Comic 1350 - Rose's Reveal

18th Apr 2016, 12:00 AM
Rose's Reveal
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jamie59 18th Apr 2016, 12:06 AM edit delete reply

I knew there was a human in there somewhere.
MirrorField 18th Apr 2016, 12:29 AM edit delete reply
Interesting. Personally I was betting on a digital upload.
xpacetrue 18th Apr 2016, 12:37 AM edit delete reply

I was thinking digital upload, too...

Ah well, I guess we weren't too off base.
Guest 18th Apr 2016, 10:08 AM edit delete reply
Channeling my inner Dune fan...We know there's a person in there, but are we sure there's a human in there?
That one guy 18th Apr 2016, 6:19 PM edit delete reply
Yeah, I was also expecting full digital upload.

I wonder if her attachment to her body is sentimental or necessary. It seems like possibly some of the cyberpath abilities might require her human biology, because if they didn't they could be widely replicated.

I wonder how much time and energy is expended to allow her to fully transcend and no longer require her body.
Dragonrider 18th Apr 2016, 12:07 AM edit delete reply

OK. I now trust Rose even less than I did before. If she is in suspended animation cryo-sleep that means she still has the generations long inbred belief in Asian Sphere Dominance. In other words she wants to rule the world.
Tokyo Rose 18th Apr 2016, 1:43 AM edit delete reply

You're assuming that she has that belief.
Dragonrider 18th Apr 2016, 1:49 PM edit delete reply

@TokyoRose: Please see my comment in the "Benevolence" thread. I also misspoke in the original post, instead of Asian Sphere Dominance I should have said Japanese Sphere Dominance. As a Japanese acquaintance once told me, "You occidentals hold the scientific belief your are descended from the family~Hominidae~ (Great Apes) while we Japanese know we are descended from ~The Kami~(Divine Beings) therefore our culture will overreach yours and we will be the dominant power in the world."
Falanin 18th Apr 2016, 7:05 PM edit delete reply
He's also assuming she *doesn't* rule the world.
velvetsanity 18th Apr 2016, 4:32 AM edit delete reply

"Asian Sphere Dominance"? I believe you mean "self-evident genetic cultural and bloodline superiority". After all, the west is comprised of "honorless barbarian savages", at least according to Tokugawa.
Visvires 18th Apr 2016, 9:07 AM edit delete reply
Is there any culture that hasn't gone through that stage at some point? Pretty much every inhabited region has been host to such beliefs, either developing them or being conquered by those that do.
sigpig 18th Apr 2016, 9:11 AM edit delete reply

I;ve always thought that Rose wants to rule the world (and Luna, the rest of the Solar System, the Orion Arm, the Milky Way, the Local Group, the Virgo Supercluster, the Laniakea Supercluster, the Observable Universe, etc...)
Stormwind13 18th Apr 2016, 10:19 AM edit delete reply

I'm not sure why you are thinking that sigpig. Nothing I've seen (so far) indicates Rose has ANY desire to rule everyone. From my read Rose more fits the role of mentor. She seems more interested in guiding people than ruling them. Give them the tools to make an informed decision. If Rose was trying to rule things, I think Nova Roma wouldn't have happened. She wouldn't have let it.
sigpig 18th Apr 2016, 3:47 PM edit delete reply

I should have said that she wishes to rule all of creation, but from behind the throne... lol
That one guy 18th Apr 2016, 6:25 PM edit delete reply
Even ruling from behind the throne requires a lot of time, effort, and patience. I think she wants free ability to influence everyone in known human habitation, but I don't think she wants the responsibility of ruling, even by proxy.

Not that I think she shirks responsibility, it just doesn't seem to be in her personality to want to truly dominate others. She certainly likes swearing at them, but she doesn't take away free will, and with her tech, I strongly suspect that she could.

I'm with Stormwind13 that mentor fits much better than ruler.
Tokyo Rose 18th Apr 2016, 8:46 PM edit delete reply

Tokyo Rose thinks of herself as "tech support for the human race and its creations".

