Comic 1184 - Price of Admission

24th May 2015, 9:00 PM
Price of Admission
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Stormwind13 24th May 2015, 9:04 PM edit delete reply

Good advice. Now can Kyle actually FOLLOW it (this time). :-)
JacobJSebastian 24th May 2015, 9:14 PM edit delete reply

Paraphrasing here:

"Look at the big brain on Kyle!!!"
Pirtnac 25th May 2015, 1:24 AM edit delete reply
Hey, that scene ENDED with the guy getting shot. This scene STARTED with the guy getting shot. Totally different.

Also, as much as I want bad things to happen to Kyle... Now that he's pretty much playing Splinter Cell, his chances just increased by a lot.
Dragonrider 24th May 2015, 9:25 PM edit delete reply

OK that is almost useless advice, "Use that big brain". He's already proved that doesn't happen. Wonder what will happen when he finds out he is a blood sacrifice to fix Aeneas, his blood carries the nanites needed to do the repair.
Haegan2005 24th May 2015, 9:37 PM edit delete reply

Actually, the first part of the repair is likely as simple as replacing cables. Cables stored right next to the self repair centers....

Tokyo Rose 24th May 2015, 10:42 PM edit delete reply

No, Kyle is not going to be ritually sacrificed on Aeneas's primary control console or something. Working in tech support, I'm accustomed to the term "voodoo fix", but sheesh. ;D
Haegan2005 24th May 2015, 11:24 PM edit delete reply

But imagine the great story it would make!

For about 6 panels...
CptKerion 25th May 2015, 11:23 AM edit delete reply
Rose, could you define voodoo fix for me please?
For the life of me, google just keeps coming up with a band or all the separate parts not the whole term.
anonymous coward 25th May 2015, 12:24 PM edit delete reply
Perhaps they're referring to a practice known as, "Easter Egging," in the Jargon File?
http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/E/Easter-egging.html
Other likely possibilities include, "rain dance," "wave a dead chicken," and, "casting the runes."
Sheela 25th May 2015, 1:30 PM edit delete reply

Sure we are not going tro sacrifice Kyle on Aeneas altar of Techsupport. >:)

Just like Rose also does not turn into a bloodthirsty beast if fed after midnight, nor does she mass self-replicate if doused with water.
Tokyo Rose 25th May 2015, 2:41 PM edit delete reply

A "voodoo fix" is similar to "easter egging" (which I've heard used more for hardware than software), where you do things that don't even seem related to the original problem, but somehow manage to fix the issue anyway. (I once cracked up every second-level tech on duty by popping onto the group chat and asking for advice in a paragraph that included the phrase "I've done everything but slaughter a black-feathered cockerel on top of the case".)

I'm surprised to find that it isn't in common usage; I wonder if it was unique to the local tech support personnel pool?
Haegan2005 25th May 2015, 3:58 PM edit delete reply

No, I heard of it as well. Though I was also doing tech support at the time. DOS 6.22 rules!
Timotheus 25th May 2015, 4:03 PM edit delete reply

One of my best friends was involved in a case of "exorcism repair". After months of effort they tried soldering a crucifix to a tester at our electronics firm. It worked. Remove the cross and the fixture returned to being unreliable. So they left it there. When the department head demanded they remove it, their shift leader covered it with a table of metric conversions as camouflage.
Tokyo Rose 25th May 2015, 5:57 PM edit delete reply

That... that is beautiful.
Morituri 25th May 2015, 10:06 PM edit delete reply
I know exactly how that happened. The hardware problem would be a resistor that's slightly too sensitive to voltage changes and switches state at provocation that shouldn't matter, or a switch that's no longer properly debounced sending "chatter" at the system when it gets toggled. The crucifix acted as a capacitor - "charging" it meant slightly smoothing out spikes or breaks in the current. Any lump of metal having the same or similar capacitance value, including a pentagram with a ram's head inscribed in it, would have worked. The crucifix was just "appropriate."
antrik 13th Oct 2016, 3:35 AM edit delete reply
Wow... That's even more hilarious than the legendary "more magic" switch :-)

(Though probably the same underlying effect.)
Centcomm 26th May 2015, 12:39 AM edit delete reply

I remember that one.. :D you had the floor laughing ..
Sheela 26th May 2015, 4:54 AM edit delete reply

Some say a local server room near where I live has runes carved into the shelves for extra protection.

