Comic 1330 - Imminent Failure

31st Mar 2016, 9:00 PM
Imminent Failure
Average Rating: 5 (20 votes)

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Centcomm 31st Mar 2016, 9:14 PM edit delete
Centcomm
Sorry ive been off about about - I am currently working on getting all the rest of the pages done and in the pipe for you guys so please keep discussing!

Ill try to comment as I can!
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Dragonrider 31st Mar 2016, 9:07 PM edit delete reply

As I said FUBAR to the max. Houston we have a problem here, the computer is playing ring around the rosie, and rosie is getting toasty. However very perceptive when it comes to TR. Whatever did she mean "Not this time"?
Centcomm 31st Mar 2016, 10:03 PM edit delete reply

with rose you never know :D
DLKmusic 1st Apr 2016, 1:56 AM edit delete reply

I think at the very least, this page gives some credence to your argument last page, Dragonrider!
Stormwind13 1st Apr 2016, 7:54 AM edit delete reply

The only problem is that on More Answers (27 January 2016) Kagami tells Dolly, Lynn and Acantha that the kidnapping plot is "...entirely the product of Livus's diseased mind." I don't think Kagami was lying. Which means Tokyo Rose is not responsible for Lynn's abduction; however, I could easily see her becoming aware of the plot and not warning anyone. Deciding it was the best crowbar she was going to get to change things in Nova Roma she let it happen then moved her pieces to take advantage of it.
Dragonrider 1st Apr 2016, 10:48 AM edit delete reply

@Stormwind13: Hate to disagree with you however, I trust every entity on that crew to CYA no matter how deep they have to pile it. So yes I think she deliberately lied. I still say Rose is the only one who could have engineered the plan and given info to Douchie so he could have an ambush team in place and ready. Hopefully Lynn would survive Douchie and The Black Palace but if not, Oh Well so sorry collateral damage. shit happens.
Stormwind13 1st Apr 2016, 2:54 PM edit delete reply

Cynical much, Dragonrider? Guess we will see who is more right.
Tokyo Rose 1st Apr 2016, 3:31 PM edit delete reply

@Dragonrider

Word of God here:
Decimus's plan to kidnap Lynn was entirely his own plan, and he made use of his own information sources to carry it out. Tokyo Rose was not one of those information sources; she wouldn't be terribly willing to give that fucking nutbar an accurate time of day, never mind telling him where or how to get hold of a Taylor.
jamie59 31st Mar 2016, 9:15 PM edit delete reply

"This time"! What did you do Rose?
Centcomm 31st Mar 2016, 10:03 PM edit delete reply

Shhh ... they might be listening :D
Sheela 1st Apr 2016, 8:43 AM edit delete reply

*big ears flopping in the wind*

:D
Haegan2005 2nd Apr 2016, 12:56 PM edit delete reply

puppies know everything.

So Sheela, what did you learn while stealin... acquiring as a gift, Roses slippers?
Sheela 2nd Apr 2016, 4:39 PM edit delete reply

I learned ... that they smell!

And that the word DOG, is spelled GOD in reverse.
Haegan2005 2nd Apr 2016, 4:50 PM edit delete reply

Ohh how true!
HiFranc 31st Mar 2016, 9:21 PM edit delete reply

And Acantha's no longer there?
Visvires 1st Apr 2016, 12:29 AM edit delete reply
Suddenly a very bad thing.
Wolfsbane 1st Apr 2016, 12:09 PM edit delete reply

Maybe they can get her back before Aeneas goes completely off the rails? She might be able to calm him quicker and more than any of them could.
cattservant 31st Mar 2016, 9:56 PM edit delete reply

There is some truth to that...
Gilrandir 31st Mar 2016, 10:19 PM edit delete reply
Oh, they've met. How nice. I imagine it was tea and cookies all-round. ^_^

Just in the interest of wild speculation, I wonder if Rose was complicit in Livius' earlier attack on Aeneas. Possibly as part of some earlier game she was running where she imagined that the McGuffin would get stolen, but no one would get hurt. Livius decided to improvise ... there was an accident ... a few deaths were involved ... this helps account for her genial and mild-mannered reaction to Kyle's decision to improvise as well as her current feelings of guilt?

