Comic 1481 - Flattery

29th Mar 2017, 12:00 AM
Flattery
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All the Pickles 29th Mar 2017, 12:03 AM edit delete reply

Only eight weapons? Surely there are more she can't see...
Tokyo Rose 29th Mar 2017, 12:18 AM edit delete reply

Oh, she's still counting. :D
Sheela 29th Mar 2017, 10:14 AM edit delete reply

And so starts the game between Centcomm and Noctis of "spot the weapon"!
Centcomm gains a point if Noctis doesn't spot a weapon, and Noctis gains a point for every weapon she spots.
You can even gamble on it, in illegal gambling dens.
Mr Black owns a stake in some of said dens.
JackOfClubs 29th Mar 2017, 1:42 PM edit delete reply

I'm kind of surprised that she uses her conscious mind to count. I would think she would have a threat analysis subsystem to do that and simply report the results in a heads up display or other useful form.
Tokyo Rose 30th Mar 2017, 7:50 PM edit delete reply

She pretty much does, but it's more fun to demonstrate it this way.
cattservant 29th Mar 2017, 12:05 AM edit delete reply

Her mind is made up.
Stormwind13 29th Mar 2017, 10:15 AM edit delete reply

Which her might you be referring to, catt? LOTS of them here to choose from (and they all look good) :-D Plus I'm not sure ANY of them have totally made up their minds.
megados 29th Mar 2017, 12:21 AM edit delete reply

Hmmm, Noctis is aware. So much for staying out of sight. She also realizes that CentComm knows how dangerous she can be, and seems pleased. So far, it remains peaceful.

The Dart is almost ready to start to not be on fire!

Re alt text: Yep, she'll learn.
Gilrandir 29th Mar 2017, 12:25 AM edit delete reply
I thought Amy was in Tech Services. Why would you charge someone whose principal expertise is dealing with hardware to watch over a person needing escort? Theoretically the best kind of person for that would seem to be a cop, an MP, an FBI agent with counter-terrorism training or the equivalent. Someone like the gal flying the grav sled with the mounted .50 cal, perhaps?

Manpower shortage?
Centcomm 29th Mar 2017, 12:31 AM edit delete reply

Shes just sending a message and making sure it gets sent. and Andriods do a lot of jobs.
The Old Scribe 29th Mar 2017, 12:32 AM edit delete reply

That looks more like a GAU-8/A Avenger autocannon on that floater. That's some serious hardware packing foot long 30 mm depleted uranium armor piercing cannon shells.
antrik 29th Mar 2017, 7:07 AM edit delete reply
I wonder whether Noctis can dodge that too?... ;-)

Heavy weapons actually seem an odd choice, considering that Noctis's main boon seems to be agility... But I suspect Commie arranged a wide assortment of weapons of all kinds, to cover all odds...
Dragonrider 29th Mar 2017, 10:36 AM edit delete reply

@antrik Who the hell is commie? I don't think there any Russians there.
antrik 29th Mar 2017, 11:21 AM edit delete reply
Heh, I wondered how long it will take for someone to ask ;-)

I use "Commie", because I don't like "Centy", and also because it's more in line with "Rosie" (which I really like). Admittedly, it sounds a bit weird -- but I can't think of anything better.

The association with "Communist" is not unintentional: the way CentComm runs things is indeed not unlike 20th century "Communist" regimes in many regards. (I put it in quotes, since these states obviously don't really have much in common with what Marx envisioned...)
The Old Scribe 29th Mar 2017, 12:27 AM edit delete reply

Is Cent being xenophobic or just hostile? What does she think Noctis would do anyway? Take on the whole city for the glory of New Rome? Noctis is Acantha's guardian, not an infiltrator. I wonder if Noctis will be allowed in the operating theater? Her orders are to keep the Princess safe and not let her out of her sight. She and Cent may have words about that.
megados 29th Mar 2017, 12:49 AM edit delete reply

I think she is just being super cautious. She is probably aware of how dangerous Noctis could be.
Gilrandir 29th Mar 2017, 2:08 AM edit delete reply
CentComm does have a recent visual feed of a Cassian in action, so caution would seem the order of the day ... in addition to whatever else she has managed to acquire of the Cassian technical specifications over the years.

