Comic 1502 - Legacy - Page 5

29th Jun 2017, 9:00 PM
Legacy - Page 5
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HiFranc 29th Jun 2017, 9:10 PM edit delete reply

Poor Kaye. 30 years without company? The fact that she is still sane after so long is a testimony to her resilience.
Sheela 29th Jun 2017, 11:22 PM edit delete reply

Yeah, the loneliness must have been bad.
Rashala 29th Jun 2017, 11:29 PM edit delete reply

Three words conditional sleep mode
Sheela 30th Jun 2017, 6:15 AM edit delete reply

Even so ... 30 years is a loooong time.
Ebonbolt 30th Jun 2017, 11:52 PM edit delete reply

Might explain her slow reactions on the prior page. She put herself in a "sleep" state to conserve energy (& sanity). Nayeli's arrival woke her up, but not instantly.
megados 29th Jun 2017, 9:12 PM edit delete reply

Thirty years! Kaye HAS been there a long time! It seems she and Nayeli have become friends. Can Nayeli keep her promise?
Haegan2005 29th Jun 2017, 9:13 PM edit delete reply

That is a heck of a power source she is sporting. Thirty years? And it all alone? I'm surprised she is still sane.
Sheela 29th Jun 2017, 11:23 PM edit delete reply

She might still be able to recharge inside the craft.
Mark_L_A 29th Jun 2017, 9:21 PM edit delete reply

I hope she had enough processed food cartridges or was able to eat some of the grasses or insects around her to keep her biological components running.

that actually might be why she was getting weaker actually. Her bio's require certain trace elements which the flora and fauna near her wouldn't have. So her systems are slowly weakening.
Centcomm 29th Jun 2017, 11:28 PM edit delete reply

She is a much older model.. Shes all bio-plastics. Also She has been eating .. whatever she can get her hands on. She thankfully can process that for her synth-brain. As for her power source shes sporting a older fusion loop power cell. similar to what Galina used. There are downsides to it. as they found out.
Sheela 29th Jun 2017, 11:36 PM edit delete reply

The craft may still have a little powerplant running, like the nuclear batteries (radioisotope thermal generators ) used in the ice sea buoys. It may even have a small foodprocessor that can craft Food Cartridges for her brain.
Timotheus 30th Jun 2017, 12:35 AM edit delete reply

You see, her suit is actually made out of a solar recharging material for emergencies so as long as she can sit on the rock in the sunshine for an adequate amount of time it keeps her batteries fully charged. (I've seen survival jackets and back packs that had solar panels sewn on them to help keep radio/flash lights charged.)
megados 30th Jun 2017, 7:25 AM edit delete reply

I actually have less trouble with seeing ways she could keep up her energy, and more trouble with her being utterly alone for thirty years. Unless she could go into some sort of self-imposed stasis, it might have been all she could do to keep from going bonkers.
Centcomm 30th Jun 2017, 12:21 PM edit delete reply

She is able to hibernate going into a minimal power survival mode to preserve her supply. Again also remember she has a fusion cell power unit. It would last a long time.
antrik 3rd Jul 2017, 11:13 AM edit delete reply
Yeah, that's what I have been thinking as well: fusion power sources tend to have a pretty long life span -- such as that annoying (though indispensable) bright thing in the sky ;-)

OTOH, I assumed that the power cell slowly deteriorating is why she was becoming weaker over time?...
The Old Scribe 29th Jun 2017, 9:39 PM edit delete reply

I wonder how many people are in Nayeli's tribe and how come they've never found Kaye and the crash site in thirty years? I'm also wondering why Kaye's people never found her or did they just stop looking? You'd think her ship would have a tracking device unless it was damaged in the crash.

Also, Kaye must be heavily damaged internally and virtually immobile not to have figured out some way to escape. I wonder if Nayeli could bring Kaye some food to build up her strength? Interesting story line, Dizz.
DizzasterJuice 30th Jun 2017, 8:03 AM edit delete reply

Years ago when I was in college in Tennessee, some of my classmates found a vertical cave a bit deeper than this one. We decided that it must contain some lost cache of confederate gold, so we set out to explore it. We didn't find any gold but we did find a cache of confederate enfield pattern rifled muskets and ammo, most of which were corroded beyond recognition but still valuable to collectors. My point is that if we hadn't intentionally gone looking, it never would have been found.

