Comic 1374 - Error Correction

7th Jul 2016, 9:00 PM
Error Correction
Average Rating: 5 (19 votes)

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Centcomm 7th Jul 2016, 9:10 PM edit delete
Centcomm
Okay folks .. I have meds and tying to stay calm. I have a appt with the doc for next thrusday so we shall see how it goes.

Seriously thank you for all the good wishes its made me feel really really good!
Tokyo Rose 8th Jul 2016, 6:05 PM edit delete
Tokyo Rose
To address the questions about why I had surgery:

I had a recurring nosebleed for almost a month, accompanied by a swollen lump on the septum inside the right nostril; almost any time I sneezed, blew my nose, or even just rubbed the outside of the nostril, it would bleed. An ENT specialist cauterized the site, but the bleeding continued, albeit at a much-reduced frequency and volume. I went back for a follow-up on Wednesday, and the ENT doctor stated that he was now certain it was a pyogenic granuloma (a/k/a a lobular capillary hemangioma), which required surgical excision under general anesthesia. Things got underway around 11 AM and I was released around 12:45, after a post-op recovery period. They actually let me see the mass itself in a little bottle of formalin. Damn thing was roughly spherical and about a centimeter in diameter, which explains why it was really starting to block my airway. It'll go in for histopathology to make sure that it's not malignant. I've got antibiotics and painkillers, along with instructions not to blow my nose for a few days so as to not disturb the healing tissues.

Incidentally, I have now discovered that nothing in the world makes me feel like I really, really need to blow my nose as much as being told "Don't blow your nose."
Centcomm 8th Jul 2016, 7:10 PM edit delete
Centcomm
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Visvires 7th Jul 2016, 9:03 PM edit delete reply
Does it take long enough to run on over and smash the processor its on?
Mark_L_A 7th Jul 2016, 9:03 PM edit delete reply

Uh oh. I've got a bad feeling CeCi may sacrifice herself to save Aeneas. and then Bye Bye CeCi.
Visvires 7th Jul 2016, 9:07 PM edit delete reply
Yeah, Rose not telling how to abort it is not a good sign. ...Or it just means she can handle it on her own, and we're having a conditioned response to cliffhangers.
Timotheus 9th Jul 2016, 2:14 AM edit delete reply

Why is there never a big red "STOP" button around when you need one?
Dragonrider 7th Jul 2016, 9:09 PM edit delete reply

My feelings exactly, She goes out a heroine, what ever is left is absorbed by the "First Circut". Hopefully Dolly knows her "Daughter" did her proud.

Dammit she is unbelievably gorgeous and sexy in that outfit, She has to live just to continue with her "Mommy". If nothing else let her at least say goodbye to Dolly.
Sleel 8th Jul 2016, 5:02 AM edit delete reply

I hope not. There has been enough noble self sacrifices goin on here. Let CeCi LIVE! \o/
Stormwind13 8th Jul 2016, 6:07 AM edit delete reply

CentComm designed CeCi as a disposable asset. :-7
Wolfsbane 8th Jul 2016, 8:24 AM edit delete reply

Yeah, I think you're right, Mark. Right on the mark, as it were (heh heh).
antrik 8th Jul 2016, 8:55 AM edit delete reply
I think I could almost live with her going out like that... Certainly a better end than just suddenly getting deleted out of the blue.
Wolfsbane 8th Jul 2016, 1:31 PM edit delete reply

....or out of the Deep Blue...
Sheela 10th Jul 2016, 7:56 AM edit delete reply

Everybody is "oh no CeCi" and "Don't let CeCi die!", but noone cares about the spike!

Poor spike, there it is, chillin' .. just doing what it's supposed to do, and all of a sudden CECI ASSASINATION !!

Where's the justice in that ?
Save the world, save the spike!
ProfEtheric 7th Jul 2016, 9:05 PM edit delete reply

Oh no... this doesn't seem good AT ALL!
cattservant 7th Jul 2016, 9:06 PM edit delete reply

Time to start shoveling!
Romfire 7th Jul 2016, 9:07 PM edit delete reply
Rose and Ceci working together can stop that spike. Rose isn't going to stand around and just watch.
Gilrandir 7th Jul 2016, 9:43 PM edit delete reply
She might just watch. Crisis and observation is the Bene Gesserit way. ^_^
DLKmusic 7th Jul 2016, 10:45 PM edit delete reply

Rose? a Bene Gesserit?

Uhm... that doesn't compute on so many levels that my cpu chip fried!!!

Gilrandir 7th Jul 2016, 10:54 PM edit delete reply
Really? Mysterious and possessed of a wealth of information. Prefers to be the unnoticed power behind the throne(s). Capable of mystic feats that defy ordinary cause and effect. A supreme manipulator of others to suit her own objectives -- which can be argued to be more or less benign than many others who might seek to establish such extensive webs of power and influence.

Seems a good fit to me.
Dragonrider 7th Jul 2016, 11:24 PM edit delete reply

Think you are much to kind, world domination and immortality is her long term goal.
Gilrandir 7th Jul 2016, 11:42 PM edit delete reply
And this is different from the Bene Gesserit ... how? ^_^ Especially when one considers their Other Memory, which can be argued to lead to a degree of continuity of personality.

