Comic 1441 - Clarification

24th Jan 2017, 9:00 PM
Clarification
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Visvires 24th Jan 2017, 9:01 PM edit delete reply
Well, it was fun to fantasize about.
Dragonrider 24th Jan 2017, 9:05 PM edit delete reply

I though Nox was as scary looking as a Cassion got however, Tennyo has taken creepy to an entire new level with the solid green eyes lipstick. I'm sure this has been ask before but I don't recall the answer, how are the Cassian names chosen.
Also a bit disappointed that she chose such a mundane method o disarming the Bluebelles.
Stormwind13 24th Jan 2017, 9:10 PM edit delete reply

I don't find her creepy at all, Dragonrider. :-)

Having said that, I definitely do NOT want to get on Tennyo's bad side.
DLKmusic 26th Jan 2017, 4:47 AM edit delete reply

I gotta agree with dragonrider on this one. She's beautiful and exotic when her eyes are closed and the lipstick doesn't bother me, but then when she opens them and it's that solid green, it's.... disconcerting.

But then again, she's a Cassian, not a plushie, so I suppose that's by design.
Tokyo Rose 24th Jan 2017, 10:06 PM edit delete reply

Cent was on a "night" kick for some of them (which was funny, because I named Noctis without knowing about that), while I tend to roll with "pretty" names in contrast to the utterly scary nature of the Cassians. "Malati" means "jasmine" in Sanskrit, tennyo are female angel-like beings...
Dragonrider 25th Jan 2017, 3:40 AM edit delete reply

Very apropos to Tennyo, The Angel of Death.
megados 25th Jan 2017, 5:49 AM edit delete reply

That's good to know! Thanks!
megados 25th Jan 2017, 10:15 AM edit delete reply

Also, I do really like Tennyo.
jamie59 24th Jan 2017, 9:11 PM edit delete reply

Why do I think she's another Rose plant?
Stormwind13 24th Jan 2017, 9:23 PM edit delete reply

Interesting thought, jamie. I'm not sure I see it, but... it is an interesting thought. :-)
cattservant 24th Jan 2017, 9:24 PM edit delete reply

Thorny and green?
Tokyo Rose 24th Jan 2017, 10:07 PM edit delete reply

Nope. She's a purely Roma build, though she's been retrofitted with highly sophisticated comm gear courtesy of trade with Shinedo.
sigpig 25th Jan 2017, 4:31 AM edit delete reply

And why do I get the sneaky feeling that some of that gear might have certain...other...devices/properties that report back to Shinedo?

ps: As I was voting on TWC, the "human recognition" avatar was Gallina. I miss her...
megados 25th Jan 2017, 6:52 AM edit delete reply

I had gotten Galina too the other day, and had the same reaction.
Combat Medic Z 25th Jan 2017, 11:05 PM edit delete reply

Ah yes, Galina... I still vote for Luna Star every day (for Datachasers too of course). I think I may have to reread it one of these days.
MikeLinPA 25th Jan 2017, 10:04 AM edit delete reply
@Jamie59, I wondered the same thing as well as some other things because she reminds me of rose. Asian with solid red eyes, Asian with solid green eyes. The similarity is enough to put one in that train of thought.

Of course, since one never knows what Rose is or isn't up to, just assume she has her finger in everything and go from there.
jamie59 25th Jan 2017, 7:04 PM edit delete reply

Go see Comic 1350 - Rose's Reveal. Rose terms herself a "meat popsicle".
MikeLinPA 26th Jan 2017, 6:56 AM edit delete reply
Multipass!
Gilrandir 24th Jan 2017, 9:28 PM edit delete reply
Is something weird going on with Tennyo's left sleeve and arm, or is it just me? In the third panel, her right sleeve appears green trimmed with gold, but the left sleeve looks (from what little we can see) to be all gold. Then, in panels 5 & 6, the sleeves appear to match once more; however, in panel 6, the left bracer looks to be all gold, rather than matching the right bracer. Either that, or my eyes have truly begun to deceive me.
Tokyo Rose 24th Jan 2017, 10:11 PM edit delete reply

In panel 3, what you think is her sleeve is part of the crest on the helm.