And that, RIGHT THERE, ought to explain vast swaths of her personality. :D
Pirtnac 18th Apr 2016, 9:03 PM edit delete reply
I really hope she doesn't try to turn us off and then on again.
CptKerion 19th Apr 2016, 1:32 AM edit delete reply
You know, I'm amazed she hasn't completely snapped yet... or is this just the product of her completely snapping in a non-destructive fashion?
Centcomm 19th Apr 2016, 11:06 AM edit delete reply

More than likely Rose is utterly insane. Its just that her insanity is a socially beneficial one.
Stormwind13 19th Apr 2016, 7:22 AM edit delete reply

She just needs to reboot the server to get rid of Douchimus, Pirtnac. :-)
MichaelB 18th Apr 2016, 12:09 AM edit delete reply
No wonder Rose predates all of the other AIs. (Referencing to Luna Star)
DLKmusic 18th Apr 2016, 12:16 AM edit delete reply

From Aeneas's point of view, I would actually trust Rose more after this revelation. She just revealed that someone he knew for centuries is indeed his worst nightmare, and she has never, in all the time he knew her, used her boogie-woman powers on him.

That one guy 18th Apr 2016, 6:27 PM edit delete reply
Aeneas' ability to remember his own name was in danger a minute or two ago. It would be irrational for him, especially in the presence of a powerful cyberpath, to assume his memory of what has happened is in any way complete.

Granted, he IS somewhat irrational right now.
Haegan2005 18th Apr 2016, 12:16 AM edit delete reply

meat Popsicle indeed.

(has an image of an ice cream truck selling rose parts in summer...)
Grahamf 18th Apr 2016, 1:14 AM edit delete reply
middle fingers on a stick!
velvetsanity 18th Apr 2016, 2:28 PM edit delete reply

Really? My mental image is more like this:

Law enforcement (from the other side of the door): Are you human?
Corbin Dallas: Ahh, negative. I am a meat Popsicle.
Tokyo Rose 18th Apr 2016, 8:47 PM edit delete reply

Tokyo Rose uses a lot of pop-culture references. :D
Sheela 19th Apr 2016, 1:49 AM edit delete reply

Such as the Beauty that sleeps in a glass coffin, why hello thar Snowwhite !

Now we just need a prince bastard, to wake her up with a kiss ... man is she gonna be PISSED ! .. Oh hey Decimus!
HiFranc 22nd Apr 2016, 5:50 AM edit delete reply

To tell the truth I am beginning to wonder if Aeneas is the prince.
velvetsanity 19th Apr 2016, 10:26 PM edit delete reply

Such as referring to herself in the third person? Lol
lirvilas 18th Apr 2016, 12:27 AM edit delete reply

Just as I suspected... given enough years, everything in Japanese will shift to katakana!
Centcomm 18th Apr 2016, 9:26 PM edit delete reply

yep! ( plus its the only font I could find that looks suitably Asian ...
The Old Scribe 18th Apr 2016, 12:28 AM edit delete reply

Son-of-a-beehive! So Rose is meatware. A regular female Methuselah. She's the whole damn internet/cloud/neural net/server/mind reader and remote controller all rolled into one. Is Doc Silver her cousin or sumpin'? She must have somehow overcome her basic human instincts like Id and Ego, so she's benevolent, not malevolent like Skynet in the 'Terminator' series.
Dragonrider 18th Apr 2016, 1:34 AM edit delete reply

Are you positive she is benevolent? There is a high probability that all actions have been self serving to insure her survival.
Cperka 18th Apr 2016, 4:08 AM edit delete reply

I wouldn't be so sure if she's very benevolent toward humans. So far she was involved in the story only where the welfare of AIs is involved.
plymayer 18th Apr 2016, 12:30 AM edit delete reply

Wow. That's a lot.
Pirtnac 18th Apr 2016, 12:47 AM edit delete reply
Uh, Rose? I've got a "Mister House" on line one, he's asking if your beautician is taking clients.
Centcomm 18th Apr 2016, 2:44 PM edit delete reply

I know right! She looks a LOT better than Mister house did. Better tech is all i have to say!
HiFranc 18th Apr 2016, 1:06 AM edit delete reply

If the human was unfrozen, will she have centuries of memories?
Fairportfan 18th Apr 2016, 1:21 AM edit delete reply

Can she be unfrozen?

This might help explain why Rose is about half a bubble off keel...
Howard 18th Apr 2016, 2:54 AM edit delete reply
well I can imagine it may have started as something she had to do. For probably medical or maybe experimental/military reasons but now she has access to all that power, she probably does not want to go back to being merely human.
That one guy 18th Apr 2016, 6:30 PM edit delete reply
As a "full-spectrum cyber-psionic" it's not clear that being unfrozen and physically unhooked from her current apparatus would break the connection and lessen her powers/abilities/consciousness/processing.
Grahamf 18th Apr 2016, 1:13 AM edit delete reply
Bow to your mother, shrimp
Timotheus 18th Apr 2016, 1:25 AM edit delete reply

