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Comic 1564 - Implications

15th Nov 2017, 12:00 AM
Implications
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dpallee 15th Nov 2017, 12:15 AM edit delete reply

Nice dialogue...great job.
Centcomm 15th Nov 2017, 12:48 AM edit delete reply

Thank you! you are too kind!
Tokyo Rose 15th Nov 2017, 6:18 PM edit delete reply

Why thank you :)
Sheela 15th Nov 2017, 8:43 PM edit delete reply

Ha ha, yeah you can almost hear the disdain in the Setorius' voice in that last panel.

"Is it? How nice for you." :D
rufiangel 15th Nov 2017, 12:21 AM edit delete reply

"Senator... I've-forgotten-your-name-as-well" made me giggle XD I like ya, Axinian!
Centcomm 15th Nov 2017, 12:49 AM edit delete reply

I must admit hes turned out much more likable than he was planned to. >_>
DLKmusic 15th Nov 2017, 12:59 AM edit delete reply

We all decided we liked the archpriest at the palace dinner party. The guy is awesome!

I think they wanted him to be "Creepier than a sack full of scorpions", but they kind of missed their mark. Half of us are willing to dig up corpses for the guy if he asks for them!
SeanR 15th Nov 2017, 11:01 AM edit delete reply
Or maybe suffocate transients with a pillow in a cheap hotel, and shove them in a pickle barrel for him.
Centcomm 15th Nov 2017, 12:50 PM edit delete reply

heh.. hey wait ewwww
Sheela 15th Nov 2017, 6:28 PM edit delete reply

We have not done this, and if we have, you have no evidence of this!

*paw wave*
This is not the doggy you're looking for!
Guest 20th Nov 2017, 11:12 AM edit delete reply
I should have left this link when I left that last comment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burke_and_Hare_murders
SeanR 20th Nov 2017, 11:18 AM edit delete reply
Whoops. Forgot to include my name, this time.
Ictuan 15th Nov 2017, 11:08 PM edit delete reply
We need some kind of bot that can auto-post links to previous pages that get referenced. Like the dinner party DLKmusic mentioned for example.
DLKmusic 16th Nov 2017, 12:34 AM edit delete reply

Sorry, Ictuan. Dinner party starts Here: Dinner Party part 1

and ends with Kyle getting shot 3 times in the chest, about 12 strips later
Ictuan 16th Nov 2017, 9:08 PM edit delete reply
Heh, in the final pane of DLKmusic's link,the lining up of objects makes it look like Decimus has a plunger on his head.
Sheela 19th Nov 2017, 5:37 AM edit delete reply

LOL Ictuan, you're right. :D
antrik 19th Nov 2017, 11:24 AM edit delete reply
Very appropriate ;-)
That one guy 16th Nov 2017, 12:16 AM edit delete reply
Decimus really skews your axis of comparison, though. With Decimus holding down the far end of unlikable, "Creepier than a sack full of scorpions" is only a few pixels away from cuddly.
DLKmusic 21st Nov 2017, 7:56 PM edit delete reply

True story, That One Guy!
cattservant 15th Nov 2017, 12:22 AM edit delete reply

Three steps ahead...
Lurker 15th Nov 2017, 12:36 AM edit delete reply
Deftly derailing the derailment. Well done, indeed.
Centcomm 15th Nov 2017, 12:49 AM edit delete reply

yep!
megados 15th Nov 2017, 12:46 AM edit delete reply
And the cats still resist herding. I can almost see Maxus doing a facepalm . . . almost. :D

I agree with the alt text. His dialog is great!

Centcomm 15th Nov 2017, 12:49 AM edit delete reply

yes.. these guys arent as cuddly as cats though..
Just_IDD 15th Nov 2017, 10:00 AM edit delete reply
As cuddly as Bobcats. Although not as cuddly as Bobcat Goldthwait.
Guest 15th Nov 2017, 10:05 AM edit delete reply
Cuddly as adult bobcats maybe.
megados 15th Nov 2017, 11:57 AM edit delete reply
Cuddly Senators? XD That's a weirdly funny thought.

