Comic 1466 - Favors

21st Mar 2017, 9:00 PM
Favors
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Boren 21st Mar 2017, 9:14 PM edit delete reply
"Fuckin'- What the fuckin'. Fuck. Who the fuck fucked this fucking... How did you two fucking fucks...
Fuck!
Well, that certainly illustrates the diversity of the word."
Centcomm 21st Mar 2017, 9:26 PM edit delete reply

LOL
Boren 21st Mar 2017, 9:34 PM edit delete reply
You do not know how fast I flipped back to the last pages of Luna Star to double check things lol
Guest 22nd Mar 2017, 9:03 AM edit delete reply
in the field of Aircraft and electronics maintenance, "Fuckin' fucker's fucked" is not only a statement of exasperation but a clear and detailed diagnosis...unfortunately they send the paperwork back when you include it.
guest1 22nd Mar 2017, 10:00 AM edit delete reply
thats why i always use "070" on the MAF..
for non military: MAF = Maintenance Action Form. an in "action performed " ( repair) 070 = Broken.bent.torn.twisted. nonrepairable. an if at sea thats followed by bloop test. "1010" lost at sea.
Guest 22nd Mar 2017, 5:05 PM edit delete reply
we used letter codes, I put in 'FTDW' until it finally got sent back, then when someone eventually asked why I used it, I said it was for "Fuckin' Thing Don't Work" and much nodding of heads and silent agreement was the order of the day.
megados 21st Mar 2017, 9:15 PM edit delete reply

So Athena is Lynn's grandmother? This is already getting interesting.

Tycho City's governor should know how Karma works, and that accidents happen . . . (Next time don't get caught, Galatea!)

Rosie is pretty, and the interior of the Seedpod is very nice. The Epiphytes do offer attention to aesthetics, don't they? :D
jamie59 21st Mar 2017, 9:24 PM edit delete reply

That's been established. I think she is also the one who gave Dolly her name.
Centcomm 21st Mar 2017, 9:27 PM edit delete reply

Yep this is Grandma And yes This is the Athena who named Dolly.

And yes Epiphytes do adore the look of things. But this shuttle is well built for its role.
Just_IDD 21st Mar 2017, 9:36 PM edit delete reply
And all this time I thought they had passed on for some reason. She's never spoken of her mom in the present tense.
guest 21st Mar 2017, 10:44 PM edit delete reply
i do remember Calli saying she had to call her parents,, before they did some thing right after Lynn was kidnapped
Centcomm 21st Mar 2017, 10:54 PM edit delete reply

That is correct!
megados 21st Mar 2017, 9:39 PM edit delete reply

Thanks, jamie59, and Centcomm! So many details to remember! She certainly shares the universal opinion of Decimus . . .
Hornet 22nd Mar 2017, 8:55 AM edit delete reply
I remember something about Grandma and the use Orbital Railguns / Mass Drivers.
Sheela 22nd Mar 2017, 12:33 PM edit delete reply

I think "dropping rocks on New Rome" was the wording.
Speedy Marsh 9th Apr 2017, 3:54 PM edit delete reply
Yeah. And, if they let Lynn's grandfather hit the button to launch 'em, they'd be GrandPop Rocks!
jamie59 21st Mar 2017, 9:19 PM edit delete reply

LOL! I see these 2 being a lot of fun.
Centcomm 21st Mar 2017, 9:28 PM edit delete reply

SO far they are certainly a pair :D
Sheela 22nd Mar 2017, 12:32 PM edit delete reply

He's an ambassador too, right ?

But is he ex-military as well ?
antrik 21st Mar 2017, 9:29 PM edit delete reply
Galina's voice? I'm inclined to think that's not a coincidence. (I'm seeing some other similarities as well -- though that might just be my imagination...)

I don't remember whether the name Galatea came up before? It sounds familiar.
Centcomm 21st Mar 2017, 9:31 PM edit delete reply

Aside from the hairstyle she looks exactly like Galina. :D She also uses the Human font rather than the Slider font Galina used.
megados 22nd Mar 2017, 6:50 AM edit delete reply

Is that because of some creation procedure is common to both of them? (in the sense of android creation procdedures)
Sheela 22nd Mar 2017, 12:21 PM edit delete reply

I suspect limited creative assets available to DAZ 3D.
Centcomm 22nd Mar 2017, 12:28 PM edit delete reply

No i intentionally made her look the same. thats working as intended.
megados 22nd Mar 2017, 1:25 PM edit delete reply

Sheela, with as much variety as we have seen, it'd be hard to imagine suddenly running out of options! :D

Centcomm, then I speculate that it's for some yet unspecified, yet to be seen reason?
antrik 22nd Mar 2017, 6:27 PM edit delete reply
Oh, right, the font... I was only seeing the colour -- I never notice the font differences when not looking consciously. :-( (Except for extreme cases of course, such as the Epiphytes or various bots.)

I'm surprised though that she is supposed to look *exactly* the same? Side by side, they do not really look like the same person to me. Though maybe that's just because of the make-up and the shiny plastic skin...