And there was that one city-state A.I.S. that disguised a cyber-warfare equipped android as a simple escort and sent it in to attack a rival citiy's A.I.S. under the cover story of a kidnapping rescue mission. CentComm will undoubtedly recall having heard about that ... from somewhere. So she knows that you can't just go trusting strange androids you pick up off the burning streets.

Technically, as far as we can tell, Noctis hasn't even claimed to be Acantha's bodyguard or made any official statements at all about her purposes and intentions. She just came along for the ride because Maxus suggested it and she had nothing better to do, then spent three hours sitting quietly or telling Ada war stories. If any official protocol exchange has been initiated or accomplished it has been off-screen and carefully not mentioned in any way. Because planning and advance formal commitments are considered rude when compared with greeting people with readied weapons. ^_^
antrik 29th Mar 2017, 7:03 AM edit delete reply
Still, it seems surprising that Commie wouldn't trust her "regular" defences to stop Noctis should she try anything funky...

I guess she might be treating the Cassians as a wild card, since she has already seen that they seem to be more capable than they "should" be, and there is no telling what else they might be hiding?...
antrik 30th Mar 2017, 8:11 AM edit delete reply
Upon further thought, I guess Commie sees Noctis as the equivalent of her Black Angels, and that makes her very very afraid ;-)
Stormwind13 29th Mar 2017, 7:33 AM edit delete reply

That is my read too, megados. CentComm is treating Noctis as a possible threat. And making sure that Noctis KNOWS that she is not entirely trusted.

Like CentComm (the artist/creator) pointed out in the previous page's comments, if CentComm thought she was a (active) threat she would already be dead. As vulnerable as Acantha is, I can't see Noctis BEING that threat though.
Calimachus 30th Mar 2017, 2:16 AM edit delete reply
I know that you know that I know that you....
Timotheus 29th Mar 2017, 2:10 AM edit delete reply

What did Centcom just try to do to Nova Roma's AI? And how did she do it? And you wonder what she's worried about?
Sheela 29th Mar 2017, 10:19 AM edit delete reply

Centcomm isn't so much "worried" as she is "kill first, ask questions later" kinda A.I.S.
Stormwind13 29th Mar 2017, 12:01 PM edit delete reply

Not sure that is true, Sheela. CentComm TRIES to deal with potential problems as gently as possible (keep in mind that there is STILL some human kind, because she decided to stop killing).

If that fails to resolve the issue, CentComm does have a tendency to fall back upon the BIGGEST damn hammer she has to make sure it ceases to be a problem. She is a war machine at heart after all.
Timotheus 29th Mar 2017, 2:48 PM edit delete reply

Okay, "having concerns and taking steps to mitigate them" about. How's that?
megados 29th Mar 2017, 10:48 AM edit delete reply

Really, to Centcomm's mind, there is a lot to worry about. Noctis represents a possible twofold threat. Given the stunt CentComm just tried to pull in New Rome, that aspect is fresh in her mind. Noctis also presents a physical threat. The number of weapons she has trained on Noctis is an indicator of how much of a threat CentComm believes her to be. Noctis sees that, and takes it as a compliment.

Noctis knows that anything she does is being analyzed, and for Acantha's sake is being the most benign Noctis she knows how to be. If those guns start firing, Acantha is in the line of fire.
Morituri 29th Mar 2017, 4:44 PM edit delete reply
Remember pac-man? Where the Red ghost chased the spot in front of you and the blue ghost chased the spot behind you and so on? So that "on average" they'd catch you?

