Comic 1340 - It's That Time Again

21st Apr 2016, 9:00 PM
It's That Time Again
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Mark_L_A 21st Apr 2016, 9:01 PM edit delete reply

So her Avatar is an albino and not her.
velvetsanity 22nd Apr 2016, 8:20 AM edit delete reply

Her avatar can't be albino without white hair...
Guest 22nd Apr 2016, 9:01 AM edit delete reply
That's what hair dye is for. I doubt even in this universe blue is a natural color.
Gilrandir 22nd Apr 2016, 10:01 AM edit delete reply
Given that, at the moment, we are discussing graphic representations of idealized constructs in a digital cyberspace, the notion of what is and is not a 'natural color' is ... piquant.

I can tell you that, for some of us, the representations are not yet sufficiently graphic, but I don't think we're going to be getting any kind of scene reminiscent of Drunken Dolly and the mercenary. ^_^. (Who wears clothing into a cryo tube anyway? ^_^)

I'm not yet sure where our storytellers are going with this, so I am adopting a wait (and wait ... and wait ... and wait ... ^_^) and see attitude. One thing I think we can all be fairly confident of, though ...

We will not be finding out any time soon whether Digital Rose's cyber-tatami matches her virtual-kakejiku. ^_^
Mark_L_A 22nd Apr 2016, 12:39 PM edit delete reply

I think the clothing might be a monitoring garment. Otherwise they would have no way of knowing if Rose was having medical issues.
Speedy Marsh 2nd Apr 2017, 8:19 AM edit delete reply
Of course you'd wear clothes in a cryo tube. Do you have any idea how cold it gets in there? ;)

Also, if you were frozen naked in a transparent cylinder, you'd probably end up on display in a museum for a couple of thousand years. Your face (and everything else) would be as famous as Venus de Milo and the statue of David.
Gilrandir 2nd Apr 2017, 8:47 AM edit delete reply
You don't want to wear clothes into a cryo tube, because you don't want it to become a 'chafing dish'. ^_^

Not to mention that, if you have an attractive and comely shape, we don't want you to wear clothes into the tube, avoiding both rime and reason. ^_^

But fine. If they want to put monitoring garments on Tokyo Rose, I'll defer to their completely reasonable concerns. But, if they're going to monitor her, they should at least monitor her. Do you think they have an idea of even a fraction of what she's actually up to? ^_^
Tokyo Rose 22nd Apr 2016, 4:46 PM edit delete reply

Her real body is an albino; red eyes are the only nod to it on her chosen digital avatar and her doll bodies. (And yeah, there are monitoring sensors in the garment her real body's wearing.)
Dragonrider 21st Apr 2016, 9:03 PM edit delete reply

You can do better cliffhangers than this Evil Duo!
NinjaYacdan 21st Apr 2016, 9:18 PM edit delete reply
Shutupshutupshutup! Don't provoke them!
Thomas 22nd Apr 2016, 5:51 AM edit delete reply
Ninja I can't "like" your comment so I'm letting you know I like your comment.
Stormwind13 22nd Apr 2016, 7:14 AM edit delete reply

Too late for that Ninja. CentComm already scheduled SIX weeks of cliffhangers (last page's comments). ::Offers Ninja a pitchfork and torch to hunt down CentComm::
CptKerion 23rd Apr 2016, 4:03 PM edit delete reply
Torches! Pitchforks! All your angry mob supplies right here! Come get your Torches! Pitchforks!

Sorry, couldn't resist.
Gilrandir 23rd Apr 2016, 8:04 PM edit delete reply
"A riot is an ugly thing ...

... and it is about time we had one!" ^_^
ProfEtheric 21st Apr 2016, 9:17 PM edit delete reply

Heh... "Knock it off, punk-ass!"

<3 Rose's banter!
HiFranc 21st Apr 2016, 9:41 PM edit delete reply

The big question is: How will Rose feel about her new appearance? The next question is: How will the others fixing him feel about it?

{edit} If she truly objected, she could easily stop him. I suspect that she's curious.

{edit 2} The fact that she's not really trying to stop him means that I'm beginning to wonder if this is some kind of foreplay for both of them.

No, I'm not a shipper...I am not grinning...Oh, who am I trying to kid?
Stormwind13 22nd Apr 2016, 4:28 AM edit delete reply

I'm not as certain Rose could stop Aeneas, HiFranc. I think Rose can do things Aeneas (or any other AI) cannot do; however, I get the feeling AI's have way more raw POWER than Rose does. Which is how Aeneas blew Rose up. She is the scalpel compared to his chainsaw.
Wolfsbane 22nd Apr 2016, 6:14 AM edit delete reply

@HiFranc - I didn't want to say it, but it did sound like a form of "That tickles! Don't! stop! Don't stop!" There's no such thing as digital incest, is there?
HiFranc 22nd Apr 2016, 1:26 PM edit delete reply

If there is, Rose is a sufficiently distant relation.
The Old Scribe 21st Apr 2016, 9:45 PM edit delete reply

"Oh, mais oui, madame. You must try our newest body mod. Your own friends will not recognize you. It is, how you say, tres chic and all the rage in Cannes and on the Riviera. A nip here, a tuck there, viola, a new you! Will that be cash or charge?"
HiFranc 21st Apr 2016, 9:47 PM edit delete reply

The three treasures would as they know who Rose is.
HiFranc 21st Apr 2016, 9:50 PM edit delete reply

Rose's digital avatar is ticklish - that's good to know.
Sheela 22nd Apr 2016, 1:58 AM edit delete reply

That's actually pretty interesting.
HiFranc 21st Apr 2016, 9:54 PM edit delete reply

All this talk about masks reminds me of the TV Tropes page "Becoming the mask".
mjkj 21st Apr 2016, 10:35 PM edit delete reply

So, Rose is getting a makeover...

