Comic 1505 - Legacy - Page 8

6th Jul 2017, 9:15 PM
Legacy - Page 8
Average Rating: 5 (19 votes)

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megados 6th Jul 2017, 10:00 PM edit delete reply

It is clear they loved and cared for each other. It is a bittersweet moment, happy for Kaye; she died with someone she loved, but sad for Nayeli; someone she loved has died. Nayeli has the recording to remember her by; the only mother she has ever known. She might have to keep knowledge of that from her people.
HiFranc 6th Jul 2017, 10:23 PM edit delete reply

Do those recordings have a player?
Centcomm 6th Jul 2017, 10:31 PM edit delete reply

its a all in one .. player and recorder.
Gilrandir 6th Jul 2017, 10:40 PM edit delete reply
I don't want to prematurely conclude that the side story arc is necessarily complete, or that it is not. It is an interesting and (to me) unexpected development that Kaye would terminate so soon after finally being found.

However, it also raises some more of those knotty questions about how things work in the DataChasers universe. For example: Was Kaye out of body-debt when she decided to terminate (rather than flash backup)? Would it have made a difference if she was or was not? Is an android in body debt allowed to self-terminate (and if so, is it ethical) or should they be constrained to continue earning until their debt is paid off? I expect that, in addition to her literary library legacy for Nayeli, Kaye provided a final report to whichever agency sent her on that mission so long ago because, presumably, she would be back in communication with people back home. So, why didn't anyone back there try to talk her out of terminating? Did she have no friends or family still extant?

When the line between 'person' and 'tool' becomes blurred, then the social laws and conventions in place regarding continuation of identity and termination take on (in my opinion) some new and fascinating ramifications. Lovely and thought-provoking.
Tokyo Rose 6th Jul 2017, 11:48 PM edit delete reply

Under New Troy laws, androids get 100 years and that's it. Their state of body debt is irrelevant.
Greenwood Goat 7th Jul 2017, 1:34 AM edit delete reply
What, even Dolly? Calliope can't wangle anything for her? And is it an automatic kill-switch, or do they have to report for deactivation? Either way, they would presumably be programmed to accept this. In most cases. I would question how TeeDee of the non-standard personality and the upgrades of questionable legality would view this.

TeeDee: (counts down on chronometer) Five.. four.. three.. two.. one.. aaand here's to the mandatory deactivation of Unit TDE-K132-3F, and the extent to which it can go fuck itself! *drains glass* *throws glass against wall* *slaps down more money on bar* Same again - for everyone! If anyone wants me, I'll be out in the Waste! If anyone from New Troy wants me, they'd better pray I don't see them first! *whistles* Ripper!

Ripper: *charges in through door*

Everyone else: *backs away from TeeDee's pet scythe lizard*

TeeDee: *mounts in style* I'm off the hook, people! TeeDee's going freelance!

Bun Bun: *poing!* Attagirl! *high fives TeeDee*

TeeDee: Yeeehah! *gallops Ripper out through the bar-room door and off into the Wasteland sunset*

>:=)>
Tokyo Rose 7th Jul 2017, 4:23 AM edit delete reply

Yes, even Dolly.

Androids DO have to report for deactivation; since they are trackable anywhere inside New Troy, they can't just hide under the bed or behind the coat rack or something.

However... Cent-Comm will not "waste city resources" to track down "runners" who leave the geographical regions that are under New Troy control.

This situation almost inevitably creates, as you can imagine, quite a brisk trade for people like Mister Black, who can provide new identity packages and discreet transportation to Somewhere The Fuck Else.
HiFranc 11th Jul 2017, 4:14 PM edit delete reply

They have to report for deactivation? I thought that they would just have vital components that wear down (and physically cannot be replaced or repaired).
Stormwind13 7th Jul 2017, 8:13 AM edit delete reply

I'm wondering if Calliope developed the 5 trying to get Dolly around the law, GG. If she is 'human' she wouldn't need to be limited to 100 years. And her body can pass for human, Breaker sure seemed to think she was human. Under CLOSE inspection even! :-D
megados 7th Jul 2017, 8:43 AM edit delete reply

Interesting you should say that, Stormwind. I hadn't thought of it that way. I hadn't considered that she might have thought of skirting the law. My simplistic view was that she developed the Model 5 as an exercise in advancing android tech, and it was to be given to Dolly initially as a token of their great esteem. Then the kidnapping happened .. .
Gilrandir 7th Jul 2017, 9:27 AM edit delete reply
It does suggest an interesting direction for the storyline to go ... (Although, to be honest, we don't know Calliope's opinion of the Lifespan Statutes in general. There are many people, for example, who believe that anti-littering laws are wonderful and should be strictly enforced --- except for me! ^_^)

