Comic 1467 - Go For Hop

24th Feb 2017, 12:00 AM
Go For Hop
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jamie59 24th Feb 2017, 12:13 AM edit delete reply

245% -300% I can understand a 20% -30% safety margin but 200% WTF!
Stormwind13 24th Feb 2017, 12:24 AM edit delete reply

A lot of craft have a lot of reserve, jamie; however, using that reserve will reduce the life of the engine drastically. I've never seen someone push the engine THAT much though. I wonder if Ada will be in glider mode when she lands in New Troy!
megados 24th Feb 2017, 12:30 AM edit delete reply

I don't think she will keep that power level, once they reach terminal velocity. I think it is just for acceleration, and increasing altitude.
robnot 24th Feb 2017, 2:23 AM edit delete reply
only one uses that reserve ,

TOP FUEL ACCELERATION PUT INTO PERSPECTIVE

* One Top Fuel dragster 500 cubic-inch Hemi engine makes more horsepower (8,000 HP) than the first 4 rows at the Daytona 500.

* Under full throttle, a dragster engine consumes 11.2 gallons of nitro methane per second; a fully loaded 747 consumes jet fuel at the same rate with 25% less energy being produced.

* A stock Dodge Hemi V8 engine cannot produce enough power to merely drive the dragster's supercharger.

* With 3000 CFM of air being rammed in by the supercharger on overdrive, the fuel mixture is compressed into a near-solid form before ignition. Cylinders run on the verge of hydraulic lock at full throttle.

* At the stoichiometric 1.7:1 air/fuel mixture for nitro methane the flame front temperature measures 7050 degrees F.

* Nitromethane burns yellow. The spectacular white flame seen above the stacks at night is raw burning hydrogen, dissociated from atmospheric water vapor by the searing exhaust gases.

* Dual magnetos supply 44 amps to each spark plug.
This is the output of an arc welder in each cylinder.

* Spark plug electrodes are totally consumed during a pass. After 1/2 way, the engine is dieseling from compression plus the glow of exhaust valves at 1400 degrees F. The engine can only be shut down by cutting the fuel flow.

* If spark momentarily fails early in the run, unburned nitro builds up in the affected cylinders and then explodes with sufficient force to blow cylinder heads off the block in pieces or split the block in half.

* Dragsters reach over 300 MPH before you have completed reading this sentence.

* In order to exceed 300 MPH in 4.5 seconds, dragsters must accelerate an average of over 4 G's. In order to reach 200 MPH well before half-track, the launch acce leration approaches 8 G's.

* Top Fuel engines turn approximately 540 revolutions from light to light!

* Including the burnout, the engine must only survive 900 revolutions under load.

* The redline is actually quite high at 9500 RPM.

* THE BOTTOM LINE: Assuming all the equipment is paid off, the crew worked for free, & for once, NOTHING BLOWS UP, each run costs an estimated $1,000 per second.

0 to 100 MPH in .8 seconds (the first 60 feet of the run)
0 to 200 MPH in 2.2 seconds (the first 350 feet of the run)
6 g-forces at the starting line (nothing accelerates faster on land)
6 negative g-forces upon deployment of twin ‘chutes at 300 MPH An NHRA Top Fuel Dragster accelerates quicker than any other land vehicle on earth . . quicker than a jet fighter plane . . . quicker than the space shuttle.

The current Top Fuel dragster elapsed time record is 4.420 seconds for the quarter-mile (2004, Doug Kalitta). The top speed record is 337.58 MPH as measured over the last 66' of the run (2005, Tony Schumacher).

Putting this all into perspective:

You are driving the average $140,000 Lingenfelter twin-turbo powered Corvette Z06. Over a mile up the road, a Top Fuel dragster is staged & ready to launch down a quarter-mile strip as you pass. You have the advantage of a flying start. You run the 'Vette hard up through the gears and blast across the starting line & pass the dragster at an honest 200 MPH. The 'tree' goes green for both of you at that moment.

The dragster launches & starts after you. You keep your foot down hard, but you hear an incredibly brutal whine that sears your eardrums & within 3 seconds the dragster catches & passes you.
He beats you to the finish line, a quarter-mile away from where you just passed him. Think about it - from a standing start, the dragster had spotted you 200 MPH & not only cau ght, but nearly blasted you off the road when he passed you within a mere 1320 foot long race!

That's acceleration!

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Greenwood Goat 24th Feb 2017, 6:40 AM edit delete reply
That's insane!! All those US/imperial measures! Let's do some conversions:

Right, that's 8.2 litre engine capacity... 1415 litres of air per second intake... 42 litres of fuel per second (or 9.3 regular imperial gallons - US fluid gallons are different)... 6 megawatts of power developed... combustion front temperature 3900°C... exhaust valve temperature 760°C (bright red glow)... so amazing... so divorced from everyday use... like a high fashion show, only automotive! >:=)>
MikeLinPA 24th Feb 2017, 8:07 AM edit delete reply
What a waste
Morituri 24th Feb 2017, 6:30 PM edit delete reply
And those engines? Those Engines last one race. Maybe two if the owner is on the cheap but they will never turn in that performance again.