Strictly by looks, there's a varying degree of cuddly-ness there! :D (but probably not much overall)
Centcomm 15th Nov 2017, 12:52 PM edit delete reply

well i guess if you are into bald men.. i wonder who would play him as far as actors go, I always saw him as peter cushing.. but hes passed now.
megados 15th Nov 2017, 1:51 PM edit delete reply
LOL! I didn't mean Setorius specifically, just an overview of the 8 who are there. XD

That said though, Peter Cushing would have probably made a great Setorius.
Sheela 15th Nov 2017, 8:29 PM edit delete reply

I'm thinking someone like Mark Strong would be perfect.
I think he would be a great Setorious as he could probably sneer at someone without moving his face, while asking for the salt, and still come off as a refined gentleman.

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He has this odd sophisticated air to him, that would make him suited as a Bond Villain - OR - Mr. Bond himself
megados 15th Nov 2017, 8:40 PM edit delete reply
Hmmm, someone a little differently fitting those particular qualifications might be Patrick Stewart. I think he could pull off a convincing Setorius.
Sheela 15th Nov 2017, 8:57 PM edit delete reply

Yeah, but Patrick Stewart is getting really quite old.

I imagine Setorius would have that "undefined-late-middle-age" look, that some men have. And Patrick .. doesn't have it anymore. Someone like Vladimir Putin still has it (at age 65 no less), but he will loose it soon and turn REAL OLD !
megados 15th Nov 2017, 9:29 PM edit delete reply
Yeah, he is getting older, but he still cleans up well. :D When he's clean-shaven, he doesn't look his 77 years, and if he wears the sun glasses . . .

The funny thing is, Putin does look a little like Setorius! :D
Ictuan 15th Nov 2017, 11:15 PM edit delete reply
I'd expect an archpriest to be much older,so Patric Stewart would certainly be on the shortlist and he does have the scifi cred, but can he pull off the acidic personality that you just want to hate but keep cheering for?
Tokyo Rose 16th Nov 2017, 6:10 PM edit delete reply

Wow, shit, yeah, Mark Strong might be able to pull it off surprisingly well.
DLKmusic 16th Nov 2017, 12:20 AM edit delete reply

if you could get him to shave his head, I would vote for Jeffrey Jones... He was the Austrian Emperor in Amadeus, and the Principal in Ferris Beuller
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He has the right amount of aloofness to do the role properly
Ictuan 16th Nov 2017, 9:10 PM edit delete reply
Ya, Jeffrey Jones could be a good choice.
Centcomm 17th Nov 2017, 12:46 PM edit delete reply

wow Mark strong really has the " look" he just needs sunglasses

Jeffery Jones also might work but he looks young.
DLKmusic 17th Nov 2017, 9:18 PM edit delete reply

gotta remember @cent, this picture was taken from the movie Amadeus in 1984. I used it so everyone would know who I was talking about.

This is what he looks like now, and he would need to shave his head and beard, but he has definitely aged:
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Centcomm 19th Nov 2017, 11:08 PM edit delete reply

yes he has .. :D
Ictuan 15th Nov 2017, 11:10 PM edit delete reply
Not so much herding cats as being the substitute teacher for a class of 5th graders. "did so, did not, did so, did not...."
Sheela 16th Nov 2017, 9:32 PM edit delete reply

The problem with finding an actor for Setorius, is that while he is old, he looks much younger, or as the cast page says "there aren't many 80-year-olds who look no more than 30", so someone like Patrick Steward would look too old.
Heck, the image of Mark strong is from when he was 52 I think.

I think what Setorious would look like in real life, is that undefinable "early, to middle" middle age bracket, where men can be very hard to pinpoint their age.

As for Vladimir Putin, while he's not an actor and he has a weird chin, he does have that slightly haughty look that comes from wearing the mantle of power for a long time, plus he's always so damn serious !
It's not that he doesn't have a humor, it's just that he uses it so rarely - And when he does, it's so very dry.
Something I would imagine Setorius would do too.

As for Jeffrey Jones, I love him as an actor, but his facial features may be too strong for a role as Setorius, who's actually has fairly delicate facial features, but I'm sure he could get his attitude right.

