Comic 1206 - Silver's First Strike

12th Jul 2015, 9:00 PM
Silver's First Strike
Average Rating: 5 (22 votes)

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Centcomm 12th Jul 2015, 10:35 PM edit delete
Okay more Reboots Posted .. we are up to page 49 with the remastered pages .. go back take a look! enjoy! and tell us what you think of the new stuff!
Centcomm 13th Jul 2015, 4:04 PM edit delete
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Mark_L_A 12th Jul 2015, 9:03 PM edit delete reply

Centcomm 13th Jul 2015, 4:05 PM edit delete reply

Thats a good word for it !
Mark_L_A 13th Jul 2015, 9:48 PM edit delete reply

One thing I"ve noticed. Almost all of the NR troops have a sword and a carbine on their back in addition to their heavier weapon. Just what are they and how often do they use them?
Centcomm 14th Jul 2015, 6:14 AM edit delete reply

the carbine is a "spare" rifle using kinetic rounds rather than the pulse rifles they are mostly outfitted with. the Power Blade is a common melee weapon all NR troops are issued and drilled with in the same fashion as in the old roman legion.
And a power blade can be a nasty close combat weapon. its also used for things like doors and other utilitarian purposes.

They dont actually have to use them much in day to day operations.
Mark_L_A 14th Jul 2015, 11:10 AM edit delete reply

Ahh so it's a New York Reload then. :)
Sheela 14th Jul 2015, 11:41 AM edit delete reply

I'm also guessing that the sword don't run out of "ammo" ?
Centcomm 14th Jul 2015, 4:34 PM edit delete reply

it uses a E-cell like most things but even if that goes its still made of razor sharp Duralloy. SO not really no.
Sheela 14th Jul 2015, 5:06 PM edit delete reply

How long does the E-cell last on one of those swords ?
Centcomm 14th Jul 2015, 6:55 PM edit delete reply

About 2 hours of constant use.. There is a tech page entry on it. But the entry refers to Maxus's blade and its a one off ..
Sheela 15th Jul 2015, 5:00 AM edit delete reply

2 hours is still a pretty good amount of time. :)
Pirtnac 12th Jul 2015, 9:03 PM edit delete reply
Biggs! Wedge! Nooooo!
Tokyo Rose 12th Jul 2015, 9:25 PM edit delete reply

Dammit, I had a mouthful of soda!
Dan 12th Jul 2015, 11:08 PM edit delete reply
Stay on target!
Centcomm 13th Jul 2015, 4:05 PM edit delete reply

Lukkai 13th Jul 2015, 4:33 PM edit delete reply

And this is what happens if you are using your targeting computer.
Centcomm 14th Jul 2015, 6:29 AM edit delete reply

what if the targeting computer could fire all on its own?
Sheela 14th Jul 2015, 11:41 AM edit delete reply

They are now in freefall, huh ?
Kitty 12th Jul 2015, 9:04 PM edit delete reply
Take a job on the palace guard, they said... It'll be easy, and you get a nice pension, they said...
Centcomm 13th Jul 2015, 4:05 PM edit delete reply

its a good paying job! nice bennys! ..
Sheela 14th Jul 2015, 11:42 AM edit delete reply

Damn that benny guy, he keeps poking his nose into everything!
lalverson 12th Jul 2015, 9:06 PM edit delete reply
Never pays to wear red in a gunfight..
anonymous coward 13th Jul 2015, 12:02 AM edit delete reply
Calling people with a bit of knowledge of history to recall the battle of the plains of Abraham in 1759... what colour did the winning side wear?
T1-G3R2501 13th Jul 2015, 5:27 AM edit delete reply
Also. Devil may cry, Hellsing, Picard wore red and got shit done....
dlkmusic 13th Jul 2015, 10:30 AM edit delete reply
Also the battle of Watterloo, Ananymous
Centcomm 13th Jul 2015, 4:06 PM edit delete reply

hehe the brits wore red too ..
jamie59 12th Jul 2015, 9:07 PM edit delete reply

Body armor. What body armor!
Greenwood Goat 13th Jul 2015, 4:40 AM edit delete reply
That sounds like the slogan of somebody's favourite anti-personnel weapon manufacturer. >:=)>
Antale 13th Jul 2015, 10:40 AM edit delete reply
How could they possibly think they're protected? They're not showing any skin!
anonymous coward 13th Jul 2015, 11:20 AM edit delete reply
If I was certain it would be appreciated I'd be linking Oglaf's "New Model Army," strip in response to this.
Centcomm 13th Jul 2015, 4:07 PM edit delete reply

