Comic 1194 - XIV Temperance ( Reversed )

16th Jun 2015, 9:00 PM
XIV Temperance ( Reversed )
Average Rating: 5 (18 votes)

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Centcomm 17th Jun 2015, 8:10 PM edit delete
Centcomm
had a bit of a computer issue today .. apparently more of the damage from the lighting strike the system received Prior to my move back to arizona caused issues in my Ram that have now surfaced with a vengeance..

It is suggested that I replace all the ram in the machine .. ( that was not replaced when the motherboard and CPU were replaced )

looks like its gonna be about 100.00 So any donations are going to go towards that. Patreon is a good way and also Paypal ! - Sorry for asking but the sooner its taken care of the better .. :D the problem is band aided right now .. but the other sticks could fail as well .. anything thrown in the tip jar is very very appreciated !
Centcomm 18th Jun 2015, 11:01 AM edit delete
Centcomm
ALSO many thanks to Celti a friend of mine that came over and cleaned up some of the HTML on the site and did all the memory tests and such .. three cheers!
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Mark_L_A 16th Jun 2015, 9:11 PM edit delete reply

Ohhhh BLOCKED!!!! I almost said a different type of block. but remembered this is a family type message board, or at least I try to act like it is. :)

Going by Maxus' comment, he really expects Hrist to actually do better than she currently is.

Hmmmmmmm, maybe Hrist and Malati really are just playing it up, to allow Maxus to "Defeat" them so he and Irene can excape.

ETA: looking carefully I see what he is talking about. A one handed hold on the sword when trying to strike, especially as long as her sword is, not enough leverage for a proper blow/strike, also due to the swords own inertia, with a one handed hold she won't be able to strike, or parry or even do any basic moves for attack or defense other than hack and slash. Maxus' sword being shorter, plus his own hand, wrist, forearm and shoulder strength has no issues like that. Basically because of his strength and training, he can use even a heavy shortsword almost like a rapier.

Hrist on the other hand, is using a sword that is Katana sized, with the balance issue of trying to attack withonly one arm/hand to control. You can do it with a Katana, but it's not easy, and it requires a LOT of forearm/hand/wrist strength.

So either Hrist really is knocked for a loop or she IS with Malati sort of, in trying to avoid an order she doesn't want to carry out.

And Hrist? Really? A jump attack from that angle? You're not taking peripheral vision into account.
Tokyo Rose 17th Jun 2015, 12:27 AM edit delete reply

Hrist does possess enough strength to manage her sword one-handed, but all the strength in the world can be wasted when the weapon's designed to be used with two hands for maximum power and control.

Hrist is accustomed to being faster, stronger, and far more experienced in a fight than the majority of her opponents. A sudden attack from an unexpected angle would have done the job on many of them. Maxus is a different story entirely. :)
Mark_L_A 17th Jun 2015, 2:08 AM edit delete reply

Precisely M'lady Rose.

Hrist is acting over confident and not taking full advantage of her weapon nor her training.

I predict it will come back to bite her in the tushie rather badly.
Centcomm 17th Jun 2015, 12:24 PM edit delete reply

MOst people would not have survived Hrists first attack let alone a overhead decapitation Strike.. and shes using enough force to cleave right though a engine block.. the main difference between Hrists and Maxus's blades are that max's is a power blade and thicker and heavier while Hrists is simply a Duralloy blade.. and Max is very skilled in close quarters.. most of the time Hrist's "fights" consist of getting to the target and taking them out.
CptKerion 17th Jun 2015, 6:01 PM edit delete reply
The difference in this fight is easily put as this. Hrist is an assassin, used to killing quickly against opponents unprepared for her. Max is a gladiator, used to fighting foes that are his match or more.
She goes in with the deck stacked in her favor. Surprise, superior body and such are usually her advantages.
He goes in with it either evenly cut or stacked against him. His mind is usually his only advantage.