Or not. It's just a theory.
Dragonrider 31st Mar 2016, 10:48 PM edit delete reply

@Gilrandir: Think about Imperial Japan ruled by a Shadow Group headed by TR propping up the Open Government And who is in the process of increasing her back stage sphere of influence on an Interstellar scale.
Gilrandir 31st Mar 2016, 11:30 PM edit delete reply
Tokyo Rose's scope is allegedly "Terra", not "Japan" -- or even "Asia". I don't think she could be as closely aligned with any power bloc (even a shadowy one) and still not be identified as such by the movers and skiers of the DataChasers world.

But, even if she were, how does that invalidate my hypothesis? This would be a terrible time and a terrible way for her to be making a naked power grab. (As much as I might like to see Tokyo Rose making a naked power grab. ^_^)

I expect Rose attempts to stick meddling fingers and threads of control into every power structure on the planet -- all while dismissing, belittling, cursing or outright condemning anyone else attempting to do the same. I just expect that she has also been generally, but not completely successful at it in most cases, while doing her utmost to minimize the extent to which responsibility for her efforts can be tied to her. As such, it seems likely to she was involved in some way with the earlier Nova Roma catastrophe. How, and in what way has yet to be revealed.

Again, just a theory.
Gilrandir 31st Mar 2016, 11:33 PM edit delete reply
The dreaded typo: "shakers", not "skiers".
HiFranc 1st Apr 2016, 2:26 AM edit delete reply

Curse my auto-editing brain - I didn't even spot the error until you mentioned it.
Centcomm 1st Apr 2016, 8:27 AM edit delete reply

You would be able to edit your posts if you had a CF account ! *winks*
Sheela 1st Apr 2016, 8:46 AM edit delete reply

Join us ... jooooiiiinnn usssss ... the dark side has cookies for new members! :)
Stormwind13 1st Apr 2016, 10:11 AM edit delete reply

I thought we made cookies FROM new members, Sheela. :-D
Wolfsbane 1st Apr 2016, 12:14 PM edit delete reply

nom nom nom
Sheela 1st Apr 2016, 3:29 PM edit delete reply

Shhhh, don't let them know!
Tokyo Rose 1st Apr 2016, 3:39 PM edit delete reply

@Gilrandir

Aurelian Livius masterminded, instigated, and led not only the military coup that took over New Rome, but the strike force that attempted to destroy Aeneas. Aurelian was virulently anti-A.I. and anti-android. If his plans had been known to Tokyo Rose, the Treasures, Cent-Comm, Agamemnon, Deep Blue, or basically any non-fucking-lunatic, immediate action would have been taken to stop him. Tokyo Rose has a lot of regrets, but the attempted murder of an A.I.S. is not one of them.
Gilrandir 1st Apr 2016, 4:02 PM edit delete reply
Oh, I figured that. Rose appears to have always been pro-machine intelligence (or possibly just pro-intelligence -- though that may be overly generous).

My speculation was more along the lines of Rose wanting to get something (probably info) that Aeneas had, so she slipped Livius info to facilitate bypassing some of the defenses. (Perhaps hoping to use him as a distraction.) Livius thought to himself "If I can slip in a few trained operatives, I could just as easily drive in a few tank divisions. It is time for a Final Solution to my A.I. problem!"

Of course, I was assuming that the anti-A.I. sentiment in Nova Roma and with Livius himself was made much worse by response to Aeneas' retaliatory strikes, rather than being in-place _before_ the flashwar. After all, why would you loathe and hate an important part of your own city that is helping your peace and prosperity? But, as always, you know the actual backstory better than I.
Tokyo Rose 1st Apr 2016, 4:48 PM edit delete reply

Aurelian's degree of anti-A.I.S. sentiment was definitely unusual at the time.
Morituri 1st Apr 2016, 12:19 AM edit delete reply
Clearly they know each other, and just as clearly had a relationship (of some kind) that ended with conflict and a falling-out in the past.