Assuming Calliope is generally opposed to the Lifespan Statutes, and one of her motivations for developing the Model 5 was to, in some way, create additional political pressure for their amendment or repeal; and further assuming that she is unsuccessful at persuading the New Troy ruling council to amend or repeal the statute, imagine the tangled web that should ensue if the Taylor family packed up their personal belongings, lock, stock, and barrel and applied to Nova Roma for political asylum! (They have connections with influential people there.) Obviously the Lifespan Statutes of New Troy would be unenforceable in Nova Roma, but it would certainly put CentComm in a cleft stick, torn between her allegiance to the New Troy ruling council and her special relationship with the descendants of Helios Taylor. Not to mention the adventures of the pro-android foreigners dealing with a still largely anti-android local culture.

But nothing like that would ever happen and it is foolish of me to speculate on it. ^_^
Tokyo Rose 7th Jul 2017, 7:13 PM edit delete reply

@Gilrandir

Except that in (as you point out) anti-android New Rome, Dolly would be legally forced to wear an inhibitor, and literally anyone who didn't mind paying a fine for "destruction of personal property" could kill her. So not really an improvement, by any measure.
Gilrandir 7th Jul 2017, 8:22 PM edit delete reply
Life under the Sword of Damocles may still be argued to be better than no life at all. And an Imperial Decree forbidding destruction of Dolly would seem to answer the 'destruction of personal property' option. (Acantha could name her an Ambulatory Historical Landmark, and therefore a protected part of the city's infrastructure -- permitted to be privately owned, so long as the owners maintain her in a historically accurate way. ^_^)

The Cassians get by with inhibitors. I'm not saying any of them would be happy about it, but if the alternative is buying lawn furniture with the "Contains at least 50% post-consumer plastic" label as a way of staying close to Dolly after the deadline, it might not be such a bad alternative.
Gilrandir 7th Jul 2017, 2:15 AM edit delete reply
Lot of incentive, therefore, for androids in their 95th year to take out huge loans for expensive Model 4 chassis and enjoy a last fling at life. ^_^

What if Kaye were carrying a sensitive and encrypted message (at age 80, or so) when her courier ship crashed? There she is, at the bottom of the pit, all alone and incommunicado, when her 100th birthday rolls around. (Before Nayeli finds her, for the sake of argument.) Is she unable to continue functioning -- resulting in the loss of the message and consequent tragedy? Or is she forced to self-terminate, resulting in similar tragedy? Or is hanging on until rescued (hardware permitting) a possibility, allowing the message to be passed on before terminating gracefully? After all, there is no one in New Troy's law enforcement organization present to enforce the lifespan statutes. And she is, technically, outside the city.
DizzasterJuice 7th Jul 2017, 3:25 AM edit delete reply

She wasn't on a mission, she was running away from mandatory 100 year retirement and stole a broken down get-away vehicle. She never filed a flight plan and that's why she was never found.

"Nothing we can do for her" is probably more like nothing we will do for her.
Stormwind13 7th Jul 2017, 5:35 AM edit delete reply

So, she was doing a Logan's Run or even Blade Runner, Dizz? I guess neither totally applies since no one was actively hunting her. Interesting nonetheless.
Gilrandir 7th Jul 2017, 6:56 AM edit delete reply
Ah! I hadn't picked up on that at all! Thank you, @DizzasterJuice. That actually explains a number of things nicely.

It still leaves my questions open, mind, because they were just inspired by my understanding of what I saw and I hadn't realized Kaye was a fugitive from the Lifespan Statutes. But Kaye being a fugitive makes a lot of sense.
antrik 7th Jul 2017, 9:07 AM edit delete reply
So when she said she just wanted to get home, that was a lie to put Nayeli at ease? That would certainly explain why she "accepted" so easily that Nayeli can't help her... I'm surprised though that in all these years, she never told her the truth.
Hornet 7th Jul 2017, 5:51 AM edit delete reply
Okay I can understand why the synth-body would have a term limit. But why the hell would anyone terminate a spark???
megados 7th Jul 2017, 7:00 AM edit delete reply

It is New Troy law, such that androids don't have yet another huge advantage over humans.
Centcomm 8th Jul 2017, 10:33 AM edit delete reply

although The system is set up so that body debt is paid off in 5 to 10 years.
HiFranc 11th Jul 2017, 4:09 PM edit delete reply

In real life people are statistically more likely to die on their birthday, at Christmas, etc. It is possible that people find a way of holding on but scientists are unsure of the reason why.
Rashala 6th Jul 2017, 11:13 PM edit delete reply

I really hat.e it when I am right about stuff like this.
Morituri 6th Jul 2017, 11:29 PM edit delete reply
Nayeli's outfit seems impractical.