245% capacity indeed. 245% means Kyle has done some very rude things to the mechanical bits of his vehicle in order to even get it to do that, and it's probably destroying itself rather quickly.
Fairportfan 24th Feb 2017, 10:17 AM edit delete reply

How the hell do you achieve that sort of acceleration using only tire friction?
All the Pickles 24th Feb 2017, 12:33 PM edit delete reply

By using large tires with low pressure for a large contact patch, and very soft and sticky rubber for better grip in that patch. Dragsters are also very long with the drive wheels at the extreme rear, so at launch the extreme torque is using all the weight and inertia of the car to push the wheels into the ground. Fortunately they normally accelerate fast enough to start generating downforce on the spoilers before the front end can lift off the ground and cause a loss of control.
robnot 24th Feb 2017, 2:30 PM edit delete reply
and they also screw the tires to the rim..
so the tires don't spin off the rims.
also the burn out is to get the tires really sticky..
Centcomm 24th Feb 2017, 12:36 AM edit delete reply

Most craft use mass reduction tech. and if a engine can do say 100% once the mass has been reduced the thrust remains constant. SO shes doing .. Over 100% the math is math. Sorry.
it makes no sense. maybe?
megados 24th Feb 2017, 12:42 AM edit delete reply

Okay, if I understand correctly, then the mass reduction is going to augment engine output. Does that factor into the 300% or add to it?
All the Pickles 24th Feb 2017, 12:47 AM edit delete reply

The way I understand it the percentage is basically thrust to mass ratio, so it can be increased by either increasing thrust or decreasing mass.
megados 24th Feb 2017, 12:53 AM edit delete reply

Okay, so the 300% is the additive effect of both the reduction of mass and engine performance. So it's 300% craft overall performance? It makes sense then.
Centcomm 24th Feb 2017, 1:02 AM edit delete reply

yes Mega you got it. and she is FLOORING it.
megados 24th Feb 2017, 8:23 AM edit delete reply

Thanks, Cent. Then as I do the math, if the engine is at 100%, a mass reduction factor of 3 would get you to 300%. If you push the engine past max., you need less mass reduction. Again, it makes sense. Then yeah, to get that, she's running the engine hard, and heating up the mass reduction field emitters, or whatever that is called.

The math doesn't get any more difficult than that, unless you're the one designing the engine or the mass field generator!
Centcomm 24th Feb 2017, 11:03 AM edit delete reply

Yes Mega excellent! you win a gold star!

When Kyle is flying it because hes hunman and does not have a pilot link like Ada does nor does he have her reflexes the craft gets more 'jittery' and harder to control like a magnet on another magnet or similar. also the engine is normally never used above 50 percent. and mass reduction is normally to zero. thats far more controllable for a computer or a human pilot. Ada used a override to "unlock" the governors on the engines and mass field generators. allowing her to pop everything to max. This causes thermal retention though and can be dangerous worst case the ship pops in a very spectacular explosion. as everything goes haywire.

Better example is a drop of water on a very very hot surface before it vaporizes.
megados 24th Feb 2017, 11:47 AM edit delete reply

Thank you kindly! :-D
*quickly runs and frames gold star*
I think your magnet analogy describes it pretty well. You deserve have a gold star too for that. As you push opposing magnets together with more force, it gets harder to keep them stable, so you would need a better pilot, and to the extreme, a link like Ada's to keep the field stabilized, and to keep from superheating. Again, makes sense.
Just_IDD 24th Feb 2017, 12:03 PM edit delete reply
The magnet analogy works for single magnets however there are now companies that make designer magnets that have some really wild properties like repulsing and attracting within a certain range. And also rotationally positioned locks. I'll see if I can dig up the video a little later when I'm at my computer.
megados 24th Feb 2017, 12:43 PM edit delete reply

I understand that there are many custom magnet field configurations, but for the anti-grav analogy, I think the simple single magnets work best to describe the effect. I will try to briefly explain my reasoning. The theory of gravity holds that its effect is caused by a warping of space. The classic model is an object of mass placed on a rubber membrane, causing a distortion curving downward toward the center of mass. It is believed that gravity acts on space in this manner. If your mass is a singularity, you would have a black hole. We don't have to be that extreme. If you describe gravity as a well, then the inverse of the algorithm, or antigravity, would be described as a peak. That leads me to believe that an anti-grav system would consist of a peak that you're balanced on and an induced inverse well (peak) beneath it, and that the single opposing magnet pair gives a close approximation of that. It's just my opinion, of course, but I agree with Cent's analogy.
Speedy Marsh 8th Apr 2017, 8:45 PM edit delete reply
I bet Ada could correct a motorcycle that's wobbling out of control, preparing to launch its rider into a YouTube fail video.
robnot 24th Feb 2017, 2:06 AM edit delete reply
sooo? we are using 2 formulas,, E = mc 2 and tl = mc^2 ,, the second is Tesla's ..
which "basically " says .. with no mass ( anti-gravity ) the more Energy used the faster you go , but with % is exponential damage to engine..
Centcomm 24th Feb 2017, 2:34 AM edit delete reply

i .. think? Cringes from the math.
chk 24th Feb 2017, 12:16 PM edit delete reply

I think it's a well written adventure story. Not a science textbook.
Centcomm 24th Feb 2017, 2:27 PM edit delete reply

