Comic 1006 - Lobster time...

22nd Apr 2014, 9:00 PM
Lobster time...
Average Rating: 5 (15 votes)

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Centcomm 22nd Apr 2014, 9:00 PM edit delete
freaking took forever on these renders.. BLEH :D
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cattservant 22nd Apr 2014, 9:16 PM edit delete reply

You 'will' play in the water.
Centcomm 23rd Apr 2014, 10:49 AM edit delete reply

darn right! :D
jamie59 22nd Apr 2014, 9:21 PM edit delete reply

That looks soothing!
Centcomm 23rd Apr 2014, 10:49 AM edit delete reply

ever had a mineral bath? or a hot tub? they are awesome !
Stormwind13 23rd Apr 2014, 2:16 PM edit delete reply

Yeah, hot tubs are heavenly. :-) Never had a mineral bath so won't comment on that. :-)
cattservant 22nd Apr 2014, 9:23 PM edit delete reply

So, 'push-filtered'.
No problem with methane and extra ammonia then?
Centcomm 23rd Apr 2014, 10:50 AM edit delete reply

Nope it uses reverse osmosis to remove soap or other contaminates
Don B. 22nd Apr 2014, 9:26 PM edit delete reply
Those splashes must have been a pain.
Centcomm 23rd Apr 2014, 10:50 AM edit delete reply

this whole bath scene was a pain ... >_<
Stormwind13 23rd Apr 2014, 2:16 PM edit delete reply

It was a pain? Then you got the water TOO hot, CentComm! :-D It isn't supposed to HURT you know? :-)
plymayer 22nd Apr 2014, 10:18 PM edit delete reply

Hot mineral bath. Could use some torture like that myself.

Could use the pool in my complex, warm enough here in Florida.
Sheela 22nd Apr 2014, 11:16 PM edit delete reply

Yeah, looks like one of the better tortures, I must admit.

Not that we have any hot springs in my country .. but that's another matter entirely.
Centcomm 23rd Apr 2014, 10:50 AM edit delete reply

i lived in lakeland for a bit so yeah I know what you mean :D
Draginbeard 22nd Apr 2014, 10:59 PM edit delete reply

It puts the lotion on its skin, or else it gets the...uh... hot tub (?) again. Yeah, cant really force that quote into this scene so well.
Centcomm 23rd Apr 2014, 10:52 AM edit delete reply

HAHAH good one.. yeah its a little hard to use here.. but wait for it !
xpacetrue 22nd Apr 2014, 11:30 PM edit delete reply

I have a question for Centcomm and Tokyo Rose:

Which Mass Effect 3 ending would you consider "best": Synthesis, Control, Refusal, or Destroy? (Personally, I think they all could have been better written. But which do you think is the better choice?)

I'm curious how you'd choose because of the nature of Datachasers and the issues it brings up regarding synthetic and cybernetic life. One -might- assume you'd prefer Synthesis. But then, maybe not.

The Control ending was interesting in that the personality in control sounds very much like your AIS. (Reminds me of Cent-Comm, in particular.) Those comments on how the human perceptions of Infinite and Eternity being inadequate gave me perspective on how such AIS must think. But some fans question whether that personality would stay benevolent or whether it could maintain control for eternity.
Tokyo Rose 23rd Apr 2014, 3:59 AM edit delete reply

Have to pass this one to Cent; never got into the Mass Effect series.
Centcomm 23rd Apr 2014, 10:55 AM edit delete reply

when I did the play though I had a fem Shepard that I had played all though the games 1 to 3 I picked Synthisis ending with max war assets best paragon outcome. I did not try the control one or the refusal or distroy .. my own morality picked Synthisis ... :D

Cent-comm ( the charcter does not suffer from the years as humans do.. and she has some protocols to prevent her from losing her shit. )
Rashala 23rd Apr 2014, 5:37 PM edit delete reply

Personally *and I am weighin in here as I am a MASS EFFECT fan*

I chose destroy for a multitude of reasons. Cotnrol and Synthesis to me both seemed well...dead ends of sorts. control MEans we are under the guardianship watch of A overmind being stuck in an system that we have no control over. Where as with synthesis Granted I see that as a viable end....I just do not see that AS I called it Space magic Simply making it be All over like that even for species that had not evoled or gained life yet. It also seems as a.....well form of overwatchign control....Makign that sudden descion and forcing it on everyone without taking their own will into account.