The biggest difference, of course, is that there's only one Tokyo Rose, and her breeding program is more for metal persons than meat persons. But (my own opinion only), I think Tokyo Rose would find herself in harmony with many of the Bene Gesserit philosophies and practices -- though she might consider them a bit too ruthless for her tastes.
DLKmusic 8th Jul 2016, 12:50 AM edit delete reply

Bene Gesserit's primary tools are mind control and sexual addiction. TR is indifferent to the latter and a strong proponent to free will, which is exactly the opposite of mind control.

Further, The Bene Gesserit are willing to sacrifice entire planets of population to further their goals... Rose is trying to preserve the population.

If Rose were Bene Gesserit, after 1500 years, she would be in control of Cent-Comm (as well as big blue and every other AI on the planet), not fighting against her.

I agree with the "power behind the throne" similarity, but beyond that they are night and day.
Mark_L_A 8th Jul 2016, 3:05 AM edit delete reply

"Bene Gesserit's primary tools are mind control and sexual addiction. TR is indifferent to the latter and a strong proponent to free will, which is exactly the opposite of mind control."

Rose uses guilt, blackmail, and other handle she can use, regardless of the consequences to those she is controlling. Although she DOES try to make it appear right and correct, she is just as ruthless.

"Further, The Bene Gesseret are willing to sacrifice entire planets of population to further their goals... Rose is trying to preserve the population."

She only really has the ONE planet to work with, at the moment. Now if Rose truly is immortal now, and if mankind does have extra-solar territories on a far reaching scale, I can see where she might fall into that trap for the sake of convenience.
Greenwood Goat 8th Jul 2016, 1:05 AM edit delete reply
Rose is more of a Sweary Gesserit! >:=)>
DLKmusic 8th Jul 2016, 1:07 AM edit delete reply

I'll buy that, Greenwood, lol
Gilrandir 8th Jul 2016, 7:04 AM edit delete reply
"Sweary Gesserit" works. See, she has the power of the Voice. ^_^

As far as their primary tools being mind control and sexual addiction ... that may be something from the later books (which I admit I have not read). From the earlier books what I recall was their primary methods were politics and influence, certainly including influence in the bedroom. I'll also point out that Tokyo Rose being personally indifferent to sex has nothing to do with whether or not she uses it effectively as a tool of influence. It seems pretty apparent to me that Miraiko was a sexually active operative prepared to use it quite effectively to further her mission. (As an example.)

Rose is a proponent of Free Will that agrees with her, not Free Will that goes off to do its own thing and messes up her plans. (Cf., Kyle and the dinner party). The Bene Gesserit are willing to sacrifice portions of the overall population in the pursuit of a long term goal affecting the entire race. It just so happens that "portions", in this case, includes whole planets because the overall population is so vast. When, as @Mark_L_A points out, the entire population is confined to the local solar system, you need to scale things back appropriately. ^_^

Lastly, even given 1500 years to work, there's no guarantee of success. The Sisterhood had longer and still hadn't eliminated all opposition. And Rose isn't in the position of being able to increase her numbers in quite the same way. Humanity can be a stubborn and contrary beast. I don't think Tokyo Rose and CentComm habitually find themselves at odds -- more that each has their own areas of concern and that they step warily around the other when those concerns overlap. Or rather Rose is careful, while working to make sure that she stays below CentComm's radar, so that CentComm remains (to the extent possible) unaware of Rose as a factor to be considered.
Dragonrider 8th Jul 2016, 8:31 AM edit delete reply

Glad to see someone elsse call out TR for what she is. Remember what her namesake did in WWII. Her ultimate goal is Asian domination of the Earth with her as the Immortal Emperess, then work on Galatic Domination.
Gilrandir 8th Jul 2016, 8:44 AM edit delete reply
Errr..... I'm hoping your tongue is wedged firmly in your cheek with that one, @Dragonrider. ....

I'll just be ... standing ... over here. That's it. ... Yeah.
Wolfsbane 8th Jul 2016, 1:38 PM edit delete reply

So when will someone edit the Wikipedia page for Tokyo Rose to include our own lady in the Popular Culture section?
Dragonrider 8th Jul 2016, 4:43 PM edit delete reply

Read my ongoing commets on the subject. Tongue not in cheek.
Gilrandir 8th Jul 2016, 5:02 PM edit delete reply
Then I suspect your interpretation and mine differ in some fundamental ways about Rose's ultimate intentions.
Tokyo Rose 8th Jul 2016, 3:37 PM edit delete reply

She chose the name "Tokyo Rose" partly as a joke and partly as a jab at her creators--neither she nor they were Asian--and she's as interested in world domination as she is in jumping naked into a waterslide full of razor blades and sandpaper, since keeping humanity from derping itself into extinction is enough of a chore without being directly blamed for the entire planetary population's personal fuck-ups and misfortunes.

(I had surgery today and am still recovering from anesthesia; I have no idea if anything I've just said is even coherent.)
cattservant 8th Jul 2016, 3:58 PM edit delete reply

The frayed edges of creativity...
DLKmusic 8th Jul 2016, 4:43 PM edit delete reply

You too, Rose? Please tell us it isn't something serious!!!!

