Comic 1684 - Sharing Information

26th Feb 2020, 12:00 AM
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megados 26th Feb 2020, 12:18 AM edit delete reply

Virtual books! I love it! XD

Going on the assumption that this virtual printed material corresponds to an impressive (by AIS standards) amount of data, I have to ask just who did Rose present it to? CentComm? Over fifty years? Who is/was refuting it, and how so? Who was shooting down rescue plans? I have to say that on the surface, it calls into question CentComm's protestations that there wasn't enough information. Was there some way or reason it wasn't being passed on to CentComm in the first place?

So many questions! Nice job, Ladies! :D
Oldarmourer 26th Feb 2020, 12:19 PM edit delete reply
Assuming this is all happening in microseconds, can't remember the exact sequence right now but I remember Centy saying a picosecond of her time was the same as 10 years of a top level think group's (or words to that effect) that stack of digital paper would likely be the equivalent of several internet's worth of data...always do your research before picking a fight with bureaucrats ;)
Some Ed 26th Feb 2020, 12:59 PM edit delete reply
It's my guess that she was presenting the data to this very council. And, most of the time, it was Cent shooting down the rescue plans, because Cent being Cent always chose to dominate the meetings. Just like she'd been doing in this one until she managed to step in TR's trap.
Oldarmourer 26th Feb 2020, 1:35 PM edit delete reply
Ariel looks impressed, Centy looks annoyed...
Perhaps it wasn't the Council as a whole TR was presenting to...
More likely an ad hoc committee of a subcommittee of the planning committee of the committee as a whole in part...
all getting pyramiding honoraria, per diems and expenses, of course.
Oldarmourer 26th Feb 2020, 1:36 PM edit delete reply
and that sub-sub-sub-committee is called CentComm ;)
Sheela 27th Feb 2020, 4:25 PM edit delete reply

Yeah, it would be interesting to see who shot her down.
I mean, I can kinda understand the AIS's that are not on the same continent - If you are in a post apocalyptic situation, resources could be damn scarce … still they could have helped with deciphering data over a remote link, during the process .. that would not have cost them much in the way of resources.

Gonna be interesting to see what the other AIS present as their reasoning.
StLOrca 26th Feb 2020, 12:27 AM edit delete reply

"Dog-molesting years". This is a gem.
DLKmusic 26th Feb 2020, 1:17 AM edit delete reply

this explains much! Poor Sheela!

***opens a can of tuna***
Oldarmourer 26th Feb 2020, 4:18 PM edit delete reply
not quite the phrase we used, but very, very close...gotta keep that 'PG' rating yaknow ;)
Sheela 27th Feb 2020, 4:25 PM edit delete reply

Don't worry, as the local doggy, I can honestly say I have molested many cans of tuna over the years, and never have they even tried to fight back !
DLKmusic 28th Feb 2020, 1:04 AM edit delete reply

@Sheela: ROFLMAO!!!
Gilrandir 26th Feb 2020, 12:42 AM edit delete reply
I think that the glare Tokyo Rose is giving Centcomm speaks volumes.
Morituri 26th Feb 2020, 1:09 AM edit delete reply
Check the last panel. That glare is reciprocal. Possibly even mutual.
Gilrandir 26th Feb 2020, 7:52 AM edit delete reply
Yes, but no books. ^_^
KM 26th Feb 2020, 12:46 AM edit delete reply
I get the feeling if she wasn't so angry she'd be enjoying the fact she can literally throw the book at CentComm here. Or bookshelf I guess.

It's kinda like watching Zeus and Hades have a throw down though. These are basically the digital gods of the world, and like the greek gods of old they are extremely dysfunctional. Wonder how bad things would get if they weren't so focused on the overarching goal of saving humanity from itself and restoring the species. Tensions so thick you could knit sweaters out of it.
Miyto 26th Feb 2020, 12:57 AM edit delete reply
Oh, she is reveling in this moment. And will laugh about it with friends and/or accomplices afterwards
Gilrandir 26th Feb 2020, 7:56 AM edit delete reply
There is always a feeling of vindication and justification when a measure you took some time ago finally reaches the moment against which it had been prepared. If Tokyo Rose had carefully put aside and preserved all this data against the time someone would finally listen to her about Aeneas, then the fact it has happened at last should carry with it a degree of reward.
Oldarmourer 26th Feb 2020, 12:09 PM edit delete reply
There's a certain feeling that comes from handing someone their own directives that they'd forgotten about...
Just_IDD 26th Feb 2020, 3:38 AM edit delete reply
High tensions usually have lots of volts but they keep the world humming.
Oldarmourer 26th Feb 2020, 4:19 PM edit delete reply
Tensions so thick and strained you could knit a pink sweater out of them...oh, wait....
Just_IDD 26th Feb 2020, 3:27 AM edit delete reply
Welp. I'm not molesting that dog. It does answer several of my questions though. Like the best answers, it does lead to more questions. (And the pun was intended).
Just_IDD 26th Feb 2020, 3:34 AM edit delete reply
Oh, Are these mollested dog years, or molesting human years? I'm trying to figure out how old this poor dog is...
Sheela 27th Feb 2020, 4:27 PM edit delete reply