HUGS CHK! yay! thank you!
megados 24th Feb 2017, 2:32 PM edit delete reply

You're right chk, I'll shut up about it. :-)
robnot 24th Feb 2017, 2:36 PM edit delete reply
oh yes .. well written story,,, but then you have us science nerds, who try to make it fit..
Centcomm 24th Feb 2017, 7:33 PM edit delete reply

this is not a bad thing Rob!
megados 24th Feb 2017, 10:17 PM edit delete reply

Hey, I described it without any of the math! Just for you. LOL :-)

Centcomm 25th Feb 2017, 10:26 PM edit delete reply

yes you did! HUGS Mega! thank you!
Timotheus 25th Feb 2017, 11:48 PM edit delete reply

Just as a final comment, it has always been my opinion that by definition 100% means all that is available and the scale represents what portion is being used. Whenever a figure of over 100% appears, it's because someone has misrepresented the value of 100% to some lesser value for enhancement purposes (We gave 200%). The percent scale is purely theoretical and by definition cannot exceed 100% except by intentional misuse.
Sheela 26th Feb 2017, 2:01 AM edit delete reply

That of course depends on what your limit is.
If I go out on a regular highway in the nearby area, the speed limit is only 100kph, which would be considered 100% of maximum speed.
But your regular executive German saloon car, will easily do 250kph all day long.
And if you removed their limiters, perhaps even 300kph for a while, until the tires wear out and blow.

There's your 300% in real life.
antrik 28th Feb 2017, 11:11 AM edit delete reply
Nah, a percentage is fundamentally just a convenient method of writing a fraction -- it is entirely agnostic to what you define as "1" (= 100/100 = 100%). It's perfectly reasonable in many settings to define 100% as the maximum for *normal* operation, and using values above that when exceeding safety limits -- especially in cases where there is actually no clear upper bound.

A reciprocating internal combustion engine for example doesn't really have a clear upper bound I think on how many RPM it can do -- it will just blow up faster the higher you go above the safe limit... I'm pretty sure we are seeing something similar at play here.
megados 26th Feb 2017, 8:49 AM edit delete reply

Aww, Cent . . . !
*smiles, blushes, faints*
Combat Medic Z 26th Feb 2017, 6:57 PM edit delete reply

Or you can think of the Never Exceed Speed of an aircraft, that would be 100% as you'd never fly faster than that. Yet you could exceed that 100% if you don't mind tearing the wings off or suffering some other catastrophic failure.

In any case Ada strikes me as quite competent, and she wouldn't put Acantha in unnecessary danger, so I'm pretty confident that she knows what she's doing.
Centcomm 26th Feb 2017, 8:17 PM edit delete reply

Throws bucket of ice water on Mega..

" What.. I cant let down my mask of indiffrence and evil " exits stage right.
megados 26th Feb 2017, 9:13 PM edit delete reply

ACK . . Kaff Kaff *sputter* "Wha- . . ? Why am I on the floor?"

*stands up * "How did I get soaked?" *wrings out shirt*

"I just had the weirdest dream . . ." *looks around* "Nah, couldn't be . . ."

*shaking head, goes to change clothes*
Sheela 27th Feb 2017, 10:33 AM edit delete reply

Dammit Cent, haven't I told you that you're supposed to freeze that water before throwing it at people ?

... oh, I haven't ?
Well dang.
DanD 4th Jan 2019, 2:08 AM edit delete reply
F/A-18: 13,000 N thrust dry, 22,000 N with after burner. Not quite 200% thrust, but close.
DanD 4th Jan 2019, 8:09 PM edit delete reply
Sorry, lbs thrust, not N.
megados 24th Feb 2017, 12:19 AM edit delete reply

Ada, Noctis, keep Acantha safe.
Swift travels!
Time is of the essence!

The view in the last panel is amazing!
Centcomm 24th Feb 2017, 12:35 AM edit delete reply

thanky thanky!
Stormwind13 24th Feb 2017, 12:20 AM edit delete reply

Ada is sure hoping that CentComm will reimburse Kyle for her abuse of the Dart. After trying to charge a ('dead') TeeDee for shooting her doll, I'm not as optimistic as Ada about that.
All the Pickles 24th Feb 2017, 12:26 AM edit delete reply

That was senseless vandalism though; this is an operational expense.
Centcomm 24th Feb 2017, 12:35 AM edit delete reply

Oh Ada is going to almost wreck this poor thing.
Gilrandir 24th Feb 2017, 12:49 AM edit delete reply
Theoretically, the ambulance bill should go to the House of Livius, not New Troy. I'm sure Acantha has health insurance, though. ^_^

If she turns out to be underinsured, then the New Troy taxpayers end up getting stuck with the bill.
megados 24th Feb 2017, 12:59 AM edit delete reply

Maybe Kyle just ends up with a fried engine and an apology . . .
Gilrandir 24th Feb 2017, 1:18 AM edit delete reply
Then Kyle's insurance gets involved, and sues New Troy S&R for improper seizure of assets, seeking to recover payment for the stolen vehicle. ^_^
HiFranc 24th Feb 2017, 1:26 AM edit delete reply

Then New Troy just says "National Security". However, I believe that Rose will reimburse him and will add it to CentComm's tab.
Gilrandir 24th Feb 2017, 1:38 AM edit delete reply
Don't know about New Troy laws (by the way, Kyle is a resident of New Sparta, not New Troy) but seizure under eminent domain per American law does not relieve the government from the obligation to provide equitable restitution. They would have had to declare a state of emergency (in advance) and jump through all sorts of legal hoops before they could just help themselves to anything they want without needing to pay for it after the fact. And, considering it was seized in Nova Roma, not New Troy, that's a case it seems it would be stupid easy for a lawyer to win.