But I stubbornly deny their existance!
On the bright side, we have had no floods yet.
anonymous coward 26th May 2015, 11:09 AM edit delete reply
That corresponds to specifically 'rain dance' or going through the motions of basic troubleshooting steps like re-plugging wires, re-seating chips and boards and stuff like that.
Most groups have specific lingo for these things that comes from shared group experiences which generate jargon.
CptKerion 26th May 2015, 6:34 PM edit delete reply
Thank you for providing the definition of that.
Sounds like what I keep having to do for my friends' computers (many of them don't have the money to hire a profession due to the whole 'poor college student' thing.)

I could go into a many thousand word long rant about my experiences with them, but I'll refrain from doing so, since I'd say the tech support people here have probably seen worse hell on the computer front than I could imagine.

I will consider it suffice to say that I cannot imagine the kind of patience it must take to do that stuff professionally or the kind of sarcasm that it would cause an individual to inflict.
Haegan2005 24th May 2015, 9:38 PM edit delete reply

I like the page comment, oh how true!

Far more fun to watch, then to "live in the interesting times..."
Stormwind13 25th May 2015, 9:16 AM edit delete reply

"Adventure. Ah, yes. That's someone else having a very rough go of it very far away." - Eric Flint

When it is YOU living it then it isn't an adventure, it is just TERRIFYING!
Haegan2005 25th May 2015, 9:35 AM edit delete reply

Unless you're Sheela. Puppies have adventures every day!

Toe nibblers...
Sheela 25th May 2015, 1:31 PM edit delete reply

Every day is an adventure!

... for others after I tie their shoelaces together. >:)
Stormwind13 25th May 2015, 3:22 PM edit delete reply

Unleashing Sheela on ANYONE is terrifying, Haegan! I mean, the slobbering... =O
Haegan2005 25th May 2015, 3:59 PM edit delete reply

The wet socks as she chews on them is something I will never forget!

Or for that matter, waiting until your not paying attention and then licking between your fingers.. Augh! a wake up lick I am doing my best to avoid again!

Hmm. I seem to recall a few matches and flipflops sheela.... Nice to o know your adaptable!
Sheela 26th May 2015, 4:56 AM edit delete reply

Hah .. "The Slobbering" !
It has a nice ring to it. :)

And yeah, one has to be flexible to get all the fish!
Rashala 24th May 2015, 10:39 PM edit delete reply

He has a point...An AIS is faster and has more power at its disposal than a human would in the VR envrioment...though a human Could theortically find way with their human chaotic nature to attack an ais they would nto expect and thus gain the upper hand..



But you'd have an easier time Teaching a Muderturd to be safe for hand feeding than that
DLKmusic 25th May 2015, 12:12 AM edit delete reply

Or, as Miraiko said, "not fighting at all can be the best option". Find a way to repair him without having to fight him to do it...
Pirtnac 25th May 2015, 1:27 AM edit delete reply
Like possibly jacking in to the systems on the other side of severed connections. Fix the uplink to Big A last then get out and on to the next one.

Hopefully by the time the AI is able to kill you, enough of it is working that it either knows not to, or you can get the hell out while it fixes itself the rest of the way.
Sheela 25th May 2015, 1:34 PM edit delete reply

Service announcement :
"Feeding Murderturds hands, is perfectly safe, thank you for your cooporation, and donate your feet too!"

This service announcement was brought to you by Mr Popolopolis. :)
Haegan2005 25th May 2015, 4:04 PM edit delete reply

I like your contribution to the cause of feeding murderturds sheela! I am sure the Mr Popolopolis's of the world will appreciate it once they know about the great effort you have made on their behalf!
Lukkai 25th May 2015, 9:18 PM edit delete reply

"Carl! His hands. Why—why are they missing? "
Morituri 25th May 2015, 10:10 PM edit delete reply
"Not fighting at all is the best option."

