Comic 1160 - Death (Upright)

2nd Apr 2015, 9:00 PM
Death (Upright)
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jamie59 2nd Apr 2015, 9:05 PM edit delete reply

RIP
Sheela 2nd Apr 2015, 9:44 PM edit delete reply

Heh, next think you know, Centcomm will make him a tombstone that is a picture of him getting offed, in glorious 3D 'n' everything. XD
Centcomm 2nd Apr 2015, 11:07 PM edit delete reply

Hmmm Incentives :D
Rms2000 3rd Apr 2015, 12:01 AM edit delete reply

Now hold on just a second. That was no headshot. At the very least he will be alive (kind of) for the next four minutes until brain death occurs. And in a comic such as this, there are still several ways his life could be saved. Someone could call in a Luna med-tech, for example. Or, more likely, Rose already planned for this contingency. Although I will admit that I would consider Kyle's chances somewhat lower than average given that he was shot by prince dick-face in the middle of the palace of "nova roma", and, more significantly, that he's the protagonist's significant other. That said, I think it's still a bit early to be RIPing him, isn't it?
Tango Xray Actual 3rd Apr 2015, 3:24 AM edit delete reply
Awww, TR and CC just wanna pull a GRRM* ;)



*George R.R. Martin
Stormwind13 3rd Apr 2015, 7:25 PM edit delete reply

I was wondering if it was because Deck is sadistic, Rms2000. Shooting him in the chest is going to stop someone with Kyle's background. He doesn't have (I believe) the real anger, the drugs or the training to respond to the shock of what just happened to him.

So Kyle gets to spend the last 4 or 5 minutes of his life realizing that he failed, utterly! As the world goes dark and his consciousness fades, he gets to chew on that. I could see Deck intentionally doing that, just to torment Kyle. And terrorize his Sister and her 'friend' (really a true Sister, even if they don't share blood - which right now I guess they do, even if it is Kyle's splattered on them).
Sheela 3rd Apr 2015, 8:05 PM edit delete reply

Naw, Deck is being professional here.
"Center of Mass" is not just a few pretty words, they are practical too.
velvetsanity 4th Apr 2015, 5:16 AM edit delete reply

Keep in mind that there *are* two legitimate doctors present (even if one *is* a bit Sparky) :D
Lukkai 5th Apr 2015, 7:12 PM edit delete reply
Still could very well be a heart shot from the looks of it. Even in that far future, I doubt there's a lot that can be done about it. Especially without proper equipment at hand.
velvetsanity 2nd Apr 2015, 9:06 PM edit delete reply

Well. There goes any hope of fixing Aeneas...and any possibility of Lynn cooperating with anyone or anything. This, of course, is on top of Mama Bear's imminent arrival, and ohh is she gonna be EXTRA pissed with a double helping of extra when she hears about this. And let's not forget the imminent arrival of Team Kill-Em-All. Not to mention the *other* Mama Bear that just might send *another* crew to level the palace in order to build a bypass...

Hmm, total tally of incoming destruction: 2 pissed Mama Bears, a royally pissed Baby Bear, 1 demolition crew, and a potential second demolition crew...as well as a pink-haired whirlwind of cute and cuddly death and destruction
Dragonrider 2nd Apr 2015, 9:23 PM edit delete reply

Just to recount I believe you said SFB just screwed the pooch in his best style?
Best solution here Lynn grabs Kyles gun and pops SFB between the running lights. Acantha is gonna protect Lynn from Kali and Max so all,s well that ends well.
Actually Lynn and Acantha are rushed off in Cassion protective custody and Max is under death sentence from SFB. All plans just went deep six and might as well hope the Muderturd gets into the Black Palace to run loose.
Centcomm 2nd Apr 2015, 11:08 PM edit delete reply

Whep Kyles taken care of :D *sighs and relaxes *
Dragonrider 3rd Apr 2015, 8:56 PM edit delete reply

Reading your reaction here I might wonder if:
A) Kyle has already completed the repairs to Aeneas which explains why TR allowed him in the Dining Room where SFB was sure to pontificate. She knew he would take care of the need to exfiltrate him.
B) This Kyle is a clone eliminating the need to explain lengthy absences from the Kitchen while Kyle #1 works works on repairing Aeneas. Also would explain why TR has a loud diversion in place to allow SFB the chance to install after market air conditioning ducts in the body.
velvetsanity 4th Apr 2015, 5:18 AM edit delete reply

C) Remember the old comedy line, "Is there a doctor in the house?" We've got two. One of whom is a tad Sparky (Setorius, mad scientist type) :D
Pirtnac 2nd Apr 2015, 11:58 PM edit delete reply
"Well. There goes any hope of fixing Aeneas"

Dr Silver would like to have a word with you about that. I mean, if someone tells her. And gets her in without getting gibbed.
velvetsanity 3rd Apr 2015, 4:58 AM edit delete reply

Dr. Silver will most likely be busy elsewhere. After all, she's part of Team Kill-Em-All.
Sheela 3rd Apr 2015, 8:06 PM edit delete reply

Ah, but kill-all is faster with an AIS at your back. :)
plymayer 2nd Apr 2015, 9:16 PM edit delete reply

!!!!