I wonder how she will look like afterwards... XD

Stormwind13 22nd Apr 2016, 6:08 AM edit delete reply

I'm thinking Rose will look however Aeneas perceives her REAL appearance, mjkj. Now how close to sleeping beauty he gets, I guess we will find out Monday.
TheSkulker 22nd Apr 2016, 10:06 AM edit delete reply

Unless the scene switches to the tunnel!
Stormwind13 22nd Apr 2016, 11:03 AM edit delete reply

Said Wednesday for that, Skulker. So we SHOULD get one more here on Monday.
Centcomm 22nd Apr 2016, 8:33 PM edit delete reply

No scene switches till Wednesday.
Gilrandir 21st Apr 2016, 11:37 PM edit delete reply
More very lovely and complicated light constructs. My compliments to the artist(s).
Centcomm 22nd Apr 2016, 8:33 PM edit delete reply

Thank you very much!
cattservant 22nd Apr 2016, 12:11 AM edit delete reply

reality is a play of masks...
Stormwind13 22nd Apr 2016, 4:37 AM edit delete reply

"Well, we all have a face
That we hide away forever
And we take them out
And show ourselves when everyone has gone
Some are satin, some are steel
Some are silk and some are leather
They're the faces of a stranger
But we'd love to try them on"
cattservant 22nd Apr 2016, 12:19 PM edit delete reply

the balance
makes face
Centcomm 22nd Apr 2016, 8:46 PM edit delete reply

Yes it is. :D
TheSkulker 22nd Apr 2016, 12:51 AM edit delete reply

I suspect that I am in the minority here but this seems extremely out of character for Rose.

1-to allow this means she is giving up her dominant position over Aeneas.

2-More importantly, she is breaking cover. She had just threatened Aeneas with death if he disclosed her secret yet by allowing him to show her true form she is opening the door to such revelations.

3-Aeneas is again coming across as a petulant child.
HiFranc 22nd Apr 2016, 1:00 AM edit delete reply

1. I think that there is a large part of Rose that wants to appear in her true form.

2. She doesn't have to appear in this form when others are around.

3. In Aeneas's case I believe that it's more PTSD.

Add to that that Rose feels guilty for not being able to save him and that she needs him on side to be able to put things right and it's perfectly understandable to me.
Sheela 22nd Apr 2016, 1:59 AM edit delete reply

She has a backup of her avatar, she can always reload it.
Dragonrider 22nd Apr 2016, 10:36 AM edit delete reply

Who says he will not have a block on revealing her new "face". Remember she can appear to those she wants to see her only in a crowded room.
Mark_L_A 22nd Apr 2016, 1:02 PM edit delete reply

Technically Rose is one of Aeneas' "Mothers" and she could actually have feelings of such, plus as you say she may feel some guilt that her "Child" was harmed and she couldn't prevent it.
Centcomm 22nd Apr 2016, 8:47 PM edit delete reply

I have to disagree. I dont think Aeneas is acting like a petulant child.
Sheela 23rd Apr 2016, 1:39 AM edit delete reply

Besides, if he's a construct of Rose's, you'd expect him to be a little ... odd, and stubborn.
highlander55 24th Apr 2016, 7:39 PM edit delete reply

I think Rose is letting this go on to kill time for them to fix Aeneas.
Gilrandir 24th Apr 2016, 8:16 PM edit delete reply
I have a character in a tabletop RPG who espouses many philosophies -- one of which I suspect Rose strongly agrees with:

Unless you have no other choice, never, ever, do anything for just one reason. ^_^
Timotheus 22nd Apr 2016, 1:25 AM edit delete reply

Well, it IS keeping Aeneas distracted and they can probably wipe his current short term memory storage if they really feel it's necessary considering his present state of bypassed defenses.
I'm not sure if Decimus would react to a White Lady haunting his palace but this could be a new side line for a pale Rose.
Wolfsbane 22nd Apr 2016, 6:16 AM edit delete reply

Depending on what she does with the color wheel, it could even be a whiter shade of pale.
sigpig 22nd Apr 2016, 11:49 AM edit delete reply

Mark_L_A 22nd Apr 2016, 12:43 PM edit delete reply

I shall note that our Evil Duo are very quiet this day.