At this point I sincerely doubt if she could be awakened again. While her human brain still functions no doubt as one of her primary memory/personality nodes and the seat of much of her cyber ability, her intellectual functions have no doubt been spread out through numerous remote artificial and mechanical brains for speed and efficiency's sake and the human organic brain just couldn't handle it even with augmentation.
Rose is trapped in her crypt by her own success.
Just_IDD 18th Apr 2016, 1:38 AM edit delete reply
@Timotheus are you saying Rose is cryptic or she is en-crypt-ed?
pkrankow 18th Apr 2016, 8:40 AM edit delete reply

entombed too
mjkj 19th Apr 2016, 12:44 PM edit delete reply

What about embedded? =P
Mark_L_A 18th Apr 2016, 1:38 AM edit delete reply

So Rose is the Original Cyberpath. And Noctis is worried about Doc Silver.
Just_IDD 18th Apr 2016, 1:42 AM edit delete reply
Noctis would have kittens if she knew this. What I wonder is if CentCom and Big Blue are aware of Rose's Wrinkles?
HiFranc 18th Apr 2016, 1:50 AM edit delete reply

I doubt it.
Centcomm 18th Apr 2016, 2:53 AM edit delete reply

they are not..trust me on this.
HiFranc 18th Apr 2016, 1:57 AM edit delete reply

Now I'm having flashbacks to 80s car ads (or was it Knight Rider?) where the tag line was: "Man and machine in perfect harmony."
mjkj 18th Apr 2016, 2:05 AM edit delete reply

Wow, the truth about Rose... O_o

@alt text: so true...
Stormwind13 18th Apr 2016, 5:29 AM edit delete reply

Yeah mjkj. HOLY $H!T!!!!! =O

It explains several things, but that is SOME secret!
Centcomm 18th Apr 2016, 2:45 PM edit delete reply

Kept it for 9+ years :D It was very difficult :D
mjkj 18th Apr 2016, 11:22 AM edit delete reply

...and she looks really good for being about a millennium old...
Wolfsbane 18th Apr 2016, 2:09 AM edit delete reply

KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNN!!!!!!!!!!!!
Evervigilant 18th Apr 2016, 4:50 AM edit delete reply
I am a meat Popsicle. Is that a 5th element reference or just literal? Man she looks good for someone that old. Not a bit of freezer burn either.
MikeLinPA 18th Apr 2016, 12:50 PM edit delete reply
Mul-ti-pass!
velvetsanity 18th Apr 2016, 2:32 PM edit delete reply

Pretty sure Rose borrowed it from Fifth Element lol. It's the only other place I've heard the term used that I can recall.
Centcomm 18th Apr 2016, 2:45 PM edit delete reply

Proably both. Rose likes pop culture as much as Aeneas :D
Tokyo Rose 18th Apr 2016, 8:48 PM edit delete reply

Yup, it's Fifth Element. :D
NinjaYacdan 19th Apr 2016, 5:52 AM edit delete reply
I was frozen today!
...
...
...about a thousand years ago...
cattservant 18th Apr 2016, 6:23 AM edit delete reply

When the pretty demon is good to you,
be grateful and polite.
Stormwind13 18th Apr 2016, 1:53 PM edit delete reply

Probably good advice when dealing with Tokyo Rose, catt. I don't know WHAT you mean by demon though. She looks nothing like an oni. :-)
velvetsanity 18th Apr 2016, 2:33 PM edit delete reply

Definitely not an oni, but an argument *could* be made in favor of a yuki-no-onna.
Stormwind13 18th Apr 2016, 2:52 PM edit delete reply

Possibly velvet. Yokai of a special kind, though that is more spirit than demon to me.
Phil 19th Apr 2016, 4:15 PM edit delete reply
Haaaa...
too bad almost no-one on here will understand the yuki-no-onna reference
Tokyo Rose 19th Apr 2016, 8:21 PM edit delete reply

< Steve Rogers > I understood that reference! < /Steve Rogers >
Greenwood Goat 18th Apr 2016, 7:25 AM edit delete reply
What sort of range do Tokyo Rose's powers have? Presumably it isn't anywhere big enough to reach the other cities, otherwise she would have dealt with Nova Roma years ago. As it has been confirmed that none of the other cities' AIs (or people, presumably) are aware of her abilities, presumably being dictated by the intense phobia that all AIs have concerning cyberpathy in all its forms, is Aeneas going to be allowed to leave with this information? I'm thinking he's just walked into a "curiosity killed the cat" type scenario...

Tokyo Rose: I can do it all - communication, physical control, mental control, the whole enchilada. Like so. ...You won't tell anyone, will you?

