Comic 1709 - Overwatch

9th Sep 2020, 12:00 AM
Overwatch
Average Rating: 5 (14 votes)

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Centcomm 14th Sep 2020, 10:15 AM edit delete
Centcomm
I'm sorry i really love you guys but we don't allow any real world politics on the page. so we maintain a zero tolerance policy, bitch about the prince or cent comm but please.. for the love of all that's holy don't mention anything to do with the real world socio political situation.
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mjkj 9th Sep 2020, 12:21 AM edit delete reply

Oh, all gone???

*lol* does not want to be with a Cassian =P

@alt text: indeed...
Phopebe 9th Sep 2020, 3:02 PM edit delete reply
A Cassian does not want to be with a Maxus! :D
Ryu Santos 9th Sep 2020, 12:33 AM edit delete reply

Maximus: Is there a problem Cassian Ophelia?
Ophelia: No sir.
Maximus: Good. After your debrief, I'd like you to join my staff in the recreation room. We'll binge watching the latest season of Galactic Frontiers.
Ebonbolt 12th Sep 2020, 2:24 PM edit delete reply

Ophelia: Ergh.
HiFranc 9th Sep 2020, 1:05 AM edit delete reply

No tracks when the attackers1 exited the area? I suspect that their shields wiped tracks clean.

More worrying is the fact that there doesn’t seem to be any blood or small pieces of the tanks. That suggests to me that nanobots made sure that everything was used. Are there any left behind to consume any pursuers? Could the investigation team bring them back to New Rome?


1 Presumably the team and the tanks were used to make more of those
megados 9th Sep 2020, 4:58 AM edit delete reply

These aren't ordinary scavvers, I'm thinking. Stuff's gone right down to the molecular level? I wonder how granular their sensors' detection level goes. At that speed it might not be enough.

Re: Alt text, yes, it is kind of spooky.

I really like the cloud cover scenes/panels!
robnot 9th Sep 2020, 8:03 AM edit delete reply
ok scan teck, is good.. but not that good.. ,, and they said nothing about blood...
so, the scavys took all teck, an organics.. unless they flew, (possible) there are tracks,, but not ones wing is looking for..
IE: "they came by car,, {no car} had to leave by car.!" no one told them the car was disassembled an 'walked' out...
Sheela 21st Sep 2020, 5:20 AM edit delete reply

Hovertanks are a thing, so presumable, hover trucks are as well.
Those would not leave tracks, good for covert operations.
Gilrandir 9th Sep 2020, 8:09 AM edit delete reply
It is difficult to imagine any kind of motivation our mystery entities could have for what we are seeing. One can easily imagine harvesting the tanks and other metal equipment for tech resources and raw materials — even if the tech is markedly inferior, refined Titanium is refined Titanium, rare earths are rare earths etc. And taking the good stuff, leaving the worthless bio-matter behind.

It is easy to imagine the harvesting the precious bio-matter. Long-chain, complex organic molecules with a wealth of information encoded at the molecular level. It is even plausible to imagine such super-advanced creatures so desperately hungry they would consume both in massive quantities. ...

But then, why leave the buildings? If you have magic nanofab, there has to be at least as much useful material to be had by pulping a residence as there is a resident. It seems far more likely a sanitized battlefield like this is not so much about what is being carried away as what is being left behind. Or not left behind in this case. Specifically, not leaving any intelligence behind for the enemy to process, which implies a paranoia and hostility level far greater than you would want to see with their tech advantage.

Eagerly awaiting the further unfolding of events.
Some Ed 9th Sep 2020, 9:58 AM edit delete reply
Yeah, this.

They're taking everything they fight, down to the smallest piece. Apart from Skeeter, which seems to be the oddest omission.

It's possible they're taking everything of what they feel is worth scavenging, but that still makes it interesting that the buildings aren't worth scavenging. I seem to recall the base that Ophelia had been hit in had a fairly large quantity of refined materials. Sure, once they're mixed together and molded, they may be a bit less refined, but recycling that stuff is still probably more efficient than starting out with crude oil.
megados 9th Sep 2020, 10:30 AM edit delete reply

I would suppose the decision on leaving the buildings would depend on their actual composition? They might not be made of as useful a material as we think they are.
Oldarmourer 9th Sep 2020, 11:57 AM edit delete reply

SKEETER might have been classed the same as Feelie...'sufficiently neutralized'
Maybe some tech is too hazardous to recover ?
Like Feelie's 'bang pack' or SKEETER's unexpended but damaged and possibly unstable fusion grenades ?
Mind you, they did take the 'tank' but maybe it's weapons were only energy based and not explosive ?
DLKmusic 9th Sep 2020, 8:30 PM edit delete reply

I might be a minority of 1 on this, but even now when I go back and look at the "tank", the cannon on it looks more like a battering ram...