It would be fine.. I like that strip!
Lukkai 13th Jul 2015, 4:34 PM edit delete reply

Dooooooo iiiiiit!
anonymous coward 14th Jul 2015, 6:26 AM edit delete reply
By popular request. Hit the, "next page" button on the right to see all three pages of to this particular comic in Oglaf:
Sheela 14th Jul 2015, 11:45 AM edit delete reply

Ah yes, "Skin to win" was a great slogan. :)
Dragonrider 12th Jul 2015, 9:07 PM edit delete reply

Looks like 2 wasted rounds with 8 hitting targets. Part one survived first contact with the enemy, Still waiting on Mama Bear and Angel Corp, sure Angel Corp can give Nox a very warm welcome, as I recall her Plasma Caster has self repaired. With the plasma caster think she is more than a match for Kali.
Fairportfan 12th Jul 2015, 9:43 PM edit delete reply

There is no such thing as "wasted rounds".

Just "Nope - he went that way instead of that way..."
Speedy Marsh 26th Mar 2017, 9:23 AM edit delete reply
Wasted rounds are the rounds left in your gun, after you get wasted.
The Old Scribe 12th Jul 2015, 11:29 PM edit delete reply

"Two out of three ain't bad." Meat Loaf.
anonymous coward 13th Jul 2015, 12:38 AM edit delete reply
We don't know what sort of ammo capacity and expenses they're operating under. Consider that if collateral fire isn't a particular problem it can be more effective AND cost effective to put ten shots of .22LR on a target and miss with half than to hit with one of .454 Casull. Without knowing about the effective range, stopping power and dispersion you really can't comment on whether a bunch of shots missing is a waste or a predictable cost of doing business necessary to guarantee an acceptable probability of sufficient stopping power.
HiFranc 13th Jul 2015, 2:53 AM edit delete reply

Comparing to the last page, Stacking the Deck and the Tech pages, they are either being hit by the Combat Orbs (weapons comparable to the Bulldog 7) or the E-War Drones (weapons comparable to the NR-ARN-7). By judging the size of each of the weapons and comparing them to the drones, an estimate of capacity can be made.
anonymous coward 13th Jul 2015, 11:34 AM edit delete reply
Only if you understand the weapons systems involved. Frankly, I couldn't begin to tell you what this stuff is besides characterizing it as pew-pew weapons running on distilled Harrypotterium. Real world weapons don't leave giant tracers leading back to where they were fired like that unless they're fixed-emplacement weapons with manual targeting, because... y'know... points the enemy at where the shots came from to return fire, and also wastes stopping power on a light show.
Tokyo Rose 14th Jul 2015, 8:43 AM edit delete reply

Keep in mind that this is a still-frame visual medium. The special effects that the reader sees may not necessarily be what people can actually see in-story. This wouldn't be nearly as visually interesting if all we showed was the orbs hovering in the air and then dudes dropping dead.
anonymous coward 14th Jul 2015, 12:14 PM edit delete reply
If we're showing things that aren't really there to increase visual interest there's less overused ideas to try: The rainbows and candy variant of pew-pew laser effects to name just one. If you want a better idea than that, well, you only need to ask the internet for ideas and well give you many, many bad ones with a few good ones mixed in.
Centcomm 13th Jul 2015, 12:03 PM edit delete reply

Actually im working on something for that ! Stay tuned ! (( ill answer comments over time today ! ))
Centcomm 13th Jul 2015, 4:15 PM edit delete reply

Actually guys Go check out the new Drone entry on Top web comics ! :D vote for Datachasers :D
Sheela 14th Jul 2015, 11:51 AM edit delete reply

It's drone-tastic. :)

And it seems that they are being shot by relatively small arms fire here, so they probably have good ammo capacity when it comes to that.