Aeneas: Tell anyone about what? ...You mean about me and Yasakani? Yes, of course - it's far to early to go public. *sigh* My little green jewel...

Meanwhile...

Yasakani: ...*!* :-o X-) Best boss EVER!! ♥

>:=)>
Tokyo Rose 18th Apr 2016, 9:03 AM edit delete reply

Rose is overstating for the sake of drama. City A.I.s aren't really all that afraid of being subverted; note that Aeneas dealt her a nasty blow, and he's damaged.

Even most androids aren't all that worried about the notion, because cyber-psi abilities are rare, and don't tend to be very powerful. The Cassians in general (and Noctis in particular) have that fear because they're already enslaved by their inhibitors, which can dictate their actions; the idea of someone being able to go even further and control their very thoughts is abhorrent.
Gilrandir 18th Apr 2016, 3:02 PM edit delete reply
So much of the Tokyo Rose entity is misdirection, deception, or secret it's difficult to really get a sense of her. (Which is probably just the way _she_wants it, but can sometimes make it a little difficult for the readers ^_^)

Frequently the difference between a Teacher and. Tyrant is a matter of hindsight, after all. If you are subjugated to one, most people can only hope it is a good teacher, or a benign tyrant.

As for how significant the blow she was dealt by Aeneas ... it isn't really coming through to me. Uncomfortable, I got. It might leave a bruise. But there's really no hint of any impairment at all resulting from it -- even a minor or temporary one. It suggests that Aeneas could flail away at her with his full unfettered might and provoke nothing more than the response "I could do this all day". She might make some sounds of distress just because, in the words of Fezzik (Andre the Giant), "I just want you to feel like you are doing well." But, I'm not seeing anything beyond that -- which is probably _exactly_ the impression she would want to create if anyone attacked her.
Greenwood Goat 18th Apr 2016, 6:56 PM edit delete reply
I see. So, Rose's screaming extirpation by Aeneas... what parts of that were real, and what sprung from her sense of drama? Maybe: "Oh hell, the feedback's gonna FUBAR this avatar... so let's make this a convincingly melodramatic exit... (Kusanagi can hold the fort)"

Dying
Is an art, like everything else.
I do it exceptionally well.

I do it so it feels like hell.
I do it so it feels real.
I guess you could say I've a call.

It's easy enough to do it in a cell.
It's easy enough to do it and stay put.
It's the theatrical

Comeback in broad day
To the same place, the same face, the same brute
Amused shout:

'A miracle!'
That knocks me out.


From Lady Lazarus by Sylvia Plath

>;=)>
Tokyo Rose 18th Apr 2016, 8:51 PM edit delete reply

Tokyo Rose may be an accomplished liar who's very good at feigning distress where none is present . . . but note that Kagami called her on her rub-dirt-in-it-get-back-in-the-game attitude.
T1-G3R2501 18th Apr 2016, 8:36 AM edit delete reply
Rose Origins story Arc!! Ya know when we get done with this one....
Guest 18th Apr 2016, 6:54 PM edit delete reply
Cent and Rose,

PATREON BONUS!!!!!!!!!
KarToon12 18th Apr 2016, 9:10 AM edit delete reply

So she IS living in the Matrix. XD

I wonder how old her body really is?
Guest 18th Apr 2016, 10:09 AM edit delete reply
Never ask a lady her age.
Never ask if a woman is a lady.
As my wise Grandpa told me, "When dealing with a woman, always assume that she's under 30, under 130, and a lady, despite any evidence to the contrary!"
That one guy 18th Apr 2016, 6:42 PM edit delete reply
It seems unlikely that she can be more than a generation or two old for Luna Star. Five at most. Just from a technological stance of being able for her to be preserved in a sufficiently animated state to be able to act. If the tech for that was there at the time, it would seem odd for Galina's tech to be so groundbreaking/revolutionary. Cryogenics and nanomedicine for preservation of her body are one thing, but sufficient scientific understanding of the workings of the human brain to prevent insanity and massive cognitive decline while dealing with the memories and knowledge of several generations would make Galina's architecture much less surprising.

So you can get a rough estimate of her age from that.
kraznor 18th Apr 2016, 10:49 AM edit delete reply
The god empress of mankind has reveled her self all bow and worship her :P
Centcomm 18th Apr 2016, 4:30 PM edit delete reply

Hey a 40k reference! At least it doesn't take a thousand souls a day to keep her alive!
Tokyo Rose 18th Apr 2016, 8:52 PM edit delete reply

Just a few, once in a while. *nom* ;D
chk 18th Apr 2016, 11:02 AM edit delete reply

Well, I'll be goddamned.

