Comic 1443 - Bargaining

29th Jan 2017, 9:00 PM
Bargaining
Average Rating: 4.9 (21 votes)
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jamie59 29th Jan 2017, 9:09 PM edit delete reply

Dolly's been taking some language lessons from TeeDee & Rose.
Stormwind13 29th Jan 2017, 9:15 PM edit delete reply

As long as Dolly has been around, jamie. She probably has had PLENTY of exposure. Just normally hasn't had NEED to display her mastery of... the language. :-D
megados 29th Jan 2017, 9:19 PM edit delete reply

I don't blame her one bit. Hopefully now that she's sitting down, it won't hurt quite so much. Maybe they can help her out while they wait for TeeDee, in exchange for some supplies.
Dragonrider 29th Jan 2017, 9:17 PM edit delete reply

So much for the theory that there was a romantic connection between our resident Nova Romans. Don't think Dolly holds quite the respect for Kali that Kali held for her, page 1369 twice Kali congratulated Dolly on a job well done. They gonna find out pretty quick "Super Android" that came to take Lynn Taylor home, especially when it comes out she survived one on one with Kali, even if Kali was holding back, no one else but probably Dolly realizes.
Stormwind13 29th Jan 2017, 9:28 PM edit delete reply

Well, that apparently is why Lucianus is letting her wave the gun around. He HAS been injured. His posture made me think he might have been, but now it is confirmed.
megados 30th Jan 2017, 7:19 AM edit delete reply

It makes me wonder whether he has backup on the way?
Gilrandir 30th Jan 2017, 9:40 AM edit delete reply
In my opinion, backup in the immediate future is unlikely @megados, because of the following:

* -- When things started happening, the first thing that went out was communications.
* -- They don't seem to be in a high-value area that would reflexively be reinforced by standing orders, and there are no communications.
* -- At this time of night, they would seem to be far enough off the beaten track that a patrol would not just wander by and decide to rally to them.
* -- Apparently, whatever patrol did wander by happened to be made up of drug-crazed Praetorians who decided to attack them, unless Mememto Mori has decided to start attacking aerial hangars.
* -- Now that communications are starting to be restored, they aren't currently under attack or on fire, which apparently is not the case everywhere else.
* -- The medical support they have likely tried to request probably has their hands full with higher-priority requests ... as well as being under attack and on fire. ^_^

On the other hand, there seems to be a good case to be made that the Lord General Maxus will be joining them shortly, so I suppose that counts as reinforcements. ^_^
megados 30th Jan 2017, 3:06 PM edit delete reply

I have to say that I agree with most of the points you make, and if Maxus is on the way, and not detained elsewhere, he'll diffuse any tension. If not, they're probably alone and on their own for the time being. It's not known whether anyone else would come into or through there. While it's not a relatively high priority area, it is a fuel area, and does have some importance. Also, this isn't really late at night. Here it is 06:00, and we're still at least within the hour since, I think.

The rest of the points you make, though, are valid, and I don't believe my little nitpicks negate your arguments, so I guess we'll just have to wait and see . . . :-D
That one guy 30th Jan 2017, 4:36 PM edit delete reply
Author Centcomm stated last comic that our mechanic here shut down the elevator and Noctis just re-enabled it. So likely she was trying to help treat him and they both hastily armed themselves when the elevator kicked back in.

In the same comment she confirmed that their fight was with the blue boys not the rebels, and also that Marcus & the others are headed to this hanger too. So possibly these two will get more nervous before Maxus arrives to calm things down.
DLKmusic 29th Jan 2017, 10:00 PM edit delete reply

Think of it as a learning experience, Dolly!