(Also, my comment was rather pointless in view of the hover text, which I missed as usual -- annoying little things always hiding behind the pages ;-) )
Tokyo Rose 23rd Mar 2017, 4:04 AM edit delete reply

Galatea has a better vox than Galina had. She probably should NOT have shiny skin, though, as the rest of her tech should have progressed as well, and even the original didn't look plastic. *gives Cent the stink-eye*
Centcomm 23rd Mar 2017, 6:57 AM edit delete reply

I think i forgot to change her shader.
antrik 23rd Mar 2017, 9:32 PM edit delete reply
Well, Galina had real (though artificially grown) human skin, right? While her "successors" are "ordinary" Androids AIUI. So it doesn't seem surprising that other materials are used in their construction...

(While Troy androids can use biologicals nowadays, this one is of Lunar and/or Epiphyte origin -- so again, differences are to be expected.)

BTW, which one is it really? The epilogue of Lunastar suggests that Galina's successors are actually created by the Epiphytes; while there was some mention here that they are Lunar-make?...
Deoxy 22nd Mar 2017, 2:09 PM edit delete reply
"[Galatea]sounds familiar."

It was used in the movie Bicentennial Man, but I suspect, for them to use it here, it had some previous usage in a more serious work, and I'm just not a big enough nerd to know it.

It probably has roots in Greek mythology before that, though...
Gilrandir 23rd Mar 2017, 1:05 PM edit delete reply
Specifically, in Ovid's Metamorphoses, 'Galatea' was the name of the sculpture/girl that Pygmalion became enamored with. Though the name is also apparently associated with a sea nymph with whom the cyclops Polyphemus became enamored. And, since the name means 'milky while', she might also have an uncredited appearance in Sondheim's Into The Woods, as the best friend and childhood companion of Jack. ^_^
Tokyo Rose 22nd Mar 2017, 3:47 PM edit delete reply

http://lunastar.thecomicseries.com/comics/311/ Last balloon in panel 5 is the explanation: all of the android ambassadors who "inherit" Galina's role are given her appearance as well.
megados 22nd Mar 2017, 4:56 PM edit delete reply

Thank you, @Tokyo Rose. It has been so long since I had seen the epilog . . . It makes me realize that I should reread Luna Star, and the beginning of his one, because there are so many of these kinds of details I need to recall. Also, I got kinda choked up all over again, reading the comments too. So . . . my thanks to both of you!
Tokyo Rose 23rd Mar 2017, 4:03 AM edit delete reply

Yes. Yes, you should go read it again. BASK IN IT.
megados 23rd Mar 2017, 6:25 AM edit delete reply

Already basking, ma'am!
Sheela 23rd Mar 2017, 6:59 AM edit delete reply

... what does baskets have to do with anything ?

Are we going to hell in a handbasket perhaps ?
Centcomm 23rd Mar 2017, 11:10 AM edit delete reply

Always sheela .. your driving remember?
Sheela 23rd Mar 2017, 12:54 PM edit delete reply

*slow blink*

ooOooooOoooohhh .... riight!
There was that thing I was supposed to do!
megados 23rd Mar 2017, 8:00 PM edit delete reply

Okay, well, are we doing this or what?
cattservant 21st Mar 2017, 9:46 PM edit delete reply

Well here we go!
Centcomm 21st Mar 2017, 10:43 PM edit delete reply

hehe yeppers!
Sheela 22nd Mar 2017, 12:22 PM edit delete reply

The parents are coming to stay overnight.

... poor Calliope, more stress!
HeSerpenty 21st Mar 2017, 10:29 PM edit delete reply

DAYUM Lynn's grandparents aged QUITE well! Haha

Man, I wish I could back my truck up into cars that piss me off without any repercussions X"DDD. Well..aside from not being allowed to drive. Guess I'm talkin more..jail or financial repercussions LOL
Centcomm 21st Mar 2017, 10:42 PM edit delete reply

this is where the Ambassador part protected her. She still got into trouble.
Gilrandir 21st Mar 2017, 11:39 PM edit delete reply
So, Galatea is an android and an Ambassador? While Athena is, presumably, the Ambassador from New Troy?
Tokyo Rose 21st Mar 2017, 11:48 PM edit delete reply

Athena is New Troy's ambassador to Luna, while Galatea is technically Luna's ambassador to the Epiphytes (though one could argue that she's the Epiphytes' favored ambassador to humanity).
Gilrandir 22nd Mar 2017, 12:19 AM edit delete reply
Thank you, @Tokyo Rose. That, of course, goes on to spawn even more questions, so please forgive me in advance. ^_^

SPIKY MAGIC HATE BALL ... <shake-Ow! ... shake-Ow! ... shake-Ow!> -- Shouldn't Galatea be sporting more chrome in her personal dress to convey solidarity with the cultural aesthetic of Luna? ^_^

...

SPIKY MAGIC HATE BALL ... <shake-Ow! ... shake-Ow! ... shake-Ow!> -- Who, exactly, currently controls Tycho City? Because, if it is Luna, Galatea's diplomatic credentials shouldn't really protect her from local offenses involving vandalism, assault, reckless driving, etc. Diplomatic immunity applies only to accredited personnel for crimes committed on foreign soil. And, if it's the Epiphytes, does that mean the Epiphyte governor is the one Galatea is accusing of being an ass? Or was the Lunarian governor of Tycho City touring in his yacht through Epiphyte territory when he offended Galatea, and she addressed the matter? (Presumably using a borrowed shuttle to so do.)
Tokyo Rose 22nd Mar 2017, 3:57 AM edit delete reply

@Gilrandir

Answer #1: Galatea dislikes wearing chrome or silver lamé anything because she thinks it makes her look like, quote, "a big stupid baked potato", unquote.