Thankfully, just a flesh wound...
Haegan2005 2nd Apr 2015, 9:21 PM edit delete reply

That, that may hurt a wee bit. having said all that. If we remember that Rose put some improvements into him.

We will see just how durable they have made him.

It looks like the round went through him based off of the splash behind Kyle. that should not be a small hole on the exit. He probably lost half a lung going out that side.
Sheela 2nd Apr 2015, 9:38 PM edit delete reply

It'll buff out. XD
Haegan2005 2nd Apr 2015, 9:51 PM edit delete reply

Groan! lol
velvetsanity 4th Apr 2015, 5:22 AM edit delete reply

From the blood spatter on exit, I'm guessing it's ball ammo (or armor piercing, which is more likely) not hollow points. Less messy, less damage, looks like the rounds went straight through with no tumbling. Should be relatively easy to patch him up provided delays don't give him time to bleed out or go into shock (which is still recoverable, particularly given DC's tech level)
Centcomm 2nd Apr 2015, 11:08 PM edit delete reply

snickers and is reminded of the black knight from Monty python :D
Sheela 3rd Apr 2015, 8:06 PM edit delete reply

'Tis only a fleshwound, knave!
Haegan2005 2nd Apr 2015, 9:22 PM edit delete reply

whew, deci missed Maximus. All is well.

:D
Sheela 2nd Apr 2015, 9:39 PM edit delete reply

Nor did he hit Lynn or Acantha.

Centcomm might even say he didn't hit anything important at all. XD
Haegan2005 2nd Apr 2015, 9:50 PM edit delete reply

omg that is so bad! lol

Your humor is definitely showing Sheela! Hey, who was nibbling on my toes? And where did my steak sauce go?
CptKerion 2nd Apr 2015, 10:24 PM edit delete reply
Haegan, I do believe those two events are related.
Centcomm 2nd Apr 2015, 11:09 PM edit delete reply

Yeah Max is to his right :D
Sheela 3rd Apr 2015, 8:08 PM edit delete reply

I did not steal the Steak Sauce.

No fish in it! XD
Haegan2005 3rd Apr 2015, 10:41 PM edit delete reply

I note what thee did not deny! I need to wear socks dangit!

(lol no fish in it, I liked that)
Thor 2nd Apr 2015, 9:52 PM edit delete reply
Unless she has the same estimate of Kyle's usefulness-to-liability ration that I do, I doubt that Rose would have allowed--nay, instigated--Kyle getting shot if she didn't think that he would survive this. She probably intends it to be a lesson that might actually sink in to his foolhardy brain.

Speaking of his brain, Deck might be a talented shot, but he's got a lousy grasp of targets. At that range the head is the best way to put a would-be hero down for good.

And as far as the title of the strip goes, it should be noted that in the tarot, the Death card usually does not signify literal death, but instead a large change change in one's life. Hopefully Kyle will be the one undergoing the change, as he's needed a course correction since Day 1.

CptKerion 2nd Apr 2015, 10:23 PM edit delete reply
I believe Deck wants him alive.
He would probably very much like to know how he got here, and how he got a gun past security.
Kyle is soft, he'll break under a skilled torturer faster than he'd ever believe.
He'll spill his guts, and then they'll spill them literally.
Centcomm 2nd Apr 2015, 11:09 PM edit delete reply

90 percent of the time Shooters are trained to shoot center of mass for knock down :D
Dragonrider 2nd Apr 2015, 11:25 PM edit delete reply

Unless you are Spec Ops then you are trained to take the shot necessary to accomplish the mission.
Rms2000 3rd Apr 2015, 12:14 AM edit delete reply

Why isn't everyone trained that way? I mean, yeah, it takes more effort and may slow you down a little bit, but it just makes sense to go for a more tactically, or strategically, useful shot.
Besides, the way they're trained now, as I understand it, they have to intend to kill someone before they fire their weapon. Wouldn't it make it easier for them to make the right calls if they were trained in a more flexible manner? So that they don't feel pressured to go for a lethal shot in situations that may not require it? I just feel like if they're given discretionary power enough to decide to use potentially lethal force, they should also be given enough training to make a non-lethal shot (or an instant kill) and allow them that discretion, too.
Does this make sense? Am I crazy? (don't answer that) I'd appreciate some thoughtful opinions.
Tokyo Rose 3rd Apr 2015, 12:52 AM edit delete reply

No. Sorry, but no.

Guns are not designed to be "non-lethal force" options. Anyone who points a gun at another human being had better be fucking well ready to kill them. If the situation is resolved without the gun ever being fired, that's good, but the person on the back end of it must, MUST, always be fully prepared to kill the person on the front end of it.
Lurker 3rd Apr 2015, 1:02 AM edit delete reply
And that *IS* how the training goes. From when I was knee high, in fact.
Tango Xray Actual 3rd Apr 2015, 3:14 AM edit delete reply
Oh, and while we are at it, about 'non-lethal' force....