Recalling the comment "it's an APC with Delusions of Grandeur" also confirms my minority opinion.
Oldarmourer 13th Sep 2020, 8:26 AM edit delete reply

Armed APC's are very handy to have...especially if the opposition doesn't have any.
DLKmusic 13th Sep 2020, 10:33 AM edit delete reply

agreed, and it would have been appropriate armament for what they thought they would be going against.
robnot 10th Sep 2020, 7:37 AM edit delete reply
taking weapons,, in desert storm,, we took any an all that could be useful , an blew up that we could not take..
an in gaming,, i tend to strip every thing, so as not to be used against me.. ("it's got one round." then ill use it wisely..)
DLKmusic 13th Sep 2020, 10:35 AM edit delete reply

@robnot: From what I understand, this is SOP, and a VERY practical tactic, in Any age.
robnot 14th Sep 2020, 9:52 AM edit delete reply
..but i keep getting weird looks from the other characters ,, wen i strip the bad guys an hog tie em.. (with zip ties) .. especially in the Heros game. o.0
Sheela 21st Sep 2020, 5:22 AM edit delete reply

They could also have left Skeeter and the girl out as bait for others.
Oldarmourer 9th Sep 2020, 11:42 AM edit delete reply
It looks like their sensors are scanning for radiation/exhaust/tracks left by vehicles...
The resolution probably isn't fine enough to pick up footprints at altitude and speed
Especially if the footprints had been brushed out or otherwise concealed, we've only seen Goldiebots walking
Even the ones that attacked the water plant were seen walking in cross-country.
Or possibly they used a vehicle with a shielded power plant ? Maybe a combustion engine with no 'signature'
Oldarmourer 9th Sep 2020, 12:20 PM edit delete reply
Or they may have followed 'Scorpion Squad's' approach tracks out to cover their own ?
robnot 10th Sep 2020, 7:23 AM edit delete reply
yes..
so far all we have seen is "scouts".. Maybe the main force is like worker ant drones...
the scouts hit & neutralize.. then the drones glean swarm every thing... an then the scouts erase exit tracks...
an yeah this is the 24th century, no force "Walks" anymore...
megados 10th Sep 2020, 7:29 AM edit delete reply

Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but in this 24th (*edit: 39th) century setting, where we have seen anti-grav toys and vehicles, why could it not be hovercraft spiriting material and personnel away?
DLKmusic 10th Sep 2020, 5:09 PM edit delete reply

What Megados said! Where are our flying cars? WE WERE PROMISED FLYING CARS!
Oldarmourer 13th Sep 2020, 8:20 AM edit delete reply

NO, NO NO NO!!! people can't drive in two dimensions now, FFS don't let them try three !!
On consideration, that should maybe be "they can't drive in three dimensions now"
If you count time as a dimension, 90% can't figure out what comes next
And none of them can be bothered to look 10 seconds down the road to see what's going to be coming next.
People around here drive with their eyes locked on their bumpers, never looking to either side or watching traffic
robnot 10th Sep 2020, 6:37 PM edit delete reply
my bad.. start year 3825.. so yeah 39th century..
megados 10th Sep 2020, 6:53 PM edit delete reply

Yep, and I just copied your number w/o thinking LOL. Fixed now. But yeah, flying cars!
robnot 12th Sep 2020, 7:11 AM edit delete reply
so my sarcasm didn't work..
in the 39th century "every one" has multi-tech scanners an some sort of "flying car"..
so no one would think that a force "walked" in striped the place an walked out...
an panel 3 confirms that.. "we aren't picking up any trails that would be left by '"Active vehicle power plants.'" so i COULD be standing a few yards outside the area with 20 Conestoga wagon & horses, under a modern camo netting (IR proof) an they would be none the wiser,,.. the obvious tracks are NOT tracks, because they DON'T fit modern (39th) tracks.!
megados 12th Sep 2020, 7:33 AM edit delete reply

But doesn't the rest of the dialogue point to shielding? The radiation pockets would sort of make it necessary, and if it keeps radiation out, it probably also keeps certain types of emissions in. . . . Alternatively, like you say, some other unconventional transportation is also possible. I was just going for the simplest explanation.
Ryu Santos 13th Sep 2020, 1:28 AM edit delete reply

Or the radiation pockets are fake and simulating being radioactive.
megados 13th Sep 2020, 6:21 AM edit delete reply

Or the pockets of radiation are actual radiation being emitted from the very Goldies that they're trying to find?
Oldarmourer 13th Sep 2020, 8:19 AM edit delete reply

or there's something we haven't been shown yet ;)
jawbone 9th Sep 2020, 3:03 PM edit delete reply