Answer #2: Tycho City is Luna-controlled. However, Galina's successors are really more of the Epiphytes' interface with humanity than the other way around; they occupy a sort of grey area in regards to diplomatic credentials. It's not that they're immune to legal consequences, but they do get a little more than their fair share of leeway--which is very rarely needed, given that they tend to behave themselves, generally speaking. Galatea is relatively new to her role and is a "young" android to boot. Under the circumstances*, she was slapped with a fine and her piloting privileges were suspended.

* First offense, and no one was injured. Also, the Tycho City governor had just publicly referred to the Epiphytes as "a bunch of arrogant weeds that ought to have a flamethrower taken to 'em" and Galatea as "a jumped-up little whorebot trading on the reputation of a Lunarian hero to push her anti-human agenda". (Galatea had asked him a somewhat awkwardly direct question--she IS still learning the ropes of diplomacy--about where he'd gotten the funds to buy his extremely expensive personal yacht...)
Gilrandir 22nd Mar 2017, 9:42 AM edit delete reply
Thank you, @Tokyo Rose. Yes, I'd have to agree with @HiFranc that the three young ladies (Galatea, Lynn, and Acantha) are all spiritual sisters. ^_^ I doubt we'll see the three of them together soon, since Galatea is out on Mars, but they obviously all have studied at the same Charm School. ^_^
StellarJay 23rd Mar 2017, 2:22 AM edit delete reply

Being that Galatea is a "young" android, that keeps her from using the line "I'm older and have more insurance!"
Speedy Marsh 9th Apr 2017, 4:50 PM edit delete reply
I bet I know the common thread that binds those three! I bet that in their closets, they each have a t-shirt that reads: "Everything I ever needed to know, I learned watching 'Lost in Translation'"
xpacetrue 22nd Mar 2017, 8:40 PM edit delete reply

@Tokyo Rose

You wrote, " Galatea is relatively new to her role and is a "young" android to boot. "

I'm curious:

The fact that she is "young" for an android and the fact that the Epiphites build "Speakers of Words", plural, makes it clear that this is a recurring role.

It was revealed that, despite how comparatively progressive New Troy is in regards to how much rights humans give androids, even they impose an artificial limit on android lifespans to... What was it... some 70 years? After that they are... terminated? And why? Because humans feel uncomfortable at the thought of androids having a longer lifespan and outliving them? Reminds them too much of their mortality, perhaps?

That, at least, I can understand. (I don't necessarily approve, but I understand it.) But, do the Epiphytes feel the same way about androids? Do they impose an artificial lifespan on their "Speakers of Words"? Or, do they typically experience a century or three, after which their behavior becomes erratic or they break down?
Mister Black 22nd Mar 2017, 11:02 PM edit delete reply

It was revealed that, despite how comparatively progressive New Troy is in regards to how much rights humans give androids, even they impose an artificial limit on android lifespans to... What was it... some 70 years? After that they are... terminated? And why? Because humans feel uncomfortable at the thought of androids having a longer lifespan and outliving them? Reminds them too much of their mortality, perhaps?

****
The 70 year lifespan on a New Troy android isn't a hard and fast number, and it's probably not derived from a human-standard lifespan...looking at grandma and grandpa Taylor, I'd say they're well on their way to the century and a half mark, barring accidental death, so if android lifespans were set so as not to outlive humans, 70 years seems remarkably short in-universe.

If I were a betting man (*innocent look*), I'd put my money on that 70 year figure coming from some form of unavoidable degradation of key system components, leaving an android with the ugly choice of death-of-self due to quantum dementia, death-of-self by loss of personality, or termination. Given those options, I know what most folks familiar with advanced dementia would pick...

Side note to the Demonic Duo: There might be an interesting short arc here...
*****

That, at least, I can understand. (I don't necessarily approve, but I understand it.) But, do the Epiphytes feel the same way about androids? Do they impose an artificial lifespan on their "Speakers of Words"? Or, do they typically experience a century or three, after which their behavior becomes erratic or they break down?

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See above, with the additional thought that the Speakers seem to be more 'biological' than a standard android, which would fit in with the Epiphyte use of biology-based tech. If that's the case, the biological systems might set a Speaker's lifespan to a much greater extent than the electronic / quantum / handwavium parts of their anatomy. They might also not serve for their entire lifetime...maybe after a few decades of juggling inter-species and inter-cultural politics, the Speaker might just come to the point of saying "**** this, I'm going fishing!".

Bear in mind that all of the above is strictly My Opinion (tm), and is subject to change, deletion, and / or swearing-at by the Demonic Duo without notice.

Now, where'd I leave the fifth ace.....
Stormwind13 23rd Mar 2017, 6:27 PM edit delete reply

The Tech Page shows that androids in New Troy are limited to 100 year lifespan, Mr. Black.

And we were told that Athena meet Dolly when she was 12. Dolly was 2 at the time. Dolly is now 60 (on the cast page) so that Athena has to be 70 (or least 69). :-)
Gilrandir 23rd Mar 2017, 7:19 PM edit delete reply
Technically Athena might be a couple of years younger, thanks to Mr. Einstein and the Twin Paradox, but not to any significant degree, I suspect.
Tokyo Rose 23rd Mar 2017, 4:15 AM edit delete reply

@xpacetrue

New Troy artificially limits android lifespans as a "compromise" for giving them rights on par (theoretically) with that of the human citizenry.