Her outfit's using the green set from this texture pack. You can see in the second promo pic that the wrist bands are gold with a lacy green overlay; amusingly enough, in the fifth promo pic, the angle of the lighting is such that it gives the same effect shown in that sixth panel, where it's shiny enough to "drown out" the green overlay.
Gilrandir 25th Jan 2017, 12:21 AM edit delete reply
Ah! Thank you.
Combat Medic Z 25th Jan 2017, 11:03 PM edit delete reply

It's a very nice outfit!
Stormwind13 26th Jan 2017, 5:03 PM edit delete reply

Complements the body wearing it quite well, Z. :-)
Gilrandir 24th Jan 2017, 9:32 PM edit delete reply
This exchange between Noctis and Tennyo was unexpected for me. These are not the sort of questions I'd expect Noctis to be asking of her hand-picked candidate to fill in while she's gone. I wonder if the Cassian ranks are thinner than they actually want anyone to know?

If this was necessary exposition, I'd have expected the question to come from Maxus, not Noctis.
Tokyo Rose 24th Jan 2017, 10:13 PM edit delete reply

I'm not sure which part of the exchange you're talking about.
Gilrandir 25th Jan 2017, 12:45 AM edit delete reply
These are your characters and your story -- I am not trying to say anything you have done is 'wrong', just providing my personal opinion as feedback.

My understanding is that, in general, when selecting a surrogate, delegate, or lieutenant to fill in for a time -- unless unusual circumstances apply -- the goal is to pick someone who will continue existing policies and practices and generally make decisions and responses as would the person for whom they are filling in. Since Tennyo was Noctis' choice, I expected that Noctis thought Tennyo would act more-or-less as Noctis would while acting in Noctis place. (Whether that's true or not is actually a different question, but if Noctis didn't think it, she presumably would have named someone else -- unless no one better was available.)

We have seen that Noctis was punctilious about not executing Praetorians who did not first commit some overt form of treason or rebellion and was willing to accept surrender; so, I would think that she would expect Tennyo to do the same and not try to finesse in a little 'extra carnage' on the side. Asking Tennyo exactly what she meant by 'disarm' seems to imply doubts about what, for Noctis, ought to be a known quantity.

Maxus, on the other hand, may not be as familiar with each individual Cassian, and could therefore be expected to want to make sure that troops (no matter how odious they may be) which are once again his responsibility were treated appropriately, rather than being victimized by an excess of bubbly enthusiasm. So, having Noctis ask Tennyo what she meant by 'disarm' was a little unexpected for me.

Hope that clarifies matters. ^_^
Just_IDD 25th Jan 2017, 1:32 AM edit delete reply
I think that Tenyo may be a tad more literal than Noctis. Remember that Noctis got dec to give her very open to interpretation instructions. These questions are for Maxus' benefit. They are letting him know to be extremely cautious about his instructions.

My guess is that with the other Cassian losses, Tenyo is much closer to the top of the Cassian ranks than she was before. Remember also that they are assuming that Hrist is deactivated. that's at least 3 down from the chain of command and I was maybe under the mistaken impression that Cassians numbered less than 10, but exact number to be unknown to the general population.

The old chain of command was probably:
Kali(deceased)
Noctis (acting lead)
Hrist (MIA)
The one who was killed by Dolly (deceased)
Malti (deceased)
Tenyo

Also remember that Douchimus was told they all excel at different tasks. So between 10-15 Original Cassians they are effectively at 50% or 66% of staff efficiency. having just survived a layoff of that size I can say I almost wish I had been in the other 50%.

Gilrandir 25th Jan 2017, 1:43 AM edit delete reply
The one killed by Dolly was "Nox". I would have put Malati above Hrist in the pecking order, but that's just my unsubstantiated impression. (I would have put practically all of them above Hrist -- even ones we haven't seen yet. Hrist, to me, seemed very much a 'blunt instrument'.)