Not me .. I bite back !
Rashala 26th Feb 2020, 4:00 AM edit delete reply

Rose.....for a freezer pop technopathy... you got style and sass. And to me that's a great thing....though next time drop it all in or on cents hands more impact I would think.
Oberoten 26th Feb 2020, 4:12 AM edit delete reply

Is Sheela in hiding after that outburst from TR? Also would those years be human years or dog-years? Yeesh... ;)
Ryu Santos 26th Feb 2020, 4:28 AM edit delete reply

Don't worry Sheela will show up. If the tuna doesn't work. I have BACON!🥓🥓🥓
Sheela 27th Feb 2020, 4:28 PM edit delete reply

Nom-nom-nom !! 😁

Don't worry about me, I'm just busy.
Ryu Santos 26th Feb 2020, 4:16 AM edit delete reply

Don't give them a quick summary. After 50 years of frustration, that data needs to be force fed to them byte by byte.
Evervigilant 26th Feb 2020, 6:38 AM edit delete reply
There is a book I read once as a kid called Sea of Glass by Barry B. Longyear. It is pretty intense reading.In it there is a super computer MAC III that is pretty much an AI trying to save humanity. Once when MAC has someone assassinated people ask why. The hard copy answer given by MAC fills a building the size of the congressional library. I think Rose may have come in a close second with her data on Aeneas but the Cent might top it with her rebuttal.
Oldarmourer 26th Feb 2020, 4:26 PM edit delete reply
I get the feeling that 'quick summary' is going to include more than a few dozen "and then..." 's
robnot 26th Feb 2020, 10:17 AM edit delete reply
hoo boy... just thought of this ..
Mama is pissed an on a warpath.!!
Mama (TR) tried for fifty years to save her son,, ' and watch while he slowly sank into madness.. because every "piece" of evidence was discounted an thrown out..
THEN by accident at the last minuet someone tries to kill her 50 years of work, when she was just so close.. BUTT by happen stance the kill turns into the cure for the quandary, an saves the day...
yeah,, i would be pissed...
megados 26th Feb 2020, 11:36 AM edit delete reply

You're right, Rose has every reason to be pissed. From her view, she was right all along, and her findings were ignored. CentComm's reaction doesn't fit though. She is still giving the impression that she didn't get information from Rose. So that's either one of two things: either Cent is lying about not getting information, (unlikely*), -or- information that was supposed to be getting to Cent wasn't getting there, or rejected out of hand. It makes me wonder why.

* Unlikely because not only would it be out if character for CentComm to outright lie when she has been straightforward up to this point, but also, she would know that everyone would see that it's a lie, one way or other, so it would be pointless.
Guest 27th Feb 2020, 2:39 AM edit delete reply
Folks need to keep in mind what Ambassador Grandma said about Cent's mentality. She has to believe that she is flawless in order to do her job.

If TR forgets that, and does not leave her space to save face, this will get ugly.
Oldarmourer 26th Feb 2020, 12:07 PM edit delete reply
Never, ever throw anything out that might be of the slightest bit of use...
When I retired, I had over 22,000 e-mails and folders upon folders of official policy 'clarifications' and 'interpreted' regulations saved that I did have to use more than once to solve my and other people's problems...
I hated to delete them that last took so long to print copies ;)
mjkj 26th Feb 2020, 12:27 PM edit delete reply

Wow, Rose is quite pi... erm, agitated =P

...and Ariel is looking awesome there...

@alt text: that was what I had expected happening here... (though she missed...) =P
Oldarmourer 26th Feb 2020, 1:44 PM edit delete reply
The art has evolved to the point where it's like special effects in movies are now...
You expect it to look seamless and lifelike and only notice it when there's a glitch.
It says volumes about what we've gotten used to seeing when it doesn't even register as astoundingly good but just 'the same as always'...Brava !!
And the writing, superb as always...a lot of phrases I've used myself, although not quite so polished ;)
I can almost hear TR in the voice of someone who assisted me a lot in dealing with incalcitrant bureaucrats who got their positions according not to what they could do, but what they would do...
Sheela 27th Feb 2020, 4:31 PM edit delete reply

Yeah, Ariel looks lovely. 😁

On a sidenote, I just noticed that she doesn't have glowy eyes .. though the fishtail might give her away as not-human.
KarToon12 26th Feb 2020, 4:14 PM edit delete reply

The way those books came down, that's like....a reaction straight out of an anime. XD
Oldarmourer 26th Feb 2020, 4:23 PM edit delete reply
TR IS from Japan...and does look the most 'anime-ish' of the lot...and from past hints, she does like her porn ;)
Sheela 27th Feb 2020, 4:32 PM edit delete reply

Well yeah, she has human urges, the AIS's do not.