Eight weapons makes the right number for a 'box' around Noctis if Centcomm's doing the same thing. "Okay, we know how fast she is and we don't know which way she's going to jump, so if I yell fire, you shoot the spot to her left, you shoot the spot to her right, you shoot the spot in front of her, you shoot the spot behind her .... One of you's bound to be right."
guest1 29th Mar 2017, 6:35 PM edit delete reply
Hostile.!! this IS Centcomm we are talking bout... Centcomm: I will turn you and anything within 10 feet of you to ASH.!!
collateral is acceptable ,, just know you will be DEAD/ASH...
Mark_L_A 29th Mar 2017, 12:46 AM edit delete reply

Centie is taking no chances with the security of New Troy. that IS her primary mission, is it not?
DLKmusic 29th Mar 2017, 1:59 AM edit delete reply

I agree, Mark_L_A, and Noctis has been brought to the Core tower of New Troy, where Cent-Comm actual abides. I also think that there is an intimidation factor that Cent is trying to instill.

"One false move and you will leave NT3C in pieces".

Sad thing is, I don't necessarily blame CentComm for that.
Romfire 29th Mar 2017, 12:47 AM edit delete reply
I think Cent is aware that Noctis knows what Cent tried to do to to the New Rome AI. She may be thinking about damage control for her less than stellar reputation.
Something along the lines of:
A. Subtly provoke
B. Get a response that she can use as a reason to attack.
C. Destroy her
D. See? I had to try and take over New Rome. They are all so aggressive and dangerous.
It is a standard technique of abusive people to provoke and then blame when they get a response.
DLKmusic 29th Mar 2017, 2:04 AM edit delete reply

Actually, Romfire, I don't think CentComm is being deliberately provocative against Noctis. I think she very much dislikes the idea of a powerful combat android (that specializes in Black-Ops, no less) in her stronghold that she has 0.00000% control over.

To use a fictional cold-war analogy, it's similar to the reception James Bond might have received at the Kremlin in 1975.
Gilrandir 29th Mar 2017, 3:40 AM edit delete reply
I find it easier to believe that CentComm is being deliberately provocative than that she is allowing emotions to subconsciously influence her to a truculent attitude. I suspect that she would deny being susceptible to such emotional influences, and the emotions would have to be much stronger than anything we have seen justification for to date to actually affect her behavior to any detectable degree.

Of course, so far the provocative behavior has been very mild and indirect, while the direct behavior has been courteous -- which would seem to be irrational and purposeless on the face of it. I guess we'll have to see what she has in mind as it unfolds.
Timotheus 29th Mar 2017, 2:18 AM edit delete reply

It's possible, but Centcom really isn't answerable to anyone nor has any need to justify her actions to anyone but herself (and maybe the Taylors). She has no need for that kind of damage control, and such an action would be counter productive to a stable (and less threatening) Nova Roma.
Sheela 29th Mar 2017, 10:26 AM edit delete reply

Yeah, Centcomm just don't like having a high end combat unit in her city, that she doesn't have full control over.
If there is even the slightest potential of it going HAL9K, Centcomm will be the first to put it down.

No emotions, no regret - Just Centcomm.
megados 29th Mar 2017, 5:41 PM edit delete reply

Possibly, CentComm has a reason of her own to be acting as she is. It doesn't seem as she is trying to be provocative, but she is being careful, and it makes you wonder why she is allowing this at all. Maybe she thinks she can use this situation to make gains in the conflict with New Rome. The only other reason would be Acantha's connection with Lynn, through Calliope. She is aware of a data burst to Marcus regarding CeCi having set off the spike, but does she know Aeneas is recovered? A lot of this really depends on what CentComm knows.
antrik 30th Mar 2017, 9:13 PM edit delete reply
Commie is hoping Acantha will turn the Roman madhouse into something more stable and sane, and thus less of an unpredictable threat.

Or maybe she just wants to take her hostage after all ;-)
mjkj 29th Mar 2017, 2:18 AM edit delete reply

Oh, she is flattered...

Uh, there is still flames coming out of the dart??? Is there no danger of explosion? I thought they would have put out all the flames first - or at least evacuated the occupants to get them out of the danger zone...?