Many of those, so-called, "non-lethal" force weapons/methods are actually pretty damned lethal in-and-of-themselves.

Tasers kill; so do rubber and wooden 'bullets.' CS (tear gas) and pepper spray can kill. CS generators can and do start fires (really rough on the hostages in barricaded situations). Side-handle batons (tonfa), choke holds; the list goes on.
Stormwind13 3rd Apr 2015, 8:04 PM edit delete reply

Well, depending on where you draw the line on the definition of 'gun', Rose. Does the Zues AStun 50 - Mk 4 or whatever flavor of Stunner Ada was carrying count as a gun, Rose? If so, then there are SOME that are designed for non-lethal options. If you don't count them as guns, but only as weapons then your statement is still valid. :-D
Mister Black 3rd Apr 2015, 1:01 AM edit delete reply

Of course "they" are trained to have the intent to kill before they point a gun at somebody. Contrary to popular opinion, guns are most emphatically *not* toys, and they are *not* intended to intimidate. A gun's sole purpose in a tactical situation is to kill. Full stop, no foot notes. If the situation doesn't require lethal force, the gun stays in its holster. If the situation does require lethal force, you apply it with dispatch. There isn't really a 'middle ground'. To quote my dad (and his 30+ years in the Army and National Guard), "You only point a gun at something you intend to kill".

By giving someone a gun, you're already giving them the discretionary authority to use lethal force...that's why we train the people we arm. Asking them to make the call (and the high-precision shot) to disarm or maim without killing is imposing a burden on them that places their lives, and the lives of their team mates in danger.

This is really the essence of Kyle's mistake...he is (to quote Ah-Ha) living a boy's adventure tale. He thinks the gun makes him super-human, and that it's a tool for intimidation. Decimus, on the other hand, has his head on straight (and there's something I never thought I'd say!)...Threat detected. Threat engaged. Following fire. Threat neutralized, weapon safe. He's playing to the hearts and minds of the people...two in the heart, one in the mind. *grin*
Tango Xray Actual 3rd Apr 2015, 2:31 AM edit delete reply
The decision 'to kill' has to taken BEFORE you ever draw the weapon! PERIOD! THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO DISCUSSION ON THIS CONCEPT. You may not shoot if you draw, but if you draw, you have to have already made the decision that your life (and/or the lives of those you are with) is more valuable than your opponent's.

And if you cannot deal with these two fundamental concepts - that lethal weapons are exactly that and you don't engage with one unless the fatal decision has already been made, please DO NOT own any lethal weapons, firearms or otherwise.

Non-lethal shots? What pray tell are those? Hydrostatic shock from a .45 in the upper arm can induce cardiac shutdown from neural shock or hemorrhage. Hydrostatic shock from a 9mm in the chest can induce cerebral hemorrhaging. A shot in the leg can rip open the femoral artery. A 'shoulder wound' can project bone fragments throughout the chest cavity. There is NO SUCH THING AS SHOOT TO WOUND outside of Cowboys and Indians and Hollywood. That is why it is called lethal force.

Most combat situations, especially Close Quarters Battle situations, happen and resolve themselves so quickly one way or another, fractions of a second, if you have to 'think,' you are the dead body on the ground. This is why training, training and more training is so critical. We've known this since Vegetius wrote de Re Militari sometime in the early 400s.

Another things - you ask "why can't they be trained to take the non-lethal shot." Disregarding that there really is no such an animal, if the 'they' you are talking about are soldiers/operators, remember what their job is, brutally stated, to break things and kill people as quickly as possible with overwhelming force. If there is a sniper in a tree, you engage with a XM1028 canister round if there is an Abrams in the vicinity. (Look up XM1028 on YouTube)

We civilians keep forgetting soldiers are not cops, their job is not to enforce the 'king's peace,' as it were but to eliminate all resistance, organized or otherwise, to the will of their controlling legal authority, e.g. the commander-in-chief, within their Rules of Engagement. (And yes, that does mean shooting a seven-year-old carrying ammunition is legal - not referring to the movie but an incident that supposedly happened in Vietnam - or the strategic bombing of cities)

Cops, on the other hand, are 'supposed' to uphold the law - they are not soldiers, and I am not going to get into all the myriad issues that militarized cops pose, not here anyway, except to say that cops supposedly have very strict ROEs.
justjoe46 3rd Apr 2015, 5:14 AM edit delete reply
The training that I received in the USAF was to always shoot center of mass, that is to the center of the biggest part of the body that we could see. Our leadership told to shoot to disable rather than kill. We kind of disregarded that, because every time we went to the rifle range to qualify the instructors told us to shoot center of mass.
In regards to the lethal/non-lethal debate it is really called deadly and minimum force. In order to resolve an issue requiring force a cop must always use the minimum force necessary. That could be any thing from his voice, K-9, mace, up to his gun. Yes lethal force could be the minimum force necessary to rectify an issue.
Finally in regards to Kyle, the stupid git got what he deserved. Too bad the Nova Roma A.I.S. won't get fixed now unless one of the two Doctors in the room can fix Stupid.
Sheela 3rd Apr 2015, 8:17 PM edit delete reply

They might be able to save his life, but fixing his stupid remains to be seen. XD
justjoe46 5th Apr 2015, 3:02 AM edit delete reply
I was actually referring to Kyle, by renaming him Stupid.
Lukkai 5th Apr 2015, 7:29 PM edit delete reply
Well, center of mass is not necessarily deadly. At least not instantly unless you got somewhat (un?)lucky. But it will quite certainly put your opponent out of action. So aiming there does not necessarily go against the "Try to wound, not to kill."