That bat-winged beauty in the last panel makes me think of what a Grumman A-4 from the 1960s/70s would look like in this universe.
Oldarmourer 9th Sep 2020, 4:15 PM edit delete reply
Maybe...I'm getting a few flashes of Super-Sabre, Vulcan and even a Scimitar too
Plus a few hints of Canberra and B-66
It's pretty well laid out for a ground attack aircraft, sort of like an SU-25 but different ;)
Oldarmourer 9th Sep 2020, 4:26 PM edit delete reply
Something about it reminds me a little teeny bit of a Tracker too...and they flew out of Nova Roma for years ;)

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jawbone 10th Sep 2020, 11:43 PM edit delete reply

Sandy Eggo Maritime museum has one as part of the USS Midway exhibit.
robnot 10th Sep 2020, 7:43 AM edit delete reply
and.. it looks like S&Sage,, is spam botting... yesterday late had a little over 1k votes,, less than 10 hours they have over 6k,,.. humm nothing suspicious there...
Oldarmourer 10th Sep 2020, 8:04 AM edit delete reply
happens every few months, some of the others do it too, usually around 1,000 a day but it seems to cap at about 25,000 'extra' maybe they're buying in bulk ?
Is the ranking worth that ? is it cost effective ?
I don't do much nowadays but I don't want to log in a hundred different accounts to add votes, let alone a thousand
megados 10th Sep 2020, 9:27 AM edit delete reply

Yeah, they do a spambot surge every so often, and bob up, then sink back down.
robnot 10th Sep 2020, 6:46 PM edit delete reply
yeah my (about) 50 votes every day takes an hour .. so math ... your 100 would take 2 hours,, if all variables stayed the same.. a 1000 would take just under 20 hours...
but that is the "right" way .. apparently spambot can do a 1000 in seconds.. o.0
Oldarmourer 10th Sep 2020, 6:54 PM edit delete reply
You'd think the site could pick that up, but then again maybe they either don't care or even encourage it because big numbers make them look better too.
Oldarmourer 11th Sep 2020, 8:56 PM edit delete reply
that and they don't care who votes or how many times, each one gets the same ad-views...
Rashala 10th Sep 2020, 11:16 PM edit delete reply

Curiouser and curiouser........one would expect that. Uch salvage being moved to leave alot of evidence to what and how it was femoved.
Oldarmourer 11th Sep 2020, 8:57 PM edit delete reply
Just a public service reminder...in case anyone forgot

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megados 12th Sep 2020, 5:27 AM edit delete reply

Pretty much, yeah.
Ebonbolt 12th Sep 2020, 2:27 PM edit delete reply

2020: the year that made "dumpster fire" not the worst epithet of the decade.
megados 12th Sep 2020, 4:10 PM edit delete reply

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Sheela 21st Sep 2020, 5:26 AM edit delete reply

I wonder if it, just like a Roomba, could drag a turd all over the place ?
megados 21st Sep 2020, 6:31 AM edit delete reply

Can we really be sure that isn't happening already?
Oldarmourer 13th Sep 2020, 8:30 AM edit delete reply

I believe the phrase is "fuck 2020 with a nuclear powered chainsaw" ;)
DLKmusic 13th Sep 2020, 10:40 AM edit delete reply

@Ebonbolt: you might appreciate this article on Dumpster Fires!
megados 13th Sep 2020, 12:17 PM edit delete reply

LOL, DLKmusic! Meanwhile . . .

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Morituri 13th Sep 2020, 8:31 AM edit delete reply
The tanks' telemetry would establish their whereabouts right up to the point that the telemetry quit working, so I'm sure they know Ophelia isn't lying about the where/when of the encounter.

I suppose now it's mostly a question about the adversary's capabilities. They took the stuff that was easily portable (for some definition of easy).

Their weapons didn't leave much of the soldiers they hit, so I'm guessing the bodies aren't gone for reasons of salvage. They're gone to deny Nova Roma intel about the weapons that hit them. The vehicles there was more left of, but it's not clear that there'd be much left that was reusable. Fancy layered tungsten/diamondoid armor, even if intact, is shaped like equipment that's probably not the equipment they have or want to use, and being able to recycle/reshape it requires specialized equipment and installation. It requires equipment a lot less specialized though, to identify it and evaluate its capabilities.

So I'm guessing that clearing out the vehicles and bodies is mainly an intel consideration; first denying the adversary intel about their own capabilities, and second gathering intel about the adversary's gear.