And, wow. She spent at least five years in there since you found her, kid. And now you're finally bringing help. I mean, nice that you became friends, but I think maybe you're going to wake up feeling guilty sometimes for the rest of your life there....
The Old Scribe 7th Jul 2017, 12:04 AM edit delete reply

It's practical for her tribe and her lifestyle.

Nayeli was too young to go for help when she first found Kaye. When Kaye finally exhibited symptoms of distress five years later, then Nayeli sought help.
DizzasterJuice 7th Jul 2017, 3:30 AM edit delete reply

Page 6 "The mark to say that she can see her own destiny" means the tribe wouldn't let her leave before then. She probably could have tried to sneak away for 3 weeks but then when she got back it would be big trouble.
mjkj 6th Jul 2017, 11:29 PM edit delete reply

Awwwwwwww.... she did not make it... =( *sniffs*

...wow, what a gift... =0

The Old Scribe 7th Jul 2017, 12:09 AM edit delete reply

That was a great story, Dizz. Stunning artwork as usual. At least Kaye died with her loved one, not in some lab, like she said. I wonder if Nayeli will lead her tribe one day and overcome their fear of modern humanity and their machines.
DizzasterJuice 7th Jul 2017, 3:32 AM edit delete reply

One more page yet.
mjkj 7th Jul 2017, 4:09 AM edit delete reply

Great =)
Stormwind13 7th Jul 2017, 5:47 AM edit delete reply

It will be good to get some closure, mjkj. I'm just hoping the last page isn't something like a pyre with a burned body or something equally gruesome. Especially without captions so we would never know exactly what happened. :-7

Hopefully it will let us know what happened to Nayeli. Kind of hoping Nayeli survives, but expecting the worst (the EVIL duo approved of it after all).
Centcomm 7th Jul 2017, 11:18 AM edit delete reply

the last page is pretty awesome actually.. "D
Stormwind13 7th Jul 2017, 1:52 PM edit delete reply

Now I'm truly TERRIFIED about what the last page holds... If the (EVIL) CentComm thinks it is awesome... :-O
guest 7th Jul 2017, 7:03 AM edit delete reply
as with any grate story ,, there's "always" one more page... :)
Thomas 7th Jul 2017, 8:38 AM edit delete reply
Ah, bittersweet. The best kind of sweet.
lalverson 7th Jul 2017, 2:32 PM edit delete reply

This interlude has been and still is first rate stuff that does indeed belong in this universe. It's well done, well thought out and expertly posed. Solid lighting and storytelling on par with Cent and Rose. While I did think this was going to happen it was done so well as it kept the story alive. I would not mind seeing more of this young lady as she continues to seek her path.
guest 7th Jul 2017, 2:42 PM edit delete reply
second that.. seeing more of this lady / story ..
KarToon12 7th Jul 2017, 3:28 PM edit delete reply

Something tells me she'll then pass those stories onto her own people after listening to them first.
DLKmusic 7th Jul 2017, 6:40 PM edit delete reply

I might be a voice of one on this, but Dizzy's comment above... "Not that there is nothing they can do for her, but nothing they WILL do for her"... Kinda lends credence to the whole "no Souls" dictum.
Gilrandir 8th Jul 2017, 11:23 AM edit delete reply
This is just wild speculation, @DLKmusic, and I regret that it is not possible to express it in a way that is likely to make you feel good, or to cast doubt on your hypothesis, but consider ...

1) Kaye was supposedly already past her Lifespan limit when she took the craft and made her escape. (Page 8, panel 1)
2) Kaye then continued in a damaged state for approximately forty years. (Page 8, panel 1)
3) Kaye was still functional when the New Troy team arrived. (Page 8, panel 3)
4) Kaye stopped functioning shortly after the New Troy team's arrival from 'undisclosed causes'. (Page 8, panel 4)

To me this points to a couple of conclusions:
1) The New Troy team didn't just watch Kaye terminate, they euthanized her.
2) Kaye knew this would be the result when Nayeli left for the outpost, but did not confide the likely consequences to Nayeli.

This implies Lost In Translation levels of drama. If her existence had become a burden, it seems likely she could use her internal mechanisms to self-terminate quietly and peacefully after talking it over with Nayeli and giving her the gift of the library data personally. If she wanted to continue being with Nayeli, even though crippled, the time to come clean was before Nayeli set off for the outpost. And, if she needed the help of the New Troy team to safely and gracefully terminate, then Nayeli would have almost certainly witnessed the process.