The reason behind the latter, by the way, is not humanitarian. It's that a wounded soldier does tie up more people and resources than a dead one. And is worse for enemy morale to boot.

And I don't think people calling for disabling shots in any situation are clear about how much harder it is to hit an arm than to hit center torso. And if lifes (or your life at the very least) depend you nailing the shot, you don't go for the high risk one. You take the easy one.

Other than that, we (I'm Swiss and male, so I did my mandatory service) actually trained for leg shots as well. But that was strictly an "if feasible" option to be kept on the table. The standard option would have been center mass first. Lower abdomen next if target keeps staying up.
velvetsanity 4th Apr 2015, 5:24 AM edit delete reply

Dragon rider, even Spec Ops aim for center of visible mass...
Marcus Ramesy 5th Apr 2015, 12:22 PM edit delete reply

(spoken from the person behind the character not as Marcus) this is all been touched on and we are always going to shoot for center mass, its what we train to do.. its how we do it.. as Mr. Black said any thing else puts the defender/shooter in danger ... in combat, I don't have time to weight the threat of a person and the "moral" of shooting them.. they are a threat.... if I am forced in to a situation that I have to pull a weapon out.. im going to destroy what ever it is I have to point it out.. because you never point a gun at something you don't intend to destroy.. ever... using it as an intimidation device is foolish.. there are other non lethal means to take a target down.. and yes.. some of those non "lethal" means can.. and some times do kill.. they are still safer to use than deadly force... I would rather take the risk of a taser/pepper spray or rubber bullets hitting me than to be shot by a .22 or any bullet for that mater... .. honesty i don't want to be hit by any of it.. but if I had the choice... taser/rubber bullets/pepper spay.. but as has been said... when you are firing on some one... always go center mass... always.. aiming for the head no mater how good you think you are.. can result in missed shots.... and when that happens.. gods only know where the round ends up.. spec opps may train for mission specific tasks .. aiming for the triangle between the nose and the corners of the mouth... area.. but that is thousands upon thousands of hours of training that most people will never have in both stress situations and practice..

CptKerion 2nd Apr 2015, 10:22 PM edit delete reply
Well, looks like he doesn't even get to the point where I bet on the snipers.
Of course, we seemed pretty sure Decks was going to get him.
Hey Kyle, with your dying gasps, notice how he holds a gun. That is the correct way to do so.
Centcomm 2nd Apr 2015, 11:10 PM edit delete reply

Heheh - One of the few skills Deck is not only good at but excels :D
CptKerion 3rd Apr 2015, 1:08 PM edit delete reply
Of course, given how far medical science has come in the Datachasers, these may not be his last gasps.
It will be filed under "no great loss if he dies, but if he lives we can squeeze him for information."


Which I suspect is what it wasn't "two in the chest, one in the head."
EDIT: unless of course that third shot went into his head, in which case cranial ventilation usually has the last say.
DLKmusic 2nd Apr 2015, 10:39 PM edit delete reply

Based on the blood splatter on Acantha, I'm pretty sure that was a kill shot. Also, on a fast draw, you have very little time to aim, you go for the largest target, not the most effective one.

Which proves my point that Decimus isn't half as clever as a 10th of what he thinks he is. I living Kyle held hostage, with his well being on the line, would be the smartest way to keep Lynn Compliant. (from an evil overlord's standpoint anyway).

Kyle, if you survive this, PLEASE learn this lesson... NEVER pull a gun unless you plan on using it.
Centcomm 2nd Apr 2015, 11:11 PM edit delete reply

You will see the fallout from this trust me :D
anonymous coward 3rd Apr 2015, 12:04 AM edit delete reply
Fallout? With or without the two-headed cows?
Stormwind13 3rd Apr 2015, 7:19 PM edit delete reply

Not only two-headed, but PURPLE too, anonymous!
Sheela 3rd Apr 2015, 8:19 PM edit delete reply

Dang, now I am intrigued !