Please?
Gilrandir 8th Jul 2016, 5:04 PM edit delete reply
Any time you refer to them as 'creators' and not 'parents', it suggests you went through the 'crèche course' in Humanity. ^_^

[By the way, @Tokyo Rose, best wishes for a full and speedy recovery. I hope whatever issues led you to surgery will be fully and successfully addressed so as to produce the most desirable result.]
Dragonrider 9th Jul 2016, 12:40 PM edit delete reply

Thank you for the explanation of Rose's position. I refer to my previous comment about a Japanese grad school student's statement about the inevitable rise of Japan as the World Leader. Also in subsequent years during business trips to Japan I got much the same from some Business Leaders.
DLKmusic 8th Jul 2016, 3:32 PM edit delete reply

I'm actually a little stunned that I'm TR's only apologist here!

@Mark_L_A: you said "Rose uses guilt, blackmail, and other handle she can use, regardless of the consequences to those she is controlling. Although she DOES try to make it appear right and correct, she is just as ruthless."

I must have missed the part when she blackmailed someone.... I'll admit that she's Ruthless, Draconian would probably be a better term, but still. I don't recall her blackmailing anyone or actually directly manipulating any individual that wasn't already recruited as her agent. If I'm wrong, please show me references. The only thing that she HAS done IMHO in this arc that is morally/ethically questionable is place Miraiko in the the situation that she's in, and even then, Miraiko understood the necessity.

Regarding Sacrificing people to scale, Let's examine this for a second. New Rome is an entire city-state of technophobes, bound to be more trouble than they are worth for the foreseeable future. What benefits that could be gained from New Rome (most notably their biotech) could with far less effort be gained through theft and "liberating" their best scientists, which is a Time honored practice that goes all the way back to the Assyrians. The Bene-Gesserit solution to New Rome would be to help it on it's way to self-implosion, and try and get as many of these resources as they can before it happens. One city state that destroys itself would be an acceptable loss in the grand scheme of things.
Rose has instead chosen to preserve the lives of the citizens of this city state, even though all but a handful of those citizens would despise, fear and revile her for doing so, and will in all probability cause some extreme headaches for Rose in the future.

@Gilrandir: You said "Rose is a proponent of Free Will that agrees with her, not Free Will that goes off to do its own thing and messes up her plans. (Cf., Kyle and the dinner party)".
Sorry, but that isn't even close to a valid argument. Kyle was given his choice back when Rose recruited him. Once recruited, as the saying goes, "You're in the Army now!".
Please re-read pages 475-505. Rose was completely upfront with Kyle about what he was getting into, what he was expected to do and what he was expected NOT to do before he was given the choice "between the Red pill and the Blue pill". Once Kyle made that choice, for better or worse, part of his decision was that Rose would be making decisions for him. That he decided flip his middle finger at Rose as soon as he got the chance was his fault, not hers. Fortunately, Kyle has come to terms with it, but I cannot stress it enough that these terms stem from his own choice.

Final point about 1500 years to accomplish techno-domination, we've just seen on these last two pages what Rose is capable of. The fact is, she still respects Cent-Comm's independence (as well as Big Blue, and the other AI's). She has no desire to play puppet-master with any of them. Just by the influx of unknown technology that helped create Dolly's new frame, which Cent-Comm was entirely unaware of until she saw it, should be enough to clue you in that if Rose wanted to take down Cent-Comm, she could.

The Bene-Gesserit goal was indeed the Kwisatz Haderach. A galactic Messiah that was under their control, and as Maxwell Smart says... "they missed it by THAT much". Rose's goal is the preservation of sentient life on the planet. A much nobler goal, wouldn't you agree?
Gilrandir 8th Jul 2016, 4:54 PM edit delete reply
I would not say that you are Tokyo Rose's only apologist ... I would say that I have a much less negative view of the Bene Gesserit than you do.

For example, if the Bene Gesserit wanted New Rome gone they would definitely (as you say) work to undermine it from within and without and eventually leave it to collapse under its own weight. As, I suspect, would Rose if _she_ wanted it gone. However, the Bene Gesserit made active efforts to conserve gene lines and stable political structures. The 'scorched earth' solutions were typically choices of last resort. More likely they would work to conserve New Rome and shunt Decimus to a position of impotence. (At least, as I understand it.) The Bene Gesserit weren't acquisitive out of greed, they want the resources of the race working toward the ultimate destiny of the race (as they envision it). If that's how they are already being used, then they will generally leave them alone or encourage and support their controllers. If not, then they will work to assume control. The hubris of the Bene Gesserit stems from their conviction that they know the proper destiny of the Human race better than anyone else. (I'll also dispute "a Messiah under their control" as any Messiah under the control of mortal agencies isn't much of a Messiah. I do think that, like most "true believers", they thought they knew pretty well what the Messiah would be and what he would do. How'd that end up working out for them? ^_^)

We're just going to have to agree to disagree about "Who would win in a fight for domination, CentComm or Tokyo Rose?" The answer, as it always is to questions like this, is "Who's writing the story?" Each has their strengths and weaknesses, and only the creatrices know for sure.