You'd have better luck if Nova Roma (which {probably} did have a state of emergency declared) seized the Dart, then handed the keys to Ada. Of course, that's technically an act of war against New Sparta, unless they play nice and pay up after the fact.

Why do so many people seem to think it so much cooler if people don't just pay what they owe? Livius wants Acantha saved. Livius is filthy rich. Livius should pay what they owe. No problem.
megados 24th Feb 2017, 8:35 AM edit delete reply

FWIW, @Gilrandir, I do agree that people, (and other entities) should pay what they owe. I tossed that out there playing devils advocate. I didn't mean to infer that I think it's OK to stiff people. I apologize if I gave that impression.
Gilrandir 24th Feb 2017, 11:40 AM edit delete reply
No worries, @megados. I certainly agree that your scenario is plausible, and I will happily accept that you don't consider it the most desired outcome. No good deed goes unpunished, after all, eh? ^_^
Centcomm 24th Feb 2017, 9:48 AM edit delete reply

actually to went like this..

Lynn: Kyle i need your ship to save my friend a S&R person is gonna use it.


Kyle: Oh- Okay. * tosses key codes and keys * Have fun! stares adoringly at Lynn.
Gilrandir 24th Feb 2017, 11:43 AM edit delete reply
See, these little details are important! ^_^ Not only that they didn't steal Kyle's ride, but that he and Lynn are in ongoing communication after the Aeneas reboot completed.

Considering the stereotype for most teenage girls and cellphones, shouldn't she and Kyle spend the entire six-hour ride back to New Troy on the phone talking to each other? ^_^
sigpig 24th Feb 2017, 1:06 PM edit delete reply

Then everybody realizes that it's KYLE'S, and then they care no longer for his possessions (because they do not care for Kyle)...
Gilrandir 24th Feb 2017, 1:15 PM edit delete reply
If Kyle was there to hand her the keys, why isn't he in the Navarro? ^_^
Speedy Marsh 8th Apr 2017, 8:53 PM edit delete reply
5 minutes later, Kyle remembers that when the safeties are disabled, Lynn's voice seductively says, "Throttle me up, Baby."
Centcomm 24th Feb 2017, 11:12 AM edit delete reply

Then Cent shoots the lawyers and goes about her bisness. (( ok that was a joke.. REALLY it was a joke! Cent put down that pistol!! ))
Gilrandir 24th Feb 2017, 11:49 AM edit delete reply
CentComm dolls versus Schlock Mercenary Collective lawyer drones -- will the dolls run out of ammo before the Collective runs out of bodies? ^_^
chk 24th Feb 2017, 12:19 PM edit delete reply

I think it's a well written adventure story. Not a law textbook.
Rashala 25th Feb 2017, 3:38 AM edit delete reply

Ohhhhhhhh centy I gonna pay after calli gets an earful about what went down #evil laugh# she will need to order fifty new avatar bodies before she can sit comfortably again when calli, dolly, rose, silver. And others are done tearing her a new power socket!
Sheela 26th Feb 2017, 2:16 AM edit delete reply

Actually, there's precedence in international law about this.

If a rescue or order service, such as Police/Firefighters/critical healthcare service (such as ambulances) find themselves unable to do their job because of either an obstruction, or limitation - They are allowed to damage, break, or commandeer private property to fulfill their task - The state that runs the service will pay for damages, unless they had to break it because the private person broke the law.

In this case Ada is a representative of New Troy Search & Rescue Service, and she has commandeered Kyle's craft in order to rescue Princess Acantha Livius. The insurance company of New Troy Search & Rescue Service will probably consider the bill a bit unusual, but no more so than a minor issue in the big picture - Kyle would be reimbursed, no problem.


.... if he's still alive that is.
After all, he's stuck in New Rome, during a rebellion ... with no ride home.

>_<
Gilrandir 26th Feb 2017, 3:37 AM edit delete reply
Excellent reference, @Sheela. There are enough legal wrinkles to keep the lawyers employed ... (for example, if Ada is in Nova Roma as a representative of an ambulance service, why didn't they bring an ambulance with them to start? ^_^) ... but it is clear that poor Kyle shouldn't get stuck with the shaft.
Stormwind13 26th Feb 2017, 2:10 PM edit delete reply

Except for the fact Ada isn't OFFICIALLY here. On the page Page of Staves (31 October 2012), Ada is listed as inactive, pending reload and sealed with an under investigation tag. So this is NOT a sanctioned mission that NTSR is accountable for, Sheela. Currently, Ada doesn't officially exist to be charged for any action she takes.
DLKmusic (at work) 26th Feb 2017, 2:39 PM edit delete reply
There's a saying among Lawyers...