The Epiphytes have a very different view of lifespan, however, given that some of their own elders are very, very old indeed. The Speakers serve as long as they're willing and able to. Some of them do retire early, stepping down from their position to lead their own lives. Others remain in their position until natural entropy has its way with them to the point of rendering them unable to carry out their duties; Mister Black was right in that androids can suffer from "quantum dementia" as their minds slowly degrade over time. The Epiphytes don't artificially restrict the Speakers' lifespans, and carry out as much maintenance on the body or mind as is necessary, in accordance with the individual Speaker's wishes.
Sheela 23rd Mar 2017, 2:01 PM edit delete reply

Interestingly, in my headcanon back when I "created" Ariel the AIS and her modern Copenhagen city state, one of their specialities was bio-tech and green-tech. (much like it is today)
Remember that organic synthesizer that Calliope was working on way back at the very beginning of the story ?
That's the sort of stuff the Copenhagen city state would develop. Stuff so advanced in bio-tech and green-tech, that it almost works like magic.
Incredibly difficult to make, manage and repair, it would be a super specialized field - But also a lucrative one in a world full of toxins and radioactivity.


Part of the reason for their bio-tech was that they had little access to metals and had to do almost everything with modified organics.
Which also meant that they couldn't just spit out androids willy nilly and use them for cheap labor.
And that meant that they had to make their android last as long as possible, as they were a major investment of both labor and resources.
So things like their filters and bio-plants was vastly ahead of other city states.

But while they lived vastly longer than regular androids (about 180 to 225 years), there was also vastly fewer of them.
Like, they only made up about 10-15% of the population.
Which meant that you couldn't just go buy one.
You had to befriend one, and it was usually for life.
Which made their androids somewhat different from the regular androids ... probably more like Speaker of Words, but more specialized.
In fact, they would probably get along with the Speaker of Words and empaths real well.

Of course, among a group of unusual individuals, you'd get a few that stood out.
That leads to a few "epic" androids of the city-state, that don't really "belong" to anyone but themselves.

I had this idea of 7 androids that were originally "born" almost 400 years ago, as part of a military experiment.
And for some reason, they didn't suffer decay like most do.
Which meant that you had a few combat androids with almost 200 years of actual combat experience.
And then what do you do, if they suddenly decides that they want to be "owned" by someone ?
DLKmusic 23rd Mar 2017, 5:43 PM edit delete reply

I wasn't aware of this artificial lifespan for androids in New Troy. Are there any extenuating circumstances that will either extend that lifespan or negate it?

I'm thinking specifically of Dolly, who's been with the Taylors for ~60 years now, but she just upgraded to this new prototype frame. Does she still have to retire and self terminate in 10 years?

That seems like a HUGE expense for very limited use, not to mention (from an objectively scientific POV) a LOT of valuable andro-psychological data lost regarding adaptation and suitability for this frame.
Sheela 23rd Mar 2017, 6:47 PM edit delete reply

Hush now ... plot spoilers !

Dolly dies of old age !
megados 23rd Mar 2017, 7:30 PM edit delete reply

@DLKmusic, as near as I can understand, it is not really an entirely arbitrary human-imposed limitation. @Tokyo Rose pointed out that there's a mental degradation that occurs over time, sort of like bit rot, as I interpret it, that eventually would lead to some sort of dementia. @Centcomm stated that their span is 100 years. As I understand it, that is somewhat because it is better that they don't have to suffer in that way. Going by what was said, this is how I understand it. I'm always open to correction, however.

Dolly should have some forty years yet, and being in the Taylor family, she would have advantages that could allow her lifespan to extend well beyond.
DLKmusic 21st Mar 2017, 10:43 PM edit delete reply

I was thinking the same thing about Lynn's gramma and Grampa, Serpy! Whatever anti-agathics they are getting to keep them from aging? I WANT!!!!!
Centcomm 21st Mar 2017, 10:57 PM edit delete reply

Anti agathics are good..
Stormwind13 22nd Mar 2017, 11:05 AM edit delete reply

Athena is 70 years old, but looks 50-ish to me. Not bad.

Wonder if Lynn's GREAT Grandparents (Adonis "Don" & Demeter Taylor) are still alive? Depending on how effective the anti-aging treatment is, they could be as young as 89 all the way to 120. If they double the life span, that entire range should still be alive. Heck her GREAT Great Grandparents could still be alive somewhere!
HiFranc 22nd Mar 2017, 1:16 AM edit delete reply

Remember that Galina and her husband lived to a ripe old age.
megados 22nd Mar 2017, 5:22 AM edit delete reply

As far as their anti-agathics go, I'll have what they're having!

If the Tycho City governor responded in that hostile a manner, even if the question was awkwardly asked, I think more investigation may be needed into it's answer. ;)
Sheela 22nd Mar 2017, 12:26 PM edit delete reply

Or maybe they should vote for a new governor.



*pokes SPIKY MAGIC HATE BALL with stick*

... Can Centy now use all those lovely stripperiffic outfits that are available on the Epiphytes ?

... Does Tokyo Rose approve ?

... Does Tokyo Rose have a clothesline ?