Just as clearly Rose still cares for him, and having had his emotional development more or less arrested for the last century or so he's still living with anger.

Obviously there has been relationship drama. Okay, who wants to write cybernetic slashfic?
HiFranc 1st Apr 2016, 2:22 AM edit delete reply

I thought that slashfic concerned homosexual male relationships?
Stormwind13 1st Apr 2016, 8:12 AM edit delete reply

I think it can be either sex, HiFranc, as long as both are the same sex. Though it may be more common for it to be males. Honestly don't know. :-)
Gilrandir 1st Apr 2016, 11:09 AM edit delete reply
Semi-historical digression into the annals of fandom:

There was a time when most science fiction was written by fans. Luminaries such a Robert Heinlein, Arthur C. Clarke, Andre Norton were fans and proud of it. But "fanfic" as we know it became a widely recognized term more or less around the timeframe of Star Trek:The Original Series. And one particular sub-genre of that fanfic focused on Kirk, Spock, and the varieties of imaginary relationships between them. It grew so common and so profoundly and so much in accordance with Sturgeon's Law ("90% of everything is sh*t!"), that it spawned its own shorthand. It was first described as "Kirk/Spock fanfic" (pronounced "Kirk slash Spock fanfic"). As people began to expand the genre to more and more characters shipping characters who didn't belong to the author, it became known as "X-slash-Y fic", and then ultimately just "slashfic". As far as I know, the fact that the relationship may be homoerotic is irrelevant. (Though it is a common misconception because so much of it is and so much of the earliest examples of it were.) If you're writing non-canon romances about characters, it's slashfic -- unless it gets picked up and published, in which case it's just "fic". ^_^
Morituri 1st Apr 2016, 1:20 PM edit delete reply
I wouldn't even necessarily suppose it was any kind of sexual relationship - after all, sex is a biological thing, and these two aren't biological. Unless they specifically configured themselves to enjoy that, they probably wouldn't.

I'm just supposing that they had a relationship of some kind, which ended in conflict and a falling-out. Lovers are not the only people who have relationships. So do siblings, business partners, partners-in-crime, co-participants in weird hobbies, etc.
Gilrandir 1st Apr 2016, 1:26 PM edit delete reply
I completely agree with you about "relationship drama", @Morituri. However, "cybernetic slashfic" definitely implies some kind of romantic (even if not necessarily sexual) relationship. So that would rule out broker/investor or student/guidance counselor relationships. (Except for certain extra-kinky types of slashfic. ^_^)
Hana 2nd Apr 2016, 3:49 AM edit delete reply
Well we know Rose helped CREATE Aeneas, and he's been reffered to as a little brother by the Japan AIs, so Rose could have a greatly-elder-sibling, if not motherly, relationship with Aeneas.
Gilrandir 3rd Apr 2016, 12:58 PM edit delete reply
It occurs to me that referring to someone with major trust issues as "little brother" while you have them (figuratively) strapped to a table and are busy rewriting their mentality might not be the wisest choice of words. It could be downright ... creepy. ("Join us, Aeneas. We love you, little brother. We'll take care of you. We're not like the other people you've trusted in the past. We have a track reco- ... Wait. Ignore that last part.")
Steven-Vincent 1st Apr 2016, 4:25 AM edit delete reply

Very nice VFX on this page.
mjkj 1st Apr 2016, 5:29 AM edit delete reply

Uh,... poor Aeneas...

...but please do not hurt Rose...

...how can he burn her? hurt her? in the first place?

Maybe he will calm down when he sees Acantha?

...but what if he sees her fleeing from him?