Also, I bet she has watches The Matrix at least a million times.
Oldarmourer 26th Feb 2020, 5:06 PM edit delete reply
I think Athena summed up Centy's thought processes quite nicely here...
megados 26th Feb 2020, 7:02 PM edit delete reply

Yeah that's pretty much the gold standard description.
Oldarmourer 26th Feb 2020, 7:55 PM edit delete reply
Al that glitters is not always gold...Noctis also has a very good that has a non-emotional take on it.
megados 26th Feb 2020, 8:18 PM edit delete reply

Yes, and you may note that Cent and Noctis share some similarities, as you can compare and contrast in their conversation here. ;)
Thracecius 26th Feb 2020, 7:16 PM edit delete reply

Thanks for digging that up, Oldarmorer!

The page you linked with Athena's summary implies that either she is completely reading Centcomm wrong, or she's right, which opens up a huge pool of potential questions when she says things like, "choose to ignore". If that's foreshadowing, then it's nearly three years in the making and OUR Centcomm and Tokyo Rose are fantastically detailed writers who think so far in advance that it must be murder for them to dole this story out at this pace. Then again, maybe they're just that wicked? I'm not going to speculate. ;)

I've learned the hard way over the past few pages that I can't argue worth beans, certainly not in Centcomm's defense anyway, so I'm just going to give it up and go back to letting others do it instead. In a few pages this whole scene will likely be wrapped up and either Centcomm will be smacked down by all the AISs or she won't, but I'm not going to bet on anything at this point. I just hope I'm not wrong about Centcomm, because I won't enjoy feeling Tokyo Rose's gloat-a-thon. People who are never wrong, and rub your nose in it, really annoy me, regardless of any of their other qualities, and that's becoming my opinion of the character, which bothers me.
Oldarmourer 26th Feb 2020, 8:17 PM edit delete reply
One thing we all should remember in this story and the depth of the writing is that nothing is ever what it seems to be and things we assume to be a certain way will reverse themselves without warning and we'll feel stupid for not considering the opposite in the first place...Acantha may well be as crazy as Douchimus, just in a different way, Athena may have other interests at heart than she expresses, Centcomm may well be vindicated in the next few pages and TR...well, she has so many overlapping plots and plans going on that we never really know what she's actually thinking ;)

Centy seems to have left a few clues along the way...this may well be one to remember...among others
megados 26th Feb 2020, 8:43 PM edit delete reply

It's just my opinion, @Thracecius, but although Athena is being a bit cynical there, I think it's essentially correct, as is Noctis' assessment. Both are true. Assessing CentComm isn't hard if you realize that she's very pragmatic. If she can minimize negative impact she will, but won't let it interfere with important goals. She's used to being blamed, but she stands by her decisions, and she's not coy when explaining them.

That's why this page has me flummoxed. The conditions seem to be at odds.

At times there are points that we hash over, but I'd rather not think of it as an argument. Everyone has ideas, and yours are as good as anyone's. Yours may be different, but you would be providing an alternate perspective. You have brought up interesting points and I, for one, am interested in hearing them. I hope you don't think you can't share your ideas. :)
Oldarmourer 26th Feb 2020, 10:40 PM edit delete reply
given the way things change around in the story and then change back to the point that we have to just sitthere with wide eyes waiting to see what's going to happen next, just about any thought has a chance of being right and the most well reasoned ones are often way off track...I'm not used to being a step behind the story instead of a step ahead, that's what makes it so entertaining :)
DLKmusic 27th Feb 2020, 5:37 AM edit delete reply

Not good at arguing? Uhm... your thoughts are well reasoned, typically backed by facts as you know them, and respectfully submitted... Dude, you rock with your opinions, keep 'em coming!!!