On a sidenote, just how smart are those drones ?
I know it says stuff like "Class 25" intelligence 'n' stuff on the page, but I have no point of reference on wether it's good, bad, or just 'meh'.
Centcomm 14th Jul 2015, 4:18 PM edit delete reply

Class 25 SID - is smarter than Human it has reasoning capability and can make innovative leaps in tactical planning. They do not however have any emotions.
Sheela 14th Jul 2015, 5:08 PM edit delete reply

Are they capable of creative thought?
Centcomm 14th Jul 2015, 6:57 PM edit delete reply

only in regards to tactical and combat situations .. its not like they are designed to be art majors :D
Sheela 15th Jul 2015, 5:02 AM edit delete reply

Well, Sun Tsu did call his book for "the art of war".

I guess it is an artform, in an odd sense.
Haegan2005 12th Jul 2015, 9:13 PM edit delete reply

One of the nice things about Dec's pension plan is that he does not seem to have to pay out very often...
Centcomm 13th Jul 2015, 4:16 PM edit delete reply

that is so true..
Sheela 14th Jul 2015, 11:51 AM edit delete reply

That might have been planned.
cattservant 12th Jul 2015, 9:33 PM edit delete reply

Red shorts!
Haegan2005 12th Jul 2015, 10:43 PM edit delete reply

Well, if they had survived i bet the shorts would be brown...
Centcomm 13th Jul 2015, 4:16 PM edit delete reply

I think they turned brown after all...
Lukkai 13th Jul 2015, 4:39 PM edit delete reply

I think at least one of the two completely lost them to the incoming fire anyway.
plymayer 12th Jul 2015, 10:12 PM edit delete reply

Two poor guards just standing the watch.

I always stood a good watch. No matter how well protected or boring it might have been. You never know....
Fjolsvith 13th Jul 2015, 6:57 AM edit delete reply

In the AF, I stood watch in a foxhole overnight once on the base perimeter and spotted a marine recon platoon through night goggles crawling around the rocks in Iceland. Got a nice attaboy for it.
plymayer 13th Jul 2015, 9:44 PM edit delete reply

Good goin'!
Centcomm 13th Jul 2015, 4:16 PM edit delete reply

Would you believe it gets worse?
plymayer 13th Jul 2015, 9:44 PM edit delete reply

Yes. It has been my limited experience to know that it ALWAYs gets worse.
Sheela 14th Jul 2015, 11:53 AM edit delete reply

Ofcourse it gets worse!

Not only is the glass half empty, it's also poisoned, cracked and it's gonna mess up the biologicals .. aaand then the insurance won't cover it, because 'reasons' and then TeeDee will have to kill CentComm ... again!
The Old Scribe 12th Jul 2015, 11:26 PM edit delete reply

Red armor-Red shirts-You're dead.

Moe:(groans) "Hey Larry, are we in Star Trek?"

Larry: "Arrrghhh!"

Moe: "Coulda fooled me." (dies)
velvetsanity 12th Jul 2015, 11:39 PM edit delete reply

If they were the Red Samurai (Renraku elite security forces - Shadowrun reference) the result would likely have been Dr. Silver getting shot down by one of them while the other sounded the alarm...
Centcomm 13th Jul 2015, 4:17 PM edit delete reply

Actually considering what I know about Shadow run the last thing they would have seen was the flash of the laser emitters as they crumbled to the ground..
Sheela 14th Jul 2015, 11:54 AM edit delete reply

Moe ?

... would that be Moe Lester (42) that likes anime and japanese schoolgirls?
Draginbeard 12th Jul 2015, 11:31 PM edit delete reply

Death from above!
Stormwind13 13th Jul 2015, 4:53 AM edit delete reply

I don't see Spark anywhere, Draginbeard. :-)

(Sorry, couldn't put the link in before from my phone)
Lukkai 13th Jul 2015, 4:44 PM edit delete reply

With all due respect to our speaking feline. That maneuvre is only truly done with either a Kodiak or a Highlander.

The former by virtue of a certain game intro. The latter because it's the only true way to pull of a Highlander Burial.
Centcomm 13th Jul 2015, 4:18 PM edit delete reply

hehe Yep Dragin and funny Storm.. very funny :D I liked it!
Sheela 14th Jul 2015, 11:57 AM edit delete reply

Death from above ?