Stormwind13 29th Mar 2017, 6:03 AM edit delete reply

Noctis almost seems amused by CentComm's reaction to her presence, mjkj.
antrik 29th Mar 2017, 6:52 AM edit delete reply
Not necessarily amused, but definitely unfazed. I guess it's in line with what she expected...
antrik 29th Mar 2017, 7:39 AM edit delete reply
@mjkj I don't suspect there is anything in the dart that could potentially explode, beside the power generator -- and that one is probably protected well enough to not be at risk in such a minor fire ;-)
Cal 29th Mar 2017, 2:54 AM edit delete reply
I'm a little buzzed right now (it's been a shitter of a week already) but c'mon, Cent, I'll hold down the gorram watch on the Cassian if needed, for Odin's sake. The Family and Dolly are back home; that's enough for a little gorram peace, for the love of Pete.
Stormwind13 29th Mar 2017, 6:01 AM edit delete reply

Actually Cal, Dolly, Lynn and others are on their way back. Getting Acantha here earlier was why Ada was flying the Dart to its destruction after all.
Rashala 29th Mar 2017, 2:55 AM edit delete reply

If it was me I prolly have ten on her she could detect and three fire teams of twelve she could not. Cause well she is good at her job and anything less would be insulting. Also who wants to bet one of centys dolls right now is getting the evil eye from calli as she gets a certain Luna common call....
HiFranc 29th Mar 2017, 4:01 AM edit delete reply

I find it telling that she never uses Noctis's name.
Gilrandir 29th Mar 2017, 4:33 AM edit delete reply
In fairness, @HiFranc, she hasn't yet been introduced. ^_^
velvetsanity 29th Mar 2017, 6:00 AM edit delete reply

She would have been briefed before they arrived.
antrik 29th Mar 2017, 6:50 AM edit delete reply
Commie has probably been briefed on such details, but Amy likely wasn't -- so saying "Roman android" is clearer.
Stormwind13 29th Mar 2017, 7:38 AM edit delete reply

And that is a very good point antrik. CentComm knows her, but not everyone else. Plus it underscores the not trusted status of Noctis.
antrik 29th Mar 2017, 7:33 AM edit delete reply
[Squeeeeee] Dr. Demark is making another appearance! The goddesses are merciful with us :-)

I'm particularly curious how her interaction with Noctis will turn out... And Acantha too, once she is back among the living.

(Also, clearly I underestimated 39th century medical tech... What's some near-fatal wounds, if you have two full days to get healed before getting back to work! ;-) )
Stormwind13 29th Mar 2017, 8:09 AM edit delete reply

I believe it has been a little longer than that, antrik. Probably at least a week. :-) And she may be cleared to work inside New Troy, but still not to go into the field.

Still it will be interesting to see her again. We only got glimpses of a complex person previously.
antrik 29th Mar 2017, 9:51 AM edit delete reply
Not unless I missed something. Dr. Demark has been retrieved from Logrin's bunker the same morning Dolly and CeCi left after spending the night there. That same day, Dolly and CeCi got into the storm, and had to spend the night at Breaker's. The next day they made their way to Roma. Late that night (or rather, early morning) the big action started. A few hours later, in the early morning hours, the rescue team left for Troy, where they arrived now. All in all, it's pretty exactly two days.

Admittedly, Demark has already been treated somewhat by Logrin -- but as Logrin stated himself, there was only so much he could do with his equipment. (It's a spy post, not a hospital...)
mjkj 30th Mar 2017, 1:41 AM edit delete reply

Not entirely right. As Dolly and CeCi were at Logrin's TeeDee and Ada were revived and already on board with Marcus and doc Silver - because Silver treated CeCi's watchdog - so, Doc Demark was retrieved (who had TeeDee and Ada on a stick, erm, qdrive), TeeDee and Ada revived (and we know Ada took her time to wake up), furthermore Dolly also got her new body... so, I guess it is about a week or more later...

antrik 30th Mar 2017, 7:41 PM edit delete reply
Dr. Bitchy fixed up Ceci while Dolly and Ceci were in Joleet, the morning after they spent the night at Breaker's (in Joleet) -- i.e. one day after they left Logrin's, for all we know. I don't think there is a clear timeline of how long it took from Ada and TeeDee's backups being retrieved (along with Dr. Demark) to them leaving Troy with Marcus etc. -- we just know that it was all prettly rushed. I don't remember anything contradicting my conclusion that it was just one day.