... Does Tokyo Rose secretly salivate at the thought of how much money she could make on selling clothes to the Epiphytes ?
Tokyo Rose 22nd Mar 2017, 3:50 PM edit delete reply

@Sheela

- No.
- No.
- No.
- They don't really wear much in the way of clothes, obviously, so... no. :D
Sheela 22nd Mar 2017, 5:32 PM edit delete reply

Aw.

I kinda thought it funny if the Epiphytes, being an advanced race and all, thought that stripperriffic clothes was the shiznit! >_<
Speedy Marsh 9th Apr 2017, 4:28 PM edit delete reply
Actually, I'm fairly certain that Tokyo Rose does have a clothesline, but she uses it as a doggy leash.

I can neither confirm nor deny that she also uses it as a garrote, because I'm afraid that if I asked her, her reply would come in the form of a hands-on demonstration.
jamie59 22nd Mar 2017, 5:38 PM edit delete reply

Aw comeon I have a thing for hot green women so I second Sheela.
HiFranc 22nd Mar 2017, 6:23 PM edit delete reply

Why would they want to wear clothes (with the exception of putting other species at ease) given they need light for nutrition?
Gilrandir 22nd Mar 2017, 7:33 PM edit delete reply
Oprah Winfrey has a new line of graduated-coverage clothing for Epiphytes looking to drop a few pounds. "With Waist-Watchers special clothing, you get to wear as much as you want, in whatever colors you want, and still reach your target weight. For every four hours you spend in the sunlight, you just take out a card from your weekly allotment for every article of our special clothing you have on. For every four hours in the shade, you can pull 5 cards. At the end of each week, you just make sure you don't have any cards left over. We have all sorts of colors and styles, but basic black remains a very popular favorite with most Epiphytes. It's so slimming." ^_^
Tokyo Rose 23rd Mar 2017, 4:21 AM edit delete reply

@HiFranc

They do enjoy adorning their bodies for aesthetic reasons. Body paint, makeup, jewelry, and clothing are very popular for that purpose.

Contemplate the idea that there are health-conscious Epiphytes who are against the use of such things because of the potential to interfere with one's ability to photosynthesize, those who argue that individual expression can easily be balanced with nutritional needs, and some who claim that it's worth the increased need to ingest sustenance to be properly à la mode, dahliang...
Sheela 23rd Mar 2017, 7:01 AM edit delete reply

Yessss ... with photosynthesis, it's almost as good as canon that Epiphytes likes skimpy clothes !

Centcomm can finally use those skimpy clothes art assets! >_<
All the Pickles 23rd Mar 2017, 9:08 AM edit delete reply

Just so long as Calliope's outfit from #135 doesn't make a reappearance...
antrik 24th Mar 2017, 4:33 PM edit delete reply
Seconded.

(And thirded too, if there is an extra vote on sale ;-) )
Rashala 21st Mar 2017, 11:35 PM edit delete reply

Like the grandma. She has good taste. Specially about loony mcturd
HiFranc 22nd Mar 2017, 1:07 AM edit delete reply

He was so good at making friends that he needed the boys in blue and his dead man's switch.
megados 22nd Mar 2017, 6:44 AM edit delete reply

What do you do if you're such an asshole that literally EVERYONE is your enemy?
All the Pickles 22nd Mar 2017, 7:12 AM edit delete reply

Rule by fear rather than respect, and hope it lasts long enough.
Gilrandir 22nd Mar 2017, 9:43 AM edit delete reply
Change your name to "Decimus". ^_^
Rashala 22nd Mar 2017, 11:46 PM edit delete reply

Simple just follows prince douchebags example and have a loyal android shove a arm into you chest an immolate you to base ashes!


@centcomm would help out with PC but my own RL cash issues are ......well suck royally right now.
mjkj 22nd Mar 2017, 12:39 AM edit delete reply

Wow, great update...

Lots of ambassadors... - so Lynn's grandparents return to visit her.

I really like Galatea and Roseblossom (wow, she is tall...)

Stormwind13 22nd Mar 2017, 7:04 AM edit delete reply

I think part of Roseblossom's height is actually perspective, mjkj. I'm pretty sure that Galatea is behind her.

I really like all the visuals here. The characters look good, as does the interior of the shuttle.

Galatea looks like Galina (still miss seeing her), but more mature.

And thank you for the laughs, Rose. The banter on the page was classic.
Sheela 22nd Mar 2017, 12:28 PM edit delete reply

Also, Roseblossom has learned to wear clothes ... that must have been an interesting lesson for the Epiphytes to learn.

I'm sure Galina and her sucessors had much fun with that. :)
mjkj 22nd Mar 2017, 1:37 PM edit delete reply

Yeah, Stormwind, but even including perspective, she is still a head taller than Galin... erm Galatea - while seating that is...
Centcomm 22nd Mar 2017, 8:52 PM edit delete reply

Blossom is standing.. so is Galatea.
mjkj 23rd Mar 2017, 12:02 AM edit delete reply

Thank you for the clarification, Cent.
guest 23rd Mar 2017, 8:41 AM edit delete reply
my comment yesterday morning went missing,,
the girls are standing : Roseblossom is 6ft(ish) an Galatea is 5ft, same height as Galina 1.524m.. these species ( ? genius ?) of Epiphytes tend to average 6ft
antrik 23rd Mar 2017, 10:07 PM edit delete reply
I think you mean "genus" :-) However, I'm not sure it makes sense to apply Terran taxonomy to extraterrestrial life forms...