To paraphrase Winston Churchill, 'Free Will is a terrible way to run a universe. It's just that all the other ways are worse.' Rose doesn't like it when people choose to do things that make her life more difficult. (Who does?) I didn't say she was working to snuff out anyone's free will, only that there were types of free will of which she approved, and others of which she did not. I can't speak to blackmail (which was _not_ a point I raised in any case), but we know she will use threats (and, by implication, violence) if she considers the matter important enough. When you do that, you infringe on the free will of others ... that's what 'violence' means. I don't find fault with that, in principle. The study of when violence is and is not justified in various belief and ethical systems is a complex and complicated one. Those who have power are often faced with choices that would make us uncomfortable. Tokyo Rose seems to be pursuing a mostly ethical course toward the future of the Human Race as she best envisions it. I can't really argue with that as a guiding principle.
DLKmusic 9th Jul 2016, 1:15 AM edit delete reply

While I admit that it's been over 30 years since I've read the Dune series (and oddly enough, I don't even consider it even close to the best thing Frank Herbert has written), there are points to your argument that just don't hold up.

"the Bene Gesserit made active efforts to conserve gene lines and stable political structures. The 'scorched earth' solutions were typically choices of last resort."
If this were true, the Bene Gesserit would not have actively supported House Harkonnen in it's war against House Atreides. Give me a choice between Decimus Livius and Vladimir Harkonnen, and I would be hard pressed not to choose Decimus as the lesser of two evils. The choice was made because Jessica Defied the Bene Gesserit and gave Leto Atreides a son rather than a daughter, who was supposed to eventually marry Feyd-Rautha Harkonnen. This set back the Bene Gesserit timetable by at least 8 generations. The amount of blood that was shed over this could have been avoided in several ways, but the Bene Gesserit chose the scorched earth policy on a stable government, House Atreides.

As far as "a Messiah under their control", you said "any Messiah under the control of mortal agencies isn't much of a Messiah." While I agree with your Sentiment, the Bene Gesserit did not. Paul Atreides children were considered abominations, not because they had the gift of vision, but because the Bene Gesserit had no control over them.

Just so you are aware, When I did read Dune, Most of the time I was thinking "I bet Niccolo Machiavelli is actually shocked by you people", and I have a very negative opinion of almost every character (and agency) in the story. It's only saving grace IMHO is that the series can best be summarized as "If you sow the wind, you will reap the whirlwind".

On a side note, in my opinion, Frank Herbert's best work was a book called "White Plague". That book kept me awake at night.
Gilrandir 9th Jul 2016, 2:12 AM edit delete reply
The problem with writing for characters that can see the future is that the authors rarely explain everything. You say that there were alternatives involving less bloodshed available to conserve the bloodlines, but we have it as canon from Reverend Mother Mohaim herself that there were not. 'For the father, nothing. It is possible the son might be saved.' (Or words to that effect. I'm too lazy to look up the exact quote.)

Now you can allege that Herbert is lying to us, or that he doesn't know how his own universe works, or that the Bene Gesserit were wrong in their predictions, but it is obvious that they didn't believe there were any superior alternatives. Of course, the Bene Gesserit are portrayed as quite arrogant and not infallible, but for what (canon) reason do you assert that the bloodshed could so easily have been avoided? Do you have access to Spice? ^_^

"Abomination" was a label used for Paul's sister, but not (as I recall) for Paul, so I don't think lack of control was the defining characteristic. Once Paul assumed control of the Landsraad, I believe he had BG's for and against and there were schisms and politics and stuff. Once that happens, the hate labels fly far and fast. But it becomes much less about the philosophy or religion at that point, and more about demonizing your opposition.

I understand your perspective, but I came away with a different understanding than you did of what the core BG principles and goals were. (Though, of course, the picture becomes even more complicated when you add in corrupt, ambitious, and unprincipled members of an Order, rather than exclusively examples of the pure ideals.)
DLKmusic 9th Jul 2016, 9:41 AM edit delete reply
Again, and I need to stress this, it has been over 30 years since I read the series, so I may have some details wrong. but IIRC, when Mother Mohaim said this, The Harkonnen fleet was already on it's way, and the current set of events were in far to advanced a stage to be able to shift gears.

I don't think that bloodshed could have been avoided, but I do think it could have been lessened considerably if the Harkonnen dynasty had been considered as expendable as the Atreides bloodline.

and yes, as a matter of fact, I do have access to spice, one of my favorites is a combination of cinnamon with chili powder. (jk)

I had forgotten about Pauls sister though. Like I said, 30 years...

We can continue to disagree on the Bene Gesserit, but your point is well taken that your comparison of Rose to the BG is not a negative one.
Gilrandir 9th Jul 2016, 10:00 AM edit delete reply
Well, not _completely_ negative ... ^_^

To bring this back around to DataChasers, Rose's demonstrated primary interest is in artificial persons and personalities. We've heard from @Tokyo Rose that her concern is Humanity, but she seems (to me) to be at her most involved and compassionate when she is dealing with Humans made of metal, not of meat. And CeCi is a brand new individual of that type. And it has been observed (by more than just the Bene Gesserit) that who an individual really is is more truly revealed in moments of stress and crisis than during times of rest and leisure. As John Whorfin said "History is made at night! Character is what you are in the dark."