Dolly obviously got her new body before she left Troy to find Dr. Demark with Logrin; so the time getting her new body took (along with organising their transport, creating Ceci, etc.) doesn't really affect what I said. Most of these events have taken place in the three days between the S&R team (Dr. Demark, Ada and TeeDee) being shot down, and Dolly arriving at Logrin's. (Dr. Demark spent most of that time at Logrin's AIUI, i.e. she has already received preliminary treatment for two or three days before she was retrieved and put in a proper hospital.)
Tokyo Rose 30th Mar 2017, 7:54 PM edit delete reply

@antrik

Spy post? Nonsense! It's a perfectly legitimate ranger station! It's just... unusually well-equipped! Spy post, ho ho ho, what a silly notion, ha ha ha...
antrik 30th Mar 2017, 9:03 PM edit delete reply
Oops, my bad -- OF COURSE;-)
antrik 30th Mar 2017, 9:06 PM edit delete reply
Gah, fingers slipped :-(
antrik 30th Mar 2017, 9:04 PM edit delete reply
Oops, my bad -- OF COURSE I meant to say ranger station! ;-)
antrik 29th Mar 2017, 10:14 AM edit delete reply
BTW, to explain a bit: thus far I love Dr. Demark mostly for the brilliant wit she showed in shooting down TeeDee; but I have high hopes that this wit is good not only for taking down bigots, but will also be a lot of fun in conversations with other interesting people :-)
Sheela 29th Mar 2017, 12:42 PM edit delete reply

Yeah, Dr Demark had some bite to her, when dealing with TeeDee, I liked that. :)
Timotheus 29th Mar 2017, 2:56 PM edit delete reply

I'm just hoping her psy powers don't give Noctis the impression she's another cyberpath. That would be unfortunate.
Tokyo Rose 30th Mar 2017, 8:03 PM edit delete reply

@Timotheus

In this setting, human psionic abilities tend to be fairly limited--a person who can affect intelligent living minds can't affect machines or even animals, and vice versa. Noctis, should she ever learn that Demark's an empath (one who's been trained by Epiphytes, at that), would have no cause for concern.
Dragonrider 29th Mar 2017, 10:48 AM edit delete reply

Our can-opener reject is acting in a manner most Hammers would consider prudent when dealing with a screw not a nail. Diplomacy is not her strong suit, her idea of diplomacy is a preemptive rail gun strike followed by kinetic strikes until her target is reduced to a hole in the ground. She and TR are two of a kind, conquest, one by brute force one by manipulation.
Sheela 29th Mar 2017, 12:41 PM edit delete reply

Damn those screws, what do they think they are ?
That one guy 30th Mar 2017, 5:46 PM edit delete reply
I see story TR and story Centcomm as more opposites, and I think the best illustration of that would be both of their likely opinions of the phrase, "If at first you don't succeed, grab a bigger hammer."

Tokyo Rose seems likely to take the approach of evaluating all possible hammers available and try to minimize the chances of going to a big enough hammer to be noticed (or at least big enough to be traceable back to her).

Centcomm seems more likely to consider the fact that anyone might consider using a hammer that's too small for the job as a foolish mistake she would never make and will take advantage of whenever an opponent makes it.
Tokyo Rose 30th Mar 2017, 8:16 PM edit delete reply

Neither Tokyo Rose nor Cent-Comm are interested in conquest.

Cent-Comm acted to destroy Aeneas, intending to overwrite him with a wholly subservient copy of herself, because she perceived New Rome as a clear and present danger to the safety of New Troy; the most logical outcome, in her mind, was to take control of New Rome and neutralize the threat it posed. She doesn't want to own the place--she just wants it to not be a problem.