Charles Dance is another actor who would have been great for the role, if it wasn't because of his advanced age.
mjkj 17th Nov 2017, 10:19 AM edit delete reply

What about Vin Diesel?
megados 17th Nov 2017, 10:59 AM edit delete reply
I dunno, Vin Diesel strikes me as more 'action character' than Setorius seems to be. (But he did occur to me also :D)
Sheela 18th Nov 2017, 5:54 PM edit delete reply

Vin Diesel don't look *anything* like Ol' man Setorius ! >_<
Centcomm 20th Nov 2017, 12:01 PM edit delete reply

Yeh Diesel also has too much of a rounded face for old man set.
Centcomm 20th Nov 2017, 12:00 PM edit delete reply

Actually i pinned Charles Dance as Setorius's voice actor if DC were animated.
Sheela 20th Nov 2017, 5:26 PM edit delete reply

Gotta give it to Charles Dance, he's quite good at being Stern and Serious !
megados 20th Nov 2017, 5:41 PM edit delete reply
That's interesting and cool that you mention that, @Centcomm. That gives readers an idea of how you guys envision him sounding. :D
Centcomm 20th Nov 2017, 12:00 PM edit delete reply

Actually i pinned Charles Dance as Setorius's voice actor if DC were animated.
mjkj 15th Nov 2017, 3:02 AM edit delete reply

*lol* Setorius definitely is the winner =) (@alt text) ;)

Centcomm 15th Nov 2017, 12:52 PM edit delete reply

Yes he is!
Ebonbolt 19th Nov 2017, 8:26 PM edit delete reply

Victory through failure to lose… or care.
CptKerion 15th Nov 2017, 3:05 AM edit delete reply
I love Setorius so much right now.
I knew he'd be up there on my favorites list.
Maxus, Setorius, and Athena are my top three at the moment.
Centcomm 15th Nov 2017, 12:53 PM edit delete reply

Hehe. thats good to know!
HiFranc 15th Nov 2017, 3:31 AM edit delete reply

If this is what he’s like now, the one who questioned Max’s humanity, I can see him being a problem in the future.
DLKmusic 15th Nov 2017, 4:04 AM edit delete reply

I can see both of them being a problem in the future, HiFranc! I want to appoint Setorius Axinian to the office of Publican though... Maybe that will keep the jackals in check!

Centcomm 15th Nov 2017, 12:54 PM edit delete reply

The Church is its own office .. he cant be a member of the senate because he already is for the church.
Centcomm 15th Nov 2017, 12:53 PM edit delete reply

you know what they say about politicians.
Sheela 15th Nov 2017, 8:32 PM edit delete reply

No, what do they say about politicians ?

Is it something yummy ?
Is it something interesting ?

Like, those politicians would make great test subjects ? :D
DLKmusic 16th Nov 2017, 12:10 AM edit delete reply

what do they say about politicians? hmmmmm....

They say that you can tell when a politician is lying when you see his lips move...

They say that the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, and an honest politician all have something in common... None of them actually exist...

They say that the difference between a dead snake on the road and a dead politician on the road is that there are skid marks by the snake...

They say a lot of other stuff, but I'm trying to keep my posts family friendly.
antrik 16th Nov 2017, 10:39 AM edit delete reply
Weird, I know all of these with "lawyer" rather than "politician"...
DLKmusic 16th Nov 2017, 5:21 PM edit delete reply

interestingly enough, Antik, I used to work for a probate lawyer that was as honest as the day is long...
mjkj 17th Nov 2017, 10:21 AM edit delete reply

Hmm, Sheela, was it not, that politicians make good tuna?
Sheela 18th Nov 2017, 2:12 PM edit delete reply

I wouldn't know, we ran out of Politicians when people could trade one in for free, along with a lawyer.

They got Skittles in return. :D
megados 18th Nov 2017, 4:04 PM edit delete reply
Well I gotta admit, that's a pretty enticing offer! :D
CptKerion 15th Nov 2017, 3:33 AM edit delete reply
Some Setorius themed plays on words because I'm tired and loopy.