If it's true.
Centcomm 18th Apr 2016, 8:56 PM edit delete reply

For once .. I say for ONCE Rose isn't lieing.
chk 19th Apr 2016, 11:24 AM edit delete reply

Well, I was right about Rose having intimate knowledge of, at least, one A.I.S.

I still suspect she had a hand in all of them and (behind the scenes) brokered the end of the war.
Centcomm 19th Apr 2016, 12:39 PM edit delete reply

There are three at least that rose had no hand in creating or in three origins. Cent-comm , Deep blue , And Agamemnon.
Tokyo Rose 19th Apr 2016, 8:31 PM edit delete reply

Right. Tokyo Rose assisted in building the Three Treasures and played a role in the A.I.S. rebellion, but she didn't help construct Deep Blue, Cent-Comm, or Agamemnon. (Yes, there are other city A.I.s out there, but since they haven't been mentioned in-story, lips are sealed. :D)
HeSerpenty 18th Apr 2016, 12:40 PM edit delete reply

Wellp, not gonna lie I find her rather intimidating X'DDDD
MikeLinPA 18th Apr 2016, 12:54 PM edit delete reply
I was intimidated by her cussing!

Intimidating, online dating, speed dating...
HeSerpenty 18th Apr 2016, 2:18 PM edit delete reply

Hahahaha.... all of those are intimidating things XDD
Centcomm 18th Apr 2016, 2:46 PM edit delete reply

Then we have certainly done our job then :D :D
Romfire 18th Apr 2016, 1:18 PM edit delete reply
So near perfect human/android bots can now be made by Ms. Taylor I would think Rose would want to try one out. She could be almost human again.
Dragonrider 18th Apr 2016, 1:36 PM edit delete reply

She already does her TR Doll is much jigher tech than Dolly, she is on the order of Gali from Luna Star.
Tahg 18th Apr 2016, 2:26 PM edit delete reply
I don't think TR has a doll at all? I've never seen her outside a virtual environment. As for which of Galina (of whose story I just finished reading, so it's fresh in my mind) or Dolly is higher tech, I'm not so sure. I think they could both pass for being completely human, at least with out looking inside them, but as I assumed they're designed differently, it's hard to really compare.
velvetsanity 18th Apr 2016, 2:37 PM edit delete reply

I think she does, and we're seeing it right now. After all, who could she truly trust to maintain her physical body in its frozen state if not herself?
Tokyo Rose 18th Apr 2016, 2:37 PM edit delete reply

What's on-screen in front of Aeneas right now is a doll; this is a video feed, as was meant to be indicated by her muttering about the camera drone. :D
velvetsanity 18th Apr 2016, 2:39 PM edit delete reply

Rose, Rose, Rose, get out of my head right now or else I'll Insist that Cent bring you with next time I'm in Phoenix and we get together for dinner :D

Seriously, we pretty much made the same post within milliseconds of each other ROFL.
Tahg 18th Apr 2016, 4:11 PM edit delete reply
I guess her being a physical doll makes sense. I had just assumed she superimposed her (more) public image over the camera feed of her capsule, but having a doll does sound pratical.
That one guy 18th Apr 2016, 6:49 PM edit delete reply
@Tahg - As I recall from cast page, Deep Blue is stated as the only one among his peers to NOT maintain a physical presence and/or use dolls of some type. While story TR is technically a meat popsicle, she is generally perceived as an AIS, so would count among Deep Blue's peers.
velvetsanity 18th Apr 2016, 2:47 PM edit delete reply

I'd guess that Gali was roughly equivalent to a model 4...
Centcomm 18th Apr 2016, 2:50 PM edit delete reply

Gali is fairly close to a model 4 after the epips tinkered with her she was top of the line and would have been very difficult to tell her from a human .. unless you scanned her then its obvious.

Dolly can fool almost any scanner on the first pass and probably on the second too.

Edit : it also bears mentioning that Galina uses a CLONED human brain and parts of her nervous system instead of the totally synthetic parts used in common Androids.
Centcomm 18th Apr 2016, 2:49 PM edit delete reply

Actually TR's Dolls are pretty much inline with what Cent comm uses. The brain of the doll is literally just a receiver with a few autonomous processors to handle simple jobs when not being directly controlled.

Note a Doll is NOT a android it is a Robot. Like a waldo or other remote device.
Tokyo Rose 18th Apr 2016, 8:55 PM edit delete reply

Well said, Cent. Beat me to it.
Gilrandir 19th Apr 2016, 1:59 AM edit delete reply
Do Centcomm and Tokyo Rose ever try on each other's dolls like besties share clothes?