In this situation, you took Hrists usual advantages and gave them to the guy used having only his wit and personal skill over his opponents. He still has wit and personal skill.
Sheela 17th Jun 2015, 11:03 PM edit delete reply

... kendo ?
Computant 18th Aug 2016, 8:06 PM edit delete reply
When I did Kendo, one of the "killing" blows was cutting the opponent's right arm off. A hit to the left wrist didn't count-unless...
If you got the left wrist when the sword was above their head it counted.
The right hand provides direction, the left power. Once the sword is swinging, a hit to the left is too late so doesn't count, but a hit to the right wrist leaves your opponent helpless as no one (in kendo) practiced fighting with just the left hand.
Haegan2005 16th Jun 2015, 9:12 PM edit delete reply

Okay, when your opponent makes it look easy, this bodes ill for you...

Were I Hrist, I would be debating leaving about now, which would be about an entire encounter too late to leave!
xpacetrue 16th Jun 2015, 9:23 PM edit delete reply

Even if she wanted to, I don't think Hrist could leave. Orders are orders and all that.
anonymous coward 16th Jun 2015, 9:43 PM edit delete reply
Depends. If a tactical assessment is made, "Mission is impossible without reinforcements and an ambush," she might be able to go get some and set up an ambush. If you're looking at some degree of failure no matter what you do, most folks try to see what they can get in the shape of a partial-win or loss-cutting.
DLKmusic 17th Jun 2015, 12:34 AM edit delete reply

only problem with that though is that this is an assassination attempt. You only get one shot at it, and you either come home with your shield or on it, and there really isn't any middle ground.
anonymous coward 17th Jun 2015, 2:31 AM edit delete reply
Bullshit: If you honestly believe, "I can't win like this," the sane response isn't to commit suicide by trying. It would be to call for backup or otherwise change the circumstances somehow. Frankly, dead guards and broken Cassians for a live Maxus to show around and use to start a movement to shitcan Decimus is even worse of a loss condition than escaping with the bodies to tell Decimus he kicked their asses. That escape would also be worse than completing the assassination attempt successfully, but too noisy and messy to keep quiet and letting witnesses get away.
Remember, failure is just like most things in life: There are all sorts of subtle differences between the various possibilities, and we have to do our best to make the right choices.
DLKmusic 17th Jun 2015, 9:18 AM edit delete reply

A: There is no backup to call for. Noctis is backing up Nox as per her orders from Kali, Kali won't get personally involved, the prince's own have proven less than useless, and the normal guards would side with maxus even if they were close enough to call, which as Cent and Rose clearly announced last page, were ordered away from the area.

B: If they can't break free of melee with maxus as it stands, how the hell do you expect them to remove 5 corpses in a retreat?

C: Going back empty handed in failure is a death sentence. We already know enough about Decimus to know he would have them dissassembled for that. Falling in Combat to Maxus there's the possibility of being revived into a new frame.

All choices are bad, but remember, they STARTED this attempt with "Too noisy and messy to keep quiet". That seriously limited their options at this stage, and retreating isn't currently one of them.

Like I said, come home with your shield or on it.
anonymous coward 17th Jun 2015, 9:51 AM edit delete reply
There are more than four Cassians, and I'd be shocked if Dumbass weren't demanding continuous status updates as well. Dumb and crazy as he is I'm sure Decimus prefers dispatching all the rest of the Cassians and a couple platoons of guards with varied weapons to letting Maxus walk away from this one unharmed.
Stormwind13 17th Jun 2015, 9:26 AM edit delete reply

The problem anonymous is you used the word, sane. Douchimus is the one that issued the orders Hrist is bound by. Sane is NOT what I think of when talking about him. Since she isn't free, she may have no choice but carry her orders out, or die fighting the inhibitor.
xpacetrue 17th Jun 2015, 9:27 AM edit delete reply

"...she might be able to go get some and set up an ambush..."

I have to agree with DLKmusic: There's only one shot at assassination, especially with Maxus. They had the element of surprise - caught him with his pants down even. Key word being "HAD". They won't be able to surprise Maxus again like this.