Setorius is Bestorius
Setorius phasers to "burn!"
Setorius in their place

Yep. Those were terrible. While you're all busy groaning, I will make my exit before the torches and pitchforks start rightfully coming out.
Sheela 15th Nov 2017, 8:34 PM edit delete reply

But it's so dark in here !!

*lights torches with phaser*
Besides, pitchforks are so outdated, phasers have better range, and you don't run very fast! *pew* *pew* :D
antrik 15th Nov 2017, 10:01 PM edit delete reply
On the other hand, there is something uniquely satisfying in applying raw mechanical force to an object of hate... ;-)
DLKmusic 15th Nov 2017, 4:01 AM edit delete reply

Based on the previous page, I thought it would be Calavius who would be the one to watch for, and admittedly the jury is still out on him, but I wasn't expecting Pedius to be such a putz!

Politicians... Some things will never change, I suppose...
Gilrandir 15th Nov 2017, 10:33 AM edit delete reply
Setorius Axinian = I Rout Insane Axis. ^_^

ALSO

Setorius Axinian = In Anxious Satire, except Setorius is never anxious.
Sheela 15th Nov 2017, 8:36 PM edit delete reply

No, but the satire is anxious that Setorius will do "experiments" on it.
guest1 15th Nov 2017, 10:56 AM edit delete reply
ok.? WHO is the red head in the room (panel 2 & 3) and WHY is she there..???
an only 3 of the screens are live , the rest are avatars..
? and Pedius wodn't happen to be deaf.??
megados 15th Nov 2017, 12:54 PM edit delete reply
If I had to guess, (which is what I have to do), I would say the redhead is a comm. specialist or operator or something like that.
guest1 15th Nov 2017, 1:21 PM edit delete reply
nuu Tennyo is the Comm specialist..
guest1 15th Nov 2017, 1:28 PM edit delete reply
page 1453 "Clarification."
megados 15th Nov 2017, 1:38 PM edit delete reply
Tennyo is the Cassians' comm. specialist. I don't think she does general communications.
Guest 21st Nov 2017, 2:11 PM edit delete reply
just FYI ,, my partner was a Military Comm specialist and did general comm's also,, HAD to know the general very well to do the special.!!
soo im guessing Tennyo did not git involved in the comm's so if Maxius needed her for something else..
Centcomm 15th Nov 2017, 1:57 PM edit delete reply

Shes a comm tech. Shes setting up the conference call. readers might have seen her elsewhere too.
Thomas 15th Nov 2017, 12:31 PM edit delete reply
Is anyone else having trouble remembering who is who?
DLKmusic 15th Nov 2017, 12:57 PM edit delete reply

The ones who have participated so far:
1: Senator Fabian (2nd screen on top row), who has been more of a moderator than anything in the past two pages,
2: Setorius Axinian, (4th panel top row) High Priest and Current Snark-Meister General... and also currently my hero!
3: Senator Calavius (3rd panel bottom row), a supporter of Decimus Livius' expansion policies: He is pushing for the state funeral
4: Senator Pedius, (Avatar is unidentified) an opponent to Decimus's policies and the current Chief Putz in the room... the one who denigrated Maxus.
megados 16th Nov 2017, 12:28 PM edit delete reply
Tedious Pedius can go jump off a bridge. :/
DLKmusic 17th Nov 2017, 2:00 AM edit delete reply

@megados: I would expect that if Pedius had been isolated and the situation be discussed with him without Calavius around, he would probably be a lot more reasonable on the subject.

Unfortunately, this is something that is proposed by his political enemy, therefore, he's being contrarian on principle. Calavius is for it, therefore I'm against it. If Calavius says the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, I will grab my compass and confirm that before I will be willing to accept it as a fact.

Yeeeeeeeaaaaahhhh..... Politics.