It's possible Noctis was asking for Maxus' benefit, but I didn't get that.
Just_IDD 25th Jan 2017, 6:31 AM edit delete reply
Ahh, Nox, thanks. Hrist was less suited for the stealthily missions. Also her choice to attack Maxus as an honorable foe as opposed to some other means which reduced his chances. That flexabily of interpretation is why I put her above Malti.
Tokyo Rose 25th Jan 2017, 6:02 AM edit delete reply

Hrist is one of the newest Cassians; she's at the bottom of the pecking order. Tennyo's one of the older ones. And there are considerably more than ten Cassians...
Tokyo Rose 25th Jan 2017, 6:09 AM edit delete reply

Tennyo doesn't normally engage in combat. It's not her role. She's the communications and cryptology expert. Since she's been "in the field" maybe twice before, Noctis asked what she meant by "disarm" because she wasn't quite certain how literal the statement might have been, or how enthusiastic Tennyo might have gotten about combat. (Tennyo actually has quite a sense of humor, so Noctis is aware that she might make a play on words.)
Gilrandir 26th Jan 2017, 12:07 PM edit delete reply
Well, we have seen that she enjoys playing head-games with people. ^_^
TheSkulker 26th Jan 2017, 2:03 AM edit delete reply

Gilrandir, I think that instead of being construed as a criticism your astute observation is actually a supreme testament to the amazing skills of our authors. They have created a world with characters so realistic, so complex, so diverse and deep that you are examining their psychological motivation and the hidden messages of their interactions - examining not just the character's mental state but the nuances of the political and cultural implications of the DC universe as well. The authors have taken such pains to create a realistic, self-consistent world that you apply real life rules, protocols and conventions to their fictional one. Think about what that implies! Your musings of the DC universe and characters is indistinguishable from similar musings and speculations of real life interaction among politicians, diplomats, adversarial meetings, etc.

It is very easy for me (as well for most of us readers, I am sure), to suspend disbelief and forget that this is fiction and not in depth real life reporting by very skilled journalists. These are not cardboard characters but "people" that we have become emotionally attached to. Even the single strip walk on bit players have depth. For example, the unnamed runner in Comic 1449 - Promotion, evoked a lot of speculation on her back story and future prospects. I find that extremely telling. This is story telling and webcomicing at its finest. I can't think of a single webcomic/graphic novel that is even in the same ball park.

This opus should be winning awards up the wazoo! Why is it not?
Gilrandir 26th Jan 2017, 12:09 PM edit delete reply
@TheSkulker, I am full of praise for the creatrices and their fine webcomic. I just know how easy it is for any sort of commentary to be misconstrued on the InterNet, so I want to be careful. In particular, since my personal sense of humor is a bit crude and clumsy, I want to be doubly cautious not to give unintentional offense or (even more horrific) inspire any kind of resentment or the dreaded "Centipede's Dilemma". I am content that they indulge me by allowing me my comments and happy if my comments prove useful or amusing. (I, also, enjoy playing games with language and messing with people's heads, so Noctis, Tennyo and myself have somewhat in common there. They, on the other hand, are much more physically attractive and dangerous than I. ^_^)

However, I completely agree with you that one of the very enjoyable qualities of this webcomic is the nature and the depth of the concepts that are raised and the way it rewards (in my opinion) an analysis of the issues in play. Things like "Why is it wrong to build slaves, but okay to build smart weapons? Or is it?" ^_^ (Just to pick one of the many available examples.)
Marcus Ramesy 26th Jan 2017, 1:48 PM edit delete reply

I find your comments more in line as "devils advocate" it helps prompt and inspire dialog, which is a compliment coming from myself..
Gilrandir 26th Jan 2017, 2:20 PM edit delete reply
And I shall take it as such, since that is very much the spirit in which they are intended. <smile>
Sheela 26th Jan 2017, 6:57 PM edit delete reply

Dammit, who let my lawyer out ?