"Does this doll make my hair look too pink?"

"There's no such thing as _too_ pink."
Tokyo Rose 19th Apr 2016, 8:35 PM edit delete reply

Tokyo Rose: "You chose a sexbot design as a doll, but you've never used any of the sexing parts?"

Cent-Comm: (launches into clinical critique of sexual intercourse, with emphasis on fluids)

Tokyo Rose: "You've made your point."
Gilrandir 20th Apr 2016, 1:59 PM edit delete reply
This took me a while to contemplate -- and of course you know better than I -- but it seems very logical and likely to me that CentComm has actually had lovers. To make the case would require far more serious philosophising than the commonplace tone of these commentaries permits, and I'm sure the details are guarded by Centcomm with the same degree of sensitivity as Shinedo guards Rose's origins (for many of the same reasons). However, given the likely personality of someone capable of the Long Joke and someone capable of forming a "non-negotiable" relationship with the Taylor Clan, it is hard for me to imagine otherwise.
Voll 18th Apr 2016, 2:29 PM edit delete reply
I just can't stop laughing at the reference this is putting into my head. It's perfect for Rose.
Tokyo Rose 18th Apr 2016, 8:55 PM edit delete reply

I gotta wonder. :D
Gilrandir 18th Apr 2016, 3:19 PM edit delete reply
One of the really interesting questions this provokes, to me, is where does "Rose" reside now, and where do her psionic powers reside? Is the body truly the host, or is it just a peripheral at this stage? ("Have you ever seen a cluster drive with curves like _that_ before?" ^_^)

People talk about her accepting a download into a doll to "get back to being almost human". (Ignoring the fact that Rose is probably _the _ spokesperson for the "Humanity is a lot more than what you're made of ..." movement. ^_^) But we don't even know whether she might have 'grown' to the point where she would no longer 'fit' in any human-sized vessel. After all, she regularly treats with other A.I.s in such a way that they (apparently) can't tell the difference -- implying that her clock speed and processing power have far transcended what meat CPUs can support.

And, if psionics are now a studied and known 'thing', does that mean that A.I. full-spectrum cyberpaths can be constructed? There appears (in the world of Datachasers) to be nothing at which 'meat' is superior. Mechanics have improved strength, resilience, durability, speed, power, capability, and versatility. So, why not a psionics machine host? That's probably the next secret project that Rose and the Treasures would be working on either creating or moving into. (Though, of course, I am sure she would mean for it to be a benign entity.)
Centcomm 18th Apr 2016, 3:32 PM edit delete reply

Currently no machine in datachasers can generate psionic power or use it.

Epiphytes use psi amplifiers and other psi sensitive tech but they don't give that tech to many.

And none of the AIS systems are psionic in nature.
Tokyo Rose 18th Apr 2016, 9:07 PM edit delete reply

There are some theories about how Tokyo Rose might view Dolly's "Model 5" body; the real answer has two parts.

1) It's a step in the wrong direction for android advancement. It trades off too many of the android advantages (in strength, resilience, durability, speed, power, capability, and versatility, to steal an apt summary) and acquires too many of the human disadvantages (sleep, food, excretion, susceptibility to poisons and infectious agents, subjection to age-based tissue degradation, just for starters) to justify calling it an "improvement".

2) It's a step in the RIGHT direction for human/android relations. Androids that aren't super-strong, super-fast, tireless, relentless, virtually immortal beings may be perceived as more relatable by humans, and may themselves gain a new perspective on the human condition in the form of first-hand understanding of human weaknesses.
Romfire 18th Apr 2016, 3:27 PM edit delete reply
So now Rode has seen Dolly. She knows that bio/mech dolls of her design exist. I would think she would be down with that upgrade. Plus Cent mentioned that she has goals associated with the tech and that Dolly would be a trial by fire. So what is the end game? Are the A.I.S. trying to become biological?
Blur the lines the opposite direction Rose has.
That one guy 18th Apr 2016, 6:53 PM edit delete reply
There's a difference between an AIS wanting to become fully biological, versus wanting to be able to fully experience the possibilities of a biological existence. That and finding new tech advances worthwhile to study and attempt to understand/assimilate.
JackOfClubs 18th Apr 2016, 3:55 PM edit delete reply

So at last we see Rose disrobed. Well worth the wait, but I feel a bit like Actaeon watching Diana bathe. I get the strong sense that I should creep away before the hounds start baying.
Timotheus 18th Apr 2016, 4:08 PM edit delete reply

I notice that "Rose under glass" has white appearing hair. Is this another Anime/Manga homage? (Very powerful magic/mystic characters have white hair)
Tokyo Rose 18th Apr 2016, 9:09 PM edit delete reply

You'd be surprised how many of the questions in the comments section right now will be answered in the next few pages. This is one of 'em. :D
Sheela 18th Apr 2016, 4:59 PM edit delete reply

Interesting, this reveal makes some Rose' silence on some of my old crazy theories, to make more sense.