"Any town that doesn't have enough work for one attorney will always have enough work for two."
robnot 26th Feb 2017, 11:18 PM edit delete reply
@ Sheela: jus a reminder, Rose has backups for her backups... Kyle has a ride ,, maybe not home, but he has a ride ..
Sheela 27th Feb 2017, 10:35 AM edit delete reply

Rose has a horse for Kyle ?
That's kinda weird ... no wait !
Rose has a Murderturd for Kyle!
It may be down a few legs, but it can still eat him and poop him out. :D
All the Pickles 24th Feb 2017, 12:24 AM edit delete reply

Minor nitpick: that would be a suborbital hop unless they're actually going into an orbital trajectory then deorbiting later. That would be far less efficient than a parabolic trajectory, especially for such a short trip.

Aside from that, great page!
Centcomm 24th Feb 2017, 12:34 AM edit delete reply

They are doing a parabolic arc. the distance is just right to be faster than a orbital insertion. they Are however going above the stratosphere and high into low orbit .. you will see.
All the Pickles 24th Feb 2017, 12:44 AM edit delete reply

Right, but suborbital refers to the trajectory, not the altitude.
Gilrandir 24th Feb 2017, 12:59 AM edit delete reply
Actually, @All the Pickles, I will call your attention to the third paragraph of your cited reference:

"
Flights which attain sufficient velocity to go into low Earth orbit, and then de-orbit before completing their first full orbit, are not considered sub-orbital. Examples of this include Yuri Gagarin's Vostok 1, and flights of the Fractional Orbital Bombardment System.
"

So, if Ada gets it going fast enough to achieve stable orbit, then de-orbits, it apparently would not be considered "suborbital". It would appear, from @Centcomm's statements, that that is what is happening. I expect that, from a fuel-consumption standpoint it would be considerably less efficient; but from an elapsed time standpoint (assuming unlimited fuel) it is probably superior to have the Dart under acceleration for the entire trip duration -- either speeding up or slowing down, with no time at all spent coasting. Given that flight profile, there would almost certainly have to be at least one transitory moment during which the Dart possessed an orbital vector.
Centcomm 24th Feb 2017, 1:01 AM edit delete reply

Yes Gil thats why permission was needed from Luna gov to allow her to fly in there " 'air'Space? "
Gilrandir 24th Feb 2017, 1:09 AM edit delete reply
No @Centcomm. @All the Pickles has it right there. Altitude is irrelevant to whether the proper adjective is 'orbital' or 'suborbital'. I agree that Luna would care based on how high they are going, but (as best this uneducated layman understands and can express it) if there is a single instant of flight during which, if you shut the engines off, the ship would go into orbit and stay there, then it is an 'orbital' flight, otherwise it is 'suborbital'. There are plenty of trajectories that could take you out to Geosynchronous orbit and still be 'suborbital' -- presuming you had unlimited fuel.
All the Pickles 24th Feb 2017, 1:07 AM edit delete reply

Ok, fair enough. That was covered in my initial comment though the terminology might have been a little different. While it's not the most efficient way to make such a hop, it is the fastest if the craft has the fuel to keep accelerating past the point where gravity would complete the arc, then decelerate to avoid overshooting the target.
Gilrandir 24th Feb 2017, 1:16 AM edit delete reply
Yes, @All the Pickles. And, although I don't know this to be true, given the sort of unlimited fuel flight profile we are talking, I'm pretty sure the flight profile ends up looking nothing like a parabola at all. Parabolic trajectories typically emerge when gravity is doing most of the work, and in that case, we should definitely be talking 'suborbital'.
chk 24th Feb 2017, 12:21 PM edit delete reply

I give up.
All the Pickles 24th Feb 2017, 12:40 PM edit delete reply

Haha, I was looking for your comment after seeing the other two. Yes, it is a well written adventure story.
chk 24th Feb 2017, 3:33 PM edit delete reply

Yep.
Gilrandir 24th Feb 2017, 4:04 PM edit delete reply
I'm not sure just how tongue-in-cheek your comments are, @chk. I hope I haven't gone on so long about this or that detail that I have completely stopped being entertaining or interesting. I totally agree with you that it is a well-written adventure story, but ...

Is it a well-written science-fiction adventure story, or is it a well-written fantasy adventure story? What kind should it be? Why, whatever the authors want it to be. And I totally agree that the line between the two isn't a clear and unambiguous divide. But, if it's a science fiction story, there's generally an additional set of criteria unfairly applied for evaluating the work. <shrug> What can I say -- I didn't make the rules. ^_^
megados 24th Feb 2017, 7:32 PM edit delete reply

In my case, I see some of the tenets of the story being assailed, and try to show that not only is the story well thought out, and researched, but also fit in with some established scientific facts and theories. I certainly don't want to put anyone off in the process.
Gilrandir 24th Feb 2017, 8:02 PM edit delete reply
By the way, along the lines of kudos for those little science-fictiony details creators get right ...