Two-headed cows FTW. :)
anonymous coward 3rd Apr 2015, 10:00 PM edit delete reply
Sorry, that was a horrible reference joke. Fallout is a VRPG series, consisting of an original game and a numbered-sequel, developed by Black Isle Studios and published by Interplay during the late 90s. It is a third-person, isometric RPG with turn-based combat, set in a post-apocalyptic wasteland, heavily influenced by the much earlier VRPG named Wasteland, made by Interplay itself in the 80s. One of the signature features in the game series is two-headed cows known as brahmin, or brahma, being common livestock animals.
Sheela 3rd Apr 2015, 11:42 PM edit delete reply

Oh, I know, I've played the last itereation of it.
velvetsanity 4th Apr 2015, 5:26 AM edit delete reply

With or without mods, Sheela? (Fallout 3 and New Vegas are both moddable the same way the Elder Scrolls games are)
Sheela 4th Apr 2015, 7:42 AM edit delete reply

I must admit, I have not delved into the mods for Fallout 3/vegas
BimboSmithe 2nd Apr 2015, 10:43 PM edit delete reply
I realize that all three BLAMs were simultaneous but wouldn't a combat shooter put a group of three in his torso?
Centcomm 2nd Apr 2015, 11:06 PM edit delete reply

Actually thats THREE shots in the space of seconds .. :D
Tokyo Rose 2nd Apr 2015, 11:57 PM edit delete reply

Yup, Decimus fired three times.
ProfEtheric 2nd Apr 2015, 10:56 PM edit delete reply

Oh cripes... Doucheimus has a gun now. Please tell me he's going to wave it around or some such. C'mon D-mus, give everyone an excuse... (Not likely, but a Professor can dream.)
Centcomm 2nd Apr 2015, 11:07 PM edit delete reply

hehe wait for it :D Rant incoming :D
Tango Xray Actual 3rd Apr 2015, 12:51 AM edit delete reply
Target placement depends on training and situation....

Granted, MOST people ARE trained for 'center of mass' but IIRC the good ones, the operators, while going through Close Quarters Battle training are usually trained to a three inch inverted triangle on the face; three reasons...

1) Since he's 'that' good and assuming his trainers were the also that good, and if he practices, being trained to a triangle shot is almost a given at that distance because...

2) Ballistic armor (and I assume future armor has improved and is much more concealable). You train as if each target is armored up. (And these days, that's actually more and more the case.)

3) Shock / reflex. A center of mass hit does not guarantee your hostile is incapacitated, even disregarding armor. A direct hit to the heart can leave a hostile partially functional and conscious for up to 15 seconds. (Not implying Ks going to be much of anything with three rounds tapping his aorta.) But, still, unless the brain is destroyed or its ability to communicate with the rest of the body otherwise removed, there is nothing to say a hostile can't return the favor to you even if his/her chest is pulped by hydrostatic trauma (depends on the round). A properly placed head shot should either destroy the brain or sever communications by destroying the brain stem, shutting down any brain-mediated reflexes.

(Also, see "Extreme Fear" by Jeff Wise for a good non-technical discussion about non-conscious conditioned reflexes and the role of amygdala.)
justjoe46 3rd Apr 2015, 9:02 AM edit delete reply
A good solution to body armor is to use a cartridge with a high degree of inherent armor piercing ability in a Full Metal Jacket package, like a WW-I-II era rifle round. The .30 US of 1906 M-2 ball round will penetrate most body armor and the trauma plate in front of it out to at least 150 meters, likely more. Then again the FN 5.7x28mm that Fabrique National's P-90 and Five-Seven use, does have an armor piercing round available to government agencies.
Tango Xray Actual 4th Apr 2015, 12:54 AM edit delete reply
And so the age old dance between the armorer and the 'pointy end of spear' continues on....

Granted, .30 M2 ball can pretty much punch through any reasonable body armor, but it is damned hard to make a 30-06 autoloder that carries a reasonable load capacity you can hide in the small of your back. ;p

Not to mention the slide travel or muzzle flash!
justjoe46 5th Apr 2015, 3:17 AM edit delete reply
I was just using the .30-06 as an example, the 7x57mm Mauser, 7.92x57mm Mauser, 7.62x54mm Russian, .303 British will also all do it. The younger 7.62x51mm NATO will also perform in a similar fashion.
I did write that the FN 5.7x28mm pistol/SMG round had an AP version available to Government agencies, and Deck would quality for that.
anamiac 2nd Apr 2015, 11:22 PM edit delete reply

I kinda have mixed feelings on this... Yes Decimus is a class A jerk, but when you point a gun at someone, they're justified in taking you out, even if they're a bad guy imo. Of course, the expression on Decimus's face as he's pulling the trigger reminds us of why we hate him.
Mister Black 3rd Apr 2015, 1:11 AM edit delete reply

What expression would you expect him to have? At this point in time, he's more than likely working on something akin to reflex. He hasn't had time for any particular emotion to register.
Stormwind13 3rd Apr 2015, 7:00 PM edit delete reply

I'm kind of with anamiac here, Mr. Black. I think Deck was looking forward to pulling the trigger. I think killing gives him a thrill... and he enjoyed putting rounds into Kyle (and I KNOW CentComm did :-P). At least that is he vibe I got from him here.
Tango Xray Actual 3rd Apr 2015, 2:55 AM edit delete reply
What expression? His eyes are focused on target. The weapon enters into his field of vision from below, a grey shape, and settles into a position that is, by this point, absolutely reflexive based on thousands of rounds on a range and muscle memory. Sight-picture acquired, shot taken, repeat as necessary until target leaves sight-picture.