Like Acantha with her Cookie Of Good Intentions, Kyle should work on convincing Aeneas he's a friend who wants to help. Aeneas knows he's broken; Kyle is offering a chance to get better.

But it'll help a whole lot if he can get Acantha (or possibly Rose) to make introductions.
Sheela 26th May 2015, 4:58 AM edit delete reply

Well, it should be common knowledge that Murderturds do not take any damage from hands, one should spread the knowledge. :)

To be fair, there are some parts f Aeneas that does *not* know it's broken. And yes, i just mentioned Aeneas as an "it" !
mjkj 24th May 2015, 11:16 PM edit delete reply

...and switching pov in three, two, one...

Yeah Kyle, that is not a save point. You might die again - and this time it might be permanent...

...and use of the big brain is always preferred to the use of the little brain, Kyle.


PS: the next and last words of Miraiko to Kyle: it was nice knowing you... (or something the like...)

anonymous coward 25th May 2015, 9:37 AM edit delete reply
"...and use of the big brain is always preferred to the use of the little brain, Kyle."
We know that isn't true, if it were true there would be no porn on the internet. The fact that there is uncountable vast quantities of it and lots of people trying to sell some means there self-evidently are occasions, places and entire systems in place that call for the use of the little head.
Sheela 25th May 2015, 1:35 PM edit delete reply

Woooo ... the concepts of both "Kyle" and "permadeath" in the very same sentence!

I approve of this. :)
cattservant 25th May 2015, 1:25 AM edit delete reply

Got a train to catch...
Sheela 25th May 2015, 1:37 PM edit delete reply

Cars, pedestricans, grav-bikes, busses and even trains!
So much to chase down!

.. yes, it's a busy time for us doggies.
Haegan2005 25th May 2015, 4:00 PM edit delete reply

Never ending Adventure! Right up to supper time...
Sheela 26th May 2015, 4:59 AM edit delete reply

Supper time is an adventure too, if the supper tries to get away!
Fjolsvith 25th May 2015, 8:40 AM edit delete reply

I am really enjoying where the story is going now!
Stormwind13 25th May 2015, 9:04 AM edit delete reply

Don’t look any further than your own reflection for a hero” – Allyson Partridge

Sounds like what Kyle needs to be thinking. And THINKING is definitely what he needs to be doing! Else Aeneas will turn him into scattered atoms!
Stormwind13 25th May 2015, 9:27 AM edit delete reply

Since it was mentioned in the Luna Star comments for Artifactus Gone Wild, I have to say that Miraiko (in panel 2) comes a LOT closer to a cheesecake shot than Galina did. :-D

And damn, Miraiko looks FINE doing it too. Which is probably what the guy she just put in the hospital had to say before she significantly rearranged his body. :-D
XRzer04 25th May 2015, 10:06 AM edit delete reply

Okay, so Kyle screwed up Magnificently. Ridicule Me if you Haven't at some point. People grow and change and trauma is one of the most effective teachers known to man. Like Miraiko said, He Bought this opportunity, and Paid for it as well. Wishing him harm because of his past instead of allowing him the opportunity and benefit-of-the-doubt to move past it and succeed is exactly why the American criminal justice system only produces more determined and more desperate criminals.
Speaking of Living the Video Game as well as stupid things done in one's past, when I was Kyle's age I used to work as a bike messenger around Baltimore City all day long through major metro traffic, Tripping my balls off on large quantities of LSD. Talk about a real live vidgame... I used to hallucinate a heads up display (Which was Accurate) just for fun. I emerged from that experience without ever being seriously injured or causing any accidents, and eventually saw enough of Other People's mistakes to understand just how stupid that really was- Without the help of a somewhat friendly AIS (unless this really IS the Matrix). Give the kid a chance to grow up. It looks like he's trying to.
xpacetrue 25th May 2015, 12:24 PM edit delete reply

"...trauma is one of the most effective teachers known to man."
"Wishing him harm because of his past instead of allowing him the opportunity and benefit-of-the-doubt to move past it and succeed is exactly why the American criminal justice system only produces more determined and more desperate criminals."
"Give the kid a chance to grow up. It looks like he's trying to."