So, I don't find it implausible at all that Rose might know several ways for CeCi to interfere with or abort the attack on Aeneas, but initially say nothing just to see what CeCi will do and start gaining information about exactly who she is. Then, if it looks like things are truly getting out of hand, or CeCi is about to commit an irreversible mistake, she might step in with some advice or intervention to nudge the situation to a more favorable outcome. Of course, to an extent, this would probably depend on her perceived level of risk in the situation and how time critical matters are. I don't think she'd intend for any inaction on her part to significantly increase the overall risk to Aeneas -- but not every situation demands a total response RIGHT NOW. It is, admittedly a bit less comfortable for CeCi, and might be regarded as superficially a bit harsh, cold, or manipulative ... well, you get my point. ^_^
DLKmusic 9th Jul 2016, 11:45 PM edit delete reply

Valid point, Gil! I actually saw it as Rose allowing CeCi to make her own choice in the matter before reacting, and basing her reaction to CeCi's choice. Cold Blooded? Maybe. Intelligent? Absolutely.
highlander55 8th Jul 2016, 8:49 AM edit delete reply

Bene Gesserit was trying to manipulate genes from all the different Houses to create the Quizat Sadarak for control of the Landstaad.
Tokyo Rose 8th Jul 2016, 3:39 PM edit delete reply

"Kwisatz Haderach". spelling nerd awayyyy
DLKmusic 8th Jul 2016, 3:59 PM edit delete reply

Spelling error corrected, oh Keeper of the Holy Websters!
Don B. 9th Jul 2016, 5:56 PM edit delete reply
DLKmusic...Strangely enough, I was thinking about "The White Plague" only a few days ago. Could NOT for the life of me remember who wrote it so thank you. And yeah, kept me up for a bit too. Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of modern sci-fi but really I'm even fonder of of the old school stuff like Ringworld, Footfall and even Hammer's Slammers though that series is grim as hell. Mind you, the list is a lot longer than that as it goes back about 43 years but I'm sure you know what I mean.
DLKmusic 9th Jul 2016, 11:10 PM edit delete reply

Right you are, Don B! Ringworld and Footfall are two stories that are required reading for any respectable Sci-Fi Fan! I've read some of Hammers Slammers, but truth be told as well written as it was, it just never appealed to me.

One of my favorite post apocalyptic stories is called "Earth Abides" which was written in 1949 by George R. Stewart. Most people don't have a clue who he was, but if you are interested in well written "Old School" sci-fi, that book is highly recommended!

One of the characteristics I look for in a story isn't so much the techno aspect or the cool (or uncool) events that surround the story, as it is the psychology of how the people in the story react to those events. That's why I'm such a huge Datachasers fan!!!

(Yes, Rose, I did place you and Cent in the same company as the masters... here's a paper bag if you need to breathe into it!)
Don B. 9th Jul 2016, 11:58 PM edit delete reply
I'm very much into characterization like you. I'm also very much into authors who put a lot of thought and research into what the consequences of technology on the lives and societies of those people would be. Anti-agathic drugs and immortality in "Cities in Flight" by James Blish, uterine replicators and reproduction as envisioned by Lois MacMaster-Bujold and suchlike. It's the little stories off to the side about how the characters deal with these consequences that can make or break a story for me. It may or may not be central to the storyline but I find essential both to the world building and characterizations. As an aside, I'll add that moments like an android trying to get a robot to help her practice Shakespeare definitely help.
DLKmusic 10th Jul 2016, 9:19 AM edit delete reply
Cities in flight was nothing short of AWESOME!!!

"Mow your Lawn, Lady?"
Timotheus 10th Jul 2016, 1:17 AM edit delete reply

I had a old favorite titled. "Omaha Abides" in which one of the characters is essentially a Norad AI. It's one of the books I lost.
Sheela 10th Jul 2016, 8:29 AM edit delete reply

Curiously, we don't have a lot of information on what Tokyo Rose actually does (in comic), for all we know, she runs a strip of hyper-mall-brothels to encourage fleshy humans to procreate!

And we also don't have any knowledge about wether or not sex is of interest to her - she is after all a meat popsicle, she just might find it very interesting, and her long term goal could be to own ALL THE PORN in the world !
DLKmusic 10th Jul 2016, 9:18 AM edit delete reply
I've never read that one, but it sounds interesting! I'll have to find it!
DLKmusic 10th Jul 2016, 9:57 AM edit delete reply
@Timotheus: Sorry, "Omaha Abides" I've never read, but based on your description sounds like a story I would really like...

From past conversions, I think we have similar tastes in books!
Mark_L_A 10th Jul 2016, 1:31 PM edit delete reply

You forget Lucifer's Hammer DLK. Another Must Read.
DLKmusic 10th Jul 2016, 2:24 PM edit delete reply
You are right, Mark_L_A. That one is also on the list, as well as several others (slaughterhouse 5, Fahrenheit 451, Rendevous with Rama, Brave New World, 1984... the list gets pretty damned long, actually)...
Gilrandir 10th Jul 2016, 2:38 PM edit delete reply
Just to throw another book or two on the fire (so to speak): Lord of Light and The Fionavar Tapestry (a trilogy).

Warning: The Fionavar Tapestry can get a little heavy sledding in places, but it contains some incredibly powerful scenes. (At least, in my opinion.) Like a lot of the really powerful epics, some people may find it starts a bit slowly for their taste.
DLKmusic 10th Jul 2016, 2:45 PM edit delete reply
Another series I haven't read, Gilrandir!

Must... resist... bookstore... urge... must... resist...

Gilrandir 10th Jul 2016, 3:01 PM edit delete reply
I make this prediction, @DLKMusic -- though we are far apart in some of our reading tastes. (For example, Dune.)

If you seek it out, and read it, you will curse me. You will weep. You will stop at least once, then be drawn helplessly back to it. You will cheer (silently or loudly, according to your character). And when it is done, you will thank me ... then curse me again ... then go back and re-read it. Also, to save your purse, you can probably find it at your local library. If you do, you will end up buying it.