It is actually a quite 'zen' process.

And,in my experience, Dec most probably did not even have to consciously make the decision to take the shot. His lower mind identified the opening and reacted without any conscious decision from the "thinking mind."

That's what training is all about - it also drives home the lesson, the decision to engage lethal force MUST always be made before any weapon is drawn.
Some Ed 6th Jun 2017, 8:51 PM edit delete reply
Camera angles can be tricky. I've known people IRL to think someone was smiling due to having looked at the person from that angle, when in fact the person was frowning slightly. When you're looking at a 2D image, it can be even trickier to notice that angle effect.

I'd agree, correcting for the angle, he has a neutral expression, possibly one of concentration.
Draginbeard 2nd Apr 2015, 11:51 PM edit delete reply

HA!! Well struck. What did you think of that shot, young Taylor?

It was well struck, my prince.

....I already said that....
Melody_Whyte 3rd Apr 2015, 2:26 AM edit delete reply

And so causes a chain of events that end in the death of Prince Douchecus. Also RIP Smurf Hair.
Thor 3rd Apr 2015, 3:08 AM edit delete reply
And while dishing out blame and black marks here, let's not forget to give a wag of our collective finger to Tokyo Rose for giving a symbol of invincibility to someone she *knew* was impulsive, feckless, unwise, and untrained. It was basically giving Kyle carte blanche to mess up any carefully laid plans she might have had.
justjoe46 3rd Apr 2015, 11:36 AM edit delete reply
Too true.
Stormwind13 3rd Apr 2015, 7:09 PM edit delete reply

Well, she TOLD him repeatedly that he wasn't, Thor. She even went so far as to show him how different the world was from his limited view with the slave and master encounter. Trying desperately to BURST his attitude of knowing everything. Rose also intitally tried to keep him at home, because she knew he wasn't really ready. Failing that, she tried to steer him where he could do the most good, in fixing Aeneas. Which unfortunately meant he had to be where he could get to Lynn and thereby Acantha in order to get into Aeneas.

When Kyle stopped listening to her, Rose moved to protect the most important elements (Lynn and Acantha) in the room. I don't know if she planned on Deck shooting Kyle, or Kali taking his gun away... or Max ripping his arm off to remove the gun. To me, Rose needed the wild card Kyle represented at that point removed from the board, quickly before he got the really important people killed.
cattservant 3rd Apr 2015, 3:23 AM edit delete reply

Kittens won't fix this!
Stormwind13 3rd Apr 2015, 7:18 PM edit delete reply

Cute kittens make many things better, catt. Being shot in the chest at fairly close range is unfortunately not ONE of them.
Sheela 3rd Apr 2015, 8:25 PM edit delete reply

I dunno man, getting shot with kittens would be pretty bad too.
Stormwind13 3rd Apr 2015, 9:32 PM edit delete reply

For the kittens too, Sheela! Won't someone think of the poor kittens?
Sheela 3rd Apr 2015, 11:42 PM edit delete reply

Decimus is evil that way, he would totally shoot you with a kitten gun.
Centcomm 4th Apr 2015, 2:08 PM edit delete reply

yes he would :D
mjkj 3rd Apr 2015, 4:34 AM edit delete reply

Wow, three shots needed.

Poor Lynn and Acantha getting the splatter...

I hope Rose provided him with the necessary nanites or whatever...

*looking forward to the next updates*

Sleel 3rd Apr 2015, 6:01 AM edit delete reply

That some nice spatter. Was expecting some edification for yon Kyle. Was also thinking it'd be more lingering. I spose our entertained Witch Doctor might have some spell up his sleeve to make things more lingering after all. If not..... meneh.
Also find it HIlarious how ppl always say you should just wing the guy. But as other have already covered that, I'll just leave it at HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. As for the rest saying they hope one of the others just takes out Deck..... Ummmm. Failsafes? Remember that pecky little detatil. None of them are gonna be quick to volunteer to trigger his little failsafes and crater Roma *for* Centcomm.
This trail still has many more winds to it. *eyes the evil storytellers* @.@
KarToon12 3rd Apr 2015, 6:40 AM edit delete reply

Cue Kyle getting an arc reactor in his chest like Ironman. XD
velvetsanity 3rd Apr 2015, 1:35 PM edit delete reply

I second the arc reactor, provided it's package with several ounces of sense
Stormwind13 3rd Apr 2015, 7:16 PM edit delete reply

Unfortunately, even in Data Chaser's universe, I don't think that would be a possible package, velvet. I fear (like now) that is mostly about gaining experience. While Kyle just gained a PAINFUL experience, I fear he won't be around long enough to learn from it.
VanEzzania 3rd Apr 2015, 6:46 AM edit delete reply

Knew it.
The Old Scribe 3rd Apr 2015, 6:51 AM edit delete reply

"When I was just a baby, my mother told me Son,
Always be a good boy, don't ever play with guns"

Nice pattern, Deci. Poor dumb kid, it was nice, knowin' ya. No one's full of enough blood nannies to shrug off three to the chest. Case closed.
Stormwind13 3rd Apr 2015, 7:13 PM edit delete reply

Agreed Scribe. Unless outside forces take a hand (looking at Dr. Julia Willis and Archpriest Setorius), Kyle will be cold meat on the floor in about 4 or 5 minutes.
Johninaustin 3rd Apr 2015, 6:59 AM edit delete reply
GOOD work on the blood.