Now DEstroy Granted it is Violent....and I know many of you are gonna say But you kill everyone yadda yadda yadda. Well I've heard it all and I know it just is not true. With destroy you take the system/cycle the REapers have imposed on all of life in the galaxy and REmove it. This outcome is inevitable given CHaos theory and complex systems. This way organic and synthetic life Now have the choice and free will to decide what -they- pick their fate to be and not be forced into a choice made by others without their consent.

Now DEstroy can eventually lead to a synthesis, but this synthesis in the end would be better and more meaningful as thosebeings involved would have attained it both naturally and of their own combined choices.

Of all the choices Personally I think Destroy is the one that honors the will and freedom of all beings in that universe and gives the most....chances at a truly peaceful and understanding future.

Ps. I know you will say But that means the Geth and Edi are dead. But Look at it from the AI point of view that the Geth and Edi were . They would have calculated every possible outdome of the assault/crucible attack on earth and they would have Taken precautions Incase of the Worse case scenario's IE the reapers win and they would need to retreat/hide Or that the reapers and everyone else would be destroyed and taken steps to ...palace backups of themselves somewhere Outside any possible fallout range

Rashala 23rd Apr 2014, 12:00 AM edit delete reply

did acanthi's hair change color?
Tokyo Rose 23rd Apr 2014, 4:04 AM edit delete reply

It's a "wet hair" model rather than her normal one. Getting the texture map from one hair model to work properly on another model can be a giant pain in the ass; some models use different layering setups, transparency maps don't always work, urgh blurgh ugh. I can only think of one artist who's taken on the colossal job of creating matching texture maps for practically every hair model on the planet; the series is called "ToXic".
Centcomm 23rd Apr 2014, 10:56 AM edit delete reply

I also had a major issue with a "wet" speculaity and glossyness.. it was a horrible pain.. im now goign to go drinking now ..
Rashala 23rd Apr 2014, 4:38 PM edit delete reply

*hugs CEnti*
mjkj 23rd Apr 2014, 12:03 AM edit delete reply

Oh, they go for the lobster torture...

Quite the nefarious plan.

...and it is great to see Lynn opening up more.

Centcomm 23rd Apr 2014, 10:56 AM edit delete reply

it totally is :D
VanEzzania 23rd Apr 2014, 5:37 AM edit delete reply

I could use one of those baths right about now.
Centcomm 23rd Apr 2014, 10:56 AM edit delete reply

me too ! I love huge tubs :D
Johninaustin 23rd Apr 2014, 8:06 AM edit delete reply
A neck deep tub? I need one of those.:)
Centcomm 23rd Apr 2014, 10:57 AM edit delete reply

Right ?? Right??! neck deep tub for the win .. !
Stormwind13 23rd Apr 2014, 2:26 PM edit delete reply

Forget neck deep, John. It is big enough to SHARE with someone. That is a good thing in my book, if you find the right someone. :-)
Centcomm 24th Apr 2014, 12:59 PM edit delete reply

oh yes it is that large :D
highlander55 23rd Apr 2014, 4:35 PM edit delete reply

And I hope the transponder on her wrist is not blocked by water. That would set off all sorts of alarms and actions.
Centcomm 24th Apr 2014, 12:59 PM edit delete reply

nope water doesnt matter :D
xpacetrue 23rd Apr 2014, 9:33 AM edit delete reply

Q1: How do androids with Synth brains learn information? Is it instantly memorized or downloaded, like the way Neo downloaded martial arts and skills in The Matrix? Or must they learn like humans; gradually, over an extended period (usually through experience and/or with a teacher and 'textbooks')?

Case in point 1: Page 495 is where Ceci is brought online in a mere 130 seconds. This strongly suggests that all her skills were literally downloaded into her memory banks - most likely prior to Cent-Comm imprinting her personality matrix. Ceci was not given any time to learn anything the hard way, aside from the introductions to Calli and Dolly and Cent-Comm's instruction to do whatever Dolly says.