Well, I think that this is how you do it !
HiFranc 13th Jul 2015, 3:00 AM edit delete reply

I don't know who trained those palace guards but, when in a potential combat situation, you act first then explain later. Trying to do things the other way round means that you may not live long enough to learn that lesson.

{edit} Come to think of it those guys should consider themselves lucky that they were merely killed. If Max found out how unprofessionally they behaved it could have been worse for them.
Centcomm 13th Jul 2015, 4:20 PM edit delete reply

These are NOT palace guards .. they are run of the mill basic troopers.. and power in Roma Does fail .. esp with all the activity of late of certain rebellious elements. There is a reason the Cassians are so busy.
Lukkai 13th Jul 2015, 4:49 PM edit delete reply

And truth be told, they reacted quite quickly and realised very fast that there was something up. Only the best would have been faster and even they would have very likely been too slow to actually do anything.
Centcomm 14th Jul 2015, 6:32 AM edit delete reply

Exactly Lukkai .. By the time there brains realized they were in trouble they were already dead. they cant move faster than C velocity rounds ( yes thats light speed .. )

Thanks for noticing :D
HiFranc 13th Jul 2015, 3:28 AM edit delete reply

It says a lot about the current state of New Rome that a guards react to the power going out with mild disappointment rather than instant alertness (and a search for threats). Assuming that power generation, and distribution, is a lot more reliable in the future it says a lot about the quality of the current leadership.
Stormwind13 13th Jul 2015, 5:36 AM edit delete reply

Human nature, HiFranc. If something happens repeatedly, you get to expect it. Very few are disciplined enough to avoid that trap.

And this fact was probably counted on by Marcus when planning this op. I'm sure it wasn't needed, but it gave team New Troy more leeway to make mistakes and survive them.
HiFranc 13th Jul 2015, 5:43 AM edit delete reply

That's my point exactly -- in a well run state things like that should not happen often enough for people to treat them as normal! It says a lot about Decimus's priorities that that has become routine.
Stormwind13 13th Jul 2015, 7:31 AM edit delete reply

The Palace has power, HiFranc. As do the homes of the rich and powerful. So who cares about the little guy? If they don't like it, they can rise up in revolt!

Oh wait, I think that may be what they ARE doing. :- D
Kitty 13th Jul 2015, 4:18 PM edit delete reply
"Your Highness, the peasants are revolting!"

"Well, you're not much to look at either!"
MikeLinPA 13th Jul 2015, 1:52 PM edit delete reply

Are we any different? We could be attacked by terrorists at any time. (It used to be the Russians.) When my power goes out, I don't think enemy attack, I think another damn squirrel got too close to the transformer, (again. It used to happen twice a summer. It finally got squirrel proofed a few years ago. about time!)
HiFranc 15th Jul 2015, 1:22 AM edit delete reply


But we're not soldiers and we're not protecting sensitive areas. As a civilian without arms my options are very limited. Those guys, however.
Centcomm 13th Jul 2015, 4:21 PM edit delete reply

actually Roma is NOT well run.. thats the problem.
Marcus Ramesy 13th Jul 2015, 6:25 AM edit delete reply

it was definitely something that I put in to the equation.. not something I rely on but human nature is human nature. its like the car alarm that keeps going off at random... eventually you stop checking on it because its its always been a false alarm.. or you turn it off because you think its malfunctioning.....
DLKmusic 13th Jul 2015, 10:27 AM edit delete reply
Even if I were willing to excuse the reaction to the power going out, their reaction from when they heard the plane is inexcusable.

Wanna see what happens if you try to fly a Cessna over the White House?
Stormwind13 13th Jul 2015, 12:05 PM edit delete reply

True DLK, except in this case I think the first sign for the guards was when the drones prepared to fire. Before that, their stealth field covered them.

And someone recently penetrated the air space in Washington. The gyrocopter back in April. The Secret Service swarmed it only AFTER the fact.