Also note that Epiphytes *choose* their form -- so the group of those who look human-like do not constitute a genetic clade at all. If you want to classify them, probably just best to stick with "form".
HiFranc 22nd Mar 2017, 1:11 AM edit delete reply

Something tells me that Galatea, Lynn and Acantha are going to get on like a house on fire (and add more grey hairs to Lynn's grandparents).
megados 22nd Mar 2017, 5:15 AM edit delete reply

That sounds like it might even be an understatement.
Sheela 22nd Mar 2017, 12:29 PM edit delete reply

What about Noctis ?
Would she get some grey hairs too ?
And how would that work ?
megados 22nd Mar 2017, 8:01 PM edit delete reply

Maybe she would join in!
chk 22nd Mar 2017, 5:41 AM edit delete reply

Interestinger and interestinger.
Mark_L_A 22nd Mar 2017, 9:17 AM edit delete reply

Uh Oh. I wonder just how well Athena will take to Dolly new upgrades.

Also Galatea reminds me strongly of Galina when she gets mad.
Sheela 22nd Mar 2017, 12:30 PM edit delete reply

I suspect that she will be happy about Dolly's upgrades.
Undoubtedly, Calliope would have talked to her about it already.
Stormwind13 22nd Mar 2017, 2:51 PM edit delete reply

Possibly Calliope told her. Even if not though I expect her to be ECSTATIC. I think she probably loves Dolly a lot. Especially for helping her overcome her learning difficulties (as originally seen).
Mister Black 23rd Mar 2017, 10:34 AM edit delete reply

I suspect that she will be happy about Dolly's upgrades.
Undoubtedly, Calliope would have talked to her about it already.
*****

I may be the 'odd person out' here, but I"m not certain that Athena will be happy at all with Dolly's "upgrades".
After all, Dolly's "new and improved" body is, in many ways, not very "improved" at all. It's certainly prettier, and much more capable of passing as human, but Dolly's role is caretaker and bodyguard, and her new body is much more vulnerable to pain, hunger, and other forms of privation. It's also much more organic...which has interesting implications for Dolly's later years. We the readers see it as a prettier, more human shell. Athena might see her childhood friend trapped in a (relatively) frail and vulnerable body...not a comforting image at all.

In fact, once the current mission is over (the paperwork and debrief aren't finished, so it's not done yet) and the need to pass as human isn't pressing, I'd love to hear Dolly's opinion on her "upgraded" condition.
Gilrandir 23rd Mar 2017, 11:37 AM edit delete reply
I think Athena will be in favor of the upgrades for one reason in particular -- but, I agree with you, @Mr. Black, that that is only the tip of the iceberg.

The discussion about limiting the android lifespan has conspicuously overlooked the ramifications of the re-upload process. Specifically, if enforcement is accomplished by limited-life components, then a re-upload would seem to 're-set the clock'. Athena, in particular, is most likely to be aware of how much time Dolly has already used up and can be expected to be strongly in favor of anything that might grant Dolly increased longevity to prolong the family association -- even if it came at the cost of a reduction in Dolly's overall functional effectiveness.

As far as the functional effectiveness, however, there are probably some things to consider. It is no secret that, in my personal opinion, the creatrices have skewed the "meat versus metal" debate impossibly far in favor of "metal", making the series 5 nothing but a downgrade as far as Guardian effectiveness compared to a properly kitted out series 2 or series 3 chassis. However, there are a few canon items that offer a minimal degree of hope:

* -Dolly had to significantly "up-clock" when synchronizing to the series 5 processors, implying the possibility of major cognitive and learning improvements. Admittedly, if there was any recognition of this up until now, I missed it. I don't think we ever saw Dolly thinking "I feel much smarter now" or "My senses are so much more acute" or "Now I have the capacity to get those Bomb Disposal and Language:Troll skill package suites I wanted, but for which I lacked the capacity." If we did, I missed it.
* - Calliope had apparently been working on the series 5 for some time before Lynn got kidnapped with Dolly in mind. She described it as some of her best work. It seems improbable she (foremost android designer in New Troy) would have been planning to put Dolly in a chassis she knew Dolly would regard as a downgrade. It makes me wonder just how badly Dolly underutilized her existing capabilities during the mission. It might (or might not) be analogous to handing a standard-trained infantryman an Barret sniper rifle and telling him "It's a better rifle than your M-16. Now go out and kill the enemy." Give that same trooper a six-month course in sniper tactics, techniques, and weaponry and you would probably get a much more effective soldier -- albeit one who does not fight in the same way.
* - After processing the performance data of the prototype in the field, if Dolly wants to go back to a more conventional chassis, I'm sure her family would support her decision and Calliope would promptly get to work on the series 5.1. ("Remember to include pain threshold overrides, this time.") The only reason Dolly was in the series 5, after all, was because CentComm convinced her it was necessary for Lynn's rescue because of Nova Roma's strong anti-android laws. But I'm sure Dolly's entire family knows of her preference for function over form and (if appropriate) won't be at all surprised to see her in a Francine-like chassis two weeks from now if that's what Dolly decides on after sitting down to discuss trades and options with Calliope in an unhurried fashion, now that everyone is safe.