Next time you crush someone's hands, you'll actually have a good idea of how much pain he is in... THEN you can give it an extra squeeze!
Morituri 29th Jan 2017, 10:23 PM edit delete reply
Wow. I wonder how much of the story comes out before Maxus arrives - and whether they can tell it without making themselves sound like enemies. Dolly's knee is courtesy of one of the Cassians, Kali was fighting her because she engaged the prince, the prince is dead, Acantha's got a potentially mortal wound, Aeneas is coming back on line thanks in large part to Lynn's boyfriend - working with agents from Shinedo whose presence isn't generally known .... I mean, there are a whole lot of things Dolly and/or Lynn could say that would (mis) identify them as enemies of Nova Roma. Much depends on what order you say them in, and how much you say before Maxus &co arrive.

Lucianus would probably appreciate a warning that Maxus &co will arrive. He may feel a need to pull his gauntlets on.

In other news, why do rendered comics always look like the characters all have lights on inside their mouths??
Tokyo Rose 30th Jan 2017, 1:22 AM edit delete reply

The "luminous mouth" thing is a damn pervasive issue. It has to do with how rendered lights and shadows interact with surfaces.

See, the teeth, tongue, and eyes are distinct parts of a figure's mesh; if you select only the "head" zone of a figure in DAZ Studio and lower the opacity setting to make it translucent, the teeth, tongue, and eyeballs will become visible at their full opacity. (This is exactly as fucking creepy as it sounds.) Light sources treat those as solid surfaces, since light sources act exactly the same way on those surfaces as they do on the rest of the body (remember, this isn't "real" light; it can pass through what it acts on to affect objects on the other side), you get the glowing-mouth effect. You can set a given figure to "cast shadows" on other objects, but the teeth/tongue/eyes are part of that figure, so the shadows don't cast on them.

It's weird.
Greenwood Goat 30th Jan 2017, 2:49 AM edit delete reply
There is a kind of analogous phenomenon that can manifest overtly in drawn comics and sequential art. You have a character. Their mouth is open. What do you draw there? How much realism are you going for? How big is it on the page? What would be visible? Teeth? Tongue? Lips? How much and what kind of shading are you using in the rest of the comic? Would colouring the whole thing black look incongruous? Will anybody really look at it? Are you really that bothered? Do you want to get this finished and uploaded tonight or not? Why don't you leave that mouth interior as flat white/grey/sepia/whatever and get on with more important things?? And so, the mouth of the character ends up looking as if it were lit up with a white/grey/sepia/whatever light source, and no one is really that bothered.

I would have thought, however, that the makers of 3D figure-oriented rendering software like this would have tried to address this problem... how about having a ball of darkness (black or dark grey object, 50-90% opacity) that hovers halfway between the middle of the tongue and roof of the mouth, and can be expanded to fill the mouth, blocking off most or all of the light coming from inside...? Not perfect, but would avoid glaring oral anomalies like that. (Now, does anyone from the DAZ Studio team read Datachasers?)
Sheela 30th Jan 2017, 12:16 PM edit delete reply

Just need the computers to become strong enough to do ray casting quickly.

Then light only hits what is not blocked by other meshes.
PaulRein 29th Aug 2017, 11:59 PM edit delete reply
This exact phenomenon happens in some games as well. The examples that immediately jumps to mind are the two Knights of the Old Republic games where the "holo-displays" are rendered by increasing transparency and adding a bluish tint. As a result, eyeballs, tongue, and teeth all show up as "foreign" objects inside the skull. (They are transparent as well but it becomes obvious that they are separate meshes.) Creepy is an understatement, some of the longer holographic cut-scenes can be downright revolting.
Morituri 29th Jan 2017, 10:34 PM edit delete reply
Also, so much for the shippers and this couple; Dude's already married and it sounds like she respects the relationship. So, I wonder if the three of them are poker buddies?
Tokyo Rose 30th Jan 2017, 1:27 AM edit delete reply

Yep, they are.

