Comic 1487 - Justified Detour

12th Apr 2017, 12:00 AM
Justified Detour
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jamie59 12th Apr 2017, 12:06 AM edit delete reply

Ada is going to make Noctis her friend period.
Sheela 12th Apr 2017, 7:00 AM edit delete reply

Yeah, and Noctis better behave and become a friend REAL SOON, or else Ada will have to break out the puppy dog eyes !
And just you wait for when Lynn and Acantha gets to play dress-up with Noctis!

Noctis will not stand a chance!
antrik 12th Apr 2017, 10:55 AM edit delete reply
Yes! Pink lacy dress and bows in her hair!
Centcomm 12th Apr 2017, 2:25 PM edit delete reply

Rose already Vetoed " something cute "
antrik 12th Apr 2017, 2:48 PM edit delete reply
Bah! [pouting]

We will make her relent! We will gather an angry mob, and then we will... We will... Uhm... We will sit around and refuse to vote! Yes! That will show her!
All the Pickles 12th Apr 2017, 3:24 PM edit delete reply

It seems like people have already been doing that...
antrik 12th Apr 2017, 3:43 PM edit delete reply
Eh, the TWC results this month look whacky in general -- DataChasers is not the only entry with way fewer votes than usual... I guess they either changed the counting method on purpose, or they are experiencing some kind of technical difficulties.
Ryu Santos 12th Apr 2017, 3:38 PM edit delete reply

Just because it isn't cute doesn't mean she won't get dressed up.
I'm thinking skin tight black leather​ pants, with matching boots, and a black velvet shirt with cleavage down to there might suit Noctis very well. Leave the pink frilly stuff for Acantha to wear.
antrik 12th Apr 2017, 3:45 PM edit delete reply
No fun in that.
megados 12th Apr 2017, 5:08 PM edit delete reply

I have doubts that Noctis will wear anything that would restrict her movements, reducing her effectiveness as a bodyguard. I realize that this might not be a popular opinion . . .
antrik 12th Apr 2017, 5:27 PM edit delete reply
A lacy dress should be fine, as long as the skirt isn't too long :-)
Sheela 12th Apr 2017, 6:18 PM edit delete reply

Hah, like Rose ever said anything that would stop Lynn and Acantha from putting Noctis in a cute suit ?
Remember, we are talking about 2 adolescent girls, with a bodyguard who literally cannot say "no" to go on a shopping spree.

Besides, as Ada already pointed out, her suit stinks - And Ada will be her friend!

They might put her in a frilly dress and maybe some leggings and shoes and that way she'd both be covered up, and still be shown off.
And she'd still be able to be both cute and a deadpan snarker all at once!

It could be less frilly, but I'm sure that at some point they'll have her in something cute, if only momentarily.
jamie59 12th Apr 2017, 6:48 PM edit delete reply

That last one would require a disconnect of brain from motor functions. No matter what Acantha might say.
Centcomm 12th Apr 2017, 10:40 PM edit delete reply

I like those ideas Sheela!
Tokyo Rose 13th Apr 2017, 10:18 AM edit delete reply

No.
Stormwind13 13th Apr 2017, 1:13 PM edit delete reply

Tokyo Rose runs on Anti-fun particles too? :-D

Well even if she says NO, CentComm... you can do it as a vote incentive if you like. :-D
Gilrandir 13th Apr 2017, 4:33 PM edit delete reply
@Centcomm, you just need to find an unassailable in-canon reason for it ... For example, Acantha, during her recuperation, is sampling some of the advanced New Troy video games and is currently playing a martial arts combat game with customizable character appearance. She designs a character with Noctis' likeness, but dressed up in {insert your cuteness of choice here}, then shows it off to Lynn for some shared giggles. ^_^ How could @Tokyo Rose possibly object?
guest1 12th Apr 2017, 8:24 PM edit delete reply
partner had battle dress,, long skirt that came off quick, then used as / like matador cape..
Sheela 13th Apr 2017, 5:46 PM edit delete reply

Oh c'mon Rose, you know that Noctis would rock a gothic Lolita type dress!
megados 13th Apr 2017, 5:55 PM edit delete reply

Leave it to @Gilrandir to find a way! :D
Gilrandir 13th Apr 2017, 6:25 PM edit delete reply
When it comes to creepy, stalker-ish scenarios providing virtual women on the InterNet flimsy rationalizations for stripping down or dressing up in gratuitously revealing ensembles ... I'm there for all of you! ^_^