Just my opinions, of course.
Tokyo Rose 23rd Mar 2017, 3:37 PM edit delete reply

The "data" of the mind can still degrade even if transferred to a new "hard drive"; we see this phenomenon even now when moving, say, music files around.
Gilrandir 23rd Mar 2017, 6:08 PM edit delete reply
Sure. The "Xerox Effect". As I said, we (those of us who aren't the creative team ^_^) don't know what mechanism is actually used to implement the life-span limits. The clock would be reset by a hardware reload only if it were a hardware mechanism. If it were a software mechanism, then a different set of rules seem likely to apply, and if it is strictly legislative, then even more different rules would apply. My conjecture was based on earlier comments which proposed that the typical mechanism was hardware-based.
antrik 23rd Mar 2017, 10:11 PM edit delete reply
Considering that it seems to have been Dolly's look that Athena has initially fallen in love with, I think she will actually have a pretty hard time coming to terms with the new body...
Centcomm 23rd Mar 2017, 4:43 PM edit delete reply

Sounding off . The lifespan is 100 years ... And currently Dolly is 60.
Haegan2005 22nd Mar 2017, 4:48 PM edit delete reply

This was classic light and fun fair. thank you ladies.
Centcomm 23rd Mar 2017, 4:44 PM edit delete reply

your welcome!
KarToon12 22nd Mar 2017, 5:42 PM edit delete reply

Friends don't let friends drive drunk....or into yachts. XD
Gilrandir 22nd Mar 2017, 8:06 PM edit delete reply
So ... everyone else's comments here have me second-guessing my own understanding (or lack thereof). People seem to be suggesting that Athena, Galatea, etc. are proceeding to New Troy and a reunion with our other dramatis personae -- which makes little sense to me.

Assumptions:
* - Athena Taylor is the Ambassador from New Troy to Luna. This means that her current official residence is on Luna.
* - Seedpod Four is a shuttlecraft of Epiphyte registry that, until recently, has been transported by the Antares from an unspecified point of origin
* - Galatea is actually an android of Epiphyte manufacture, and probably attached to Seedpod Four as part of its complement. From this we can infer that Seedpod Four was recently in Tycho City, but that doesn't help much since we don't know where Tycho City is. Odds seem good, however, that Tycho City is on Luna.
* - The Antares is currently in orbit around Mars.

So, given the above, it seems reasonable to conclude that Ambassador Athena (and her consort) hitched a ride from Luna to Mars on Seedpod Four which, in turn, hitched a ride on the Antares. If they're heading to New Troy, they're going seriously in the wrong direction. ^_^ If they're heading to someplace on Mars, everything makes sense (to me), except why there would have been any significant time savings over just riding on Antares.

Alternatively, Seedpod Four is about as much of a "shuttle" as a Star Trek Galileo-class interplanetary ship and the Ambassador was returning to Luna from the remote reaches of the outer Solar System. They decided they wanted to get somewhere faster than the Antares would have taken them in the normal course of events so they called an Epiphyte 'taxicab' and are transshipping in Mars orbit before employing the Epiphyte 'superdrive' to get to some (as yet unknown) destination that isn't Mars.

May we safely assume more exposition will be forthcoming? ^_^
Centcomm 22nd Mar 2017, 8:56 PM edit delete reply

Athena and Her husband were on one of the asteriod mining colonys She was brokering a deal for Luna and Troy. Once that was done they got to Mars and were going to take the torch ship to earth Athena wants to be with her Daughter.. Calliope and See her granddaughter.

Rose and Galatea happened to be in comm range and they diverted from there trip ( to earth ) to pick up the Taylors as they are all friends. And the epiphyte shuttle can make the trip in hours instead of days.

It does have a gravity drive like the bigger ships.
Gilrandir 22nd Mar 2017, 9:49 PM edit delete reply
Ah, that makes things clearer, thank you.
antrik 23rd Mar 2017, 10:19 PM edit delete reply
That does indeed clarify a lot. I was under the assumption that a "shuttle" is always a landing craft; and thus that they were going to the Mars surface, while Antares was doing a stop in orbit before continuing on to some other destination...
Gilrandir 22nd Mar 2017, 8:39 PM edit delete reply
When Galatea visits New Troy, does she wear an "I am an android" t-shirt, or does she rely on her status as an Epiphyte ambassador to provide her with diplomatic immunity from New Troy's "androids shouldn't look too human" laws?

For that matter, I wonder how much overlap there is between her design and Dolly's series 5 prototype? Seems silly to assume Calliope hasn't known for decades about the Epiphyte's practice with regard to their human envoy-androids.
Centcomm 22nd Mar 2017, 8:57 PM edit delete reply

Galatea is a ambassador with all the perks that entails.

Any Epiphyte " construction " items that found its way into Dolly would have had to come from from them or someone that knows the tech.
Gilrandir 22nd Mar 2017, 10:32 PM edit delete reply
"Ambassador" isn't (typically) a title that goes anywhere with you like "Doctor" or "Countess". The perquisites generally depend on your credentials having been accepted by whatever foreign government to whom you are sent. So, as far as I know, if the American Ambassador to France goes on holiday in Germany, they do not enjoy diplomatic immunity while on German soil -- unless they are also the American Ambassador to Germany. (Of course, you can have things work however you want in DataChasers.)

So, unless there is an overall World Government capable of granting carte blanche to Galatea everywhere in humanspace, for Galatea to enjoy immunity in New Troy means she's an envoy to New Troy. I suppose she could separately and independently have been named Ambassador to New Troy, Nova Roma, New Sparta, and Luna -- but I hadn't gotten that 'vibe'.