Hear, hear!
I still find it hard to believe so many readers want to see Kyle dead now. But to wish Lynn or Acantha would accidentally shoot him dead?! Yes, he did a stupid (singular, not plural). But it's not like he intended to hurt anyone aside from Prince Douchy. And we all want the Prince of Douchebaggery dead, don't we? And if either Lynn or Acantha accidentally shot Kyle to death, they'd be traumatized for life and us readers would be bawling our eyes out.
anonymous coward 25th May 2015, 12:37 PM edit delete reply
“Most of the evil in this world is done by people with good intentions.”
I generally don't subscribe to the simplistic/dualistic notions of good and evil, but I reserve the right to be harsh and dismissive of people who are stupid and careless with dangerous situations and lethal tools. It is true that wisdom tends to come after we really needed it. That said, dude had no real plan and nearly got himself and other people killed by failing to think, communicate and cooperate: People who are that stupid in real life mostly have earned the privilege of teaching the rest of us to do better by being negative examples.
Sheela 25th May 2015, 1:46 PM edit delete reply

People that are that stupid in real life, usually earn themselves a Darwin Award.
Haegan2005 25th May 2015, 4:02 PM edit delete reply

Or if they are REALLY unlucky, several Darwin awards. Durned nanite resurrections!
xpacetrue 25th May 2015, 9:35 PM edit delete reply

"...dude had no real plan and nearly got himself and other people killed by failing to think..."

Teens are impulsive. Don't get me wrong: Kyle deserves blame! Believe me, I was angry, too! But -some part- of the blame belongs to biology. Teen brains are not finished growing and have a lot of difficulty seeing the big picture.

Kyle was not only a teen, he was untrained and unprepared. If this happened in real life we'd blame whoever was stupid or desperate enough to send him on such a mission.

"People who are that stupid in real life mostly have earned the privilege of teaching the rest of us to do better by being negative examples."

Stupid? Yes. But it's not as if Kyle robbed a liquor store or doped up a friend. Anyway, how often do kids do stupid stuff? Should we wish death on all kids who pull a stupid for no other reason than they pulled a stupid?

While we're at it, maybe we should have TR written out of the story? Rose was the one who recruited Kyle for this job. She deserves some of the blame, doesn't she? (Though, personally, I think TR deserves slack because of what was at stake and because her brilliant contingencies did save the day.)

Oh, wait... Where's the victim? Who's life did Kyle destroy? Nobody's? Then why can't we just let Kyle live'n learn? Good, honest people who are driven by good intentions (instead of selfishness) seem in short supply. Isn't that worth something?
anonymous coward 26th May 2015, 11:57 AM edit delete reply
Mostly, I'm just shaking my fist at the apparent presence of the monomyth (I.E. Joseph Campbell's Hero of a Thousand Faces) in this story. That shit is so overdone I call it an obnoxious cliché when I see it, including all derivatives. You're confusing the issue by suggesting removal of Tokyo Rose and/or Kyle out of the story, which I did not do. The story is written, the characters are present, we're along for the ride and the creators have as much artistic license as anyone.
I did assert Kyle's actions in the story were lethally stupid and earned the right to enjoy a lethal reward. Yes, people engage in--and survive--lethal stupidity every day, not the least of which being texting while driving. Yes, Tokyo Rose enabled him to engage this stupidity, manipulated him into the position of working undercover in the palace which made it possible, so you can fairly argue she deserves more 'blame' for it than he does. You're right that blame is not an optimal construct for these sorts of issues where we're dealing with people that predictably are not rational, and the better overall response in real life is a combination of education, prevention and information/decision management. But even with this experience behind him he's still not a trained military/paramilitary operative with skill at handling time-sensitive, dangerous choices well. He shouldn't be where he is and going where he's going because it's likely he'll have another severe or lethal problem. He hasn't war-gamed this scenario until he knows what his opportunities and risks are unconsciously, I bet he doesn't know everything there is to know about Aeneas' systems when they were operating normally. I doubt he has real-time observation of everything there is to know about Aeneas and what the state of the problem he's walking into is, or that even if he did a human intellect is capable of grasping all of that. TR is essentially throwing a Kyle-shaped object at a time-sensitive problem because the disaster that unfolds if she does nothing seems predictably horrible. He wouldn't really have a chance to succeed if he hadn't been blessed with plot-armour as the chosen one who will delay Ragnarok for another generation. I actually want him to fail and disaster to happen when he dies and stays dead because at least that would be interesting. I predict that he'll actually end up being invited inside for tea by Lynn and Acantha if Aeneas doesn't kill him first, and the plucky teenagers will save the universe, ARRRGH!