If they left now (assuming it isn't against their programming) they'd have to explain their failure to Kali and/or Decimus. Meanwhile, Maxus would call for reinforcements, don his battle armor, grab his weapons, and get Irene to a safe location. Then he'd be out for Deci's blood.
DLKmusic 16th Jun 2015, 9:21 PM edit delete reply

OK, Cassians, execute your brilliant plan... Any time now!
Haegan2005 16th Jun 2015, 9:40 PM edit delete reply

I am sure they did when they purchased body replacement insurance just before they broke down the door! I sure would have if I were them!
T1-G3R2501 17th Jun 2015, 6:18 AM edit delete reply
I would not expect Cassians to get paid at all with Nova Roma being the way it is. Though I'm sure the 'Good prince' do have a few clunkers in the back to swap them in.
Centcomm 17th Jun 2015, 12:26 PM edit delete reply

They USED to be given a stipend and other luxury's to make them comfortable .. but those went away under Decimus.. Remember Malati pining for her old quarters. rather than a barracks.
Tokyo Rose 17th Jun 2015, 3:34 PM edit delete reply

Decimus insisted on making them live in a barracks rather than giving them the latitude to make their own living arrangements, but Kali ensured that they still receive their pay. Aurelian rewarded them for their services. Valerius extended them the respect due to skilled professionals. Decimus treats them like tools.
Lukkai 17th Jun 2015, 4:59 PM edit delete reply

Which wouldn't come as a suprise, considering to him they're nothing but.
Dragonrider 16th Jun 2015, 9:25 PM edit delete reply

"Brief Lesson?" This could prove interesting.
anonymous coward 16th Jun 2015, 9:44 PM edit delete reply
Sounds overconfident to me, but what do I know?
Stormwind13 17th Jun 2015, 5:53 AM edit delete reply

"It ain't bragging if you can do it!" - Dizzy Dean

"Conceit is bragging about yourself. Confidence means you can get the job done." - Johnny Unitas

So far Maxus has gotten done what he said He would.
Dragonrider 17th Jun 2015, 8:51 AM edit delete reply

He hasn't seen the knife to his lady's throat yet.
Stormwind13 17th Jun 2015, 10:05 AM edit delete reply

True, Dragonrider. See how he responds to that. Since Maxus and Irene are under a death sentence though, it may do little. Surrendering will certainly result in their deaths. Resisting MAY result in their deaths, but is only way they might survive.
T1-G3R2501 17th Jun 2015, 11:24 AM edit delete reply
My combat teacher would define brief as "A fight of 6 moves" I want to see how Maxus 'teaches' the Cassians.
Pirtnac 17th Jun 2015, 12:26 AM edit delete reply
Either my 3rd favorite Cassian is about to require maintenance or someone may be catching on that his remaining two opponents are pulling their punches.
Centcomm 17th Jun 2015, 12:27 PM edit delete reply

now im curious who you your first and second ones are .. :D
T1-G3R2501 17th Jun 2015, 6:11 AM edit delete reply
We are positive that Max is not a demon right? I applaud his heightened senses for catching that near silent attack and blocking. But to be going toe to toe with a 'droid after all the combat he just did? Damn good fighter all I gotta note. I do hope they pull a "Ok now that the lackey's are dead" rabbit outta their asses soon.
Lukkai 17th Jun 2015, 5:01 PM edit delete reply

Just because she didn't shout out while attacking does not necessarily mean it was a near silent one. Add to that an exceptionally skilled and seasoned warrior who was constantly waiting for her attack...
T1-G3R2501 18th Jun 2015, 1:47 PM edit delete reply
Well I didn't see any onomatopoeia so I'd figure it was damn near silent. Plus I'd hope that the Droid tech was a bit past the 'Whrrr bzzt' that you would hear with early robots
Lukkai 18th Jun 2015, 3:23 PM edit delete reply

There's still the noise you make on getting up to speed and jump off. It's not much, it might be enough for someone trained for it.