Tokyo Rose is too busy trying to keep humanity from stupiding itself into oblivion to want to take over the world. She's like a day-care manager trying to wrangle several billion toddlers while they cheerfully and innocently attempt to kill themselves and each other in various creative ways.

(On a tangent only slightly related to the previous statement, I was talking to a couple friends last night, and the topic of "Small Children Put Goddamn Everything In Their Mouths" came up. My mother still tells the story about how the very last thing two-year-old-idiot-me ever put into her mouth was a live and clearly aggravated bumblebee. It was apparently a valuable life lesson and she no longer had to constantly monitor my surroundings to make sure I didn't accidentally ingest anything horrible, because I NEVER DID THAT EVER AGAIN. Also, we found out for sure that I don't have an allergy to bee stings, so I had that going for me, which was nice.)
Gilrandir 30th Mar 2017, 8:56 PM edit delete reply
They say one's character is formed early in life, based on the role models one encounters. Who would have guessed that @Tokyo Rose would encounter a "spiky ball of hate" at such a young and impressionable age. ^_^
megados 30th Mar 2017, 9:28 PM edit delete reply

*snicker*
Gilrandir 30th Mar 2017, 9:08 PM edit delete reply
From a philosophic viewpoint, if CentComm's conception of "things that are not a problem" is equivalent to "things that are wholly subservient", then she actually is interested in conquest, no matter how much she might deny it. (In my opinion, of course.)

Free-willed entities have this annoying tendency to choose according to their imperatives, rather than yours. So, in general, if you don't have a certain willingness to allow other people to be a problem for you, you are harboring (on some level) a desire to conquer them and impose your will upon them.
That one guy 31st Mar 2017, 6:31 PM edit delete reply
This is the sort of thing that I'm describing for Centcomm as a "Use a big enough hammer to solve the problem for good the first time"-type approach. She'll conquer if it seems lesser options might not do the job, but it's not the actual objective.

Kinda' like seeking power for power's sake versus seeking power in pursuit of achieving a specific goal (such as safety or peace or even something unexpected like wanting to acquire all unopened bags of Cheetos in existence).

Similar enough to a first-order approximation, but if you start making decisions based on the assumption of seeking power as a goal in and of itself, predictions will be off.
chk 29th Mar 2017, 11:52 AM edit delete reply

Leave it to Noctis to feel flattered.
Stormwind13 29th Mar 2017, 1:08 PM edit delete reply

Noctis appears to be taking it as a show of respect, chk. CentComm is considers me dangerous enough to point X number of weapons at me. Where a lot of humans would feel insulted, Noctis is viewing it from the other side.
chk 29th Mar 2017, 6:14 PM edit delete reply

She's badass and she knows it.

It's always nice to be recognized by another badass.
antrik 30th Mar 2017, 8:13 AM edit delete reply
I don't think she considers it a show of respect -- pretty sure her remark was sarcastic. Though I guess she *might* indeed feel a bit flattered at the same time :-)
Nephandus 29th Mar 2017, 12:54 PM edit delete reply
I think CentCom and Noctis are going to get along just fine.

CC thinks exactly like Noctis *wishes* she could think. I look forward to a conversation about ways of out-thinking failsafe programs between the two.
megados 29th Mar 2017, 1:47 PM edit delete reply

It makes one wonder just how much intel CentComm has and how detailed, on the goings on in New Rome, the regime change, and Noctis' role in it.
Timotheus 29th Mar 2017, 3:00 PM edit delete reply

I would say she knows everything Marcus knows, and probably not much more other than generalities and what Luna Com (tm) would tell/leak/sell her.
Stormwind13 29th Mar 2017, 4:34 PM edit delete reply

That sounds likely, jamie. Which would leave a lot unknown about Noctis, since they didn't interact much.
Marcus Ramesy 31st Mar 2017, 3:21 PM edit delete reply