Which leads me to thinkg they are behind the scenes either snarfing outrageously to keep a *secret*


They are plotting and scheming to revise the script to make it even MORE evil with more cliffhangers and plot adjustments.
Stormwind13 22nd Apr 2016, 5:01 PM edit delete reply

I'm not sure they could GET much more EVIL, Mark!
Centcomm 22nd Apr 2016, 8:48 PM edit delete reply

SOrry just been a busy day :D

And yes .. We are still tinkering with the script :D
Matt Knab 22nd Apr 2016, 2:39 PM edit delete reply

Haha, this could get awkward!
KarToon12 22nd Apr 2016, 3:08 PM edit delete reply

"Done talking about this shit-o-clock..."

DLKmusic 22nd Apr 2016, 7:29 PM edit delete reply

no kidding! I was tempted to use it twice today on the phones!

Rose, You aren't helping my Job Security situation!!!
Centcomm 22nd Apr 2016, 8:48 PM edit delete reply

HAHAH Awesome! Rose will be so pleased.
Haegan2005 22nd Apr 2016, 6:13 PM edit delete reply

Things that make you go Hmmm.
Romfire 22nd Apr 2016, 7:49 PM edit delete reply
I think the digital mass is her "Real" digital self with out any masks. The Avatar is a self styled self image.
Though if that is the case, Aeneas is wearing a mask. I think when she is Un-Avatarised Aeneas can "See" her as she truly is digitally. So EEEK indeed, she is truly exposed. This would be the closest thing to an A.I.S. in the nude.
Centcomm 22nd Apr 2016, 8:58 PM edit delete reply

Hehe you will see on monday.. :D
Timotheus 23rd Apr 2016, 12:25 AM edit delete reply

I've been wondering if Rose was going to point out that without his "mask" Aeneas is one or more sealed equipment bays lined with a series of cabinet doors and maybe a camera and speaker if he wants to communicate with anyone.
Morituri 23rd Apr 2016, 9:42 AM edit delete reply
Self-awareness is hard. All those things - cabinets, doors, cameras, equipment bays ... they don't have the kind of, I dunno, maybe the word is "proprioception" or some analogue of it, that it takes to really be perceived as part of a self.

I think a digital intelligence living in a world of data, would need something like "hands" to interact with it -- a general tool that could be used in consistent ways to do and sense a huge variety of things including unfamiliar and unknown things, that it wouldn't have to change when the underlying equipment changed. So, it would have some kind of "self" at the data level, and its awareness of all those server racks would be more or less like we think of our houses - places where we live, full of our stuff.

But, that digital "self" being humanoid, is just a story-telling convention. And its humanoid appearance is ... like talking about the color of breath. The fact of it having a definition at all, would indicate something severely weird in the world that AIs inhabit.

So I'm seeing this whole sequence as a metaphor for something outside our meatly experience.
HiFranc 24th Apr 2016, 4:02 PM edit delete reply

That's an interesting question. Who are we really? Some people would say that we're only a brain - the rest is just life support. That means that if you can read the structure of our neurons and we have an exact copy of that person. However, that is probably an overly simplistic view:

Without, say, adrenal glands, can we truly be frightened. And does that mean that we're not the same person? What if you could simulate adrenal glands in a computer, would the person who had a disease that is disrupted his endocrine system the same person if the computer version has working adrenal glands. Moving away from anger and fear, are you truly the same if your "body" can't feel the warm tingle all over when somebody you care about is in your mind?

There is increasing evidence that our gut microbiota has a profound impact on the brain. Experiments increasingly point to an imbalanced gut to have a negative impact on depression, stress, schizophrenia, etc. The microbiota depends on what exactly you eat and the environment that you live in. We don't know why that is but it is believed to be influential as it has the largest collection of neurons outside of the brain (I believe as many as in a cat's brain but my memory's faded there).

Coming closer to the issue at hand, psychology experiments have shown that a person's sense of morality changes when the question is asked in a language that is not a person's first (even if they are fluent in the other language). Other psychology experiments have shown that if we change a person's perception of their body then the way people see the world changes (the experiments that I am thinking of used virtual reality to make subjects, in the test groups, perceive that they were a different height or a different race). It didn't take long at all. Also, those who have face transplants often lose their previous sense of identity).

The experimental evidence supports Aeneas to a certain extent.

{edit} Also if you've ever used any world simulations, for example Second Life, do you really think, feel and act as you would in real life? I doubt you would.
Morituri 23rd Apr 2016, 9:48 AM edit delete reply
There is another point too. A name is not a person. A name is the government's link to a person. Other people use it too, and have always used names of one sort or another, but the kind of unchangeable name we think of as "normal" exists only by the decree of, and for the convenience of, governments.

In the real world? Unless governments refuse to acknowledge it, any name you've worn for more than three decades is your name. In the digital world? If you outlive governments that might have other opinions, any avatar you've used continuously for fifteen centuries is just how you look.
Morituri 22nd Apr 2016, 8:25 PM edit delete reply
Blast it to ... bits ....

I see what you did there. A little code joke?
Centcomm 22nd Apr 2016, 8:59 PM edit delete reply

just a byte. :D
Sheela 23rd Apr 2016, 1:39 AM edit delete reply

Lukkai 24th Apr 2016, 5:39 PM edit delete reply

Can't help but keep grinning about that last panel. (^_^)
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