Two comments and I'll get off my UOF instructor soapbox.

There is no such thing as non-lethal. It's less-lethal. EVERY method can kill in the wrong circumstances.

ALWAYS center of mass. That means of what is visible. It just may be COM is some guy's left ear.

Oh, operators work for the phone company. Outside of video games no one actually in the field uses the term except as an insult.
Sheela 3rd Apr 2015, 8:28 PM edit delete reply

Oh good, I was worried I was the only one annoyed at how many use "operator" all the time.
velvetsanity 4th Apr 2015, 5:32 AM edit delete reply

I was mostly wondering why people were using the word. If I had to apply a term, I'd say 'Agents' rather than 'Operators' (as in, 'Agents of <insert name of employer here>'). Of course, the term 'agent' makes many people think of James Bond or the CIA...
Sheela 4th Apr 2015, 7:45 AM edit delete reply

I think it was originally used as a politically correct word for mercenaries/private contractors/private security forces, and then it became a buzzword for the arms dealers, and then the video game industry picked it up and thought it sounded cool.
So now a bunch of kids use it.

Well, that's how I've understood it.

Can also be used as a fancy words for anyone who operates heavy equipment / cranes / trucks and so forth.
velvetsanity 4th Apr 2015, 5:41 PM edit delete reply

Maybe people mean 'operative' when they say 'operator'?
WitUnderPressure 3rd Apr 2015, 7:13 AM edit delete reply

All right. Sorry for the interruption. Let's continue eating.
lalverson 3rd Apr 2015, 8:33 AM edit delete reply
Three shots, looks like he knows about gun control. A tight shot group...

While I'm not 100% certain our boy Kyle is dead it does seem that way.

Might not have been the best idea to go full Rambo..
Boren 3rd Apr 2015, 10:28 AM edit delete reply
Well about the only good thing that could possibly come of this is big D may just to the conclusion that "This is the rescue the mighty cent com put together a single foolish boy" he may in fact lower his guard at this point assuming that the rescue attempt is dead and his hot blood may in fact be cooled a bit by having personally dispatched this threat. Yes I'm fully aware that to a sound, objective, tactical mind this is all a bunch of nonsense, but we have clearly seen this man in none of those things.
Centcomm 4th Apr 2015, 2:08 PM edit delete reply

you know that is possible :D but the princes paranoia might expect more than one attack :D
MST3KFan 3rd Apr 2015, 11:06 AM edit delete reply

Well, that went swimmingly. Yeesh.
Tokyo Rose 4th Apr 2015, 6:37 AM edit delete reply

Cent, stop paddling around in the blood!
DLKmusic 4th Apr 2015, 1:32 PM edit delete reply
Awwww, Cmon, Rose! Cent works hard, and deserves some "ME" time!!!!
Centcomm 4th Apr 2015, 2:07 PM edit delete reply

But but !! *splish.. splash.. *
Phil_ 3rd Apr 2015, 11:14 AM edit delete reply
Yay, the useless idiot is finally out of the way!

Now , clearly, Lynn is going to be wracked with grief. She'll be confused... vulnerable... she'll need a strong, compelling protector.. Good thing Decimus is right there!
Phew, story wrapped up nice and tidy. She marries decimus, war is averted, mama gets to see her again... Diplomacy at it's finest! Good story, TR and CC. I enjoyed it.
Centcomm 4th Apr 2015, 2:07 PM edit delete reply

I approve this message :D
Tokamada01 3rd Apr 2015, 1:14 PM edit delete reply

For all the remarks about Decimus being a fool, I must remind everyone that a real fool could never hold on to a crown long. Is Decimus a Caligula or a Claudius?

Case in point Decimus was able to respond faster than his Cassian death machine.

I also agree with everything
Tango Xray Actual said above. I'd like to add to what he said.

Understand fully ANY shot Decimus takes can kill Kyle outright, but if you're pulling a gun to save your life you do it almost by impulse and how you were trained. Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6 as the police say.


Understanding that Decimus took three shots...

If Decimus wants Kyle to live for interrogation three shots in tight group is best.

The three shots in tight grouping is military/police training, and is sometimes used for stopping rather than killing, as three shots in the same area (center mass) induces no further trauma, its meant for stopping your opponent.

But Kyle aint gunna be happy..
There is a doctor in the house is there not?


If Decimus wants Kyle dead he will "double tap" meaning take the recoil from the pistol and fire an additional quick headshot as the pistol barrel moves higher. This is common training/practice among military police, law enforcement, and handgun enthusiasts. Three shots were fired which means we have a "walk".