The Nova Roma guards aren't going to get the chance here. Doctor Silver's drones came to chew gum & kick ass. And she didn't include a mouth to chew the gum. Which made the drones even MORE ready to kick ass!
DLKmusic 13th Jul 2015, 12:37 PM edit delete reply
Kinda sux not to be able to chew gum... poor drones...
Marcus Ramesy 13th Jul 2015, 4:07 PM edit delete reply

once again.. it depends on how often stuff like that happens... if you get joyriders constantly invading your airspace and it being nothing but stupidity... they start to get lax... or.. the simple audacity of something coming your way... its a cake job.. and a boring one at that... when shit starts flying.. not every one is able to be as level headed.. especially in a all conscripted military
Lukkai 13th Jul 2015, 5:05 PM edit delete reply

@DLK: Actually I disagree on that one. Look at their reactions to spotting the incoming. Obviously, things like that happen rather often, with aircraft straying off path. And yet it took them only a very few seconds to realise this wasn't one of those. And that it was on an actual run aimed for the palace.
That was actually quite quick for human standards. Not elite guard quick, but certainly better than average.
Centcomm 14th Jul 2015, 6:33 AM edit delete reply

this isnt the Palace its actually about half a mile from the palace but yeah Lukkai .. again you are on target :D
Centcomm 13th Jul 2015, 4:21 PM edit delete reply

and also Nova Roma has a older power grid .. and due to Aeneas being hacked away from the systems it tends to fail without support. so its a regular ( sadly ) occurrence ..
Mark_L_A 14th Jul 2015, 3:46 AM edit delete reply

I remember way back in 85 when I was going through Basic at Ft. Sill, we had power to over half the base go out because a semi lost it on an icy road and took out the substation. They pulled almost EVERYONE on base out of bed, issued us weapons with LIVE ammo, (with the exception of troops who hadn't gone through weapons training yet) and set us out at almost every intersection on base with a radio and a call sign with instructions to stop any non military or non escorted vehicle. I spent several hours standing in the freezing sleet trying to keep my weapon and my radio dry and never saw anything but the MP's and my Drill Sergeants.

And from time of the accident to the time I was standing in the sleet with my rifle and my radio was about 15 minutes. It took longer to get the radios than it did for anything else, we were out of bed, dressed and being issued our rifles and live ammo in less than 8 minutes.
Stormwind13 14th Jul 2015, 6:30 AM edit delete reply

Yes Mark. Two points though, one Ft. Sill is a training base. The instructors took that incident as an impromptu training exercise. And rightly so. See what type of soldiers they had to work with.

Second point, against the assault Major Ramesy & Doctor Silver are running, 8 minutes would be too long. They would be carving the troops up as they tried to get int position. They have set up themselves to minimize their casualties, by maximizing their ability to inflict casualties on Nova Roma's troops.
Mark_L_A 14th Jul 2015, 11:20 AM edit delete reply

Oh I know that Storm, I was referring to HiFranc's comment about the state of Training.

I know that if we ever lost power, the first thing we were instructed to do was to radio higher then take up defensive posture until otherwise notified.

The two up there, just figured "Meh, it'll come back on in a bit" And they paid for that nonchalance.
Stormwind13 14th Jul 2015, 6:52 PM edit delete reply

Yeah, after how many times when NOTHING happened though Mark. I get the feeling it is dozens of times. It isn't the way it SHOULD be done, but it is all too often the way it is done by human beings.
Mark_L_A 15th Jul 2015, 12:05 AM edit delete reply

HiFranc 15th Jul 2015, 1:36 AM edit delete reply

To clarify my points:

Their reaction to the power going out is the city's fault because the power is so unreliable that it has become routine.

Their reactions to the aircraft shows poor training. Compare their reactions to that of Mira's arrival at Helios Tower.
Centcomm 15th Jul 2015, 1:42 AM edit delete reply

At helios Tower that was a warbot.. who literally has no emotions and can not get tired. or bored. If you recall officer Alley was getting rather fed up with Vinnies false alarms .. Humans make mistakes. considering how fast they realized they were in trouble im calling it good on there parts.. ( they are still dead though )
Mark_L_A 15th Jul 2015, 5:10 AM edit delete reply

It only takes one real alarm buried in hundreds of false alarms to screw up everything :)
Greenwood Goat 13th Jul 2015, 4:37 AM edit delete reply
Well... sucks to be you two! Eggs, meet your omelette! >:=S>
Centcomm 13th Jul 2015, 4:22 PM edit delete reply

YEP! Well said!
KarToon12 13th Jul 2015, 6:23 AM edit delete reply

New/old stuff looks great! :D And looks like those guys are about to take a permanent coffee break.
Centcomm 13th Jul 2015, 4:22 PM edit delete reply