(What kind of emergency signal would Commissioner Gordon use for that kind of emergency? ^_^)
Tokyo Rose 13th Apr 2017, 8:45 PM edit delete reply

Noctis would just never wear that sort of thing. She does not care in the least about looking "cute" or "pretty", especially if it compromises her ability to carry out her duties. Which it would, because aside from fucking up freedom of movement, it's hard to be taken seriously if you look like a frill-bedecked toilet-paper cozy crocheted by a dotty maiden auntie.
Gilrandir 13th Apr 2017, 8:57 PM edit delete reply
"Noctis would just never wear that sort of thing..."
... voluntarily.

Of course, anyone attempting to play non-consensual dress-up with Noctis just plain isn't long for this world. Best we let Executive Assistant Noctis stick to attire suitable for the workplace. Her business is kicking butts that need it, and right now, business is good. ^_^
Just_IDD 13th Apr 2017, 10:21 PM edit delete reply
See that's our point. If nobody took her seriously she could show off her skills of killing people much more often. Make sure you put yellow on it someplace or red. Red things should warn the male of the species that the female is dangerous.
antrik 14th Apr 2017, 10:13 AM edit delete reply
@Tokyo Rose my thinking was that Noctis doesn't care how she looks period, i.e. she wouldn't really mind looking ridiculous...

As for being taken seriously, I'll just say: Ceci :-)
cattservant 12th Apr 2017, 12:14 AM edit delete reply

Scenic Showers Ahead!
Stormwind13 12th Apr 2017, 7:17 AM edit delete reply

You think, catt? The (EVIL) CentComm has teased us before about such things and then left us wanting! :-p
chk 12th Apr 2017, 8:34 AM edit delete reply

Yeah.
guest1 12th Apr 2017, 9:54 AM edit delete reply
hehe the anime shower scene
Centcomm 12th Apr 2017, 2:26 PM edit delete reply

actually .. yes. Be careful what you wish for :D
Sheela 12th Apr 2017, 6:26 PM edit delete reply

Also, don't forget that she's smooooth around the bend.
guest1 12th Apr 2017, 8:27 PM edit delete reply
hence the "anime " not hentai... if you see starkers in anime its all smooth..round the bend...
HeSerpenty 12th Apr 2017, 12:16 AM edit delete reply

Yay things are looking up for Acantha! She's gonna be alright! I'm betting on it X"DD
megados 13th Apr 2017, 9:39 AM edit delete reply

I sure hope so! She has been waiting far too long! I also hope her convalescence is short and goes smoothly, so she and Lynn get a chance to hang out a while.
xpacetrue 12th Apr 2017, 12:24 AM edit delete reply

Ten or twenty minutes sounds like a long time for someone who's dying.

The way it was worded made it sound like they would bring her out of suspension and THEN prepare her for surgery. As much as possible, I think preparation should come first. I guess it's safe to assume that they won't actually release her from suspension until the last possible minute or second.
Tokyo Rose 13th Apr 2017, 10:19 AM edit delete reply

Correct. They'll be prepping her as they're working to bring her out of suspension, and time it so that when she's revived, she's already under the surgeon's hands.
megados 12th Apr 2017, 12:24 AM edit delete reply

Noctis is all stinky? That is too funny! It does seem odd, though, that she would leave Acantha's side for a shower. It is clear that she trusts Ada.

Mirabe's eyes and fangs are visible in panel 2! She looks great, and quite attractive! Nice job, @Centcomm! :D
Gilrandir 12th Apr 2017, 12:28 AM edit delete reply
She's not trusting Ada, since Ada is leaving Acantha as well -- she's trusting the medical team and CentComm's security measures.
megados 12th Apr 2017, 12:33 AM edit delete reply

That is ultimately true, but I don't think she would be doing so without Ada. It seems that her trust in Ada extends to that which Ada trusts. Maybe I'm being too semmantical?