Back in the cage you go!!
megados 26th Jan 2017, 7:28 PM edit delete reply

I can enjoy a good discussion; as I put down my own ideas, it helps refine them in my own mind, as well as getting others' thoughts. I have to filter and refine more, though. This is a very good tale, in depth characters, stunning art, and very relatable. Character development lends to getting to know, and care about them. Is that not what good storytelling is all about? ;)
TheSkulker 26th Jan 2017, 7:33 PM edit delete reply

@Gilrandir, anyone who has been following these comments and your erudite and thought-provoking posts for any length of time knows that you have nothing but praise for our authors. unfortunately for me, you have much better skills at expressing your ideas than me. I was partly trying allay any doubts or reservations you might have about interpreting your post but mostly to play off of your words in expressing how rich and amazing the DC world, its population, the societal and cultural concepts (and their consequences), is and what it inspires. Likewise their insights into and understanding of human nature, unintended consequences of societal mores, and dedication to authenticity. IMNSHO, DC has the richness and depth in the same class as Shakespeare and Dostoyevsky. It should be the subject of college-level classes in literature - inspiring analysis, commentary, influence, emulation, etc. Volumes could be written on character development, world development, artistic technique, cultural and societal messages, the subtle phrasing, the nuanced poses and expressions - the list goes on and on.

I follow over 50 webcomics and not a single one comes close to the quality and richness of Datachasers. I sometimes wonder how many readers realize or appreciate the huge amount of effort, research and thought the authors put into their work - most of which is not obvious. For example, IIRC, they spent 2 DAYS just researching a name for one of the characters in order to be authentic and consistent with the DC universe. Not many authors would care enough about their work or audience to do that.

I appreciate your clarification of your original post and hope that I have somewhat clarified mine. Most of all, I appreciate having the DC world to observe and enjoy.
Gilrandir 26th Jan 2017, 7:57 PM edit delete reply
(He called me 'erudite'. <smile>)
Gilrandir 26th Jan 2017, 8:12 PM edit delete reply
For those serious about wanting Datachasers to win an award, the nomination season for the 2017 Hugo Awards (TM) is about to begin. To nominate, you must have been at least a supporting member of Mid-Americon II (the 2016 World Science Fiction convention) or be at least a supporting member of WorldCon 75 (the 2017 World Science Fiction convention, being held in Helsinki, Finland this year). Assuming it wins nomination, to vote for Datachasers you will need to be at least a supporting member of WorldCon 75.

I point this out because, among other things, now is the time various individuals, groups, and societies start publishing their Hugo recommendation websites through various social media. So, to raise awareness, if you have an opportunity to contribute to these sites or influence their content, you may want to make sure people know that the comic exists and is worth reviewing (and nominating).

Just FYI.
Marcus Ramesy 27th Jan 2017, 12:40 AM edit delete reply

the amount of research.. conversations.... roleplaying... more research... and inspiration that goes in to this is countless... and im just a supporting character
Tokyo Rose 27th Jan 2017, 3:46 AM edit delete reply

I'm over here hyperventilating quietly into a paper bag at the notion that someone's comparing this to Shakespeare and Doestoyevsky.
megados 28th Jan 2017, 6:59 AM edit delete reply

I hope that helps, but it doesn't change the fact that it's pretty damned good. I will say it again: Don't sell yourself short. Both you, and Cent have people on the edges of their seats. There's a lot to discuss, and a lot of depth.

If you need another bag, just holler. :)
Mark_L_A 24th Jan 2017, 9:42 PM edit delete reply

I like Tennyo. I wonder if she is single :)

ETA: And Tennyo like a Naginata. Me LIKEY!!
The Old Scribe 24th Jan 2017, 10:45 PM edit delete reply

IMO Tennyo's beautiful. Exotic with a definite Eurasian flair. Solid green eyes are very in this year, so I'm told. Speaking of, how much Earth history do the people of this era recall? Are there records of past civilizations? Of humanity's rise from primate ancestors? Of the different races that once populated the planet?
Tokyo Rose 25th Jan 2017, 6:13 AM edit delete reply

An odd question. The people of this era have access to all the information that we've got now, plus all the knowledge that fills in the gap between now and then. The advent of digital media storage and the existence of the Internet basically ensured that nothing could be permanently lost. There are plenty records of past civilizations and evolution from primate roots, and none of the different races have been lost at all, so...
Sheela 26th Jan 2017, 11:09 AM edit delete reply

Wait, they haven't even lost mosquitoes ?