Yep Dirt nap for two!
T1-G3R2501 13th Jul 2015, 9:46 AM edit delete reply
I was kind of expecting a small throwback to the RvB series. Like :

Goon 1: "Hey..."
Goon 2: "Yeah?"
Goon 1: "You ever wonder why we're here?"
Goon 2: "Probably because of the shortage of men we had after those that got eaten earlier"
Goon 1: "Oh yeah.. Wait that actually happened?"
anonymous coward 13th Jul 2015, 11:25 AM edit delete reply
Might not work: RvB is just a wee, tiny, little bit more absurdist than Data Chasers is. (Or is that Datachasers?)
Centcomm 13th Jul 2015, 4:23 PM edit delete reply

hehe and it can be eather Data Chasers or Datachasers .. both are valid ...:D
Dongaria 13th Jul 2015, 11:30 AM edit delete reply

Now that's some fantastic action!
Centcomm 13th Jul 2015, 4:23 PM edit delete reply

Thank you!
Hornet 13th Jul 2015, 1:09 PM edit delete reply
I'd have to go with energy weapons. However in truth you wouldn't see energy weapon "trails" any more than you see the trail of a laser-pointer. Instead these guys would be bleeding from "magically" appearing holes in their armor.
MirrorField 13th Jul 2015, 1:15 PM edit delete reply
Yes, you would. With energy levels you're going to need for weapon use you're going to ionize the atmosphere in anywhere human-breathable. What it specifically would look like is another matter, though...
Hornet 13th Jul 2015, 1:48 PM edit delete reply
Centcomm 13th Jul 2015, 4:25 PM edit delete reply

Points at Top Web comics voting Button
But energy weapons have a effect called "thermal bloom " that happens when the beam interacts with Air . this causes the air to literally flashes as its being incinerated .. in space there would be no beam ., there might be sparkles .. but no constant beam look
Hornet 14th Jul 2015, 7:17 AM edit delete reply
Thank you for the information.
Rashala 13th Jul 2015, 2:24 PM edit delete reply

apparently these guards do not subscribe to the If its suspicious Shoot it woundingly First THEN investigagte
Centcomm 13th Jul 2015, 4:26 PM edit delete reply

if they shoot a civilian craft down there is a TON of paperwork and a ass chewing .. So .. they were erring on the side of caution.. and lazyness.
Hornet 14th Jul 2015, 7:25 AM edit delete reply
So they're the guys that let the Cessna 150 fly into the White House. Even though there's like a 10 mile no fly zone around said house.
Melody_Whyte 13th Jul 2015, 4:22 PM edit delete reply

Everytime you say "TWC" I think you're talking about The Walking Dead until I re-read it.
Centcomm 13th Jul 2015, 4:26 PM edit delete reply

LOL! yep TWC .. Top Web Comics :D
T1-G3R2501 14th Jul 2015, 1:46 PM edit delete reply
Since nobody else said it there's a 'Give her the D' joke in there somewhere.
Let us not forsake the crude jokes at that is what keeps few of us from snapping and waking up the next morning covered in jello and never really knowing why
anonymous coward 14th Jul 2015, 6:34 PM edit delete reply
There's an obvious solution to that problem. You could Google Glass with automatic upload to Youtube:to show the whole world exactly why it is you're waking up in Jello with impaired memory. Doesn't that sound like an awesome idea?
DLKmusic 13th Jul 2015, 5:34 PM edit delete reply

Now that I'm home and can actually vote, I need to post a comment. and tonight's comment is...

"Rocking chair"
Centcomm 14th Jul 2015, 6:33 AM edit delete reply

heheh :D
Grault 26th Oct 2015, 7:07 PM edit delete reply

This strip reminds me of Red Vs Blue, with the style of conversation and the very abrupt result.
Centcomm 26th Oct 2015, 7:09 PM edit delete reply

I actually haven't read that :D Glad you are enjoying it!
Steven-Vincent 13th Dec 2015, 6:48 PM edit delete reply

This is an excellent page. The last panel is awesome.
Draginbeard 19th Sep 2021, 1:42 PM edit delete reply

Ok, had to go back and read a bit to get my bearings. Nice touch having the troopers wear red.

Work here is well done as usual.
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