Please let me know how accurately or inaccurately my prediction works out. ^_^
Guest 10th Jul 2016, 3:16 PM edit delete reply
LOL, Gilrandir!!! I will probably buy it, and read it, and get sucked into it, and if it's anything like Dune at all... I will consider it a "literary 20 car pile up!" I'm horrified, but I can't look away!

and I never said I didn't enjoy Dune... I said I had a very negative opinion of the characters in it.
Gilrandir 10th Jul 2016, 3:18 PM edit delete reply
It is nothing like Dune, save that they are both epics.
DLKmusic 10th Jul 2016, 3:24 PM edit delete reply
grumblegrumble. stupid work computer can't log into comicfury here grumblegrumble

just so there's no mistake, that was me, lol
Tokyo Rose 10th Jul 2016, 3:58 PM edit delete reply

Nice recommendations, Gilrandir. :D Lord of Light is one of my favorite Zelazny books. It can be a little confusing on a first run-through, as it switches between past and present events, but it's a lot of fun. Fionavar Tapestry is, like everything that Guy Gavriel Kay does, densely detailed and well-wrought; he's an incredibly expressive writer.
Gilrandir 10th Jul 2016, 5:18 PM edit delete reply
Thank you. Always nice to hear that someone else has enjoyed what I enjoyed. Most of Kay's work is beautiful, but as someone (Mark_L_A?) observed about Steakley's Armor, Fionavar is powerful. Or at least I found it so. Not saying I agreed with everything in it, but ... powerful stuff.
Mark_L_A 10th Jul 2016, 7:41 PM edit delete reply

Steakley's Armor was what helped me get through high school without hurting myself.

Felix's engine helped me to compartmentalize all the bad things I was going through. to shut them away from "Me" so I could put up with the abuse of my class mates. If what happened to me then happened in today's society, they all would have been facing prison and I would have been in therapy.
Sheela 11th Jul 2016, 6:45 AM edit delete reply

"Path of the Fury" (aka. "In fury Born") by David Weber.
"Apocalypse Troll" also by David Weber.
"A March to the Stars" by David Weber and John Ringo.
"BOLO!" also by David Weber.
Gilrandir 11th Jul 2016, 8:30 AM edit delete reply
Weber's fine, but anyone recommending stories of the Dinochrome Brigade should (IMHO) start with Laumer. ^_^
Sheela 11th Jul 2016, 11:17 AM edit delete reply

True, I just went with some of the books from David Weber that I like.

Though I did briefly mention John Ringo, who was responsible for the Posleen War books, which are pretty epic too.
Don B. 11th Jul 2016, 10:04 PM edit delete reply
David Weber, through his various collaborative efforts, introduced me to some very good authors of which John Ringo is my favorite. Weber seems to be one of those "OMG, so much information" types of writers while Ringo has a tighter writing style. What they have in common is the ability to write characters that are interesting, relatable and in some cases rather odd. Problem is between the two...oh, so very many books and neither one is showing any sign of slowing down.
Haegan2005 7th Jul 2016, 9:19 PM edit delete reply

Glad you're feeling better and the prognosis is looking up!

Now you just need to take care of yourself and avoid another one!
Timotheus 7th Jul 2016, 9:28 PM edit delete reply

You may not be able to stop a program decompression, but you can reroute where the packets are going.
I'm sure his lowness's surveillance files of his sister's shower stall could be over written.
HiFranc 7th Jul 2016, 11:02 PM edit delete reply

Or the palace computers? Imagine if Centcomm 2 ( I think that's what the spike contains) came into contact with the blue shells? Her outrage should serve the community.
The Old Scribe 7th Jul 2016, 9:29 PM edit delete reply

Glad to hear you're back on your feet, Terri. Stay calm, take your meds, mellow out and let the medics work their magic.

Poor CeCi, a pawn in a cyber chess game. I'm afraid she's gonna take one for the team in saving Aeneas, which sucks big time. I liked her a lot.
Centcomm 8th Jul 2016, 10:51 AM edit delete reply

yep im taking my meds like a good girl :D
Sheela 10th Jul 2016, 8:31 AM edit delete reply

Suppositories ?
mjkj 7th Jul 2016, 9:46 PM edit delete reply

Wow, great... O_O

I really like how that star looks like an eye for the mask...

...go, CeCi!!! Save Aeneas!!!


I am glad to hear you are feeling better at the moment - I hope your meds work... *hugs Cent* best wishes...


@alt text: so true...

Stormwind13 8th Jul 2016, 3:04 AM edit delete reply

Agreed mjkj. That first panel is GORGEOUS. The glowing star eye is awesome and of course CeCi looks wonderful.

I wish CentComm would make that panel into a wallpaper!