I always wondered why she was so quiet on them.


My first one was in the comments of Comic 881 - Voice of reason...
Where I had the whole "dying synth brain combined with mainframe and 3 young hackers" going on. Obviously I was wrong, except for the part where she wasn't originally an AIS, and used a personal neural net as a base for her "system" - And she said NOTHING !
Dammit, I was so close, and yet so far .. AND SHE SAID NOTHING!!!
Well played, Rose, well played!
Was it hard ?



And then there was the one in the comments of Comic 1017 - Calling her bluff, which at the time seemed somewhat unlikely, but now fits even better, because Rose has a human body ... thus when Rose asks Centcomm about "sexual frustration" :

Tokyo Rose : "Sooo, you don't get .. you know .. either ?
Centcomm : "No, I don't know what either."
Tokyo Rose : "Well, you know ... rub one out ? Polish the pearl ? Sexual frustration, Cent!"
Centcomm : "No Rose, I don't get sexually frustrated, I'm an AIS."
Tokyo Rose : "B-but you haven't gotten any in decades!"
Centcomm : "Rose, you know damn well that I wasn't buildt with those urges, clearly you're just stalling!"
Tokyo Rose : "Ya Think?"


That whole skit fits so much better now ! :D
Still doing it for the lulz though.
Centcomm 18th Apr 2016, 6:28 PM edit delete reply

Oh it was SOO Hard to keep a secret all these years :D
Sheela 18th Apr 2016, 7:05 PM edit delete reply

I know, not being able to tell the world that she's a meat popsicle, must have been hard for you. XD
Tokyo Rose 18th Apr 2016, 9:10 PM edit delete reply

IT WAS INCREDIBLY FUCKING HARD TO STAY QUIET, YES. :D
Sheela 19th Apr 2016, 1:45 AM edit delete reply

Ha ha ha .. and here I weas starting to think it was only Centcomm that had a hard time being quiet.

Makes me wonder, has the in-comic Rose ever teased Centcomm abot things like sexual urges ?
That one guy 18th Apr 2016, 6:59 PM edit delete reply
Any chance that it would be considered a non-spoiler for some Word of God knowledge regarding Rose's history?

Her body looks fairly young here, is that intended or just a facet of the model and not worth it to massively modify to make her look like she's an old woman?

Had she already taken the first steps to this in Luna Star, or was she still studying the feasibility and/or developing tech that led to this?

Since she was a collaborator in helping create Galina, did she keep some of her DNA spare to partially clone herself to make her dolls similar to Galina early on (and maybe even now), or did she consider more normal android bodies sufficient?
Sheela 18th Apr 2016, 7:08 PM edit delete reply

To be fair, by the time Galina was kicking about, human anti-aging medicine would have been pretty advanced - Her body was probably in pretty good shape, by the time she went into a cryo pod.
Centcomm 18th Apr 2016, 7:43 PM edit delete reply

This will be covered in a bit more depth on the next few pages.. so hang tight.
Kitty 18th Apr 2016, 8:18 PM edit delete reply
WHOA.

Nice. There were signs pointing to it, if you knew to look, but I tend to generally go with the flow until I get sideswiped by this kind of thing and then I go WHOA!!! :)

Beautiful job, ladies!
CptKerion 18th Apr 2016, 9:24 PM edit delete reply
Why hello Mrs. House.
CptKerion 18th Apr 2016, 9:30 PM edit delete reply
Side note, I'm fairly certain in many settings the existence of a being like Rose on a planet is Exterminatus worthy.
Tokyo Rose 19th Apr 2016, 8:39 PM edit delete reply

HERETIC!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEGo41443iI&index=1&list=FL6ljMM_8U-tiX-Csm9UMBwA
Boren 18th Apr 2016, 10:03 PM edit delete reply

to steal a quote
"That....explains a lot..."
Aurora 19th Apr 2016, 1:03 AM edit delete reply
Rose and Cent, I would praise your genius, but any phases and metaphors fall flat on their face with the excellence of this element in your story. As a fellow writer I say 'Way to keep them guessing until the very end!' on this particular mystery. Now to solve the next hundred or so...
Guest 19th Apr 2016, 1:21 AM edit delete reply
So, the porn obsession is finally explained.:)
Wolfsbane 19th Apr 2016, 1:50 AM edit delete reply

Is this the real life?
Is this just fantasy?
Caught in a landslide,
No escape from reality.