Nova Roma is supposed to be East of New Troy, which means the Dart's course should be angled west. Since departure was supposed to be within a few hours of 06:00, that means the sun should be rising, local time, which puts it behind the Dart. We can see from the highlights and shadows in the final panoramic panel that this appears to be the case, so ... nice attention to detail, @Centcomm. ^_^
megados 24th Feb 2017, 8:53 PM edit delete reply

Yep, that was one of the things that prompted my original comment. Lots of good stuff in this story.
chk 24th Feb 2017, 9:54 PM edit delete reply

Completely tongue in cheek. I'm just yanking everyone's chain. I love reading all the comments.
Gilrandir 24th Feb 2017, 10:08 PM edit delete reply
<nod> <smile>
megados 24th Feb 2017, 10:11 PM edit delete reply

Thanks, chk. I thought I had committed some major faux pas. Cent is prolly enjoying this! :-)
Centcomm 25th Feb 2017, 3:00 AM edit delete reply

Looks innocent .. yes.

When someone crosses the line I eather just delete the post. or send a strongly worded response to CUT it out.. or.. Rose will.

We don't allow real world politics to be discussed period. and ZERO tolerance for bigotry or anything of the kind. and please do not disreepct our Military Servicemen and Women past or present. :D

Puts away soap box :D
Centcomm 25th Feb 2017, 3:04 AM edit delete reply

Also a post from a " named " Like myself or Rose or Mister black or Marcus is considered to be a top level post.

:D
Guest 25th Feb 2017, 8:46 AM edit delete reply
Thanks, Centcomm. I appreciate your time. Please know that I agree with, and support your policies. Always have, always will. They were important to me long before I got here.

And yes, I have always considered all your posts to be above my pay grade! :-D

*puts away umbrella that was to be a defense against giant foot coming down*
megados 25th Feb 2017, 8:52 AM edit delete reply

Gah! Above post = mine; I hadn't logged in. How embarrassing . . . LOL

There's one other thing. Just because a post isn't against policy, doesn't mean it can't make someone upset, or feel bad. Even the top level players aren't immune to how they feel. I had thought I might have somehow done that, and that's basically why I was concerned.

Oh, and I still think your magnet analogy was a good one. :-D


Centcomm 25th Feb 2017, 6:19 PM edit delete reply

yay .. this actually got brought up at the game last night.. and it was offered that a line about the engine and power plant heating up may have been good.

Remember ships in DC general have several parts there is rhe Mass reduction generators /power plant / And thrusters and the thrusters are what generally uses some kind of fuel even if its a specialized water.
megados 25th Feb 2017, 8:01 PM edit delete reply

You all are playing this - that is really cool! Sounds like huge fun! I hope it keeps going well! I'm still blown away that there's a DC game!

Like I said, I think you have this all pretty well thought out. And yes, in theory each thing that handles power has to get rid of heat somehow. More power = more heat. In actual practice on any machine, wherever there's an energy conversion, there's a loss in the form of heat, especially where heat and expansion IS the conversion. If you can't get rid of it fast enough, your machine burns up. But you already know that! :-D
DLKmusic 24th Feb 2017, 11:43 PM edit delete reply

Kewl, Chk... this was actually an awesome troll, my friend.... I'm looking forward till 2 weeks from now when you'll tell me it's an awesome adventure, not a psychology textbook!
chk 25th Feb 2017, 10:08 AM edit delete reply

Heh.
robnot 26th Feb 2017, 11:46 PM edit delete reply
its a Science-fiction/fantasy... and we are living it.! a little over 117 years ago, we could not fly, go fifty miles per hour, put people in space, on the moon. " hogwash" travel under the sea, oh an some people STILL think the earth is flat.. 20 years ago no one could skype on a tablet..
oh an the " hogwash " is their remark to these things not mine.!
antrik 28th Feb 2017, 11:23 AM edit delete reply
Steam engines surpassed 50 (actually 60) mph at least 52 years before that point...
Mark_L_A 24th Feb 2017, 1:03 AM edit delete reply

And Noctis is just filing away that Kyle evident;y is skilled enough to reprogram his Dart's Vox in addition to all the work he assumedly did in the restoration of Aeneas, plus getting through Roma's security in the first place.

I wonder if she might recommend to Maxus to hire Kyle for the Roma IT department. And possibly Ada for the Roma Medical establishment.
Centcomm 24th Feb 2017, 11:10 AM edit delete reply

reprogramming a Vox isnt that hard. Getting the initial samples from Lynn was the hardest part :D
Gilrandir 24th Feb 2017, 11:44 AM edit delete reply
But probably the most fun. ^_^
HiFranc 24th Feb 2017, 1:28 AM edit delete reply

Does Lynn know about the Voice? If yes, how does she feel about it?

On one hand it might be seen as romantic. On the other, the computer has to do everything it's told (with the implications of that).
Timotheus 24th Feb 2017, 4:25 AM edit delete reply

As I recall, Lynn is unaware of the voice modification.
Centcomm 24th Feb 2017, 11:11 AM edit delete reply

She is unaware of it.. yet.
Gilrandir 24th Feb 2017, 3:45 AM edit delete reply
So, I take it we can conclude from the fact that Acantha appears to be sitting in Noctis' lap that in ordinary circumstances the Dart is a two-seat craft?
megados 24th Feb 2017, 10:17 AM edit delete reply

That is how it appears to me.
Centcomm 24th Feb 2017, 11:10 AM edit delete reply

Yes the Dart is a two person craft one pilot and one passenger.
megados 24th Feb 2017, 11:52 AM edit delete reply

Then I think that a ~50% increase in payload, puts an even greater strain on an already strained propulsion system. Ada, watch those temps!
oldarmourer 24th Feb 2017, 5:29 AM edit delete reply
Could that be interpreted as 300% of rated output ? Or rather, the power normally available for standard operation ? The equivalent of cancelling the governor and using all power available, not just what's safe or prudent to use ?
Centcomm 24th Feb 2017, 11:11 AM edit delete reply

right!
DLKmusic 24th Feb 2017, 5:35 AM edit delete reply

I have no minor nit-picks, no Tech insights, and no smart-arse comments. Just a stupid grin on my face!