It would probably be easier if the Epiphytes had actual ambassadors (like Tulip, Roseblossom, etc.) for each separate government, but then make sure Galatea's name appears on each embassy's personnel list as something like "Attaché for helping the Ambassador speak to Humans". Embassy personnel still get immunity, but don't have to shoulder all the responsibilities of being the ultimate authority to speak on behalf of their people.

As far as construction details -- understood that Epiphyte components have to come from Epiphytes. But, when it comes to reverse engineering an existing piece of hardware (such as android bodies indistinguishable from humans), the aphorism is "the hardest part is simply realizing it can be done". If Calliope has had decades to observe Galina-series androids in operation and reviews ordinary news reports on their doings and behaviors I'm sure it would provide insights and motivation to her own design process just because she can see that the Epiphytes have already solved the problem, so there must be a solution. At least, that would make sense to me.
Tokyo Rose 23rd Mar 2017, 4:30 AM edit delete reply

@Gilrandir

You nailed it. The Epiphytes do have independent ambassadors, but Galatea has "attaché" status for each embassy. She's immune to local laws regarding android aesthetics.

Also, Galatea isn't indistinguishable from human; the Epiphytes took a slightly different approach to the hardware aspects of creating their Speakers, but they're still noticeably artificial when scanned. There isn't a lot of overlap with Dolly's "Model 5", as Calliope was working in a different direction too.
antrik 23rd Mar 2017, 10:28 PM edit delete reply
Wouldn't you say the Epiphyte-green eyes are sufficient to tell she is not human? Sure, some humans have greenish eyes too -- but I don't think they are ever that saturated?...
Gilrandir 23rd Mar 2017, 11:17 PM edit delete reply
I take the creatrices at their word that Galatea was created by the Epiphytes to be identical in appearance to Galina, and I assume the Epiphytes to be up to the task of accomplishing this. As I recall, Galina was specifically constructed to 'pass' as human (to visual inspection), so if she could, then that implies Galatea can as well. (Not including higher-tech and more penetrative scans.)

Of course, just because diplomatic immunity allows you to ignore or flout laws of the host country with with impunity doesn't mean that you will. However, what little we have seen of her temperament, plus the commentary from the creatrices suggests to me that she takes a positive delight in flouting that particular law to the consternation of whoever she manages to shock and appall by so doing. No doubt she considers it some form of test -- if anyone is so wrong-headed as to disagree with her about whether she should be 'allowed' to 'pass' as human, they deserve to suffer for their opinion. ^_^
antrik 24th Mar 2017, 4:45 PM edit delete reply
Remember that Galina originally had obviously cybernetic blue eyes -- they only became green after the Epiphytes fixed her up...

(Thinking about it, it seems odd that visibly cybernetic eyes are the preferred way to distinguish Androids, when in fact some humans have this kind of eyes as well...)

Also, I wouldn't say that Galina was specifically constructed to pass for human. More like, she was meant to *be* as much human as possible, within the legal constraints -- her looks being just a natural part of this, rather than an intentional deception...
rufiangel 22nd Mar 2017, 10:35 PM edit delete reply

<3 I love how much we learn about a new character within a single page! X3 I love Galatea already. What a spunky gal, though a tad bit reckless and impulsive, still has the guts to get back at an ass for being one XD;; Roseblossom is such a gentle mama-type, too! :D
Centcomm 23rd Mar 2017, 11:13 AM edit delete reply

Yep she is.. Most of the Epips have that parental thing down pat. They even have the 'Mom' Look and if your a human they really CAN tell if you are fibbing. :D And yes Gali is a bit of a spitfire thats why shes grounded for piloting for a bit.
mjkj 23rd Mar 2017, 12:16 PM edit delete reply

*sighs* Gali... *sighs forlorn*
megados 23rd Mar 2017, 7:18 PM edit delete reply

Aww, don't be forlorn, mjkj. Reading Luna Star again is a good pick-me-up! :D
megados 23rd Mar 2017, 6:35 AM edit delete reply

This page, and the comments are jam-packed with information-y goodness! :D
Morituri 23rd Mar 2017, 11:17 AM edit delete reply
Okay, it's because I'm a silly person who gets stuck on tiny details. I get that. But ... why are Galatea's eyes black-on-green in panel 5, and green-on-black in panel 6? It can't have been an accident; if you change models between frames, that's a positive action that you chose to do, not an oversight. But I don't know how to interpret it. Does it convey anything I'm not understanding?
Morituri 23rd Mar 2017, 11:23 AM edit delete reply
Roseblossom. I meant Roseblossom and I said Galatea. Baka.
Gilrandir 23rd Mar 2017, 11:46 AM edit delete reply
I think in both panel 5 & 6 the eyes are the same (black eyeball, green iris which covers a large part of the exposed eye, and black pupil). It is (I suspect) just a trick of the light and shadow that in one panel the green of the iris is much more noticeable and dominant, while in the other panel the eyeball and pupil dominate the overall impression conveyed.
Centcomm 23rd Mar 2017, 1:10 PM edit delete reply

Trick of the lights. A black gemstone like material is used for the majority of the eye and a emerald gemstone is used for the green part sometimes it looks odd. Also the outer surface is a glass like material so sometimes that reflects oddly.
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