Comic 1321 - Political Debate

10th Mar 2016, 9:00 PM
Political Debate
Average Rating: 5 (19 votes)
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Dragonrider 10th Mar 2016, 9:03 PM edit delete reply

Only needed ,"Any other stupid questions asshole" as the last line.
Stormwind13 11th Mar 2016, 3:38 AM edit delete reply

Actually, I think Dust got the message just fine without adding it Dragonrider. :-D
Dragonrider 11th Mar 2016, 1:37 PM edit delete reply

I know but the implied drama by adding it is so much fun.
Centcomm 13th Mar 2016, 8:00 AM edit delete reply

it was implied I think :D
DLKmusic 10th Mar 2016, 9:39 PM edit delete reply

I have a gun, a sword, a Lord General, a Cassian, and zero fucking patience...

that's just... OMG, that's awesome!
Tango Xray Actual 11th Mar 2016, 1:07 AM edit delete reply
Wonderfully precise argument points!

They could'a even been listed with bullet points... lol

And I LOVE Pvt. Denzic's reaction/comment. heheheee Please Ladies, don't make 'em famous last words.
Just_IDD 11th Mar 2016, 4:26 AM edit delete reply
I just don't understand how the private is surprised that the Lord General knows who he is. That suit probably gives off besides FoF, a rfid tag linked to the gun. I would suspect the Lord General of Dereliction of Duty if all the records of ALL the people stationed at the palace are probably loaded into the suit computer.
Tokyo Rose 13th Mar 2016, 3:38 PM edit delete reply

@Just_IDD

There's knowing that the boss has everyone's name on the company roster in his smartphone, and then there's having him casually call you by name while you're standing in a burning corridor in the company of armed rebels.
Zimriel 23rd Aug 2017, 8:38 PM edit delete reply
When you got a Cassian, you don't need bullets. Especially Noctis.
Stormwind13 11th Mar 2016, 3:39 AM edit delete reply

Agreed DLK. That line got me laughing so hard. Well done, Rose. :-)
chk 11th Mar 2016, 8:53 AM edit delete reply

That does sound like a good reason to cooperate.
Centcomm 13th Mar 2016, 8:00 AM edit delete reply

I laughed as well when I saw that line :D
Haegan2005 10th Mar 2016, 10:02 PM edit delete reply

Well, I am not sure what scared the guy more. It was probably the word "Cassian"!.
Centcomm 13th Mar 2016, 7:59 AM edit delete reply

The combined weight of the afore mentioned items is enough to send most headed for the hills.
mjkj 10th Mar 2016, 10:24 PM edit delete reply

Hmm, Dust is very un-cooperative...

...does he not want to save his fellows?

Oh, I really love that "he knows my name" line - so great :)

HiFranc 10th Mar 2016, 10:30 PM edit delete reply

I think that he doesn't trust Max.
Stormwind13 11th Mar 2016, 3:48 AM edit delete reply

Yeah mjkj. Another great line. :-) The poor Private is now in the Lord General's spotlight. He can't hide in the faceless mass of the rest of the Army right now. Anything he does is going to be on his record, good or bad. Including asking Kat out, once Maxus gets Noctis' information on the fight (and aftermath). :-D
Centcomm 13th Mar 2016, 7:58 AM edit delete reply

Well to be fair from his perspective maxus's reluctance to act CAN be misinterpreted by people that dont know the whole story.
Guest 13th Mar 2016, 1:10 PM edit delete reply
Also, he may just be starting to wonder if he has been used to trigger a palace revolution that will bring no real change to him and his people.
Tokyo Rose 13th Mar 2016, 3:45 PM edit delete reply

I freely admit to having been slightly influenced by recent stupidities on a few American college campuses when I wrote Dust's lines. Idealistic youths who finally get a chance to voice their political complaints directly to a figure of authority tend to sound a lot like whining infants.
Guest 13th Mar 2016, 6:39 PM edit delete reply
True, although it is not just enthusiastic youth, when looking at the US politics, it seems like the country is full of whining infants of all ages.
The Old Scribe 10th Mar 2016, 10:51 PM edit delete reply

" ... a running dog of the regime ... " Heh. Mao Zedong would be proud of Dusty. He just left out 'capitalist' after 'a'. The 'because I have' speech is another way of saying "Your ass is grass and I'm the fuckin' lawn mower, if you don't start talking, junior."
Centcomm 13th Mar 2016, 7:57 AM edit delete reply

heheh also true :D
anonymous coward 10th Mar 2016, 11:09 PM edit delete reply
For the longest time I always wondered what that "running dog" thing was all about. Apparently it's a bit of Chinese culture. After trying to look it up I found (clipped for relevance):
"a. a person or institution subservient to counterrevolutionary interests."
"b. a manipulable, servile follower; lackey: to be reviled as a running dog of the colonialists."