And it helps of course that Hrist is not outside of his field of vision. Even peripheral vision like that can be enough for a seasoned and talented fighter.
KarToon12 17th Jun 2015, 6:51 AM edit delete reply

Never pick a fight with a guy who can calmly monologue while he kicks your ass. XD
Stormwind13 17th Jun 2015, 7:36 AM edit delete reply

Good idea, KarToon. The problem is recognizing that BEFORE starting the fight. Hrist didn't do that, so has to pay the piper.
Centcomm 17th Jun 2015, 12:28 PM edit delete reply

Yeah.. generally that is a BAD idea..
Sheela 18th Jun 2015, 12:41 PM edit delete reply

Technically, Decimus decided that Hrist should pick a fight with Maxus.
Hrist herself, had nothing to do with the decision.
cattservant 17th Jun 2015, 9:38 AM edit delete reply

'Brief'!
Sheela 18th Jun 2015, 12:40 PM edit delete reply

Underpants ! :D
Professor Fate 17th Jun 2015, 11:04 AM edit delete reply
If the Cassians are gonna say "Ha Ha Fooled ya We're on your side" they better speak up now before Maxus sees his lady's predicament. I'm betting he can throw that sword like a javelin at someone's head and be right behind it to make sure it went through completely.
Dragonrider 17th Jun 2015, 12:14 PM edit delete reply

I have a feeling that Vampires, Cassions and Demons all have one thing in common; the only way to stop them is to remove the head. I'm fairly certain Malati can remove Irene's head long before Max removes hers.
T1-G3R2501 17th Jun 2015, 12:27 PM edit delete reply
No because Max has been god modding this entire fight and will like suddenly be able to short range teleport lol
xpacetrue 17th Jun 2015, 1:31 PM edit delete reply

"...the only way to stop them is to remove the head."

Do you remember that scene back at the start of this comic where Gavin shot down that S&R vehicle looking for Lynn? Remember how Dr. Demark had to act fast to flash Teedee and Ada before they completely shut down?

An android in this comic has an organic, human-like brain, organic organs, organic muscles, and is much more like a synthetic human than the tough-as-nails killer robots seen in the Terminator movies. Decapitation is certainly not the only way to kill one.
Centcomm 17th Jun 2015, 12:28 PM edit delete reply

Well the problem there is that Malati CAN kill her before max could kill Malati .. there is no question about that.or she could use Irene as a shield .. still killing Irene..
CptKerion 17th Jun 2015, 5:53 PM edit delete reply
I'm willing to bet that Irene has an extra trick, or that Max will have reinforcements with firearms soon.
Lukkai 17th Jun 2015, 5:04 PM edit delete reply

I'd like to take this moment to mention that Maxus might be strong and his sword durable enough to pull this off.

But you generally do not parry like that unless there's really no other choice. For various reasons, actually.
CptKerion 17th Jun 2015, 5:49 PM edit delete reply
look at his arm and wrist, he's just idly parrying. He's not giving his all against her yet.
I honestly hope he just disables her because she had no choice in the matter and I doubt she would have chosen to go against him.


I would like to say this, the longer we know Max, the more badass he gets and the more I like him. This is part of why he is my favorite character.

Also, to say what Dex did wrong again, because we all know I love to do that.
Against a man like this you send people in gear reminiscent of an alternity Body Tank or Starcraft's CMC660 army with autoflechette shotties, not some (by the standards of the weapons we have thus far seen in action) midweight combat armor with weapons that have a highly effective countermeasure.

Honestly, form what I've seen, I wouldn't use weapons that fire plasma packets, sure they're great against an unprepared foe, but they're rendered completely useless against a prepared one.
I'd use flechette rifles, autocannons, railguns (including Gauss autorifles if possible), and lasers.
I'd also armor my soldiers way more heavily. Powered assault suits.
I can imagine the projectile weapons would be cheaper than the plasma guns and would allow you to instead spend that money on cruder but more effective powered assault suits.
Sure they're bulky, but your men survive.
Centcomm 17th Jun 2015, 8:33 PM edit delete reply