Though I did not interact with her.. Ada and Teede did... and that data is filterd in to my own equipment.. so she has the data from them as well..
guest1 29th Mar 2017, 5:34 PM edit delete reply
and what Cici (( watchdog )) sent before going offline..
and possibly Tokyo Rose.: i would think Tokyo Rose sent a "F^CK 0%%" im trying to save Aeneas here.. this is why..! "
antrik 30th Mar 2017, 6:38 PM edit delete reply
As far as we are aware, she didn't send anything beside the generic "mission complete" signal.
Haegan2005 29th Mar 2017, 10:29 PM edit delete reply

So if we want to see a Centcom melt down, lets bring Callie and Noctis together and watch them compare notes! (evil grin)
Stormwind13 29th Mar 2017, 11:08 PM edit delete reply

Calliope, Noctis and Dolly, Haegan. Gets out the dwarven forge to melt down the dolls properly. }:->
Haegan2005 29th Mar 2017, 11:16 PM edit delete reply

I think the forge might be an afterthought once those three compare notes1
Gilrandir 29th Mar 2017, 11:49 PM edit delete reply
Considering that Calliope was prepared to 'glass' Nova Roma if Lynn were not returned safely to her, it seems to me that (assuming Lynn does complete her safe return) CentComm would be extended quite a bit of latitude. Not necessarily complete immunity from consequences, and certainly not a license to ignore lessons learned. But really, if you tell a computer "Do anything to bring my daughter back safely," and the daughter gets brought back safely, you have very tenuous grounds for criticizing whatever the computer might have done. (Just my opinion, of course.)
Haegan2005 30th Mar 2017, 12:44 AM edit delete reply

And it is a legit opinion of course!

But Not all of centcom's choices were the best ones and the operation had several major fail points that may have happened had any of the people involved not have shown up.
Gilrandir 30th Mar 2017, 2:13 AM edit delete reply
Very true, @Haegan2005. But as I said, incorporating changes due to lessons learned is a far different thing from building a bonfire and throwing another Barbie on the grill just for the fun of it.
Dragonrider 30th Mar 2017, 1:11 AM edit delete reply

@Gilrandir Not that the team she sent did much in the way of rescue.
Gilrandir 30th Mar 2017, 2:10 AM edit delete reply
<shrug> She sent CeCi, who proved instrumental in making sure the city survived long enough for Lynn to escape it. It can be argued that Dr. Silver's distraction denied Decimus a significant amount of manpower he would have otherwise had to pursue Lynn into the tunnels. I suspect that scene would have played quite differently if he had been attended by ten Praetorians plus Kali, rather than two.

If you're going to hold CentComm responsible for all the foul ups that came from her acting on incomplete or inaccurate information, you should also give her credit for all the blind luck and fortuitous circumstances of which she was able to take advantage.
Haegan2005 30th Mar 2017, 4:16 AM edit delete reply

If I recall, Ceci and Dolly were sabotaged by Centcom. They were not intended to actually reach New Troy.

Cent did not think dolly was capable of doing anything effective so arranged to keep her someplace safe. Which is where Mira came into the scene!
Stormwind13 30th Mar 2017, 9:56 AM edit delete reply

If I remember correctly, Haegan, CentComm indicated that they were only meant to be DELAYED. CeCi was still supposed to arrive and deal with Aeneas, it sounded like. I can't hunt it down on the phone, sorry.
megados 30th Mar 2017, 10:34 AM edit delete reply

Yeah, Stormwind, it's hard to research on a phone or tablet. I can't remember specifically either, but Dolly and CeCi, IIRC, weren't meant to be Lynn's rescuers, (Dolly was misled into thinking that was the plan) but instead, were supposed (CeCi was) to finish off Aeneas. Like Gilrandir says, CentComm put that in motion, but it didn't turn out as planned. If it did, everyone would be dead right now. I don't think CentComm knew about Decimus' contingencies, or I think her plan would have been quite different. Serendipitous turn of good fortune there. It is clear that there are gaps in CentComm's information. I do think, though, that she knows enough, that she expects a fairly good chewing out. (Giving a shit is a different matter)
antrik 30th Mar 2017, 6:36 PM edit delete reply
I don't think everyone would be dead if everything went as planned... At least I don't remember any indication of Commie planning the Prince's demise, or anything that would make an inadvertent demise particularly more likely.