DAMMIT !! >:(
Speedy Marsh 7th Apr 2017, 5:19 PM edit delete reply
The DC era probably knows a good bit more about the past than we do. Archaeology has probably advanced a great deal. There've also probably been more ancient civilizations found.

There's no telling what artifacts and ancient civilization were destroyed during the apocalypse, but like you said, most of the information would have been digitized, by then.

What I'm curious about is when did the Epiphytes visit Earth, previously? Could they have all the information that was lost when the Library of Alexandria was destroyed? Or, any of the other countless repositories of information that have been lost? What civilizations did they interact with, that disappeared before our era? How much did Galina learn about our past, from them?
mjkj 25th Jan 2017, 12:28 AM edit delete reply

Wow, she really has much enthusiasm...

@alt text: so true =)

Just_IDD 25th Jan 2017, 1:37 AM edit delete reply
Alt text not available on mobile.
Tokyo Rose 25th Jan 2017, 6:13 AM edit delete reply

"As Cassians go, Tennyo's downright bubbly, ain't she?"
mjkj 25th Jan 2017, 7:08 AM edit delete reply

...strange, my mobile does show it (after long "clicking" the image)...
Rashala 25th Jan 2017, 12:40 AM edit delete reply

Was just about to ask if she is single but okay. I am holding out for doc silver's assistant anyway now.
HiFranc 25th Jan 2017, 5:09 AM edit delete reply

I'm confused why she was chosen - bitterness to one's colleagues does not a good manager make.
Tokyo Rose 25th Jan 2017, 6:14 AM edit delete reply

Bitterness to one's colleagues? What?
Stormwind13 25th Jan 2017, 6:27 AM edit delete reply

I believe HiFranc was responding to Tennyo's comment on how the other Cassians see her (as a communications hub). I can see where he could get that interpretation; however, I didn't read it that way (this is where not being able to hear their tone bites you a little bit).

I read it as a proud statement of fact. Tennyo is kind of in the same situation as Dwight D. Eisenhower. Too damn good at one job to send off to combat. Eisenhower never held a combat command, but he was the right person to be in overall command. He was able to get disparate elements of the allied commands to work together (which sometimes was harder than fighting the Axis powers).
Tokyo Rose 25th Jan 2017, 9:26 AM edit delete reply

Oh! No, it's not bitterness at all. The other Cassians don't generally see her as a combatant, and with dozens of more combat-oriented (and violently protective) sisters around, it's rare for her to have an opportunity to prove herself competent outside of her usual role. She's very proud to have Noctis show approval (understated as it may be) of her martial ability.
DLKmusic 25th Jan 2017, 11:39 PM edit delete reply

Understated? For Noctis, that was a Ticker Tape parade!
megados 25th Jan 2017, 5:44 AM edit delete reply

Re: Alt text, yes. yes she is.

Thorough as always, Noctis, but don't you have a plane to catch? It's kinda important.
Morituri 25th Jan 2017, 11:01 AM edit delete reply
Yeah, I think holding up the show for what is essentially a social call rates at least a couple demerits - maybe even a reprimand in the after-action report.

Noctis: "Tennyo. You could have informed us of Adventus Albinus' decapitation through regular radio channels without substantial security risk. Instead you used at least a minute and a half of our time when we really needed all the minutes available."

Tennyo: "But you did tell me 'well done' at the time."

Noctis: "Well, it was well done. Can't fault the workmanship even a little bit."

Hrist: "I particularly liked the bit about undoing the chin strap to let the head fall out at exactly the right moment."

Tennyo: "You weren't even there."

Hrist: "No, but somebody posted it on youtube."

Tennyo: "Noctis?"