Three shots allows the recoil to "walk" the pistol upward, means chest (center mass), upper torso, head. The chest shot goes for take-down, the upper torso induces trauma and blood loss to a different area (twice the holes for blood to leave), the head shot goes for the kill, also compensates for potential body armor.

...also means goodnight Kyle...hope you have the cyberpunk equivalent of a decentralized heart, brain casing and emergency medical nanites.


stoppdenbus 3rd Apr 2015, 2:51 PM edit delete reply

And now for something completely different ... I just noted that there is a crossover from whiteout - i think the list is from Ceci
Centcomm 3rd Apr 2015, 8:11 PM edit delete reply

Yeppers ! ( this was done with our permission ! )
CptKerion 3rd Apr 2015, 4:54 PM edit delete reply
On seeing the look on Lynn's face I feel really sorry for rooting for Deck in this particular case...
She just saw someone killed in front of her. People don't come back from that completely. Sure they come back some, but it's always there and you can never get rid of it.
That it happened to someone relatively close to her... god it's going to break her. I can't think of anything in her life that could have possibly prepared her for this. It's not like her mother and father, they knew there was a possibility one of them could die.

At this point, we must hope that fallout from this event gives the extraction team time to work rather than just restricting their ability to do so.
DLKmusic 3rd Apr 2015, 5:15 PM edit delete reply

We can say all we want about what an idiot Kyle was here, but let's not forget something important.... He DID stand up for something (or someone) that he believed in strongly, and even though it's probably posthumous, he does deserve our respect for that.
CptKerion 3rd Apr 2015, 5:26 PM edit delete reply
Yes. It at least will be an epitaph with some good things to say about him.
Centcomm 3rd Apr 2015, 8:11 PM edit delete reply

he does .. begrudgingly.. >_<
Lukkai 5th Apr 2015, 7:54 PM edit delete reply
He also chose to stand up for it in a way that did harm to what he stood up for. No respect for that, sorry.
lalverson 3rd Apr 2015, 5:22 PM edit delete reply
As I have been know on a few occasions to write a story or two I find myself studying this particular panel, and all the stuff that surrounds it. Here are a few thoughts.

The title of this panel is Death(upright). Now in Tarot reading it does tend to mean the end of something, though not necessarily physical life. But it can also mean the end of a relationship or the end of an era.

For Lynn it is that. She has now seen someone she knows and cares about killed or extremely wounded. Though through her adventure her innocence has been slowly picked away this event shows just how personal it can get. Should she herself survive she will not be the same person she was and where she seems to be headed Kyle would have not really had a place with her in the long run.

Kyle, though he does seem to get rather dutifully ended in the physical, I cannot help but wonder is he really totally gone? He was sent there to try and fix Nova Romas' AIS, but in truth him getting that close would take some truly Herculean efforts on Acanthas' part and would have piqued more and a few persons' interest. Kyle was cybered up and as far as we know Rose did or monitored a good deal of it. If Dolly could transfer to a near human chassis would it be possible for a human to go the other way? Granted it is a huge guess but there likley was a number of ways to aim Kyle in the right direction to avoid what happened.

I look at this as a pawn being removed from the board but the strategy goes past the pawn to a different kind of chess.
Stormwind13 5th Apr 2015, 8:00 AM edit delete reply

Dr. Veronica Silver and Mr. Erik Nova in Fractured Peace 02 (29 July 2012) and Fractured Peace 03 (4 August 2012) discussed transferring skills to a human, Ialverson. Dr. Silver indicated it wouldn't be happening any time soon. Even Mr. Nova was talking a decade out. To do a complete swap of a person to another 'machine' would be at least a magnitude harder, I think.

Or has someone already solved it? We still don't know what Tokyo Rose is. Did she start as human and make the leap to machine? Or is she a quirky AI? Or an amalgamation of a human and an AI? The world (and the readers) may never know.
Kitty 3rd Apr 2015, 6:57 PM edit delete reply
Well. This was educational.

Good thing I ate already ;P
Howard 3rd Apr 2015, 9:40 PM edit delete reply
Wow I never see a simple act of the bad guy shooting a good guy being picked apart so completely lol. He will live i think, I mean its the future, 3 bullets in the chest are not as lethal as they once were. Besides, I am pretty sure this is gonna end up with them fleeing to, and fixing the AI, and they need him to do that.
Timotheus 3rd Apr 2015, 10:44 PM edit delete reply

Aren't we all going to feel foolish when this turns out to be a Kyle puppet he built out of scavenged kitchen utensils and he's been running it by remote control from the pantry.
Tango Xray Actual 4th Apr 2015, 12:05 AM edit delete reply
Clone, Clone of my own...

(By Randell Garret, to the tune of Home on the Range....)

Dan 4th Apr 2015, 7:50 AM edit delete reply
GG Kyle
Rashala 4th Apr 2015, 1:32 PM edit delete reply

........Rememebr folks.... So long as his HEAD is nto splattered all over creation there is a -chance- he might survive ....Right now its all up to Rose/mirako And well the local NOT Decimus
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