Lets just say a few of the weapons and Armor requisitions MAY have gone though Noctis's or Malati or .. gasp Kali's hand..
CptKerion 17th Jun 2015, 10:59 PM edit delete reply
So what you're saying is that this mission was sabotaged.
anonymous coward 17th Jun 2015, 11:21 PM edit delete reply
Did Maxus get a chance to fight back before dying, yes or no?
Tokyo Rose 18th Jun 2015, 12:25 AM edit delete reply

Truthfully, no, the mission hasn't been sabotaged. The Royal Praetorians have their own arrangements for weapons and armor; the Cassians had nothing to do with it.
CptKerion 18th Jun 2015, 2:19 AM edit delete reply
So I must ask, they must certainly be familiar with his gladiatorial career and strategic genius, so why didn't they come packing a variety of equipment that would actually give them good odds of success (you know, like an autoshotty)?
Deoxy 18th Jun 2015, 10:35 AM edit delete reply
Actually, you're really not thinking about this properly. ANY fight with Maxus is the wrong way to go.

Add another layer to the walls surrounding his quarters - thick armor on the outside, a noticeable layer of an explosive compound on the other. Once Maxus is in his own quarters, the prince can push the button himself.

Boom.

Any actual fight has far more wiggle room than this method, and this method would also give the prince an excuse to do more ridiculous stuff ("Attack on the palace! MARTIAL LAW!" or whatever).
CptKerion 18th Jun 2015, 11:57 AM edit delete reply
That requires months or years of preparation and is highly likely to be noticed. The Possibility of collateral or being disarmed over time also throws a monkey wrench in the plans.

The best way to go would be to use a sniper and make it look like it was [insert faction within the city Dex doesn't like] was responsible.
Sheela 18th Jun 2015, 12:45 PM edit delete reply

The only right way to fight someone like that, is with a sniper rifle.
Don't get up close and personal, that is his forte.
anonymous coward 18th Jun 2015, 5:24 PM edit delete reply
If your sniper misses or fails to get stopping power you've just made your target more paranoid. Plus, it's really danged hard to snipe someone behind windowless, reinforced walls. No, sniping was not particularly much of a superior plan if it was superior at all.
Sheela 18th Jun 2015, 6:14 PM edit delete reply

A Cassian sniper would be very unlikely to miss.

And with rail-gun sniper rifles, you have all the stopping power you want.
Heck, not even walls will stop you, if done correctly.
anonymous coward 18th Jun 2015, 8:52 PM edit delete reply
Walls don't have to stop the payload to ruin your shot: They only have to ablate, damage, deform, deflect, slow or put the wrong spin/tumble on a projectile to ruin the shot. They can ruin lasers by interfering with their path and focus in many ways as well to rob them of their energy or accuracy. Other energy weapons tend to mostly be more strongly blocked by walls (and air) than lasers. Remember: The whole point of a ranged weapon is to deliver energy (kinetic, electric, thermal, microwave, accoustic, etc.) to change matter, and possibly a payload with chemical or other means of affecting the target. If there's matter in the way that's a problem.
Rashala 17th Jun 2015, 9:17 PM edit delete reply

Five bucks th next line from malti involves her underwear wetness and seeing Why she loves him to her hostage
anonymous coward 17th Jun 2015, 11:20 PM edit delete reply
Let me see if I can summon up some viable Malati sentences for this one:
"I wish I could keep watching, or even participate, because seeing you fight up close like this makes me tingle in my naughty places. But we have to talk, and I'm pointing this here blade at your wife's throat to make you pause long enough to listen. Now please stop it Hrist, the blueberries are down and we're on the clock. Start phase two already."
Sheela 18th Jun 2015, 12:47 PM edit delete reply

Naw, she'd just start breathing hard and begin fondling Irene!

Maxus would be confused and undertain wether or not it would be a moodkiller or not.
anonymous coward 18th Jun 2015, 5:25 PM edit delete reply
How do you know these things, or are you guessing?
Sheela 18th Jun 2015, 6:15 PM edit delete reply

Totally guessing.
Also, coming up with the most unlikely and outragous answer, is fun. :)
Mark_L_A 18th Jun 2015, 4:32 AM edit delete reply

Actually I could see this happening.
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