Thank you for your hard work, CentComm. Continue to recover, and take care. ::HUGS::
Centcomm 8th Jul 2016, 10:50 AM edit delete reply

it will be offered as a wallpaper - i just need to figure out where i put the original now.. AUGH!
mjkj 8th Jul 2016, 10:19 PM edit delete reply

Great =)

That last panel would be great also... =D
Stormwind13 9th Jul 2016, 10:57 AM edit delete reply

CentComm has really outdone herself in the last few few pages, hasn't she mjkj? I think they are some of her best works, and that is saying a LOT considering all the beautiful images she has produced. :-)
mjkj 10th Jul 2016, 8:18 AM edit delete reply

Indeed, so true...
DLKmusic 7th Jul 2016, 9:46 PM edit delete reply

That's good news, Terri! Don't overdo yourself, and try and stay relaxed until then! Our prayers, thoughts, and best wishes won't go away!!!!



dakyrii 7th Jul 2016, 10:18 PM edit delete reply
Thanks for all the great work. Take care and get well soon
HiFranc 7th Jul 2016, 10:47 PM edit delete reply

Re-reading the error message, I wonder if Rose rewrote Watchdog to help Ceci. "Unable to stop" sounds that way.
Kain 7th Jul 2016, 11:27 PM edit delete reply
Cent & Rose,

Holy crap! I just started reading Datachasers last week. It started as something to pass the time, but you have written such a compelling story. I have become attached to more characters in your one comic than to any of the 28 I currently track and read. Thank you for everything you have done, and best of luck with your health issues! I look forward to reading what's next!
Tokyo Rose 8th Jul 2016, 12:57 AM edit delete reply

Why, thank you. :)
Kain 10th Jul 2016, 6:13 PM edit delete reply
No Rose, thank you for your hard work and dedication.
Steven-Vincent 8th Jul 2016, 4:16 AM edit delete reply

Yeah Data Chasers is addictive.
chk 8th Jul 2016, 8:55 AM edit delete reply

That it is.
CptKerion 8th Jul 2016, 10:09 AM edit delete reply
It's also the only comic where I bother to read the comments every day.
Centcomm 8th Jul 2016, 10:49 AM edit delete reply

Thank you kain! I really appreciate it!
Sheela 10th Jul 2016, 8:33 AM edit delete reply

Beware of the comment section though, it can be full of walls made of text !
DLKmusic 10th Jul 2016, 12:15 PM edit delete reply
Sheela? Are you implying that we are a bunch of opinionated fans that love to hear ourselves talk????? (grin)
Sheela 10th Jul 2016, 12:25 PM edit delete reply

We juat might ! :D
Mark_L_A 10th Jul 2016, 1:35 PM edit delete reply

I thought she was referring to how we read the day's update, parse, compare, and cogitate how it relates to the ongoing story, and intelligently discuss the days update AND the rest of the story. Often in exacting detail, bringing up real actual ancient history and technology at times. :)
Gilrandir 10th Jul 2016, 1:44 PM edit delete reply
Is a wall of text constructed and then defended by the Write Guard?

"Valar scriptis" ("All men write.")

"Valar contestis" ("All men argue")

(Some ladies might have it that only those men con testes contestis, but don't you believe it. ^_^)
Kain 10th Jul 2016, 6:14 PM edit delete reply
Cent,

As I said to Rose above, no. Thank you for your hard work and dedication to Datachasers and to the fanbase.
Greenwood Goat 8th Jul 2016, 5:10 AM edit delete reply
Glad to hear that the acute situation is settled and that the cardiologists will get things sorted out. And they will surely get things sorted out. Indeed, I can think of a classic film that illustrates the need for them to get things sorted out correctly... it's called The Abominable Dr. Phibes. >:=)>

Now, I hear that laughter is the best medicine, so I'll be doing what I can... I think we're going to have to get advice on safe doses, though...

Cardiologist: No, Ms. Cent, I must advise against reading the comments for today's page... in your current condition, I estimate at least a 50% chance of a hilarity-induced coronary. And... the Goat was just joking about the Doctor Phibes thing, wasn't he? Wasn't he?? :-(

Mmm hmmm. Of course I was. Now... where is the nearest working theatre organ? I feel I ought to practice a rendition of War March of the Priests, just in case...

>;=)>
CptKerion 8th Jul 2016, 10:12 AM edit delete reply
Like this one?
Greenwood Goat 8th Jul 2016, 4:08 PM edit delete reply
More like this one. >:=)>

Come to that, I wonder if I could rope any of the androids into Dr. Goat's Cybernetic Wizards. Anyone? You can pick your own instrument, I'm not fussy-

Vinnie: THIS UNIT WILL HAVE A GO. THIS UNIT WILL PERFORM WITH THIS UNIT'S BUILT-IN SYNTHESISER, VERBAL COMMUNICATION AND AUDIBLE WARNINGS, FOR THE PURPOSE OF. THIS UNIT WILL PERFORM A CLASSIC SONG ABOUT HARMONIOUS USE OF WELL-DESIGNED ROAD LOGISTICS NETWORK. *AHEM* ♪AU-TO-BAHN!♪ ... ♫AU-TO-BAHN!♫ ♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪...

>:=)>
Mark 8th Jul 2016, 7:19 AM edit delete reply
Beloved Cent, the cliffhangers belong in the *story*! I'm glad you're still with us. They told us in my advanced first aid course that heart attacks are often (or usually?) the first sign of heart disease. So I'm very glad you're on this side of the daisies. The medical scare can be unnerving. Cent, your new priority is Take Care of Terri.