Also, while I'm here, I'll also say that the dialog flows nicely, even as there is a good amount to convey here.
All the Pickles 12th Apr 2017, 12:47 AM edit delete reply

Maybe to some extent, but just one page ago Ada proposed remotely viewing the surgery and Noctis wasn't having any of it. She clearly doesn't trust what Ada trusts too much.
Just_IDD 12th Apr 2017, 8:18 AM edit delete reply
There is a saying in certian circles, "Trust but Verify." Noctis besides essentially being in a diplomatic situation, is probably Expert at reading people. Between the heavy weaponry walking around and the surgeon's manner and the preop cleanup, Noctis has the opportunity for some pre-op cleanup herself now that she has been made aware of it. Once Acantha comes out of surgery there's not going to be any rest for Noctis.
guest1 12th Apr 2017, 10:02 AM edit delete reply
that said,,"Trust but Verify.".. Noctis would check the room an make sure its secure an no one in or out.. for the 20 min..
megados 12th Apr 2017, 9:38 AM edit delete reply

Well, that is somewhat true @All the Pickles, but the only thing that Noctis balked at was the remote feed suggestion. In Noctis' position, that was probably prudent. She takes her guardian role seriously.
HiFranc 12th Apr 2017, 3:55 AM edit delete reply

I think that she's computing the odds of something untoward happening. I suspect that it is hard to fake "accidents" at this stage. If Acantha goes missing then New Rome is declaring war and, if they wanted to do that, they wouldn't have let things go this far.
Stormwind13 12th Apr 2017, 7:14 AM edit delete reply

At this stage if Acantha vanishes, I think CentComm is declaring war! If someone ELSE snatches Acantha from the bowels of 3C they are far too dangerous to allow to live!

As for CentComm snatching Acantha, I can't see it truthfully. I think CentComm has Acantha right where she wants her.
Stormwind13 12th Apr 2017, 9:52 AM edit delete reply

Agreed megados, really good job there on Mirabe CentComm!
The Old Scribe 12th Apr 2017, 12:25 AM edit delete reply

Are they still bathing with water this far in the future? Some Sci-Fi stories have sonic bath chambers that vaporize dirt, blood, dead skin cells, etc. leaving one sparkling clean. I'm not sure if that would work on artifolk like ADA and Noctis though. It might fry their microprocessors or something.
Sheela 12th Apr 2017, 7:06 AM edit delete reply

I think they have both in the Datachasers universe, and that water is the favored way of bathing, but a "sonic shower" is quicker and works on bots with open circuitry. As for Noctis and Ada, I'm sure they're both quite waterproof.

I'm not certain about it though, we'd have to ask the creatrixes about it.
chk 12th Apr 2017, 8:39 AM edit delete reply

Either way, they should be naked.
Ryu Santos 12th Apr 2017, 3:26 PM edit delete reply

With all the naughty bits hidden behind the walls of a shower stall. (Evil chuckle)
Morituri 13th Apr 2017, 6:32 PM edit delete reply
@chk, "Either way they should be naked."

So far I've seen no reason to believe that Noctis isn't naked right now. She has no biological components; there's no need for a more conventional looking skin to wear a catsuit over. Getting a body made to look like she's wearing a catsuit would save her time in the mornings, right? Completely sensible.
Just_IDD 12th Apr 2017, 8:39 AM edit delete reply
Ringworld Engineers by Larry Niven had a really neat way of cleaning up that was essentially their long life process as well. There were two booths next to eachother. You got in one booth. Pressed the button, and were matter-mitted into the next booth minus all of the dead or corrupted cells which were then vacuumed out of the first booth.
knuut 12th Apr 2017, 8:21 PM edit delete reply
I believe you mean 'A World Out Of Time' 1976
megados 12th Apr 2017, 9:44 AM edit delete reply

My guess is that @Sheela is right, and either water, or sonic shower would be fine. I don't think any harm would come to Ada or Noctis.
Centcomm 12th Apr 2017, 10:54 AM edit delete reply

They use plain old water for baths and showers. the amount of sonic energy that would be needed would vibrate the object to jelly.

SO yeah. .. water.
megados 12th Apr 2017, 12:41 PM edit delete reply

Ah, thanks! I was mistaken; I didn't think the sonic shower would hurt 'em.
Speedy Marsh 13th Apr 2017, 1:24 AM edit delete reply
Sonic or Ultrasonic showers probably would not be good for most androids. Their plastic parts could get welded together. (Metal parts could, also, if there was enough sonic/ultrasonic energy)

http://science.howstuffworks.com/ultrasonic-welding.htm

Of course, Noctis wouldn't frown about losing movement in her face. She's always had a stiff upper lip.
megados 13th Apr 2017, 9:27 AM edit delete reply

Ultrasonic welding, however, is direct contact transducer-to-workpiece. I have worked directly with those, and with ultrasonic cleaners (fluid-medium). Both rely on frequencies and amplitudes conducive to their respective applications. Ultrasonic welding relies on frequencies adapted for maximum resonance at the joint to be welded such that maximum friction is obtained, therefore it does not apply here.