No matter how it actually played out, it seems there is at least one crucial conversation that happened 'off-camera' that has vast and significant implications for Nayeli's future attitudes and opinions. This may well be what is addressed in the final page ... or not. But, as far as degrees of 'soullessness' possessed by the response team ... one supposes that depends on your opinions about things like euthanasia, medically-assisted suicide, and capital punishment.
megados 8th Jul 2017, 1:07 PM edit delete reply

The following is just my opinion, of course, but I did not make the leap to euthanasia. My take on it was that Kaye was near death, and hung on until Nayeli got back to speak with her one last time, and give her closure. You could, however, indeed be correct, @Gilrandir. *edit, I forgot to mention another salient point: Euthanasia would be an important enough event, that it's less likely to occur 'between panels',or off camera, I.E. I think it would have been shown.

As such, my interpretation was that, as Dizzaster Juice said there was nothing they WOULD do, as saving Kaye would be in direct violation of the law, and there would be undisclosed consequences. Those would have to be weighed against any desire they may have to help Kaye, both operationally, and morally. In other words they may well believe the law is immoral and wrong, and otherwise would be glad to render aid, but do not want to bring the weight of the law down upon their heads.

This may be another failure to assuage your feelings on this, @DLKmusic, but it may not be soullessness which prevents their intervention.
DLKmusic 8th Jul 2017, 6:02 PM edit delete reply

@Gilrandir and @Megados: My "Souless" comment wasn't directly aimed at the response team, but at their Society in general. There are a lot of issues/hot topics here as you mentioned, Gilrandir... Capitol punishment (which I support on a limited basis), Assisted Suicide (I see valid points on both sides of the argument), and Euthanasia.

Euthanasia in particular, I had to put my cat down after 17 years, 9 of which he had been battling Diabetes... The Diabetis went into remission, but a growth developed on his jaw and grew so large that he couldn't eat, and he was too old to operate on. My choices were Euthanize or watch him starve to death. Alternately, I could have fed him intravenously and watched him suffer for another year or so, but my attitude had always been "as long as he can still be still live his life like a cat, there's still hope". I believe putting him down was the best choice for him, but its almost 2 years later, and I still wake up in the middle of the night to pet him and he's not there anymore, and then I try to go back to sleep, and I see his face when he looked at me as the vet gave him the shot.

I understand Euthanasia in these terms. But to Euthanize someone because of their age, regardless of what they are still capable of is something that I find morally and ethically repulsive, repugnant, and despicable.

If we accept that androids in the DC world are as human as the humans are (which I have, by the way), then destroying them at a certain age regardless of their ability to function in life is a "godless" act.

I'm not trying to start an argument, just stating my own personal feelings on the matter, which will not change. I will get down from my soap box now, and if you want to throw those tomatoes at me, give me a second and I will put on the bulls-eye t-shirt to give you a better target to aim at.

PS. Thank you Dizzy. This may be a dark story, but it is beautifully written and illustrated. My comments on this subject may be negative in tone, but that negativity is correctly aimed at the subject matter, and not in any way shape or form at the story-teller. or his craft. Also, it is the mark of a good story teller that he/she can bring to light an uncomfortable subject without judging that subject when he tells the story, and you have done that, quite admirably.
Gilrandir 8th Jul 2017, 10:40 PM edit delete reply
My condolences on your loss, @DLKmusic.
Tokyo Rose 9th Jul 2017, 12:25 AM edit delete reply

@DLKmusic

I also had to make that decision for a cat of mine who was diabetic. The slightest upset to his stomach caused serious vomiting, which in turn threw him into a sort of systemic free-fall as the fluid loss upset his endocrine balance. He had to be rushed to the emergency vet more than once while we tried to manage his situation. At the end, gastroparesis began to manifest--his digestive tract was shutting down. Continued management was only going to prolong his suffering, not offer any hope of recovery. I had to make that call, and I held him while the vet did what I desperately wish to this day did not have to be done. I sympathize on all possible levels with your loss.