"I made my save!" ...Oh, what a terrible wit you are. Love it! :-) Glad your sense of humor is still online.
Centcomm 8th Jul 2016, 10:48 AM edit delete reply

Thanks mark i tried to be upbeat and witty glad to know it worked :D
sigpig 8th Jul 2016, 9:00 AM edit delete reply

"I made my save!" - Terri, you rolled a natural 20...
Centcomm 8th Jul 2016, 10:48 AM edit delete reply

yeah i did in this case.
Stormwind13 8th Jul 2016, 11:02 AM edit delete reply

And boy are we glad you did, Terri!!!
Gilrandir 8th Jul 2016, 10:14 AM edit delete reply
By the way ... I ordinarily wouldn't comment on this, presuming the community at large here to have already gotten 'it', but I really do like the way "Error Correction" works on so many different levels in this piece:

* - Rose has "corrected" the error that led to the deletion of CeCi's personality
* - CeCi is trying to correct her error in having been part of the attack on Aeneas
* - Watchdog is trying to "correct" the error of a flawed spike deployment and finish the mission
* - This is all about trying to fix Aeneas

Did I miss any? ^_^
Centcomm 8th Jul 2016, 10:48 AM edit delete reply

I dont think so :D
Gilrandir 8th Jul 2016, 12:30 PM edit delete reply
Of course, on a completely different level, CentComm is attempting to penetrate Aeneas and give birth to a new A.I.S., but is being blocked by a New Trojan. ^_^
HiFranc 9th Jul 2016, 11:49 AM edit delete reply

Must not snigger.
Sheela 10th Jul 2016, 9:31 AM edit delete reply

Much penetration occur! :D
Tokyo Rose 10th Jul 2016, 4:01 PM edit delete reply

I love it when y'all dig into the meaning of the page titles, especially the ones I made. Sometimes I just put 'em out there quick because I need to get the page uploaded, and don't put a lot of thought into them; other times, they're more carefully chosen.
Gilrandir 10th Jul 2016, 5:19 PM edit delete reply
I'm guessing this one was more carefully chosen. ^_^
Matt Knab 8th Jul 2016, 12:41 PM edit delete reply

Beautiful!
T1-G3R2501 8th Jul 2016, 12:46 PM edit delete reply
So going with the flavor text with this page is there a place where one (Who is totally a CeCei fan-tiger [Shut up!])can acquire the mentioned background?
Centcomm 8th Jul 2016, 6:41 PM edit delete reply

Hopefully it will be on TWC soon..
Sheela 10th Jul 2016, 9:34 AM edit delete reply

Not only is the first panel wall paper material, it's also pretty stripperriffic.

In a good way. XD
Mark_L_A 10th Jul 2016, 7:46 PM edit delete reply

It is now my computer Desktop background
KarToon12 8th Jul 2016, 5:52 PM edit delete reply

I hope Ceci lives. We need some good news after all this.

I also like that shot of the mask. The star makes it look like it has an eye.
Stormwind13 8th Jul 2016, 6:27 PM edit delete reply

=O You guys need to get out HELL, I mean Phoenix, Rose and CentComm. It seems to be trying to harm both of you!
Morituri 8th Jul 2016, 10:44 PM edit delete reply
Pheonix and Hell are about 5200 miles apart, though. It's not exactly a local call.

But you can get roaming service there free on most major carriers. :-)
Sheela 10th Jul 2016, 9:32 AM edit delete reply

We once used to have hell here in Scandinavia, then it got chased away, because it was competition for the vikings!
mjkj 8th Jul 2016, 10:41 PM edit delete reply

Thank you for the great new vote incentive, Cent... <3 ♡♡♡ <3 *hugs*
DLKmusic 9th Jul 2016, 10:33 AM edit delete reply
Glad to hear that your issue was easily taken care of Rose! Hope you feel better, and just like Cent, My prayers go with you!
HiFranc 9th Jul 2016, 11:52 AM edit delete reply

I hope that you recover soon, Rose.
Dragonrider 9th Jul 2016, 12:22 PM edit delete reply

Please,Please don't make that a good bye shot of Ceci. WOW just WOW.
Don B. 9th Jul 2016, 6:16 PM edit delete reply
CentComm, Rose...I'm glad to hear you are both doing better and my prayers go to the speedy recovery of you both. I know I've praised your work often enough in the past but I don't remember if I've ever mentioned that I'm as much a fan of this comments section. Intelligent, insightful and above all coherent creator commentary is rare enough on the internet these days in my opinion. Seeing the same thing from the fans even rarer. I've only recently begun catching up on the comments and am very pleased to see that things haven't changed in that regard. It speaks well of you both as creators as well as everyone else as fans. Kudos to you all.
Romfire 9th Jul 2016, 10:15 PM edit delete reply
One more vote, please save Ceci.
Stormwind13 10th Jul 2016, 11:21 AM edit delete reply

Sadly, votes don't really count now. CentComm said she has already uploaded the end of this arc. It is just waiting in queue to be presented. So the votes have already been cast. Now we have to hang on and hope that she likes CeCi too. =O
Wolfsbane 10th Jul 2016, 1:49 PM edit delete reply

Hard to believe the end of the arc is that close. It's been going on for how many years? I can't imagine what the next story is, or how long that one will take. Whatever it is, it'll be good.
Centcomm 10th Jul 2016, 6:21 PM edit delete reply

We do like Ceci. trust me.
plymayer 10th Jul 2016, 10:36 PM edit delete reply

Nice belly tat.
plymayer 10th Jul 2016, 10:38 PM edit delete reply

@ Tokyo Rose,

Hope things are better now. That sounds like scary stuff.
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