Oopps, Boom~Boom~Bang~Snap~Krackle~Pop Clean up on Aisle 3 please, please fix the pin spotter aisle 4 and set-em up again. Please be aware that targets in your rear view mirrors may be closer than you think. Hup-two-three-four kill these suckers and shoot some more.
Interesting side of Ada. And consistent with what we know of her as well.
All that has been said though, I am fairly sure this group cannot hold off the combined might of the Roma military. Simple numbers will prevail once Roma knows what is going on.
having said that, if they do have to do such a fight, they have already failed. Lynn would not survive an extraction in that kind of firefight. Odds are, none of them would. Silver is simply talking about the penetration and extraction WITHOUT facing off against the might of Romas military. Anyone resisting in the teams way is simply a target to get mowed down in the most expedient manner possible.
15mm sabot rifle, tungsten carbide flechettes with a depleted uranium core please!
Ahurm sorry, just love my firepower.
Prefer a good old projectile weapon to almost any energy weapon. You can seriously much up an energy weapon, rendering it completely ineffective from all angles with relatively simple means. A gun like the above described needs some really, really thick armor to stop it.
Wouldn't a gun like that knock you on your ass just as well as your enemy?
A-10 Warthog aircraft have governors on their tank-busting Gatling guns because if they fired them full speed, it would shove the plane backwards in the air.
With proper recoil compensation such a sabot rifle wouldn't knock you on your ass. Bruise your shoulder? probably.
Keep in mind, it's not firing a solid slug, though it is firing one of those above mentioned flechettes at a rather distinctly high velocity.
The idea is to go in one side of an armored target and come out the other.
It's also one of the rifles I used a lot in the alternity tabletop and that was my preferred load for it.
Go in one side of a body tank, come out the other, kill the bastard behind it.
A 12 gauge slug is .690 -.729in diameter. A .50 cal is .500. There are some specialty shotgun rounds that are currently only available to SOCCOM that can put the hoodoo on lightly armored vehicles out to about 85 yards. Beyond that the rounds fall to the ground rather quick and lose all of their inertia. But inside that range, the results are devastating.
That's not really possible, the engines put out more than enough thrust to counter that, it's not the recoil that's the problem, it's the gases from the gun firing building up too fast in the gun bay and detonating before the purging system can clear them out...that and you can only spin the gun so fast before the parts can't keep up and it jams or things break. The gun the Russians used on some fighters can spit out over 10,000 23mm rounds per minute and they never had a problem with it 'pushing the aircraft backwards'...gun gas getting sucked into the intake and stalling the engine, maybe, but not the recoil.
*mental image TEdee walks in Two Giatn Gattle plasma cannons one in each hand Shoulder mounted missile and greanade launchers attached to targeting headgear she's wearing And Several NAnowire claymores aimed out from her body as antipersonnel gear.........And Marcus just shaking his head
LOL there is a difference between what we want to take in to battle.. and what is available.. personally.. I would have rather have turned the place to slag and call it a day... but.. thats not an option.. I would also would have rather had a larger team of heavy drones, NT-01 assault armor, assault craft ... orbital covering fire, and a contingent of tanks and heavy bombers... sadly.. none of those were available at the time.. so they had to send me and my team instead .... remember boys and girls.. if its worth bombing... its worth carpet bombing..
I will probably leave a very intelligent, thoughtful, thorough response to this page, but it's going to take me a couple of days to repair my broken jaw from when it hit the floor here.
I'd take a slug thrower over a ray gun any day. New Roma's body armor may deflect a ray, but in no way can it defect an armor piercing bullet. A .357 or a .44 round will crack an engine block. Slugs made of steel, tungsten carbide or depleted uranium would Swiss cheese any body armor any time.
Without knowing how much power is supposed to be in these energy weapons I can't argue direct effect with you. One thing though: If they have some sort of bullshitanium power source that lets you discharge lots of energy then an energy weapon is decidedly better at area-effect damage from saturating the vicinity with heat. Carefully slagging a tank with a couple minutes work holding down a trigger and pointing at the right spots is just something a slug thrower can't do even with the pyrotic effects of uranium ammo. (The stuff is poisonous anyway, don't use uranium ammo.)
No tank's gonna sit still and be hosed down with a ray gun for two minutes unless both it's treads are blown off. A sabot or a flechette round in the turret however ...