Honestly, sometimes I get a huge kick out of knowing that anti-shipping missiles are going to be deploying...
megados 30th Jan 2017, 5:50 AM edit delete reply

Anti-shipping missiles?
Gilrandir 30th Jan 2017, 9:47 AM edit delete reply
Harpoons, most likely. You can tell because when they are unleashed, we hear a great wailing (whaling) go up from the Commentary section. ^_^
Sheela 30th Jan 2017, 12:18 PM edit delete reply

Anti-Shipping missiles = rotten eggs!

... btw .. I seem to be missing Lynn's eggs !
megados 31st Jan 2017, 8:00 AM edit delete reply

Aww, c'mon . . . First Dolly's, now Lynn's? Haven't they had enough trauma for one day? ;-)
Gilrandir 31st Jan 2017, 11:03 AM edit delete reply
@Sheela tends to get egg-cited at the flimsiest provocation. We tend to overlook it because they are so shy and retiring that this is a good way to coax them out of their shell. ^_^
Tokyo Rose 31st Jan 2017, 6:26 PM edit delete reply

@megados

"Shipping" is... wait. Hey, Wikipedia! I need the definition of "shipping" as it applies to creative works!

Here you go!

Thanks, Wikipedia!
Sheela 31st Jan 2017, 7:16 PM edit delete reply

ooOooohh ... Cargo Shipping and Slash Fiction !

TeeDee has lots of both, Cargo Shipping with all of her guns (all of them!), and Slash Fiction with all of her knives / blades / machetes!
(the Machetes has mexican/latino names because ... well, because TeeDee!)
megados 31st Jan 2017, 7:17 PM edit delete reply

I knew I should have kept my mouth shut. :/ I know what shipping is, but now I have to admit that I learned it reading MSPA! Did I just say that out loud? O_O

I didn't know what the missiles referred to, but I get it now. Thanks, though.
Dragonrider 29th Jan 2017, 10:35 PM edit delete reply

@Motrituri ask:In other news, why do rendered comics always look like the characters all have lights on inside their mouths??
It's because that is the brilliance of the authors shining through.

All they really have to say is she survived one on one with Kali, and they ain't gonna mess with her.
Timotheus 29th Jan 2017, 11:11 PM edit delete reply

Just say she fought Kali to a draw, that should be sufficiently close to the truth for all concerned.
megados 30th Jan 2017, 5:51 AM edit delete reply

Even that much might (probably would) open a can of worms.
Stormwind13 30th Jan 2017, 9:21 AM edit delete reply

Agreed megados. Better to not dump too much on these two. Kali was one of theirs. Might confuse them, and delay the New Troy team's departure at the least.
rfaramir 30th Jan 2017, 2:27 PM edit delete reply
She fought Kali and lived, whereas Kali did not.

It's close to the truth: Kali 'won' but didn't kill her, then Kali died self-destructing while taking the Prince out.

Victors write the histories, right?
That one guy 30th Jan 2017, 4:43 PM edit delete reply
Well, the best thing is, "We're working with your Lord General and we expect him to meet us here after he's done speaking with the Cassians."

Past that if you really want to mention Kali, they could go with, "Kali considered my mission in the greater interests of New Rome, but wished to delay me without completely stopping me. This is how she chose to accomplish that."

Although that might not go over that well after the quip about killing her if she wasn't already dead. Leaving Kali out of it and concentrating on Maxus is the course of wisdom.
mjkj 30th Jan 2017, 12:25 AM edit delete reply

Awwww... poor Dolly... =S

@alt text: yeah...