I don't think Nayeli's people are intentionally looking for something that they're not supposed to look at.
guest 30th Jun 2017, 10:55 AM edit delete reply
and Nayeli was not looking for this,, she was tracking a kill...
and im guessing ,, since Kaye is not a VIP,, rescue did the pattern search,, and she was out side of it,, an wrote her off as KIA / destroyed..
DizzasterJuice 30th Jun 2017, 11:35 AM edit delete reply

Usually when an aircraft isn't found it's because they deviated from their flight plan or didn't file one.
megados 30th Jun 2017, 12:11 PM edit delete reply

@guest does make a valid point, though. If Kaye is/was a VIP, a lot more effort would have been put forth to ensure her rescue. For a regular citizen, a certain amount of searching might take place, but it may not be as extensive as it might be for a prominent one.
Stormwind13 30th Jun 2017, 6:31 PM edit delete reply

Actually megados (and guest), as concealed as the crash (and Kaye) was from the rim a search could have run over them and not found her. I was struck by how deep into the pit Nayeli was before she realized she wasn't alone.
Gilrandir 30th Jun 2017, 12:36 PM edit delete reply
True, @DizzasterJuice. Unless the mishap happens over the deep ocean, a falling aircraft typically makes a noticeable impression on the local countryside. ^_^ If you know the right general area in which to look, from the flight plan, the debris will usually be manifest. (Which is only fair, since the manifest will usually be debris. ^_^)
guest 2nd Jul 2017, 8:20 AM edit delete reply
:) as i sed before.. words don't work well..
i worked SAR in the Marines in Hawaii,, wen a mayday is called, we check known flight path, then possible deviations ie: landing zones, old runways, an shipping lanes.. at last cordanance ( if given ) we start a spiral search pattern till known survival time runs out..
sooo in Kaye's case, the crash site did not look like a " crash site " an got over looked ore was just out of the search pattern ..
mjkj 30th Jun 2017, 12:09 AM edit delete reply

Awwww... Nayeli came back...

...and that scene is soo cute...

Ooohhh... poor Kaye... already 30 years...

...how did she get her energy restored???

cattservant 30th Jun 2017, 3:01 AM edit delete reply

Time dilates.
guest 30th Jun 2017, 11:21 AM edit delete reply
also TWC voting day,, where will tmi and DC end up..??? at 12 tmi an 15 DC now..
im betting tmi will jump to 7 and DC will drop to 23...
then tmi will hold in top 10 for first week.. while DC will jump +- 5 the first week..
..IF.. ! the TWC voting trend holds...
guest 1st Jul 2017, 1:43 PM edit delete reply
color me surprised,, an called it... wha..
tmi actually dropped 6... an DC starts at 23 the third month in a row..
but congrats DizzasterJuice on making it to 14..
Deoxy 30th Jun 2017, 2:30 PM edit delete reply
Yeah, that makes sense - the hole is indeed the crash site, so it would have to be many years old to have all that stuff growing.

The main problem I see is that her clothing should be more worn.
antrik 3rd Jul 2017, 11:08 AM edit delete reply
While the crash *might* have been instrumental in creating this hole, I'm pretty sure it didn't create it alone... Rather, I believe the hole must have been created by the collapse of an existing cavity -- which might or might not have been triggered by the crash.

There are several reasons why I think this. For one, the author called it a sink hole... A sink hole is a collapsed cavity. An impact crater is not a sink hole.

Also, the hole just doesn't look like an impact crater at all...

Last but not least, an impact strong enough to create such a crater, would have turned the craft into a rather compact, nondescript lump of metal.

Admittedly, I might be over-thinking that last one: it's a fantasy setting, after all -- if we believe in anti-gravity and transfer matrices, I guess we can just as well believe in energy shields somehow dispersing the kinetic energy of the object, while keeping it (almost) unaffected otherwise...
Nomi 30th Jun 2017, 6:15 PM edit delete reply
I love Nayeli's cute little face.
Stormwind13 30th Jun 2017, 6:50 PM edit delete reply

As antrik said last page, Nayeli is lost. I mean, look at how friendly she has already gotten with Kaye (soulless it). When her tribes finds her here, they will kill Kaye and possibly Nayeli too. Or exile her to be alone (as Kaye was) as karma comes and bites her. :-p
KarToon12 30th Jun 2017, 7:21 PM edit delete reply