Please note, @Cent and @Rose, that I tried very hard to make these points about politics without mentioning anyone in Real life or taking sides on any modern political subject, and I also appreciate how no-one else has either!
megados 17th Nov 2017, 10:39 AM edit delete reply
You may be entirely correct, @DLKmusic. I lost a certain amount of respect for Pedius, though, when he brought Maxus' hereditary background into the argument.
Tokyo Rose 15th Nov 2017, 6:23 PM edit delete reply

It's actually supposed to be a little confusing; conference calls often are. When I originally wrote the script, I didn't even put names on most of it, but I meant there to be at least half a dozen speakers. In real life, however, you can at least hear different voices and tell them apart that way. Doesn't work so well in text. (If it was a conference call of androids, it'd be MUCH easier to pull off, what with the different colors, but these are all meatbags.)
guest1 15th Nov 2017, 7:59 PM edit delete reply
@Tokyo Rose : you have 5 known now,, and 2 of the comments could have been by others,, so i wood say seven speakers hit your quota +1 :)
D_Minus_Jedi 16th Nov 2017, 10:10 AM edit delete reply
You could change the fonts or speech bubble shapes and borders between speakers, or just indicate which speaker is which by prefacing their name in the bubble.

*Pedius*- "Should the Head of the Church be here for these discussions?"
*Snark-Meister*- "I have no intent on leaving this conversation unfinished, Senators."

And so on.
CptKerion 16th Nov 2017, 5:53 PM edit delete reply
Thought, probably a dumb thought, but still a thought. Would slightly different fonts work to that effect for meatbags?
Ictuan 15th Nov 2017, 11:20 PM edit delete reply
My character memory is so bad Rose could take a tertiary character, put them in different clothes, and reintroduce them as a different character and I wouldn't notice they were someone else the previous day.
Tokyo Rose 16th Nov 2017, 6:12 PM edit delete reply

@Ictuan

TV show producers would love you. :D
Ictuan 16th Nov 2017, 9:11 PM edit delete reply
@Rose, I grew up with MASH, they recycled actors constantly.
Sheela 16th Nov 2017, 9:38 PM edit delete reply

LOL, that is actually pretty funny.

That said, I rather enjoyed the MASH series.
Even if it was a bit .. propagandized.
Boren 15th Nov 2017, 8:49 PM edit delete reply
Politics
from the Greek Poly meaning meany, and Ticks meaning blood sucking vermin
:D
Ebonbolt 15th Nov 2017, 8:54 PM edit delete reply

Setorius… is a jerk. But at least he's remarkably egalitarian about his jerkdom.
Rigor 15th Nov 2017, 11:21 PM edit delete reply
You have to love Setorius. Because if you don't, he won't care.
ge2org 15th Nov 2017, 11:07 PM edit delete reply

now i really want to see a hat rack rulling new rome
Centcomm 21st Nov 2017, 10:10 PM edit delete reply

LOL
Siren 16th Nov 2017, 2:28 AM edit delete reply
Setorious certainly didn't mean to imply he cared about anyone's names. If he cared to know, he'd know.
Some Ed 16th Nov 2017, 11:42 AM edit delete reply
Knowing people somewhat like Setorious... The two senators are Nova Roma citizens, therefore church patients. I'd be willing to bet he knows their names just fine - he remembers them by their medical ailments. But he really does not want to acknowledge that knowledge. Basically, it's a statement of, "You've not shown yourself sufficiently worthy for me to admit I know you."
Sheela 16th Nov 2017, 9:39 PM edit delete reply

Oh, I have no doubt that he can remember their names.
He's just being a bit antagonistic.
Rashala 16th Nov 2017, 3:16 AM edit delete reply

I only have one comment here and imagine maximus shares it




*Facepalm*
megados 16th Nov 2017, 6:11 PM edit delete reply
Hehe, yeah, probably.
Timotheus 16th Nov 2017, 3:43 AM edit delete reply

Setorious is without a doubt the somewhat mad genius sort (ala Tesla). He is quite confident he is much smarter than anyone he is dealing with, but is inclined to be polite and interested in the opinions of those he finds intelligent and competent in their own fields. Those who are not are are beneath his notice except as tools or perhaps playthings.
Centcomm 16th Nov 2017, 10:57 AM edit delete reply

Tools.. Set doesnt need playthings..
Sheela 16th Nov 2017, 9:41 PM edit delete reply

But he might need some playthings for his experiments.