Case in point 2: Page 687 (Dolly's "Memory Shards") is very interesting. On the one hand, it reveals that Dolly went with a cheap Model 2 body that allowed her to splurge on lots and lots of combat skills. (Purchased, but... Downloaded? Or taught?) But on the other, Dolly said that she wouldn't mind a night-shift at a company post as it would "give me time to study". This implies that Dolly had planned to spend her free time studying new skills the old-fashioned way; by reading and/or watching training vids.

Case in point 3: Page 698 ("Fractured Peace 2") talks about a Q-Drive design Dr. Silver worked on and how it might some day allow humans to download skills instantly. And page 706 ("Fractured Peace 4") reveals that Mr. Nova is secretly using the tech to instantly download assassin skills into... um, either an android, cyborg, or human (not sure which).

Q2: Generally speaking, barring radiation damage or something, it sounds like androids have near perfect memory. But does that mean their skills will not "rust" if they don't use them regularly? In humans, that's a real problem. If you don't get to speak that foreign language you learned in high school, you -will- forget what you learned. That also applies to knowledge/skills like advanced calculus and programming. Though, some things - like riding a bicycle - you don't ever entirely forget.

Case in point 4: Page 504 has Dolly thinking "...but an andriod does not forget as a human does..."

Case in point 5: On page 548 I asked why Ceci is not good at deception, considering that she's a Black Angel. You replied, "Ceci is good at many things.. but part of her training is scrambled..." So, under certain conditions, android skills can get lost or don't "take"? (Just because she Sparked? Or because of the errors from all that conflicting programming and priorities?)
Centcomm 23rd Apr 2014, 10:58 AM edit delete reply

A) They learn skills via flash download or by actually learning it in a accerlated virtual enviroment when they are creatied please see the tech doc under the "tech"
heading at the top of the comic it will answer a lot of this ..

Ceci is a special case.. period. shes breaking almost as many rules as Dolly ...

Andriods normally have near perfect recall no matter how long the time period ..

5) please see the previous on Ceci .. and the tech page.
xpacetrue 23rd Apr 2014, 1:06 PM edit delete reply

So androids -can- flash download skills. But then, why would androids bother to learn in an "accelerated virtual environment" or by reading when they can just download it? That seems so inefficient compared to the latter. If humans could download knowledge the way we download MP3's and videos, I'd imagine that most people would be very skilled and knowledgable in many areas.

Is it a difference in cost, with downloads being expensive vs. virtual learning (via the first years of sparked "seed" life) being free? I can understand a cost and profit margin (market economy) for developming skill and knowledge sets to download. But I'd think that competition would tend to drive the prices down eventually. And downloads cost nothing to manufacture. After a while, the market would be flooded. Doesn't NT have expirations or term limits on copyrighted materials?
Stormwind13 23rd Apr 2014, 2:25 PM edit delete reply

Probably something akin to the difference in human learning something from reading it in a book and if they get exposed to it and actually doing it to learn what the books don't teach you, xpacetrue. There can be a big difference between knowing how to do something and truly DOING it, at least in my experience. :-)
highlander55 23rd Apr 2014, 4:41 PM edit delete reply

Most books you can use to level the kitchen table. Real world for lots of things are on hand learning for a better understanding. Like speaking a foreign language, immersion is sometimes the best teacher.
xpacetrue 24th Apr 2014, 5:29 AM edit delete reply

@ Stormwind13
@ highlander55
Yes, there is quite a difference between reading on how to do something and learning it from first-hand experience. Though, to a certain extent, the degree of difference can depend on the type of skill or knowledge. (For example, learning martial arts purely from a textbook or, as you suggested, learning a foreign language without immersion would be quite difficult. But learning something like geometry or accounting from a textbook would be a lot more practical.)

However, I was talking about -androids-. Centcomm stated, "They learn skills via flash download or by actually learning it in a accelerated virtual enviroment."

Those are sci-fi learning methods for a (thus far) fictional type of being in a fictional world. We can only relate with our knowledge of how humans learn. It seems illogical to ASSUME such comparisons are valid.

If they can simply download skills and knowledge, then - just maybe - such downloads include the practical application part? If, for example, they developed a way for an android to UPLOAD their MEMORIES of how they learned and practiced a skill... why would it NOT work like that?