In cleaning, one must set a frequency higher than the highest resonant frequency of the smallest components to insure minimal movement, and therefore damage. The theory behind sci-fi sonic showers, is that the fluid medium (air) is excited by a transducer at a high enough frequency to affect debris on a molecular level. That frequency is high enough that it would not affect larger bodies and structures. Humans or androids shouldn't pose any difference, since their respective outer skins would offer sufficient damping at these frequencies. As far as harder inner components are concerned, the frequency, mass, inertia, amplitude, and period of oscillation and harmonics must be calculated.

Science.

In the Datachasers universe, either sonic showers don't exist, or they're dangerous only to androids. If the latter is the case, they are very badly designed, or the engineers did not care about androids. Either way, they could easily be made safe with a firmware upgrade controlling the frequency range, and amplitude. If they don't exist at all, the point is moot.

As far as I'm concerned, when Centcomm or Tokyo Rose define a concept as canon, that is the final word on it, since it is their story they're telling, and I acquiesce.

mjkj 12th Apr 2017, 1:27 AM edit delete reply

Wow, very considerate, doc.

*lol* Ada needs to be blunt... =P

Fairportfan 12th Apr 2017, 3:03 AM edit delete reply

I like Noctis' summation of Acantha's probable reaction.

One begins to suspect Noctis is possessed of a (very dry) sense of humour.
Sheela 12th Apr 2017, 7:07 AM edit delete reply

More dry than moon dust!
Stormwind13 12th Apr 2017, 7:43 AM edit delete reply

We've seen signs of it throughout, Fairport. The more we see of Noctis, the more it peeks out.
megados 12th Apr 2017, 9:06 AM edit delete reply

Yes, Fairportfan, Noctis does have a dry, and somewhat sophisticated sense of humor.
Stormwind13 12th Apr 2017, 7:33 AM edit delete reply

Despite her recent gaffe with the robot, Mirabe is still given a VERY important job. Making sure security arrangements are good for Acantha shows they still value her. And Mirabe snaps back quickly.

Now I have to question if Mirabe is the best person for the job. She is transhuman, which indicates she could be from Nova Roma. If so, she might harbour some resentment towards them.
megados 12th Apr 2017, 9:02 AM edit delete reply

That is an interesting take on it. I had not thought of any reason to mistrust Mirabe.

Yes, she bounced back from her embarrassment quickly! Good to see she didn't dwell on it.
antrik 12th Apr 2017, 10:52 AM edit delete reply
@Stormwind13 ...or they just want her out of their way ;-)
Stormwind13 12th Apr 2017, 11:26 AM edit delete reply

I think it would be too important to give Mirabe as make-work. They shouldn't give it to her, unless they really wanted it done and were confident that Mirabe could handle it.
rfaramir 12th Apr 2017, 12:10 PM edit delete reply
Yeah this is no place for make-work.
But maybe snake-work?

I mean that her snake-senses may have left her vulnerable to surprise by passing robot, but they may also be better than average for detecting bugs, weapons, poisons, leaks/gaps in supposedly airtight spaces. Reason being the tools a snake uses to do its hunting.
Ryu Santos 12th Apr 2017, 2:22 PM edit delete reply

Poor Noctis. All she's gone through since arriving in New Troy; only to be told ureeka.
megados 12th Apr 2017, 7:46 PM edit delete reply

Being told ureeka is probably the worst thing that has happened to her so far. (in New Troy)
Morituri 13th Apr 2017, 6:39 PM edit delete reply
Being treated as a weapon rather than a person, as Centcomm and all her directly controlled robots have been doing from the start, is actually way worse than being told you stink.

The one who tells you, especially without rancor, that you stink is giving you the means to retain your dignity. The one who treats you as a weapon is denying that you are a person deserving of dignity.