Then again, he might not, but then they might be useful as, uhm, "bodies of study".
Guest 21st Nov 2017, 10:53 AM edit delete reply
With the right mindset, tools are playthings, and work is play.
I suspect that Setorious truly loves his job.

But then, saying "tools and playthings" becomes redundant.
Fafhred 16th Nov 2017, 10:59 AM edit delete reply

Personally, I have a fundamental objection to the stupid notion of respect being 'owed'.

Respect is EARNED on merits and actions, NEVER owed for being born with, or given, a status.

Anyone telling you that they 'deserve' respect due to their position alone, are not likely to be deserving any.
megados 16th Nov 2017, 11:32 AM edit delete reply
FWIW, I agree. A person has to he respectable to gain respect. Here, it seems to be a discussion about respect for the man versus respect for the office. Calavius is making the point that the funeral is out of respect for the position, (head of state), rather than the man (Decimus), even though he appears to be a Decimus supporter.
Fafhred 17th Nov 2017, 1:56 AM edit delete reply

@Megados: you entirely missed my point; I do not accept the notion of respect being 'owed' for a position rather than the merits of the individual holding that position.
megados 17th Nov 2017, 10:30 AM edit delete reply
Apologies, @Fafhred, I did miss your point. I believe it boils down to what one defines the respect for a position to be. Certainly, it cannot be the same as it is for a person. Respect for a position, is more like an acknowledgement of the importance of that position. Head of state is an important position, whether or not the person holding it is a respectable person. Because of that, there are certain traditions that would follow, such as the funeral, which (IMO) should be held, regardless of one's opinion of Decimus. I don't think (at least in my case), that regard for a position automatically translates to regard for the person holding it. It would be misguided to assume that a person deserves respect by simply being the holder of a particular position.

In a broader sense, Decimus did not deserve the respect of the people of New Rome, but the position of Head of State does not change in importance. If it did, then when the holder of that position changes, their role would be diluted, even as someone like Acantha takes the throne.

*edit: It seems as though most people, whether consciously, or unconsciously separate the two: When one says "Decimus is unfit to be head of state", a comparison is made, saying Decimus does not live up to the high standards and expectations of someone who should hold that office; it is automatically inferred that the position is held in a higher regard than the man.
Tokyo Rose 16th Nov 2017, 6:17 PM edit delete reply

This reminds me of something I've seen mentioned on message boards.

"Respecting" someone can mean "treating them like a person". "Respecting" someone can also mean "treating them like an authority".

Sometimes people say "if you won't respect me, I won't respect you" and what they actually mean is "if you won't treat me like an authority, I won't treat you like a person", and these people are generally assholes.
Ictuan 16th Nov 2017, 9:13 PM edit delete reply
@Rose, that is the best summary of "respecting" I've ever seen.
Sheela 16th Nov 2017, 9:45 PM edit delete reply

Erg, I once got into a bad neighbourhood, where some black dudes told me that I should show them respect.
So I told them that they had to earn my respect first.
That didn't go well with them at all.
Luckily, I had brought friends, of the veteran kind, and they knew all sorts of stuff about respect. :)
Hornet 17th Nov 2017, 9:42 AM edit delete reply
That always bothers me, and is probably one of the biggest problems with today's society, because it's backwards. You should be free to give respect, until someone gives you a reason not to.
antrik 17th Nov 2017, 11:42 AM edit delete reply
@Sheela wait, there are bad neighbourhoods in Denmark?... ;-)
Hornet 17th Nov 2017, 12:26 PM edit delete reply
If there weren't, there are since Merkel.
Sheela 18th Nov 2017, 2:14 PM edit delete reply

Well, they do exist.
Though the incident happened on a trip to the United States.
Ebonbolt 19th Nov 2017, 9:01 PM edit delete reply