As for learning in a "virtual environment": The Tech Page explains. The Sparked android "Seeds" spend 1 or 2 years in what sounds like a virtual reality simulation designed to teach them as well as shape their personality and test them for antisocial or unacceptable behavior. (Think of it as would-be androids spending their childhood plugged into the equivalent to The Matrix, except the people are mostly or all simulations, too.) That'd probably include learning through virtual immersion or simulated practical application. Except that, since these androids experience "immersion" at an accelerated rate of time passage, I suspect they could experience the equivalent of several human childhood years in those 1 or 2 virtual years. (When Teedee and Major Ramsey had their bar brawl, her thoughts mentioned how humans don't realize just how SLOW they move {from an android perspective}.)
Centcomm 24th Apr 2014, 1:02 PM edit delete reply

good catch on the bar brawl comment . and yes - pretty much the "learning center" houses all the currently active seeds that do not have bodies yet.
Stormwind13 24th Apr 2014, 1:54 PM edit delete reply

Actually, as the androids are based on a template of humanity I don't know how we couldn't think there was points of comparison between how they learn and how a human being learns. Androids are going to be faster at it for sure and they can take advantage of aids that aren't available to a human being; however, there is still things that can't be taught but have to be LEARNED.

An android might be strong enough to pick up a small car, but unless they spend time learning how to do it properly for THEMSELVES they could still get hurt trying it, as an example. At least that is my take on it. :-)

So while androids (and gynoids too) do take advantage of quick teaching methods, androids still have to go out and practice it to make sure that it translates properly for themselves. They, just like humans, are all unique individuals. :-)
Tokyo Rose 24th Apr 2014, 2:56 PM edit delete reply

Knowing how to do something is not the same as having actual experience in doing it. Not even for androids. "Memory packs" like you suggest aren't available, simply because even if they were, an android just could NOT perfectly imitate another's performance of a given task or exercise of a skill until they practiced it for themselves anyway. It's not like installing a program from a disk to multiple systems and expecting it to work exactly the same on each one. Androids are individuals, and how their minds work (and how they use their own bodies) influences how they learn and apply what they've learned. Give Teedee and Dolly both the same "memory pack" from, say, Android Bruce Lee, and they're going to apply it in different ways. Dolly would focus on the perfect execution of maneuvers. Teedee would be playing up the cocky behavior and taunting. And that would, come to think of it, be amazingly awesome to watch :D
Sheela 24th Apr 2014, 3:26 PM edit delete reply

And then Dolly would kick TeeDee's ass.

But yes, I have a real life comparison about learning : I have a degree in telecommunications, and came out on top of the class. There was another person who also came out with top marks, on the same day, in the same field, using the same text books.

We passed in 2009, and I had a chat with him a few days ago, he could barely recall any of it, while I can still recall most of it, plus I have learned more since then.

Even if the information that was in the book / memory stick is applied perfectly, the one that doesn't use it / have any interest in it, won't have the same skill in it at the end of the day, or worse after a few years.

It's surprising how big a difference there is.
So this idea that an android, even with perfect recall, will have the same info later on, is frankly doubtful ... we filter too much. And they would too, since they are based upon us.
KarToon12 23rd Apr 2014, 12:43 PM edit delete reply

Nice job on the water. I hear it's tricky to render water in CGI.
Stormwind13 23rd Apr 2014, 2:20 PM edit delete reply

From her comments, I think CentComm spent a LOT of time on that water. It does look good though, so I guess it was worth the effort. :-)
highlander55 23rd Apr 2014, 4:43 PM edit delete reply

CentComm will spent time in a bottle. And I ain't talking like Jeannie! LOL
Centcomm 24th Apr 2014, 1:02 PM edit delete reply

1 hour and 30 min average per render .. ick
Stormwind13 24th Apr 2014, 1:55 PM edit delete reply

::HUGS:: Poor CentComm. :-)

Gives her a cookie. :-D
Songgu Kwon 3rd May 2014, 12:05 AM edit delete reply

Where dat lobster go? :p
Centcomm 3rd May 2014, 12:47 AM edit delete reply

I think it ran away ... :D
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