XD

Stormwind13 1st Apr 2016, 7:35 AM edit delete reply

I'm not sure he is burning her, mjkj. That may just how Aeneas 'imagines' it. I think it is just feeding energy into her form and causing a feedback to Rose's presence in Aeneas' interface region of his hardware. As damaged as he is though I'm not sure what he'll do to her... or himself.

If Acantha was still available that might work, but I think she is running for her life. On the plus side I think Aeneas is too damaged to see thru his cameras to realize she is running away.
chk 1st Apr 2016, 7:22 AM edit delete reply

Perhaps Rose knows all the city AIs intimately. Maybe she brokered the deal that brought them all together to stop the war in the first place. She has been around influencing the scene longer than anyone.
mjkj 1st Apr 2016, 8:14 AM edit delete reply

Not totally true, chk, CentComm was about longer than Rose, her origins lie in the 1960ies (iirc)...

Edit to clarify: CentComm (the writer) said in a comment somewhere concerning an AIS that s/he was around since the 1960ies (IIRC the AIS in question was CentComm) - Rose was still human a few years prior LunaStar and is therefore younger

Stormwind13 1st Apr 2016, 8:20 AM edit delete reply

Probably true mjkj; however, Tokyo Rose has been a BUSY BODY longer than anyone else. :-D
mjkj 2nd Apr 2016, 12:55 AM edit delete reply

True, Stormwind.
chk 1st Apr 2016, 9:12 AM edit delete reply

CentComm was around in the 1960s? I've got some re-reading to do.
highlander55 1st Apr 2016, 7:23 PM edit delete reply

Blue is the oldest from what I remember reading.
Gilrandir 1st Apr 2016, 1:35 PM edit delete reply
@chk, I like the notion of Rose knowing all the other AIS's 'intimately'. Folder 201, here I come! ^_^

(AISTDs--"Aeneas --Sh*t, that burns!" ^_^ Blossoming Relationships -- "Kani, I _need_ you! Here!")
Sheela 1st Apr 2016, 8:47 AM edit delete reply

I find it intersting that Rose can feel pain.
Haegan2005 2nd Apr 2016, 1:08 PM edit delete reply

So does Dolly, at least now. Any of the AI with the type three bodies would feel pain feedback through their bodies, iirc.

A sufficiently advanced AI with programming to replicate the human body would also feel pain.

And then their is Rose. I believe it likely that she was human at some time, and may still have organic parts that do not age(normally?). Though I believe that what they are really dealing with is an emulation AI that the original Rose made of herself and it has grown to be this Rose over the Centuries.

The authors have said that Rose was the premier programmer and hacker of her time. She had access to equipment and money that likely some nations would have been envious of. We also know from the other comic that she used to teach at a university of some sort and that the labs could get interesting if she oopsed!(iirc a combat robot went rogue in one)

But we don't know that that was the real Rose or not. (It probably was because an AI would not make that mistake more then once, the human mind is much more fallible.)

Stormwind13 2nd Apr 2016, 4:00 PM edit delete reply

I wonder if she was ever physically IN the classroom though Haegan. Even now they have classrooms where the teacher is 'beamed' in from somewhere else. Rose may have been tele-teaching and Granger may have been 'exposed' to the rogue robot. :-) I don't know, but I had to wonder from all I've seen if Rose was really there or just a telepresence. :-)
Haegan2005 2nd Apr 2016, 4:09 PM edit delete reply

This is true. Doesn't make it any less exciting for the students when the combat droid goes bonkers though!
Tokyo Rose 3rd Apr 2016, 3:48 PM edit delete reply

Stormwind tagged it. Professor Akaibara taught by telepresence. :D
Gilrandir 4th Apr 2016, 10:12 PM edit delete reply
Apparently, in Japanese, "Akaibara" translates to "Red Rose", suggesting that, even at the time of Luna Star, "Professor Akaibara" was Tokyo Rose 'passing' as human, rather than having been a biological being.