I love heartwarming endings!
mjkj 24th Feb 2017, 6:06 AM edit delete reply

Oh? Ending? I thought this was the beginning? - of the second arc? ;)
highly irregular 24th Feb 2017, 8:20 AM edit delete reply
wait a second - it's friday!… (braces for explosion, implosion, impacts, and other cliffhangery things)
Centcomm 24th Feb 2017, 11:11 AM edit delete reply

whups .. forgot those.. tune in next week.
All the Pickles 24th Feb 2017, 12:42 PM edit delete reply

Just please don't kill Ada. She's my favorite character.
Centcomm 24th Feb 2017, 2:28 PM edit delete reply

marks down .. Okay thats one vote for not Ada.. right.
megados 24th Feb 2017, 2:44 PM edit delete reply

I would like to vote for everyone to be OK!
jamie59 24th Feb 2017, 10:18 PM edit delete reply

You already killed my favorite. Still hoping Rose the corpsicle will save her.
antrik 25th Feb 2017, 12:00 AM edit delete reply
Well, my favourite is not dead, but probably won't figure in the story any more... A fate worse than death? ;-)
velvetsanity 24th Feb 2017, 12:07 PM edit delete reply

I'd say we're in the epilogue of the first arc. But then, I have no idea what's going to happen next, so...
Stormwind13 25th Feb 2017, 4:33 PM edit delete reply

I'm thinking that the first arc ended with Lynn getting to leave Nova Roma. No time shift, just continuing the story from there (I was so afraid the EVIL DUO were going to time skip ahead, leaving us to wonder about loose ends).

This could be an interesting conversation, one assassin/protector and one healer that HATES killing (though she is BADASS when she needs to be). Wonder what they will talk about? :-D
megados 25th Feb 2017, 5:11 PM edit delete reply

I agree, it's a good segue into the second arc. I was hoping that we'd finally get to see Acantha on her way. Like you, I wondered whether it would begin this arc. The Evil Duo could have made us wait yet again!

It could be an interesting conversation, most definitely, but they do first have to get some small talk out of the way; they don't really know each other, and they have had only a few sentences between them so far. If I hazard a guess, once that's out of the way, they'll probably talk about Acantha, since they have her well being in common right now. We'll have to wait and see!
Stormwind13 25th Feb 2017, 6:33 PM edit delete reply

Small talk, megados? This *IS* Noctis we are talking about. Does she DO small talk?!? =0
megados 25th Feb 2017, 7:45 PM edit delete reply

Well, yeah, Stormwind13, I know what you're saying, and I mostly agree, but Noctis has been exhibiting somewhat less stoicism lately, and even this latest exchange is something I might have once thought unlikely. Ada might try to get a conversation going, and Noctis usually responds if someone speaks to her. So I think it's possible. Maybe? *edit I suppose it could be considered that the q&a about the VOX WAS the small talk, and now Noctis could ask some blunt question about Acantha's condition? I doubt they could sit the whole ride in silence.
antrik 28th Feb 2017, 12:00 PM edit delete reply
I also noticed Noctis seeming somewhat less stoic lately. I'm beginning to think that maybe her stoicism was simply a coping mechanism (that's what stoicism in the strict sense is actually about I think?) for having to serve under Decimus; and now she is slowly laying it aside?...
chk 24th Feb 2017, 12:23 PM edit delete reply

Agreed.
Sheela 26th Feb 2017, 2:57 AM edit delete reply

Noctis doesn't smalltalk, she microtalks. :D
megados 26th Feb 2017, 9:11 AM edit delete reply

LOL or speaks in ellipses!
Sheela 27th Feb 2017, 10:37 AM edit delete reply

Ha ha ha, good one.

Spirals or ellipses - I like it. :)
mjkj 24th Feb 2017, 5:52 AM edit delete reply

Yayyy, go, Ada!!!
Centcomm 24th Feb 2017, 2:29 PM edit delete reply

She is pedle to the metal and gonna blow down some doors
mjkj 24th Feb 2017, 7:21 PM edit delete reply

Yayyy, go for it!!!
Gilrandir 27th Feb 2017, 12:22 PM edit delete reply
'Cause we've got a wounded envoy, flying through the night.
Yes, we've got a wounded envoy, ain't she a beautiful sight?
C'mon an' heal our envoy, don't let politics get in our way.
We're gonna fly our envoy across the U.S.A.!
Envoy......

^_^
KarToon12 24th Feb 2017, 6:42 PM edit delete reply

I can see my house from here!
mjkj 24th Feb 2017, 7:23 PM edit delete reply

Well, then you should go out and wave... maybe you will see yourself...?
Steven-Vincent 24th Feb 2017, 7:14 PM edit delete reply

"The area is confirmed clear."

