based on min-max principles and risk-reward analysis, it seems to me that any actual fear of CentComm intentionally initiating irreversibly harmful action (including being unforgivably rude) to Acantha is about as likely as a thunderstorm coming out of a clear blue sky with the barometer rising and no measurable winds -- i.e., next to none. Even if CentComm did assume Acantha to hold malign intent towards New Troy, acting on that without solid evidence would seem to offer far too much risk for far too little reward. So, in an objective sense there is no justification for Lynn's worries (in my opinion). "Understandable" and "Justified" are not, in my opinion, synonyms.
Hornet 18th Oct 2017, 10:49 AM edit delete reply
A therapist having any friggen clue what they're talking about? No no. I don't think they do, they just spout a lot of BS to sound like they do. Kind of like Abstract Art Critics.
guest 18th Oct 2017, 11:43 AM edit delete reply
hence that fancy name " Practice ".. i agree with you.. like sigmund fraud you must love mom/dad, just because he did.. or the crisis therapist i saw, you must be suffering LMS ( little man syndrome) cuz i wanted to kill this drunk guy,, that ran over a little girl, an as a EMT , i had to watch her die...
DLKmusic 18th Oct 2017, 12:19 PM edit delete reply

For everyone who is still going off on "Stockholm Syndrome".

1: The shrink admitted that the pieces didn't fit for stockholm syndrome but that she was redirecting: Comic 1532 - Not Sorry

2: On a completely practical side, Lynn is currently a HUGE security risk. and could potentially start a war because she's mad at Cent-comm. Like it or not, that has to be figured into the equation.

3: The Creatrixes JUST asked us to drop it.

4: I'm going back to bed now
antrik 18th Oct 2017, 4:20 PM edit delete reply
But... It's wrong... SOMEONE IS WRONG ON THE INTERNET! ;-)
megados 18th Oct 2017, 4:23 PM edit delete reply
@DLKmusic, for the most part, I agree with your points 1* and 2. Point 3 is a statement based on interpretation. To me, what Rose said was if you assert one way or other whether it's best to separate Lynn and Acantha, back it up. (with credentials). At that point, they will write the story as they see fit, regardless of outside opinions.

There are logical arguments both ways, but it doesn't seem to me that Rose intends to quash all debate, just that the storyline won't be decided in the comments section.

And on point 4, I hope you sleep well. :)

* was actually 1531 - redirecting
TheSkulker 19th Oct 2017, 7:12 AM edit delete reply

while we can argue back and forth about what is the correct action to take (if there actually is one), one thing that I think has been missed is that it is the characters themselves that have and will make the decisions.

It's not even a question of (whether we think it is) right or wrong - it is what the characters or plot dictates. They will do what they do - not what we think they should do.

One can yell at the TV for all one's worth but it won't change a damm thing!
antrik 19th Oct 2017, 4:05 PM edit delete reply
That's not entirely true: it can bring relief... Which is certainly a positive change :-)
Siren 18th Oct 2017, 1:24 PM edit delete reply
I think it's perfectly rational for an outsider to have concerns about Stockholm Syndrome. They don't know Acantha was a fellow victim - and equally, if not more, in need of treatment. Might have been wiser to convince Lynn the separation was for Acantha's recovery.

If this were Game of Thrones, Acantha would have totally manipulated the various factors that conveniently left her as the surviving, ruling heir. Can't expect an outsider not to have suspicions about her role in these events.
Sheela 18th Oct 2017, 4:49 PM edit delete reply

If this was Game of Thrones, they would have threatened Lynn's life, and then killed her boyfriend, while in disguise, and have 2 doctors present not lift a single finger to save him, while a shadowy slave would heroically rescue him, only to go on a killing rampage later !!

.. oh .. wait ...
DLKmusic 18th Oct 2017, 5:19 PM edit delete reply

ROFL, @Sheela: at least they didn't un-sanctimoniously kill off everyone's favorite protagonist, too!

uhm... wait...
antrik 18th Oct 2017, 5:22 PM edit delete reply
Oh come on, nobody actually writes such crazy stories! ;-)
Sheela 18th Oct 2017, 7:57 PM edit delete reply

Not to mention, set all the hospitals on fire during a major catastrophe ?!

Nahh .. to far out.
wright1 18th Oct 2017, 2:02 PM edit delete reply
Athena's skills are definitely coming in handy here. She has courteously and completely taken the situation in hand; an example of Taylor matriarchy Lynn would do well to emulate.

And yeah, Lynn needed to vent (and still does), so her tantrum is understandable. It's a testament to her resiliency and strength of will that she's asserting herself now. That said, a prolonged cool-down will also benefit her and everyone around her. Most definitely including Acantha.
KarToon12 18th Oct 2017, 8:45 PM edit delete reply

Leave it to grandma to be able to get through to Lynn. It's better when you hear it from a trusted family member.
antrik 19th Oct 2017, 4:06 PM edit delete reply
As opposed to the other family members, you mean? ;-)
Ebonbolt 20th Oct 2017, 7:08 AM edit delete reply

But Gramma can do no wrong. Lynn already voiced her beef with Calli, & Dolly is the "stern parent" who will "always" naysay. Athena is confirming Dolly's ruling, while also giving her an opportunity to present her own argument-as long as she does it within certain boundaries.
Rashala 19th Oct 2017, 2:48 AM edit delete reply

Come on granny cheek pinch.........



Also I can understand where the doc and centy are coming from, though neither were there so all that can do is go off training data files and make sure no stolkhom crap is happening then Lyn can serve em both a fat dish of told ya so!
Ayshela 19th Oct 2017, 4:20 AM edit delete reply
Ahh grandmas. The ability to say everything mom's want to, and the emotional distance to be heard when they do.
StellarJay 19th Oct 2017, 6:07 AM edit delete reply

Athena has my respect. Who else has been able to hush up CentComm in mid sentence with just a raised hand?
Sheela 19th Oct 2017, 3:21 PM edit delete reply

MEEEEEEEEEE !!! >_<

Allright, allright, I may have nibbled a bit at the plug on her mainframe, but still.
Chippewa Ghost 19th Oct 2017, 10:57 AM edit delete reply

RE: alt text

Cent-Comm doesn't lose ground--it just strategically repositions.
Sheela 19th Oct 2017, 3:19 PM edit delete reply

Yes, but the ground decided to strategically reposition itself *away* from CentComm.

Currently, the ground is clutching at Athena's feet and wondering why the worlds seems to be revolving around her. Everyone else are just wondering when and where they got drunk.
knuut 20th Oct 2017, 2:29 PM edit delete reply
The problem with good Science Fiction is that it refuses to stay fictional. https://hackaday.com/2017/10/20/openais-world-champion/
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