My question is what were they doing at that Gutter base in the first place. Their "glitchy" tactics possibly indicate intel that's waaaaay out of date, so it'd be worth looking up the history of that site and finding out what it was when it was built, back before it was a gutter base. The water distribution site they hit afterward could be based on intel they got at the gutter base, if their objective is to make the waste unlivable.
Oldarmourer 13th Sep 2020, 8:37 AM edit delete reply

Here's an idea for next year's vote incentives...
How about a 2021 calendar ?
A different DC character each month
Doesn't even have to be new art, just a picture with a calendar page, saves all sorts of time that way
It could have all sorts of things for each month, the usual moon phases and major holidays for everyone, in DC and RL
Birthdates or 'construction' or 'reload' days for DC characters, staff and commenters who want to add theirs
Major events in DC history like "WW3 starts", "WW3 ends", "Lynn kidnapped", "Lynn rescued", "TeeDee meets the Murderturd"
"douchy's reign begins", "douchy becomes one with the ashpile of history"
etc, etc, etc. :)
Should be able to put something in for almost every day
The type of picture would be solely up to the creatrixes...and we know how that could go ;)
DLKmusic 13th Sep 2020, 1:42 PM edit delete reply

As long as it's "Safe for Work", I would buy one! Great idea!
Oldarmourer 13th Sep 2020, 1:56 PM edit delete reply
If it's for the TopWeb vote incentive or Patreon it doesn't need to be 'safe for work' ;)
The idea of a physical item does seem interesting though
That one guy 15th Sep 2020, 7:53 PM edit delete reply
The author of the comic Skin Deep does a physical reward of some sort on her Patreon, apparently. It appears access to the tier opens every three months and people get pins if they're still in the tier at the end of the three months and then it starts again. There's a comment on her comic about it at the moment because apparently September is a valid starting month.

For physical goods doing some kind of staggered month thing seems like it might be a good idea, just to keep it from being too frequent and not too expensive on the pledge to still be financially viable for the artist.
Centcomm 14th Sep 2020, 10:16 AM edit delete reply

its a good idea.. i admit it.. :"D
Oldarmourer 14th Sep 2020, 5:52 PM edit delete reply
WOW, really ? I'm getting a swelled head over here :)
I just thought it might be a quick and easy way to do a monthly vote incentive for the 'active' section on TopWeb
Oldarmourer 14th Sep 2020, 6:34 PM edit delete reply

On second thought, maybe just stick with DC characters 'vital statistics'.
You've already seen what a scammer can do, no point giving them any RL information they don't need.

While I'm postulating...maybe one version for a vote incentive and another for Patreon.
The vote incentive can still be 'R" rated, the Patreon can be 'RR' ;)
A physical copy could be either/or but most people would just print whichever one they could get away with having around from an online page anyway and I don't know how many people would buy if they were sale items only, even pdf's for sale.
knuut 15th Sep 2020, 7:35 PM edit delete reply
Should also include the best efforts of the creatrisese' 3D printing associates.
Gilrandir 15th Sep 2020, 9:06 AM edit delete reply
Still hoping for “The Topless Flowers of Ilium”. I’m just sayin’. (I suppose, as *Datachaser*’s Top 100 “power level” approaches 9000, I am technically super-sayin” ... but that’s a different series.)
Oldarmourer 15th Sep 2020, 12:12 PM edit delete reply

Why settle for topless ? ;)
Gilrandir 15th Sep 2020, 1:07 PM edit delete reply
"Topless" does not necessitate (though it does imply) the presence of other coverings. And, when I am fantasizing about sexy imaginary ladies, I prefer -- when possible -- a literary illusion. ^_^
megados 15th Sep 2020, 2:51 PM edit delete reply

Here ya go. Topless and bottomless. You're welcome! XD

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Oldarmourer 14th Sep 2020, 6:38 PM edit delete reply

Thank you for deleting the political thread, I have no self-control and need supervision in such matters.
megados 14th Sep 2020, 8:07 PM edit delete reply

I didn't really put anything political in it, and the only other poster was just venting about being pissed off. He wasn't discussing politics or the contents of the material. He mentioned the source of his anger, but no details of political nature, such as policy etc. Just sayin'
Centcomm 14th Sep 2020, 9:50 PM edit delete reply

well better safe than sorry. im not yelling at anyone
megados 15th Sep 2020, 5:52 AM edit delete reply

It's fine, Cent. Thanks for all you do! :D
That one guy 15th Sep 2020, 7:49 PM edit delete reply
A no real world politics policy makes sense with as contentious as those discussions can quickly get.

I do look forward to getting to a day we've all taken more of a deep breath and can be more civil in such discussions, but no disagreements that today is not that day.
Romfire 15th Sep 2020, 7:43 PM edit delete reply
I think the General is going to be a lot less angry at her than many people seem to think.
The only thing she did wrong was under estimate a completely unknown threat. There was nothing really clear cut until the men started turning to dust.

Thoughts?
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