This makes me very curious: Are people still reading and following Mao's little red book all these centuries later?
Tango Xray Actual 11th Mar 2016, 12:59 AM edit delete reply
The 'Quotations from Chairman Mao Tse-tung' will probably be read as long as there are 'oppressed' peoples anywhere as it is one of the primer texts in among other things, fourth generation warfare and revolutionary struggle.

With the rise of Deng Xiaoping ('78) onward, veneration of the "Treasured Red Book' has fallen off considerably in China and glorification of Mao's thoughts is considered a 'leftward deviationism' from approved Party ideology.

As for the concept 'running dog,' that far predates Mao's writing in Asiatic cultures. It was just with the Communist victory in China that the West was forced to take note of such phrases and concepts as they entered popular Western Culture. When I was a grammer school kid, it was something the 'bad guys' yelled on the playground as we hadn't yet learned what ^%*&*^%#@#$&%$^*() was. ;)
anonymous coward 11th Mar 2016, 4:57 AM edit delete reply
The Red Book is sure to be a very useful guide to strategy as long as powermongers prefer conquest and repression to outright genocide as a tactic for eliminating asymmetric forces. Most powermongers should, however, prefer such a guide not exist at all. They ought to spend a fair bit of effort repressing such things, or hiding the legitimate sources in disinformation..
xpacetrue 10th Mar 2016, 11:56 PM edit delete reply

Looking at panel 2, I don't see how everyone immediately recognizes Lord General Maxus. I mean, we can -barely- see his face. It could be any extremely large, bald man in that suit... right?

Okay, so perhaps it's extremely likely. But nobody is questioning his ID. Is that "Ironman" suit exclusive for the Lord General's use? Is there a rank or insignia on it somewhere?

Maybe everyone recognizes his distinctive voice. (Admittedly, that's hard to portray in a comic.) Or maybe it's how there's a Cassian who seems to be following his orders? Granted, if I was there I don't think I would be brave enough to ask for proof. o_O
Centcomm 11th Mar 2016, 1:05 AM edit delete reply

Actually the suit IS custom made for Maxus Also although its cut out of most of the scenes he does have a standard pole ( that also serves as a comm antenna. And the suit is well known in Roma as belonging to him. ) along with his custom hand cannon and Sword.
Just_IDD 11th Mar 2016, 4:19 AM edit delete reply
I so so so so want a Shoulder Gatt, though I'd need to the suit exo support just to carry the thing.
Sheela 11th Mar 2016, 6:47 AM edit delete reply

Don't forget that there are very few men around of Maxus' stature, most of the failed experiments. probably sefterminated too.

Doesn't leave a lot left to the imagination to figure out who he is.
Fairportfan 11th Mar 2016, 3:33 AM edit delete reply

"We have a Hulk."

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"...and would you like to know my underwear size, Sir? I think it just got smaller."

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"Now we see the violence inherent in the system! Help! Help! I'm being oppressed!"

{Second time tonight i got to trot that one out in a comment...}
Centcomm 13th Mar 2016, 7:57 AM edit delete reply

heheh :D
Fairportfan 11th Mar 2016, 3:37 AM edit delete reply

Another quote i get to trot out for the second time in as many days: "While the pen is, in the long run, mightier than the sword, at any given moment, the sword speaks more loudly and convincingly." - the First Duke Grand Fenwick
Deoxy 11th Mar 2016, 7:55 AM edit delete reply
"The pen is mightier than the sword."

Only if the person with the sword decides not to kill the person with the pen. Or, to put it another way, that classic phrase is complete BS.

The pen isn't mightier, it just gets a lot more use, both socially approved and otherwise, so we have forgotten how mighty the metaphorical sword truly is.
Gilrandir 11th Mar 2016, 12:59 PM edit delete reply
The pen _is_ mightier than the sword because, with one pen, you can write a check for a LOT of swords. ^_^

But it's much less helpful if you don't happen to have those swords with you when you need them.
Gilrandir 13th Mar 2016, 9:32 AM edit delete reply
Just for fun, here's a poem on the topic from Christopher Stasheff's _Her Majesty's Wizard_.

Unto Greece, whose name lives yet,
Cadmus brought the alphabet.
Men then learned the written word,
Bites far harder than the sword
Kingdoms grew and spawned empire,
Written words then did inspire
Warriors to the scribe's desire.
On a green and fertile Heath
Cadmus sowed the dragon's teeth,
Reaping from them fighting men.
Let it work this time as then.
Tango Xray Actual 13th Mar 2016, 11:59 AM edit delete reply
Fantastic view of the question! Love the poem. The book just went onto my 'to read' list.

A slightly vulgar take on the question's inverse...

"Never piss off a Bard."
Lukkai 11th Mar 2016, 3:04 PM edit delete reply

Actually the phrase is absolutely correct. But not applicable to hand to hand combat.

A sword can win a duel. Kill an opponent.