Stunners are short range weapons due to the high energy output and capacity of the power cell. They are also bulkier than normal weapons, they are often used in special cases where you do not wish to harm the target - However due to the way a stunner works by disrupting the voluntary nervous system.
Normally by a high EM burst carried by electrical effects as a conduit its not uncommon for burns and in rare cases death from CNS collapse.
So while a stunner is "safer" than a slug or a energy pulse - it is , as all weapons are, it carry's a risk of harm or death.
Ill also point out the Stunner burns Lynn suffered when Dari shot her and even Gavins low powered stunner gave Lynn a first degree burn.
I believe that if their armor is not meant to take the attacks from a heavy stunner, using stunners would be more politically sound.
Especially if these things have even halfway decent range.
politically correct went out the window when we were sent on this mission... if they wanted politically correct, we would have never made it out of the hanger.
Politically correct is WASTED on his royal Douchimus, Marcus. CentComm wants the problem resolved, not politely politically danced around for months on end.
I'd rather say: If their armour is not made to stop a hit from a stunner, it might actually be the better or at least equally valid choice.
If I'm going for a quick in-out mission, I'll want to drop my opponents as quickly and thoroughly as possible. I don't care if they awake with nothing more than a burn on their skin half an hour after I'm gone. So if a stunner is reliably and quickly sending them down, it is a good choice.
one of these days, Ill see if I can get Cent Com to do a mock up of old Gloria, we sadly had to retire that model because of compatibility issues with the newer versions of daz... but.. she was glorious.. Sadly, you need to be cybernetically enhanced, or a combat android to fire it, or it has to be a stationary emplacement weapon if you are not..
Energy requirement would be a trade-off. Problem with future wars is using: Energy weapons (plasma,EMP, ext), Shielding (both personal and transport). Even a Kamehameha wave. (Couldn't resist putting that one in!)
The sign of a 'true' professional in any armed service is the recognition of the effectiveness of the economic use of force. This type of approach has dividends that are not apparent to the sophomore.
I like characters like Ada. One who stands by her ethical compass.
Ada isn't immune to raging.
Though obviously, it's TeeDee's specialty. :)
All that has been said though, I am fairly sure this group cannot hold off the combined might of the Roma military. Simple numbers will prevail once Roma knows what is going on.
having said that, if they do have to do such a fight, they have already failed. Lynn would not survive an extraction in that kind of firefight. Odds are, none of them would. Silver is simply talking about the penetration and extraction WITHOUT facing off against the might of Romas military. Anyone resisting in the teams way is simply a target to get mowed down in the most expedient manner possible.
I wish I could get to know Ada better. :-)
Ahurm sorry, just love my firepower.
Prefer a good old projectile weapon to almost any energy weapon. You can seriously much up an energy weapon, rendering it completely ineffective from all angles with relatively simple means. A gun like the above described needs some really, really thick armor to stop it.
A-10 Warthog aircraft have governors on their tank-busting Gatling guns because if they fired them full speed, it would shove the plane backwards in the air.
Keep in mind, it's not firing a solid slug, though it is firing one of those above mentioned flechettes at a rather distinctly high velocity.
The idea is to go in one side of an armored target and come out the other.
It's also one of the rifles I used a lot in the alternity tabletop and that was my preferred load for it.
Go in one side of a body tank, come out the other, kill the bastard behind it.
10 mm is comparable with a 44 mag.
All that And the Cyber-Smaug I built that SOMEONE *eyes rose&* Stole
It isn't always who has the most, but who gets the most to a given POINT that wins the battle.
AKA why the US won both world wars, we had a massive supply/logistics advantage.
Priorities!
Voice recorder.
...as a medic she does not want to hurt somebody - even the enemy...
"fifth is pizza"
The rest of Team Kill-Em-All?
Not so much!
Normally by a high EM burst carried by electrical effects as a conduit its not uncommon for burns and in rare cases death from CNS collapse.
So while a stunner is "safer" than a slug or a energy pulse - it is , as all weapons are, it carry's a risk of harm or death.
Ill also point out the Stunner burns Lynn suffered when Dari shot her and even Gavins low powered stunner gave Lynn a first degree burn.
Especially if these things have even halfway decent range.
If I'm going for a quick in-out mission, I'll want to drop my opponents as quickly and thoroughly as possible. I don't care if they awake with nothing more than a burn on their skin half an hour after I'm gone. So if a stunner is reliably and quickly sending them down, it is a good choice.
I like characters like Ada. One who stands by her ethical compass.