@Rose: You are, unfortunately, correct on the "respect me"/"respect you" thing. Insisting on "respect" has too ambiguous a definition in modern English. What most people really should offer to everyone (& moderators should be demanding) is courtesy.
@Gilrandir: That's a very interesting perspective. It also reinforces my prior statement.
@Fafhred: While I do agree that most of those making demands for respect are often the least deserving, I think having respect for a position, regardless of who currently holds it, is a good & proper thing. That way, we work harder to make sure that the person who holds the position is worthy of the respect we have for the office itself. When they don't, it hurts both the position and everything & everyone associated with it.
DLKmusic 21st Nov 2017, 2:22 PM edit delete reply

... what Ebonbolt said!
Gilrandir 21st Nov 2017, 3:10 PM edit delete reply
I think 'courtesy', as you use the term @Ebonbolt, is synonymous with @Tokyo Rose's 'respect' in the sense of 'treat like a person'. I am not, therefore, disagreeing with you in any way and I concur that a careful and consistent use of the terms in that way could provide a useful disambiguation. But some people will inevitably resist adjustments to their personal lexicons, while others find the ambiguity, and the resultant drama and chaos attending thereon, to be too useful and desirable to easily surrender. ^_^

("Please insert twenty-five cents to receive another multi-syllabic, obscure, and complicated-sounding word. Thank you.")
Ebonbolt 21st Nov 2017, 5:51 PM edit delete reply

@Gilrandir: To a point, courtesy & "respect as a person" are somewhat synonymous, but only to a point. I am often rude as hell to my friends, but only because I know they won't take it badly. This isn't disrespect, it's familiarity. That said, it is harder to be disrespectful while maintaining proper courtesy, and harder to be (or sound) respectful while ignoring courtesy. I much prefer precision in language (for a number of reasons), but you are undoubtedly correct that a number of people prefer ambiguous definitions & language in order to promote their own agenda. That's one of the reasons for my opinion on the use of courtesy in communication.
Gilrandir 22nd Nov 2017, 12:47 AM edit delete reply
Informality and banter aren't necessarily discourteous. Etiquette tells us the rules change in different settings and among different company. I suspect you may be establishing a false equivalency to suggest that 'formal manners' are the only form of 'courtesy' there is. However, English is a language full of nuance and shades of meaning. I believe I take yours and that we are in, as they say 'violent agreement'. ^_^
DLKmusic 21st Nov 2017, 7:49 PM edit delete reply

***Drops two quarters in the slot***

gimme 8 syllables, big word machine! I KNOW you can do it!
Gilrandir 22nd Nov 2017, 12:44 AM edit delete reply
Antidisestablishmentarianism is the commonplace response, but you may prefer ultra-paronomasiac.
Gilrandir 17th Nov 2017, 5:43 PM edit delete reply
My take on respect is rather different, and it applies no matter which of @Tokyo Rose's interpretations apply. (By the way, a very perspicacious observation there, @Tokyo Rose. Thank you for sharing it.)

Respect is never owed, and can never be earned. It is only ever given. The best one can do is strive to be worthy of respect. If one is worthy of respect, and someone else chooses to withhold it anyway, that is their choice and their responsibility, and no failing of yours.

But respect is all about the actions of another person towards yourself, and if you believe you can earn their respect, that suggests you believe that, under certain circumstances, you can earn the right to control their actions. And, for me, that's the first step down a slippery slope I prefer to avoid.
Lurker314 18th Jan 2018, 10:27 PM edit delete reply
Sadly, I missed this discussion when it was first had. There is a term in the military, "salute the bars", "the oak leaf", "the eagle", or "the stars". If you are brave, you can be really obnoxious about it.

The point is that certain courtesies of rank and position cannot be omitted without endangering the respect for the institution as a whole. But just like saluting the stars, there are a number of things that can be done in the context of a state funeral that would indicate that his conduct is not approved.
Boren 20th Nov 2017, 3:45 PM edit delete reply

I think the arch priest is bringing new meaning to the phrase "sarcasm is a scalpel"
Sheela 20th Nov 2017, 5:22 PM edit delete reply

It's not a bad thing, unless he tries to do surgery with it. >_<
Guest 21st Nov 2017, 11:25 AM edit delete reply
Not even that much of a fan of his wrestling days but I just can't help myself.

What's your name?

Ti...

It doesn't matter what your name is!
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