Just conjecture, of course.
Mark_L_A 1st Apr 2016, 9:13 AM edit delete reply

I think it is possible Aeneas can hurt TR. He can back feed her input lines and cause a surge in any of the processors she is using.
Visvires 1st Apr 2016, 1:42 PM edit delete reply
As crafty as she is, I'm surprised there are no countermeasures for that. Did she choose to forgo intermediate nodes for speed?
Stormwind13 1st Apr 2016, 3:07 PM edit delete reply

Tokyo Rose may have had to forego them, Visvires, to allow information to flow as fast as possible. Kagami indicated that delays were NOT good, so I think you are on the right track. No added obstructions allowed. :-)
Matt Knab 1st Apr 2016, 5:32 PM edit delete reply

This...isn't going as well as it could have...
Romfire 1st Apr 2016, 9:52 PM edit delete reply
Could the black angel have hacked Roses access, shut her out and presented herself as a copy?
Aeneas might be able to pick up on the deception and be fighting back. The description "hollow, poison prickles, Lies and illusions! Echoes! all sound like Rose is not who she seems to be.
Stormwind13 2nd Apr 2016, 6:31 AM edit delete reply

Enough to fool the Three Treasures too, Romfire? I sincerely doubt it.

Rather I think Tokyo Rose has had to do things in the past that are catching up with her. She has lied by omission, intentionally mislead entities and generally done some not too nice things... all in order to PRESERVE nice things (overall). Plus Aeneas is probably 'tainted' by his own memories. The betrayal he felt toward EVERYTHING when he was attacked and so horribly reduced.

Surprisingly, I don't think Tokyo Rose actually LIES all the often. She doesn't care overmuch about other people's opinions and feelings. She wants the best outcome for EVERYONE, not just an individual. So she is frequently honest, even brutally honest. What she does do, A LOT, is withhold information. So that people reach the wrong conclusions, like Kyle thinking he was going to save ONLY Lynn.

Go back and look at how Rose presented things from like Rose's Place (7 April 2009) to Kyle. Rose told him what she wanted him for! She needed someone to (help) fix Aeneas. Kyle said he wanted to rescue Lynn, Rose didn't tell him that is what he would be doing! Go back and read it again if you doubt it! Kyle came out thinking he was going to rescue Lynn, but that is NOT what Rose told him.
Timotheus 2nd Apr 2016, 2:58 PM edit delete reply

As a purely out of the blue opinion, I see most of the world's AIS as having been built on Western/IBM logic principles. This makes their internal operating philosophies more or less cost-benefit ratio comparison based (Western Philosophy). Tokyo Rose for some reason has a more Oriental outlook as her programming core, possibly based on traditional Shinto Philosophy of desirable results versus undesirable results. This makes her actions seem irrational to other AIS and ultimately suspect.
Stormwind13 2nd Apr 2016, 4:18 PM edit delete reply

I can see where you are coming from... early supercomputers were in the USA (but not only there, Manchester in England being another). Still there were only a few supercomputer architectures in the early days. Crey was the big name back in those early days. :-)
KarToon12 2nd Apr 2016, 4:13 PM edit delete reply

It's so weird to see Rose scared.

At least it makes for his good poetry slam. :)
Centcomm 3rd Apr 2016, 3:31 PM edit delete reply

Oh just wait for monday!
Lukkai 3rd Apr 2016, 2:39 PM edit delete reply

Is that a reflection or a wardrobe malfunction on Rose in that last panel, left (her view) side under her shoulder? Can't say for sure.
Centcomm 3rd Apr 2016, 3:30 PM edit delete reply

gah.. yes it its.. I mean no its a reflection.. yeah.. *dies*
Tokyo Rose 3rd Apr 2016, 3:49 PM edit delete reply

It's going to disappear once I'm finished postworking it. *flails magic editor wand around*
Stormwind13 3rd Apr 2016, 3:54 PM edit delete reply

Maybe it her outfit is suffering the effects of Aeneas' attack (or whatever you want to call his glowing hand)? :-)
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