HeSerpenty 30th Jan 2017, 3:31 AM edit delete reply

aaaaaaooowww my knee is having sympathy pains for Dolly! Poor thing!! D':
Gilrandir 30th Jan 2017, 9:49 AM edit delete reply
Dolly used to be an adventurer, but then she took a shot to the knee.
Sheela 30th Jan 2017, 12:19 PM edit delete reply

Well .. more like a kick, than a shot.
megados 30th Jan 2017, 3:10 PM edit delete reply

Damned arrows are everywhere . . .
Centcomm 1st Feb 2017, 1:45 PM edit delete reply

I know right. Dolly is going to be in a lot of pain for a while.
Kamy 30th Jan 2017, 7:29 AM edit delete reply

adrenaline is wearing off!
Been there done that...
First time for real organic pain... Poor Dolly :S
robnot 30th Jan 2017, 9:12 AM edit delete reply
yeah broke ( greenstick ) leg in boot camp, went 30 days like that before xray.. lots o pain.!!
lalverson 30th Jan 2017, 7:43 AM edit delete reply

I really like the subtle fact of Lucianus has a husband, after all it is NW Rome and that sort of thing happened. The best part of this page is the natural flow of the dialog. It really works here.
robnot 30th Jan 2017, 9:09 AM edit delete reply
side note : hope hubby is NOT in military, at least not a blue ( i would think not )..
Sheela 30th Jan 2017, 12:26 PM edit delete reply

Ah .. I may have been speculating in the comment section on how gay the troopers might be (Comic 1121 - "Ghosts"), in the past. :D

(about 2/3s down the page)
Dragonrider 30th Jan 2017, 2:42 PM edit delete reply

Sheela you need to cut and paste that here, it is soooo funny.
DLKmusic 30th Jan 2017, 6:18 PM edit delete reply

Agreed, That ranks 1 or 2 in the "Sheela Top 5 list"

It's in competition with Steve Irwin and the Urinaliens though....
megados 30th Jan 2017, 4:53 PM edit delete reply

That was pretty good, Sheela *wipes coffee off of nose, monitor, keyboard*
Morituri 30th Jan 2017, 12:32 PM edit delete reply
But holy cats, it's unfortunate for the ladies. With a population that's five-to-one female I bet a lot of the straight ladies are just -- really really frustrated, you understand? And then you add in the gay guys taking each other out of circulation, and you've just gotta feel bad for the straight women in this scenario.
Gilrandir 30th Jan 2017, 1:08 PM edit delete reply
If called upon, I am willing to feel the straight women in this scenario. ^_^ That's just the kind of generous guy I am. ^_^
Tokyo Rose 30th Jan 2017, 4:29 PM edit delete reply

I will always admire the CW's Flash TV show for what I consider to be the absolute best depiction of a gay character to date. The police captain, sitting down to lunch, casually remarks to Barry Allen and Joe West, "My boyfriend wants us to eat healthy at home, so this is the only place where I can eat what I like." Nobody blinks an eye or reacts with the least bit of shock, there's just this moment of solidarity on the subject of significant others and diet, and the scene proceeds.

To me, that is equality. It's not presented dramatically or as a big deal, it's just a completely normal moment. I wish that more shows and movies handled the subject so gracefully.

@megados
I had much the same reaction the first time I read that comment of Sheela's. I was bubbling soda out of my ears.
megados 30th Jan 2017, 4:57 PM edit delete reply

I had deleted my comment, because I didn't want to start that argument. I put part of it back. I think you summed up the rest better than I did. That's why the timestamp changed. Kudos!

**edit

Wait . . . ears? o_O
Tokyo Rose 31st Jan 2017, 6:28 PM edit delete reply

@megados

I may be exaggerating very slightly for humor value. However, when I was a kid, I would regularly freak people out with my ability to blow bubbles out of my ears in swimming pools.
megados 31st Jan 2017, 6:42 PM edit delete reply

Actually, that's kinda cool. Since you mentioned it, I'll share a little also. I used to be able to do something similar: I could make bubbles come out of my eyes. Like you say, it freaked people out.
Boren 30th Jan 2017, 6:19 PM edit delete reply
Right? I hate the freaking shows where they're jamming it in you face and making a big deal of it, honestly I think Dumbldor was the best presented gay character simply because you never even knew.
Sheela 30th Jan 2017, 6:44 PM edit delete reply

@DLKmusic > Oh man, I had completely forgotten about the urinaliens ... poor buggers that they were. :D

@Megados > Aw, thank you. :)

@Tokyo Rose > ROSE - Don't waste the soda! You need to clean your ears now!