Aww, somehow I knew they'd become friends. :)
Keera 1st Jul 2017, 1:29 PM edit delete reply
For a person who has a broken back or so they claim. Sure can move their legs and position a lot.
HiFranc 1st Jul 2017, 3:35 PM edit delete reply

Even among humans, a broken back doesn't always mean total loss of control. Remember that she isn't a human so a broken back may not be as harmful. Maybe the signals that are getting through are uncoordinated and not all the information is being received? Maybe she can't risk a climb because her spine would move to far apart and break the link to her legs.
guest 1st Jul 2017, 4:41 PM edit delete reply
my friend (Angie ) broke her back 10 years ago,, she cant control her legs but she can feel.. so she moves her legs all the time so dont fall asleep.. an most the time she moves her legs without thinking bout it..
megados 1st Jul 2017, 5:12 PM edit delete reply

I don't think that a broken back in an android is exactly equivalent to a broken back in a human. In Kaye's case, it may mean a structural deficiency in which it is no longer capable of load bearing, but sensory, and motor signals are intact. One should note that androids don't experience pain the same way. It has been said that it is more of an alarm being given, indicating damage or malfunction. She could be careful how she moves, so as not to worsen the problem, but still retain limited movement.

Dizzaster Juice mentioned that it is a complicated problem. (as the inner workings of androids tend to be)
DizzasterJuice 1st Jul 2017, 8:14 PM edit delete reply

She doesn't have a broken back. Kaye said "To put it simply..." meaning in terms that a young tribal girl could understand. If Kaye said "My ZMP (Zero Moment Point) system was damaged in the crash", then Nayeli wouldn't understand why she can't walk. It's easier to just say broken back than explain why and how.

"Zero moment point" specifies the point where the total of horizontal inertia and gravity forces equals 0. An android can move their legs without it but they can't stand or walk.
knuut 1st Jul 2017, 9:10 PM edit delete reply
The ZMP seems to be mostly a necessary control feature for bipeds. Would she not be able to function as a triped or quadruped ... ie crawl?
DizzasterJuice 1st Jul 2017, 9:39 PM edit delete reply

That's just an example. I'm sure androids are more advanced and have equally advanced problems.
Centcomm 2nd Jul 2017, 12:57 AM edit delete reply

I like the Zero point movement.. :D
Sheela 2nd Jul 2017, 11:45 AM edit delete reply

While it has been said, that pain is more like an alarm going off, it is also s aid to be a REALLY LOUD alarm !
megados 2nd Jul 2017, 12:10 PM edit delete reply

Loud Alarm :D

Hrist's alarm might have been considerably louder; she had a lot more damage than a busted Zero Moment Point. :D
Oldarmourer 23rd Jul 2019, 11:44 AM edit delete reply
Someone may reread and find this, I don't know, but...
About two months after this strip originally ran, I managed to break my back, L3/L4 dislocated, L4/L5 dislocated, L5 broken in two places and partly crushed, S1 partly crushed.

I never lost sensation in my legs, although I wished I had for quite awhile, since the spinal cord wasn't affected other than being pinched and bent a little.

I wasn't completely immobile but I sure as hell didn't want to move and it took me a solid fifteen minutes of hard cursing and a lot of attempts to stand up from a chair.

I can see where an android having a somewhat similar but radically different setup would be in a completely different situation.

I'd think that to break an android's metal or at least carbon fibre or something stronger than bone spinal column, there would be damage to sub processors, signal relays and amplifiers, the zero moment reference point mentioned, etc. there may well be movement in the legs, I never had any trouble moving mine while I was sitting or lying down, but there could be a great deal of difficulty translating that to any effective use.

What we have to remember is that androids LOOK like humans but they aren't necessarily BUILT like humans and while some systems are very similar in function and design, since evolution optimized that form for bipedal movement, and they may well have 'fixed' some of the shortcomings in our under-engineered and far too delicate spine, what happens when an android's 'spine' is injured may be something completely different than when a human one is damaged.

I like this short, I like Diz's work, I just think we need to let the story happen instead of trying to force human anatomy on an engineered lifeform that has a lot of improvements over our fragile frames but also might have a completely different reaction to an injury than we would due to it's design.
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