Noctis: "Why are you looking at me like that?"
megados 25th Jan 2017, 6:05 PM edit delete reply

It's always the stoic, serious ones. Noctis really is proud of Tennyo. :D
Sheela 26th Jan 2017, 11:13 AM edit delete reply

Meanwhile Tokyo Rose is enjoying the YouTube ad revenue. :D

Oh, and I think making it a "social call" is relevant, in the sense that Tennyo and Maxus will have to work well together to save the city from itself. So it's important to introduce the two persons to one another to ensure smooth operations.

And Noctis is nothing, if not a smooth operator! :D
megados 26th Jan 2017, 2:43 PM edit delete reply

Well it really has only been a few minutes, but it feels like an eternity to us corporeal beings. . . :)
Yeah, I guess Noctis knows what she's doing. I guess that's why I like her so much; she's got her shit together, among other things.
And it is a good way to introduce Tennyo. :D
chk 25th Jan 2017, 8:55 AM edit delete reply

I'll be damned.
Stormwind13 25th Jan 2017, 5:02 PM edit delete reply

Hanging around this bunch, chk, almost assuredly. :-D
chk 26th Jan 2017, 8:29 AM edit delete reply

heh
PriorKnowledge 25th Jan 2017, 11:39 AM edit delete reply
Is it necessary to read all the comments to understand the plot?
Centcomm 25th Jan 2017, 1:57 PM edit delete reply

No it isnt.
Stormwind13 25th Jan 2017, 2:35 PM edit delete reply

In fact, reading some of the comments might just confuse you (looking at Sheela). :-D [/whisper]She does it so that she can nibble on toes while the person is confused![/whisper] :-D
megados 25th Jan 2017, 6:09 PM edit delete reply

I guess that explains my shoe. . . ? :O
DLKmusic 25th Jan 2017, 11:42 PM edit delete reply

I do recommend reading the author's notes though. Sometimes they will give some key insight.
Sheela 26th Jan 2017, 11:14 AM edit delete reply

Shoe ?
What shoe ?

*tries to look innocent*
megados 26th Jan 2017, 2:52 PM edit delete reply

Oh, then I don't suppose you want this other one . . .
*heads toward trash can*
Sheela 26th Jan 2017, 6:58 PM edit delete reply

Nah, I'm good ... I found this interesting red helmet with a plume on top of it and lots of ketchup inside of it. :)
megados 26th Jan 2017, 7:39 PM edit delete reply

D-:
Combat Medic Z 25th Jan 2017, 10:00 PM edit delete reply

I like Tennyo. Yes, I like her a lot :)
Timotheus 26th Jan 2017, 3:32 AM edit delete reply

"We like our Tennyo, oh yes we do.
She is the Cassian who's green not blue."
(Well, at least it's PG)
megados 26th Jan 2017, 8:03 AM edit delete reply

As an aside, Tennyo looks to be quite a bit taller than Noctis, and maybe almost as tall as Maxus. Is that right, or am I misreading the camera angle?
Sheela 26th Jan 2017, 11:15 AM edit delete reply

AFAIK, Noctis isn't very tall.
megados 26th Jan 2017, 4:55 PM edit delete reply

Yeah, that seems to be it, thanks. :)
CptKerion 26th Jan 2017, 8:48 PM edit delete reply
I did a bit of comparing using the last page. Tennyo is substantially taller than Noctis, who happens to be quite short as I recall, however Maxus still towers over her.
Tokyo Rose 27th Jan 2017, 3:48 AM edit delete reply

Noctis is intended to look like a petite, pretty porcelain doll.

Mwahahaha.
megados 27th Jan 2017, 2:39 PM edit delete reply

Ha, working as intended, then! I only know that I wouldn't want to be in her way.
Thanks for the clarification. :)
Sheela 28th Jan 2017, 6:28 AM edit delete reply

I dunno man, I kinda want to hug Noctis and tell her it's ok to mourn Malati.
megados 28th Jan 2017, 6:49 AM edit delete reply

I hear you. I do too. I think she does in her own way, (mourn) but doesn't let it show. She would deem it 'inappropriate'. She has a lot of weight on her shoulders.
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