Personally, I think my first sketch (possibly the very first), was one of the best, ie. the one with the techies and the Reverse Master Switcher discussing how Centcomms word were gospels and how to make Centcomm smoothies, and it all turned out to be because Tokyo Rose did it for the lulz. Good times. :D
KarToon12 30th Jan 2017, 3:35 PM edit delete reply

I love how we don't even see Dolly struggling. Just that reaction is image enough. XD
megados 30th Jan 2017, 7:29 PM edit delete reply

I think it hits the mark perfectly. :)
Dragonrider 31st Jan 2017, 8:07 AM edit delete reply

Two questions here:
How long, story time, has it been since Lynn was kidnapped? Tried to figure it out with Lynn saying she had picked up some Lamod since being there it made me think possibly she had been there longer than the two or three weeks I think that have elapsed.

Will, perchance, the Cassions award Dolly the Honorary Title of Princeps out of respect for her prowess in fighting Kali in order to rescue her charge?
Stormwind13 31st Jan 2017, 9:35 AM edit delete reply

I think that they have only one Princeps at a time, Dragonrider. Currently, Noctis appears to have inherited the title.

I think that Dolly would be happy with the title of Guardian. She EARNED that one, the hard way. Of course right now, I'm thinking Dolly just wants OUT of Nova Roma! It has caused her enough pain (both physically and emotionally) for a lifetime!
Timotheus 31st Jan 2017, 12:03 PM edit delete reply

If the Taylor household had several guardians, and they were in Nova Roma for whatever reason, and they had reason to address Dolly, it would be appropriate for them to refer to her as "Princeps" for the sake of their hosts understanding as she would be the senior and defacto leader of the Taylor Guardians. She could never be a princeps of or to the cassians.
Gilrandir 31st Jan 2017, 12:55 PM edit delete reply
Even if the Taylors had enough guardians in a prestigious enough role to warrant a 'princeps' ... (In my opinion, there's a threshold. A bagel shop has someone in charge, but that doesn't mean they rate 'Princeps'. Guildmaster of the entire city-state's Baker's Guild, maybe.) ... even if, I doubt Dolly would want that title, since she doesn't seem the sort to be placed in a command position over the other guardians. Her role seems to be much more personal and narrow of scope. But I could easily be wrong here.
megados 31st Jan 2017, 9:46 AM edit delete reply

I can't really give any useful answer to your first question; Rose had said she had purposely kept from time stamping anything, because of constraints on the storytelling that it would have created. She did mention that the attack began at around 04:00 hours. I believe that we're at about 06:and something now. (Just my guess)

I don't think the Cassians would (or could) bestow that title to Dolly, regardless of whether she deserved it. Maxus has named Noctis as interim Princeps, and even that has to be made permanent by proper procedure. I don't think that the Cassians are in a position to name their own Princeps. I don't really think Maxus is likely to put Dolly in that position, as Dolly isn't a Nova Roma citizen, if for no other reason. Just my 2¢ :)

Oh I see Stormwind13 beat me to it. :)

Yeah, I have to agree, Dolly would probably rather put this whole thing behind her.
Gilrandir 31st Jan 2017, 10:56 AM edit delete reply
We have seen the title "Princeps" applied to multiple contemporaries. As I recall, Kali once used the title when addressing Decimus, and was later hailed as Princeps herself by Noctis. (Though Kali more customarily used "Prince", so that may have been a typo -- or I may just be misremembering.) I therefore get the impression that "Princeps" is being used to mean "First Among ...". Decimus (now Acantha) is first among all New Romans, Kali (now Noctis) is first among all Cassians. Technically it might be appropriate that Maxus (was Adventus, now Maxus again) is first among all the Nova Roman soldiery, and therefore also entitled to the honorific. It wouldn't surprise me if the First Speaker of the Senate also was entitled to it. But, I could, of course, be completely mistaken.