(OTOH, I'm not sure how much Commie has planned this out at all -- as opposed to just creating opportunities, and hoping for things to play out in her favour. I'd say Ceci's various layers of objectives are a hint of that.)
megados 30th Mar 2017, 7:11 PM edit delete reply

Well, if everything went as planned, the spike that CeCi carried would have been expended in taking out Aeneas, instead of Decimus' contingencies, so when Kali did him in, New Rome would have gone boom. If CentCom had planned for that, it would likely have included a means of ensuring Decimus' safety, so as not to set off the contingencies, until Lynn and the others were safely away. (Unless, of course CentComm didn't care whether the one she was trying to save and the people she sent to save her made it out alive or not.)

Or I am mistaken. :)
antrik 30th Mar 2017, 8:30 PM edit delete reply
My point is that the Prince's demise was not part of the plan -- i.e. if the contingencies had been set off, it would mean things did *not* go as planned :-)

Also, if Dolly and Ceci had indeed arrived later, with everything else being equal, the events that led to the confrontation between Acantha and Prince Headcase would have played out quite differently -- possibly avoiding it altogether; or avoiding it taking place just when Acantha didn't have protection from Aeneas... So again, the contingencies most likely would have *not* been set of -- not even as an unexpected side effect of the plan.

More generally speaking, since the events leading to the Prince's demise resulted from a combination of random circumstances, it is quite likely this wouldn't have happened at all if things had played out differently in *any* substantial way.
megados 30th Mar 2017, 8:48 PM edit delete reply

You are right, Decimus' demise wasn't part of anyone's plan; it was a bonus for all concerned. It wasn't part of Noctis' plan; she only wanted to prevent Decimus from murdering Maxus, and making his 'purge'. It wasn't part of CentComm's plan; she wanted to covertly overwrite Aeneas, and remove him from the equation, while sending a rescue mission to secure Lynn. She did not know about the contingencies, and she had no way to know that Kali was going to torch Decimus. CeCi used her 'payload' to overwrite the contingencies' control software, and disabled them. Had things gone according to plan, she would have overwritten Aeneas instead, and the contingencies would have still been in place when Kali killed Decimus, and Nova Roma would have been destroyed with Lynn, Dolly, and everyone else still within the city. Dolly and CeCi were delayed, and were never meant to be Lynn's rescuers. They were (CeCi was) there to destroy Aeneas. Dolly has now realized that she had been played, and she is not happy.
antrik 30th Mar 2017, 9:31 PM edit delete reply
I think I misread your original message. Indeed, if only the bit about purging Aeneas went as planned, all else being equal, that would have been a bit inconvenient ;-)
megados 30th Mar 2017, 9:54 PM edit delete reply

I may have been somewhat unclear, and there are a few cross purposes here, so it does get confusing at times. :)
Haegan2005 30th Mar 2017, 7:28 PM edit delete reply

Storm, I think you are correct. Dolly was meant to arrive after everyone else.
antrik 30th Mar 2017, 8:51 PM edit delete reply
@Dragonrider I'm not sure what you are getting at. While the intervention of Ramsay's team might or might not have been instrumental in Lynn's rescue (it's impossible to say with all the different variables at play), it certainly wasn't for the lack of trying.
antrik 30th Mar 2017, 9:21 PM edit delete reply
Ramesy. I meant to say Ramesy.
KarToon12 29th Mar 2017, 11:09 PM edit delete reply

That "just one android" can kick your ass.
Stormwind13 30th Mar 2017, 9:44 AM edit delete reply

Something Amy wasn't aware of, but CentComm most definitely was, KarToon. Hence her orders here and warning to Amy.
megados 30th Mar 2017, 10:41 AM edit delete reply

That 'just one android' can kick a whole room full of well armed ass.
mjkj 30th Mar 2017, 10:09 AM edit delete reply

Oh, no... dropped to rank 12... =(
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