However, it's undeniable that Noctis is completely used to being treated as a weapon at home, so this may be a novel experience for her.
Tokyo Rose 13th Apr 2017, 10:21 AM edit delete reply

*distant thudding sounds of head impacting desk*
megados 13th Apr 2017, 5:58 PM edit delete reply

*runs up and slides a mouse pad into the impact zone to cut down the noise, and prevent further damage to the desk*
megados 13th Apr 2017, 7:05 PM edit delete reply

@Morituri, it seemed more like Noctis actually took it as a compliment in seeing how much hardware Centcomm thought she needed. I don't think Noctis was, in any way, offended by that. She specifically stated as such.
KarToon12 12th Apr 2017, 6:06 PM edit delete reply

Is a sexy shower scene in order? XD
chk 12th Apr 2017, 6:14 PM edit delete reply

Yes Kartoon12. Yes it is.
Stormwind13 12th Apr 2017, 6:23 PM edit delete reply

When is a sexy shower scene NOT in order? =D
Sheela 12th Apr 2017, 6:27 PM edit delete reply

When a murderturd is eating you.
megados 12th Apr 2017, 6:43 PM edit delete reply

Experience, Sheela?
Haegan2005 12th Apr 2017, 9:19 PM edit delete reply

Well Sheela, it may be sexy for the murderturd?
chk 12th Apr 2017, 6:42 PM edit delete reply

I would've said never, but Sheela makes a good point.
mjkj 12th Apr 2017, 6:50 PM edit delete reply

Well, @Sheela, that would be a bloody shower...
SeanR 12th Apr 2017, 7:25 PM edit delete reply
I strongly suspect Noctis has about as much surface detail as a Barbie(r) doll.
Sheela 13th Apr 2017, 5:49 PM edit delete reply

No, no, Noctis has already taken a bloody shower ... that's why she needs a regular one now!
Steven-Vincent 12th Apr 2017, 7:07 PM edit delete reply

You know, as I've been reading along I've been doing something without thinking about it consciously: I've been picturing what other characters from other stories (including my own) would think of this world if they were transported to it.

This is the mark of good world-building. If the world were not realistic, it would not be possible to think about this on purpose, let alone by accident.
Centcomm 12th Apr 2017, 10:44 PM edit delete reply

hehe some how i dont think LL would enjoy the DC universe much. especially with how violent it is.

I think it would be fun though! Acantha would get a kick out of Abby.
Steven-Vincent 12th Apr 2017, 11:03 PM edit delete reply

Well the thing with a true hero is, she isn't changed by the world; she changes the world around her. So you never know. ;)
Centcomm 13th Apr 2017, 2:57 AM edit delete reply

So very very true!
Haegan2005 12th Apr 2017, 9:20 PM edit delete reply

And she hosts a weekly RPG in this world. It's more developed then we think I bet.
Gilrandir 12th Apr 2017, 9:52 PM edit delete reply
It may be more developed than is first apparent, @Haegan2005, but is it 'smooth round the bend' or 'fully fleshed out'? ^_^
Haegan2005 12th Apr 2017, 10:47 PM edit delete reply

Considering Romas pov, probably barbie.
Tokyo Rose 13th Apr 2017, 10:23 AM edit delete reply

There's a really strict rule involving that; the comic is the comic and the game is the game. It's like an "alternate universe" setup. Concepts from the game only cross into the comic after I've vetted the shit out of them.
Dragonrider 13th Apr 2017, 12:56 AM edit delete reply

All this discussion about physical features, what she will wear and no one seems to care that she has been separated from her force blade. Even though she is a weapon in and of herself she still needs the blade as her symbol of authority as Acanthas bodyguard. She has a basic trust level with Ada, but has none with Cent Comm and will be very happy to entertain Lynn Taylor as an official representative of New Troy and have as few dealings as possible with Cent.Foresee some interesting times ahead.
Timotheus 13th Apr 2017, 1:33 AM edit delete reply

The only reason Noctis would allow herself to be separated from her force blade this easily is if she views it more as a ceremonial weapon than her primary one. Useful in full combat and fire fights, it isn't her preferred means of offense or defense.
I would suspect her real talents lie in hand to hand, cyber attacks, and probably a weapons system internal to her body that cannot be removed that easily (like Ceecee's) and is waiting to be revealed as a nasty surprise.
rufiangel 13th Apr 2017, 6:15 AM edit delete reply

It's interesting to see how small Nox is next to Ada when they're standing like that. She really packs a LOT of punch for a little package! XD;

I love this whole idea of synth hearts and gene-printed tissue. 'tis all so cool <3

Acantha, live my dear, live!
Stormwind13 13th Apr 2017, 7:40 AM edit delete reply

Um, of course Nox is short, rufiangel... She was a head shorter after encountering Dolly.