In any case, even though Dolly is "first among running dog imperialist clockwork tools of the evil CentComm, who have come to trample on Nova Roma's legitimate exercise of sovereign power" (by virtue of having arrived in New Rome first ^_^), I doubt they would choose to recognize her in that way. And I agree that, no matter what recognition Dolly eventually gets for her encounter in the tunnel, she would probably be happier to just put the whole incident behind her.

Interesting (to me) side note: It seems possible to me that Noctis might have committed an error in etiquette by addressing Kali as 'Princeps' while in the presence of Decimus. Hypothetical etiquettes and traditions are, of course, the most fun and least productive to speculate about, but it seems likely that the practice to be followed would include never addressing someone as "First Among ..." when someone who outranks them is in the room with them. But that is a minor nit.
Dragonrider 31st Jan 2017, 11:59 AM edit delete reply

OK when in doubt google and get the Encyclopedia Britannica definition (Fun fact when I started to type Encyclopedia, the old Walt Disney clip of Jimminy Cricket started running through my mind with him singing the spelling, Yes Dammit I'm that old):

Written By: The Editors of Encyclopædia Britannica Last Updated:
7-20-1998 See Article History

Princeps, ( Latin: “first one,” or “leader”) the unofficial title used by the Roman emperors from Augustus (reigned 27 bc–ad 14) to Diocletian (reigned ad 284–305). Thus this period in Roman history is known as the principate (principatus), whereas the government of the empire under Diocletian and his successors is known as the dominate, from dominus (“lord,” or “master”).

The title princeps originated under the Roman Republic, when it was held by the leading member of the Senate (princeps senatus). Thus, Augustus’ use of the title lent plausibility to his claim to be the restorer of republican institutions vitiated during the civil wars of the 1st century bc. In fact, he had replaced the oligarchy of the republic with his own autocratic rule. Under his successors principatus soon did come to mean autocracy. This usage gave rise to the medieval title “prince.”

I don't think Dolly wants to forget that fight, she will relive it until she figures how she could have left Kali disabled, out of commission and in pain. My question was basically how the Cassions will regard Dolly after she went one on one with Kali and survived. I am sure Maxus will request a copy of Dollys recording of the fight for use in Acanthas "confirmation" hearings and as proof of how and why Douchemas and Kali died..
Stormwind13 31st Jan 2017, 12:26 PM edit delete reply

On page 1250 Boss Logic, Noctis uses Prineps to Kali in Douchimus' presence; however, they appear to be speed talking.

On page 1424 Playing Nice, Maxus tells Noctis she has the seniority to be Princeps, but he wanted her protecting Acantha.

On page 1452 Special Delivery, Tennyo acknowledges Noctis as Princeps, so I have a feeling because of seniority Noctis inherited the title upon Kali's demise.
megados 31st Jan 2017, 1:19 PM edit delete reply

@Stormwind13 I believe you to be correct, in that Noctis is currently Princeps of the Cassians, and will most likely retain that title for the foreseeable future, barring unforseen circumstances. (I very much hope there are none)
Centcomm 31st Jan 2017, 2:37 PM edit delete reply

Yes " Princepts " In Roma is like saying " Commander. " about the same lvel.
megados 31st Jan 2017, 4:02 PM edit delete reply

Thank you, Centcomm. I appreciate your taking the time to clarify it. :-)
Gilrandir 31st Jan 2017, 12:46 PM edit delete reply
@Dragonrider --
"My question was basically how the Cassions will regard Dolly after she went one on one with Kali and survived."


(Disclaimer: The following is only my opinion about other people's characters. The creatrices, as always, will know better than I.)

With respect.