And I have to agree... there's a missing piece to this puzzle, because this much info being ignored by cent seems... off...
Oldarmourer 27th Feb 2020, 1:24 PM edit delete reply
I'm thinking there are a few things going on that even TR missed..or didn't plan for
Centy is anything but forthcoming with information herself and she keeps a lot of things hidden...things that might be better off shared
Thracecius 27th Feb 2020, 6:20 PM edit delete reply

You folks are very kind, but really all I can use to "argue" with is my gut opinion that Centcomm is basically a force for good and rarely wrong, at least in the terms that Tokyo Rose seems to be implying. My judgement is likely also colored by my personal respect and fondness for the REAL Centcomm, but I *think* I'm keeping them separate in my mind, I'm just not certain. I can't trust my memory from page to page anymore it seems, let alone from the deep archives, and I don't take the time to research properly because I'm generally commenting while at work (shh, don't tell the boss), so it's not a good mix. Generally speaking though, I mainly enjoy seeing where the story goes and reading everyone else's comments because they have more substance; I especially like the "nerdy" and philosophical ones that go into details that aren't necessarily pertinent to the current page, but give me something interesting to think about. I admit that I generally glaze over when math equations get involved, but even those posts I'll at least skim. I just like learning new stuff and this place usually has something. :)

The Grrl Power comic comments sometimes have truly fantastic science, engineering, legal, military and history discussions, but it also has a lot more blather and political posturing nonsense, partly because the author/artist makes no effort to disguise his (left wing) views. Still, the comic is amusing and there is entertainment value in the comments, but it's a step or two down from Datachasers.
megados 27th Feb 2020, 10:45 PM edit delete reply

I can kind of understand what you're saying. I guess I'll start in the middle and work my way outward. :D

First, I want to say, that it's not a contest. We're just discussing the story, maybe think of it more like a book club discussing a book. There's no directive to have perfect memory or be right each and every time. No pressure. Don't put that on yourself. In this case, we're all kind of mystified by two conditions, seemingly at odds, so we try to figure it out. Simple as that.

As for CentComm, (the AIS) from the perspective of a New Troy citizen, I would say your basic assessment is true. CentComm is very protective, and is more or less responsible for their relatively high standard of living. In that regard, she is, as you say, a force for good. As far as never being wrong goes, it depends who you ask. If you ask Rose, she'd disagree. Athena's view comes from CentComm's propensity to disagree with humans at times in carrying out her directives, since Centcomm knows humans are generally more fallible than she is. If you ask the man on the street in NT, they would likely say she is rarely if ever wrong. Those in the wastes might have a range whose average might be "sometimes". Most average people in New Rome probably think she's evil, and now that Noctis is in NT, she's learning more about her, and as we speak, her impression is probably undergoing changes.

Centcomm the human Artist person, has never participated in a nuclear war, (that I know of). She's tolerant, generally kind, and helps out when someone doesn't understand. Basically a good person. (in a world that needs more of those) She'd be someone you'd want as a friend. Rose, the human Writer person, is a slightly spikier version of this. :)

In the end, of course, it's up to you. No one can tell you what to think. :D

In any event, Centcomm, the Artist, can, and just might, correct any errors in my dissertation. (or sic Rose on me again) (>J<)
Oldarmourer 28th Feb 2020, 12:39 AM edit delete reply

If we can believe what she says, Centy 'feels' (as much as she can experience emotions, anyway) more than a little remorse for having caused so much damage at the direction of her creators...

On the one hand she says she's terrified of being forced to have to 'conduct that orchestra of death' again... here

but on the other hand has no qualms whatsoever over 'glassing' Nova Roma or any other perceived threat that warrants a good glassing...too many times to list ;)

It seems that 'her' humans come first and she protects them at all costs...or is she just afraid that Calliope will find out just how much power she could wield if she knew she could ? even if others do ? here or was Centy being less than accurate with her 'team' ?

Can she in fact lie if she deems it necessary ? she already did when she told Dolly she was on a mission to save Lynn while both sabotaging her and handing her a spike loaded Black Angel to deliver.

Does she consider it lying if she sees it as serving the 'greater good' ?

If one of her 'simulations' determines that the best course of action is to lie about something, would she ?

The best part of this story is that nothing is black and white, the writers don't even use sneaky shades of grey....

DLKmusic 28th Feb 2020, 1:22 AM edit delete reply

@Thracecius: I personally think this is probably the best comment section for a web-comic I've ever seen, in part because it's well moderated (to prevent people from getting out of hand), and the commenters all respect each other, even when they disagree.

I like megados's interpretation. We are like a book club! with beer... and pizza... and...

Tom 27th Feb 2020, 12:30 AM edit delete reply
As per my previous email...
Briz 27th Feb 2020, 12:54 PM edit delete reply
you know I'm very surprised that Rose did not just drop it on Cent's head. It might have been the fastest and easiest way to get it through her thick calculating skull. By the way awesome job and can't wait for more.
Gilrandir 27th Feb 2020, 2:12 PM edit delete reply
I don't think Tokyo Rose could drop it on Centcomm's head -- I doubt this is a PvP zone. And Centcomm has not raised her flag.
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