Famous last words?
Centcomm 24th Feb 2017, 7:35 PM edit delete reply

off camera roma patrol hit by surface to air missles.. Oops.
antrik 25th Feb 2017, 12:03 AM edit delete reply
Missiles? Then I guess it's not Aeneas having fun, since "orbital cannons" are not missile weapons AIUI? ;-)
Stormwind13 25th Feb 2017, 6:37 PM edit delete reply

Naw, figured it would be more like an armada of UFO's would go flashing by being chased by a beagle flying a small house! =D And does he report it (and maybe get busted back to janitor for drinking on the job)?

megados 26th Feb 2017, 12:28 AM edit delete reply

I think we're gonna need Sheela to sort this one out! LOL
Sheela 26th Feb 2017, 2:58 AM edit delete reply

If they don't want missiles after them. they shouldn't fly over Ranger Logrin's house.

*sage nod*
Gilrandir 24th Feb 2017, 8:37 PM edit delete reply
Just FYI, at least some reports have that Patreon is one of the sites possibly affected by the recent Cloudflare security bug, so Patreon users will want to take all due precautions.
antrik 25th Feb 2017, 12:18 AM edit delete reply
Noctis making small talk? Now that's a new one :-)

"Charming" is kinda hilarious -- though I can't quite put my finger to why. From anyone else, it would just be a very typical sarcastic remark; but from Noctis it feels more special, in some way I can't really explain...
TheSkulker 25th Feb 2017, 7:04 AM edit delete reply

Perhaps it's perspective:
Coming from a human it would be a (sarcastic) commentary on the sentimental weakness of Kyle.
However, coming from Noctis, it seems to be a commentary on the weakness of humans.
Tokyo Rose 26th Feb 2017, 7:16 AM edit delete reply

Noctis's total lack of affect makes it so much fucking fun to write her dialogue. Is she just being sarcastic in a "silly hormone-driven meatbag" way? Does she sincerely think Kyle's sentimentality is cute? Is it a disinterested response generated just to fill the silence? I know which one it is, but making the readers guess is a fucking hoot. >D
megados 26th Feb 2017, 9:01 AM edit delete reply

Just so you know, Rose, you're not the only one having fun here. From a reader POV, it's a lot of fun trying to figure her out! ;-D There is evidence to reasons why she is how she is. I think her intentions are good, and I continue to stick with her, if for no other reason than because Maxus does. I have others of my own that I'm unready to talk about yet, but some of your comments kinda led me to think. So thanks for the prod. :-)
antrik 25th Feb 2017, 12:24 AM edit delete reply
BTW, Noctis looks kinda concerned I think? I wonder why that is? Surely not because of the vox? Is she mistrusting Ada's ability to keep this ride safe?...
megados 25th Feb 2017, 9:45 AM edit delete reply

I don't think she mistrusts Ada; it might be that she's never had a ride anything like that before, and has Acantha on top of her, and is a little . . . unsettled. Noctis would never say, "Holy Shit!".
Sheela 26th Feb 2017, 2:59 AM edit delete reply

Noctis *is* concerned.
She's very concerned wether or not Acantha survives.
megados 26th Feb 2017, 8:53 AM edit delete reply

That's a very good point, Sheela!
HeSerpenty 25th Feb 2017, 2:16 PM edit delete reply

Can't wait to see how New Troy reacts to Noctis hahaha XD
Stormwind13 25th Feb 2017, 6:04 PM edit delete reply

I can't wait to see how Noctis handles New Troy! I mean, her world view has been limited to Nova Roma. I just remember how Mira reacted to New Troy. Doubt Noctis will be yelling, but I imagine she will be... uncomfortable with some of the things going on.
megados 26th Feb 2017, 9:04 AM edit delete reply

There are far too many reactions to be seen for me to be able to pick just one!
Gilrandir 25th Feb 2017, 4:03 PM edit delete reply
Random Thought of the Day: (Disclaimer: I am not a Zen Buddhist, and most of what I know about Zen Buddhism I learned by reading science fiction novels.)

When a Zen Buddhist says "Without Belief, there is Nothing," he is really saying something.
Sheela 26th Feb 2017, 3:01 AM edit delete reply

Sheela Buddhism says "He's not saying anything, if there is nothing."
DLKmusic (at work) 26th Feb 2017, 2:43 PM edit delete reply
I don't believe you.
Gilrandir 26th Feb 2017, 5:55 PM edit delete reply
Then I have nothing left to say. ^_^
Sheela 27th Feb 2017, 10:39 AM edit delete reply

Don't believe ?
'Well, you cannot speak in empty space.
Speedy Marsh 8th Apr 2017, 11:01 PM edit delete reply
He doesn't believe you, because he can't believe you. If there is nothing, than you don't exist for him to believe, he doesn't exist to believe you, I don't exist to write this, and the Internet does not exist for this to be posted on.

Ok, that last one was kinda scary... No Internet?!?

I guess that's ok, though, since I don't exist, to be scared.
Speedy Marsh 9th Apr 2017, 4:37 PM edit delete reply
This reminded me of the Enterprise intro song, 'Faith of the Heart'
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