Further reading on the topic of behaviour management with irrational people: http://harvardmagazine.com/2015/05/the-science-of-scarcity
DLKmusic 25th May 2015, 9:03 PM edit delete reply

@ XRzer04: Amen Brothah, you testify.... I'm also solidly in the "give Kyle a second chance" camp.

As Will Rogers once said: "some of us learn by reading, and some of us learn by watching others, but most of us just have to pee on the electric fence for ourselves."

Centcomm 26th May 2015, 12:36 AM edit delete reply

hehe ive actually seen someone do that.. it was rather amusing .. and very painful from the looks of it ..
DizzasterJuice 25th May 2015, 10:46 AM edit delete reply

I love that term "black ice cowboys". It really paints a picture of space as the new "wild west".
xpacetrue 25th May 2015, 12:02 PM edit delete reply

Perhaps space in this comic is like that. But "black ice cowboys" is a very clear reference to the Shadowrun franchise/games. "Black Ice" is an illegal cyberspace intrusion countermeasure which can cause physical harm or death to hackers. A "Cowboy" is a quote, "very hot, professional deckjockey". And "Deckjockey" is an expert cyberdeck user who uses cybernetic implants and "Decker" equipment to hack cyberspace. (For more info, see this Shadowrun Slang Glossary.)

Very coincidentally: This weekend there was a sale on Steam ("Shadowrun Weekend Deal") which included Shadowrun Returns (80% off), Shadowrun: Dragonfall (70% off), and the new Shadowrun: Hong Kong (??% off?). "Was", being the operative word. At a few dollars each, they were hard to resist.
Stormwind13 25th May 2015, 12:39 PM edit delete reply

Actually, Shadowrun 'borrowed' Black ICE from William Gibson, xpace. Gibson introduced it in Neuromancer in 1984. ICE (Intrusion Countermeasures Electronics) was introduced by Gibson in a short story a couple years earlier, Burning Chrome. As was the console cowboy.
anonymous coward 25th May 2015, 12:41 PM edit delete reply
Ick, those terms are not local to Shadowrun. Shadowrun borrows them from the works of William Gibson, reference the wildly popular works Burning Chrome, Neuromancer, and Count Zero particularly.
*retreats in disgust from people getting dirty magic on his cyberpunk*
Sheela 25th May 2015, 1:51 PM edit delete reply

Curiously, there used to be a SoftICE kernel mode debugger for Windows, back in the 80's.

And BlackICE was a security software made by IBM Internet Security Systems, I kid you not.
Centcomm 25th May 2015, 7:15 PM edit delete reply

Yep Kyle is refering to Cyberspace.. also this is from "Cyberpunk" from William Gibson Burning chrome and ect all - i was never keen on mixing magic and tech .. So stormwind and AC got it in one .. :D

But basicly Black ICE can KILL. a unprotected netrunner..
Lukkai 26th May 2015, 3:56 PM edit delete reply

I like Shadowrun a lot, myself. But they definitely took a lot from Gibson's work when creating the world and especially its jargon.

Which just means they did as anything with even a slight whiff of cyberpunk has done since Gibson published. His work is that influential.
KarToon12 25th May 2015, 2:08 PM edit delete reply

Time to apply some Metal Gear stealth. :D
Tokyo Rose 25th May 2015, 2:46 PM edit delete reply

Metal Gear?!

(couldn't resist)
Timotheus 25th May 2015, 4:09 PM edit delete reply

Does Kyle have a card board box?
Tokyo Rose 25th May 2015, 5:59 PM edit delete reply

!
Lukkai 25th May 2015, 9:24 PM edit delete reply

Who's there!?
Sheela 26th May 2015, 5:03 AM edit delete reply

A PINK card board box !
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