A pen can win a war. Kill a system.
Tango Xray Actual 13th Mar 2016, 4:49 AM edit delete reply
Ah yes, but generally, only the winners have the opportunity to write, and usually do so voluminously.
Centcomm 13th Mar 2016, 7:50 AM edit delete reply

Very interesting way to look at the two comments :D
Stormwind13 11th Mar 2016, 3:43 AM edit delete reply

At least Dust realizes his position when Quintus explains it to him. And also that his allies AREN'T allies now. He is all on his own down here if he goes against Maxus.
Mark_L_A 11th Mar 2016, 7:46 AM edit delete reply

Kat looks at everything, realizes what Dust doesn't and takes action.
Stormwind13 11th Mar 2016, 8:14 AM edit delete reply

I really don't think Kat had to look at everything to arrive at her action, Mark. Her legal superior has arrived and issued an ORDER. Like a good soldier, Kat responded to it immediately! Part of it from military discipline, part of it from devotion to Maxus. He is one of the leaders that troops WANT to follow, because he is going to do everything he can to preserve loyal troops.
Centcomm 13th Mar 2016, 7:50 AM edit delete reply

Well Kat and Charis aren't actually Military they are civilians
Stormwind13 13th Mar 2016, 9:17 AM edit delete reply

Thought Kat was support military, what is called Staff. She called Maxus Sir after all. Guess she could be a 'polite' contractor (thought those were a myth! :-D).
Tokyo Rose 13th Mar 2016, 3:51 PM edit delete reply

Charis is actually the military staffer (accounting department). Kat is the civilian, being a junior supply clerk attached to the palace's motor pool.
sigpig 11th Mar 2016, 9:42 AM edit delete reply

So happy to see that Dust is a complete idiot in every comic he's in...
Stormwind13 11th Mar 2016, 10:05 AM edit delete reply

Not a COMPLETE idiot, sigpig. When Quintus listed reasons to comply with the request, a complete idiot would have kept arguing. :-D Dust avoided that at least.
Gilrandir 11th Mar 2016, 1:01 PM edit delete reply
A _complete_ idiot would have opened fire. ^_^
Stormwind13 11th Mar 2016, 1:06 PM edit delete reply

Yes, Gilrandir. There are several complete idiots scattered about the area. Maybe that helped Dust avoid that pitfall. :-)
Centcomm 13th Mar 2016, 7:47 AM edit delete reply

haha I don't think hes a total idiot. :D Too bad Mina isnt there to help - right?
kitty 11th Mar 2016, 5:52 PM edit delete reply
It's like Lucy in the Charlie Brown cartoon: "I'll give you five good reasons: (makes a fist) One, two, three, four, five!"
Centcomm 13th Mar 2016, 7:47 AM edit delete reply

Agreed!
KarToon12 11th Mar 2016, 6:08 PM edit delete reply

In the words of John Wayne, "Anymore questions you wanna' ask?"
Centcomm 13th Mar 2016, 7:46 AM edit delete reply

heheh Yeah I can see that too. :D
Stormwind13 12th Mar 2016, 11:15 AM edit delete reply

Little Buddy? Quintus isn't wearing Skipper's hat... And Dust isn't wearing a sailor's hat either (though admittedly he might remind one of Gilligan). [Damn, I just dated myself horribly, didn't I? :-D]
Centcomm 13th Mar 2016, 7:46 AM edit delete reply

I know right! I caught the same idea.
TheD-Wrek 12th Mar 2016, 3:41 PM edit delete reply

Oh, Dust. X)

Loving the past couple pages! So cool! :D
Centcomm 13th Mar 2016, 7:46 AM edit delete reply

Thanks D! Im really happy to see you posting! :D
Howard 13th Mar 2016, 12:05 AM edit delete reply
Ok I know This place is suppose to be behind the times technologically but you have a guy in power armor and a radio that looks like it came strait out of some 80 action movie all in the same shot lol.
Centcomm 13th Mar 2016, 7:45 AM edit delete reply

Sometimes there is just no replacing a simple design. There is a trope about it. And the radio may look like a museum piece but its electronics are still higher tech than today.
Tango Xray Actual 13th Mar 2016, 11:48 AM edit delete reply
a) Form follows function
There are only so many way to make a safety pin, layout a touch interface or armor a body.

b) Fingers are large and clumsy things when attempting to use a 'chicklet' keypad at 'speed,' especially during a high stress situation, so design must be in a form that can be used without taking your eyes off the situation or opposition. At least she wasn't wearing gloves. In other words, the 10-key layout will probably be immortal.

(For example - why my iPhone sucks! No tactile feed back)
Lukkai 14th Mar 2016, 7:09 PM edit delete reply

Rule number one about designing military gear: It will without fail be subjected to hits, shocks and jolts and still have to function. If making it a bit thick and sturdy is the way to reach that, that's just what it's gonna have to be then.
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