Honestly, I don't think it will be that big a deal. She fought. She did well under trying circumstances with major consequences hanging in the balance. She lost. It can even be argued (as it was, by me) that Kali wasn't even going all out during the early portion of the fight. And you seem to be assuming that Dolly's nature as an android will become known to the Cassians. In DC, metal is always better than meat, so metal versus metal contests are strictly "Dog bites Man" stories.

Maxus beat a Cassian one-on-one. Naked (approximately). With a sword. While the Cassian had armor and reinforcements. With automatic weapons. And he's meat. (Enhanced, true, but not cybered, as far as we have been told.) If you want to know who the Cassians should be regarding with awe, I think you need look no further than their own Lord General. ^_^

Or, to possibly misquote the flavortext from the "Bearer of the Mackenzie Hammer" card in the Battletech CCG, "Of course he's good. That's why they give him the hammer." ^_^
Gilrandir 31st Jan 2017, 1:27 PM edit delete reply
The likeliest candidates I can find for an honorific that might be bestowed on Dolly would be either "legate" or "laureate", but of course that depends on the traditions, customs, and usages of New Rome -- about which we have comparatively little historical data. ^_^
Dragonrider 31st Jan 2017, 1:53 PM edit delete reply

Believe, The Force is not with my Rome History of however, I believe Legate is a title give to an ambassador send to or by a foreign country and Laureate is as I recall an Honorific bestowed upon Academics. Possibly the closest Roman Title would be Protector Domesticus, Commander of the Household Guard.

Of course this is nothing compared to her title after she has her pier 6 donnybrook with Cent Com. How do you say she kicked the bitches ass over the moon?
Gilrandir 31st Jan 2017, 2:06 PM edit delete reply
According to Wikipedia, "legate" just means "general", which makes it suitably vague for a courtesy rank (IMHO). "Laureate" traditionally meant "one who was awarded the laurel", which could have been for scholastic, athletic, or military achievement. Modern usage is more associated with the scholarly (or poetic) achievements, although recipients of the Nobel prizes are "laureates", including the Nobel Peace Prize.
Sheela 31st Jan 2017, 4:27 PM edit delete reply

I think a more modern variant of Princeps would be the Japanese honorific "sempai".

Of course, someone is gonna gussy Noctis up with a pair of huge anime eyes, and have her simper "sempai" at someone.

And Tokyo Rose will have an instant case of diabetes!
Of which she will rant about .. for days on end!
Dragonrider 31st Jan 2017, 5:28 PM edit delete reply

@Sheela: Diabetes or a shit fit?
megados 31st Jan 2017, 5:29 PM edit delete reply

I think if Noctis has anything to say about it, it's not gonna happen. ;-)
Oni-neko 31st Jan 2017, 5:47 PM edit delete reply
Wouldn't it be more accurate to have Tennyo doing that? Or maybe just have her blushing and exclaiming about how Senpai noticed her?
Gilrandir 31st Jan 2017, 6:04 PM edit delete reply
As far as I know, "Senpai" implies a "Senpai-Kohai" relationship which wouldn't seem appropriate to an outsider such as Dolly ... but I could easily be mistaken.
megados 31st Jan 2017, 6:17 PM edit delete reply

The is just my opinion, and doesn't really matter, and I do also think Dolly has earned some recognition, but then I thought about it from what I can only guess would be her point of view. She didn't do all that for recognition. She didn't do it for any title. She did it out of her love for Lynn, so if you give her a title, it should reflect that.
Gilrandir 31st Jan 2017, 6:30 PM edit delete reply
A cool thing (for me, at least) @megados, is that it really doesn't matter what Dolly wants or why she did what she did. It is one of the duties of authority to see that exemplary conduct is recognized and rewarded just as much as it is a duty to see that improper conduct is recognized and corrected. This is, sadly, overlooked more often than not. We'll just have to wait and see what happens here.
megados 31st Jan 2017, 6:45 PM edit delete reply