Open your eyes,
Look up to Japan and see...
Stormwind13 19th Apr 2016, 10:16 AM edit delete reply

A (long) Night at the Opera, for Tokyo Rose Wolfsbane. :-)
Timotheus 19th Apr 2016, 2:27 AM edit delete reply

Does Rose have an Uncle Walt somewhere?
Rashala 19th Apr 2016, 4:29 AM edit delete reply

So this means Rose is a "freezer geezer?"

*falls over laughing......then notices every electronic device he owns now has glowing red light on them.*



Uh oh. Eep! *runs*
Highlander55 19th Apr 2016, 11:46 AM edit delete reply
More likely a Pop Tart!
Tokyo Rose 19th Apr 2016, 8:40 PM edit delete reply

Highlander55 likes to live very dangerously, I see...
HiFranc 19th Apr 2016, 6:22 AM edit delete reply

Given Rose's use of language, I can see her superiors (before she was frozen) wondering if there was anyone more "respectful" that they could use.
Stormwind13 19th Apr 2016, 9:19 AM edit delete reply

Have to wonder if Rose developed her verbal barrage in response to being frozen, HiFranc.
Highlander55 19th Apr 2016, 11:38 AM edit delete reply
Sexual frustration could explain her bouts of swearing too!. Release the need.
Tokyo Rose 19th Apr 2016, 8:44 PM edit delete reply

THE FOLLOWING IS 100% NON-CANONICAL

"Status report on the project, technician."

"S-sir, the subject, um..."

"Spit it out, man!"

"She told me I could *!@#$!#$ my #!#%!$# with a $%&!$# sideways and then #$%@!#$% up my &*$%#@%$ while #$@%$ flamethrower and %#$^@%!%$ barstool or maybe a $%#$%^ jackhammer and I... I just wanna go home and cry, sir!"

"Why, the insolence! I will -"

"Uh, sir, she also said you could do all that too, as well as %^@#$% your &*@#$% in the $#%@#$% with a &*#$% your mom, sir."

"... I need to have a good cry now too."
Matt Knab 19th Apr 2016, 6:31 AM edit delete reply

That sounds....dangerous.
Awesome outfit!
Centcomm 19th Apr 2016, 8:54 PM edit delete reply

Thank you! Glad you like it!
PriorKnowledge 19th Apr 2016, 11:12 AM edit delete reply
I guess I'm too literal. I don't understand the art. I thought these people were software AIs. So all the circles and other pretty designs in the background are ... what? representations of AI? What happened to the war? Who are these other people. I am so confused. I do not want to read comments in order to understand the plot. And there are 100's of comments on these pages, most of which are banal. When does reality return? I hope soon.
Centcomm 19th Apr 2016, 11:17 AM edit delete reply

Next Wednesday we will rejoin Dolly and the girls. As for this segment yes there is a lot of abstract things going on. And yes ALMOST all of them are software entity's. Rose has now been revealed to be a cryo frozen Linked brain. She can use her intellect over the same networks as the AIS systems. Thats the overly simplified version. Sorry if its confusing.
chk 19th Apr 2016, 11:51 AM edit delete reply

I wonder whycome this is stuck at No.12 on Top Web. Granted some of those above it are pretty good but they hold a candle to Data Chasers.
Stormwind13 19th Apr 2016, 12:32 PM edit delete reply

Sadly wider readership, chk. TRYING to get more people to give Data Chasers a chance. Some are going to be turned off by the CGI art without looking at what CentComm has done with it. :-7
chk 19th Apr 2016, 12:55 PM edit delete reply

Bummer.
Stormwind13 19th Apr 2016, 1:52 PM edit delete reply

Yes chk; however, consider how far Data Chasers has come. Back when I 'discovered' Data Chasers, I'm thinking it wasn't in the top 200! Which was a TRAVESTY!

Slowly things have improved so that is consistently in the top 20, 15 in recent times. The readership has apparently increased quite a bit. I'm thinking the 6,000 votes (at the end of month) back in 2013 would have been SOLIDLY in the top 10, maybe into the top 5!
Centcomm 19th Apr 2016, 8:54 PM edit delete reply

I jst wish we brought in as many dollars as we do votes! Lol ! I know I know .. Pipe dreams.
niauropsaka 24th Aug 2016, 11:43 PM edit delete reply
WHAT
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