Noctis on the other hand is far smaller than her (well deserved) TOWERING reputation. It is a 6" (15 cm) difference on the cast page between Ada and Noctis.
Tokyo Rose 13th Apr 2017, 10:31 AM edit delete reply

I'm personally very excited about the innovative applications being found for 3D printing technology, especially as it relates to medicine. Being able to replicate and structure a patient's own cells to build new, healthy, functional organs as replacements for diseased or damaged ones would be an incredible leap.

Cent's situation in the past year has brought that home in a serious way. Her triple bypass employed blood-vessel grafts harvested from her own leg to cut out the chance of tissue rejection--BUT, after nearly 40 fucking years of heavy smoking, that harvested vessel was extremely thin (remember, kids: nicotine's a fucking vasoconstrictor!), and one of the grafts has actually closed up already (but the cardiologist was able to clear and reopen her RCA instead), while the other two have had to have stents inserted to stabilize them. If the technology existed to 3D-print graftable vessels of a healthy diameter and condition, the situation would likely be quite different.
megados 13th Apr 2017, 11:15 AM edit delete reply

Oh hell yeah, Tokyo Rose! I love seeing new tech, and 3D printing in particular. Someone I know has one, because he's 'that guy' and I have seen it work, and some of the stuff it can make. It's cool as hell. I have also seen articles and videos on 3D organ printing, and that blows my mind. I really hope that research can stay funded and keep moving forward. It will be a bigger life saver than organ donation.

This is probably the most detail I have heard about Centcomm's situation. I'm very glad she was able to quit smoking. That was the single best move she could make.

*hugs Centcomm*
Stormwind13 13th Apr 2017, 5:05 PM edit delete reply

Agreed megados. Terri (FINALLY) did the best thing for herself by quitting. Only took nearly dying to get her to quit! :-p

The world of 3D printing is amazing and seems to be getting MORE incredible every day. I'm with Rose in hoping they can get it where they can actually make the parts people need. Not have them dependent on donors and problematical matching.
megados 13th Apr 2017, 5:45 PM edit delete reply

But wait, there's more! If you get to where you can print biological replacements, you also get the ability to print many of the biological and other components needed for the creation of the very androids found here in Data Chasers! What's not to like about that?

Right now though, there are a lot of people who need this technology to happen.
Sheela 13th Apr 2017, 5:53 PM edit delete reply

Heck, even without 3d printing, growing tissue will become an advance all of it's own ... imagine a nice beef that had been grown in a vat, instead of ripped out of a dead animal ?

There's an awful lot of animal abuse going on in the name of efficiency, it would be nice to see some of it go away.
megados 13th Apr 2017, 6:01 PM edit delete reply

Excellent point, Sheela! In the end, that should turn out to be the more efficient option, too!
guest1 13th Apr 2017, 7:26 PM edit delete reply
..soylent green...
Tokyo Rose 13th Apr 2017, 8:54 PM edit delete reply

If we didn't breed them for food, those species would not exist at all... and not being a psychotic PETA-style asshole, the idea of killing them off en masse does not appeal to me in any way.

"You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed."
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

That said, I would prefer to see our food animals treated with as much care and respect for their well-being as possible, because healthy animals turn out better food products.
megados 13th Apr 2017, 9:37 PM edit delete reply

I am not advocating for killing them all off, nor am I proposing extinction for them. If growing meat protein were suddenly a thing, it would take a long time to make any kind of transition. During that, animals raised and kept for food would be reduced through attrition, sure, but they wouldn't or couldn't be allowed to go extinct; they would still be needed for DNA variety. As much as we would like them to be treated with care and respect, presently and sadly, you and I both know, very few of them actually are. If a smaller number existed for genetic diversity, those would probably would get the kind of concern for their well being that we all would like to see. Meanwhile it may be possible to get better food production without things like routine antibiotics, the huge carbon footprint, and the energy costs and expenditures that go into it, to name a few.

I'm not a PETA member either, but I do think there could be a better answer to it all than what there is now.

You invoked the quote yourself: you are responsible for what you have tamed. . . so let's start being responsible.
Just_IDD 13th Apr 2017, 10:38 PM edit delete reply
Since we are all taking about Terri in the 3rd person even though she is still here, I'm glad the other option to stop completely was left on the table. By stopping, I mean Full-Stop.
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