Agreed @Gilrandir :-)
Timotheus 31st Jan 2017, 8:17 PM edit delete reply

She has a recognized title, the "Taylor Guardian". Kali called her that upon meeting her and it was given with a great deal of respect. As the Taylor Guardian Dolly is already a figure of legend, even in Nova Roma, and her having survived a one on one duel with Kali, even with injuries, will only enhance it.
DLKmusic 31st Jan 2017, 5:48 PM edit delete reply

Laureate would actually be the appropriate honorific, based on ancient Roman Custom. It implies Achievement and respect, without bestowing special legal status. Scholars were Laureates, but so were Athletes, as Gil mentioned, and a Gladiator that won his way to freedom was typically also given the title. Also, the title wasn't reliant Roman Citisenship.

This, of course, would be dependant on whether or not the Cassians choose to honor Dolly in such a way. Personally, I believe most of them would salute her for doing her duty in an outstanding manner, and then move on to the next criminal they need to make a lesson out of.

Another minor nit-pik @Gil, if I may. Dolly is not just the guardian of the Taylor household. She is also head of security for all of the Taylor holdings. ie Buildings and Industries, incuding the one Lynn and Calli live in. I agree that her scope is still fairly narrow, but it does encompass a lot more than just being the Taylor Bodyguard.

Gilrandir 31st Jan 2017, 6:15 PM edit delete reply
Your point is well-taken, @DLKmusic, although I don't recall her being Chief of Security for Taylor Industries. However, I also don't recall her going out of her way to ensure she had a proper replacement for her Chief of Security duties before leaving on her rescue mission (as Noctis did) implying that the scope of her duties are sufficiently small and limited that no such measure was necessary. The 'replacement' she did make sure to emplace was Minx. No one out there is thinking we should be calling Minx "Princeps" any time soon, are they? ^_^

(My spelling auto-correct keeps trying to replace "Princeps" with "Princess". I can only conclude that it has met Minx. ^_^)

However, also relevant to your point, and supportive of it, is that in New Troy (in general), and the Taylors (in particular) they appear able and more willing to rely on CentComm for such matters of security, obviating to some degree the need for a role equivalent to the Princeps of the Cassians. At least, in my opinion.
Tokyo Rose 31st Jan 2017, 6:45 PM edit delete reply

Dolly isn't likely to get any sort of title or recognition that anybody would want. She entered New Rome under false pretenses (posing as a mercenary) with the intention of recovering a political hostage held by the recognized, acknowledged, legal authority of the city*. Legally, Maxus should have KILLED HER on the spot, or at least arrested her and held her for trial, NOT sent her out of town with an honor guard.

And don't think that won't come up when the Senate convenes...
Tokyo Rose 31st Jan 2017, 6:40 PM edit delete reply

@megados

No need to guess. The fifth page back from this one was entitled "0600". :)
megados 31st Jan 2017, 7:10 PM edit delete reply

Thank you. I can then refine my guess to around, maybe, 06:15-ish LOL :-D
Sheela 31st Jan 2017, 7:21 PM edit delete reply

While it may not come up when the Senate convenes, any punishment for Dolly *also* won't come up when the Senate convenes - Lest the Senate wants to meet with Maxus' fist - Maxus is NOT happy with them ! They could have stunted the Prince's power, but they didn't.

And they really don't want that to happen. :D
Tokyo Rose 1st Feb 2017, 5:44 AM edit delete reply

Well, Dolly's out of the Senate's reach, so they can't really do much to her. They can and will, however, lodge a formal protest with New Troy. It might even go out alongside the formal protest they'll be lodging on the subject of a New Troy military strike force infiltrating the city. New Troy, in turn, will issue a formal protest in regards to New Rome's holding of a New Troy citizen as a political hostage. This little back-and-forth will delight the hearts of the career diplomats who literally have nothing better to do.
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