So, yeah, the android enforced-termination laws are a situation written into the story that gets a massive emotional reaction from me, and dealing with it in-story will be... exhausting.
megados 9th Jul 2017, 4:34 AM edit delete reply

Very sorry for your loss, @DLKmusic.
We have had similar situations numerous times over my lifetime. It is something one never gets used to; it never gets any easier. The latest for us was the second of two dogs we had. She had been getting arthritic as she got older, and we were already having to help her at times. Then finally, she had a stroke. I had a very similar experience at the vet's, and whether sleeping or awake during the day something will remind me, or put the thought in my head. We still have three cats, and two of them are getting on in years. Thinking to the future is scary sometimes.
guest 9th Jul 2017, 7:55 AM edit delete reply
... ok as a EMT , im gonna do every thing possible to save your life.!! BUT.! if you tell me, you want to die here with friends and Family,. instead of stabilized an taken back an executed,,, well how can i make you comfortable...
my job is to save your life.!! but if you dont want to be saved...
DLKmusic 9th Jul 2017, 10:27 AM edit delete reply

@Rose, Gilrandir, & Megados: Thank you all, I know I'm not the only one who's ever had to make that call, and it's not easy for any of us. I would like to offer my condolences in return for each of you as well.

@Guest: I understand the viewpoint of an Emergency Response in these situations, and like I said, my argument is not with how they reacted or what they did or did not do. Sometimes the best thing to do is to make someone as comfortable as possible for their final moments. My Argument is with the Rules of a society that caused this to be a situation in the first place.

@Rose: I understand that the "Spoiler Alert" flag is raised here, and I am absolutely looking forward to this issue being dealt with in story, however you and Cent decide to treat it. But I am also making known on no uncertain terms where my moral stance on the subject is, and will do so un-apologetically.
Keera 7th Jul 2017, 8:28 PM edit delete reply
Why did it take so long for a rescue, and took someone from a nontechnical culture to do the rescuing?
Centcomm 8th Jul 2017, 1:07 AM edit delete reply

Because no one was looking..
megados 8th Jul 2017, 6:09 AM edit delete reply

Without making political comment, your assessment might be wrong, because the timeline of the administration does not coincide with the timeline within the story. ;)
Tokyo Rose 8th Jul 2017, 8:15 AM edit delete reply

This comment has been orphaned because I removed the comment from whence it sprang.
megados 8th Jul 2017, 8:53 AM edit delete reply

Thanks for letting me know. You could have/can get rid of it, if you would rather. I would, but I don't want to start a never ending cycle of orphaned comments. :)
Gilrandir 8th Jul 2017, 1:02 PM edit delete reply
Step 1: Make Comment
"This comment is not long for this world"

Step 2: Make Reply
"This comment is not long for this world
..... How sad. It has so much to live for."

Step 3: Declare Intent
"This comment is not long for this world
..... How sad. It has so much to live for.
...........This comment has been orphaned because I removed that from which it sprung"

Step 4: Remove Comment
"How sad. It has so much to live for.
.....This comment has been orphaned because I removed that from which it sprung"

[Note: We can now repeat steps 3 and 4 indefinitely with complete correctness for as long as our inclinations persist. ^_^]

Step 5: Complete The Irony
"This comment has been orphaned because I removed that from which it sprung"

[Observe how, in step 5, the meaning changes completely, even though not a single word of the comment is altered in any way. This makes me smile. ^_^]
megados 8th Jul 2017, 1:11 PM edit delete reply

*snicker*
Sheela 9th Jul 2017, 2:45 AM edit delete reply





Step 6 : another reply
The orphanage has burned down, because someone let the orphans play with fire.

Step 7 : Confusion
What orphanage, what are y'all talking about ?

Step 8 : Tokyo Rose
...
???
Profit !
chk 9th Jul 2017, 3:20 PM edit delete reply

What're you getting at Sheela?
megados 9th Jul 2017, 5:20 PM edit delete reply

Inquiring minds want to know!
antrik 10th Jul 2017, 6:31 AM edit delete reply
Do doggies actually have a sufficiently long attention span to be getting at something?...
megados 10th Jul 2017, 6:43 AM edit delete reply

I don't know, but it seems Sheela has a sufficiently long attention span to think Rose is a Ferengi.
Gilrandir 8th Jul 2017, 11:51 AM edit delete reply
By the way, kudos to the creative team (and the amazing guest artist) for throwing another real-world issue (or issues) into relief for discussion, while giving it a unique science fictional twist.

If the Lifespan Statutes are a response of Humanity to the many disproportionate evolutionary advantages possessed by android-kind, it inspires a couple of other questions:

1) Why isn't New Troy constantly spewing androids at this point? How many new androids are quickened each year? 1000? In that case, assuming enough time has passed for a steady-state equilibrium to be reached, why isn't there an annual exodus of about 750 androids from New Troy out into the wilds each year. Allowing for unfortunate circumstances and mishaps, each year at least 750 androids should be turning 98 years old, looking around, and saying to themselves, "It isn't illegal for me to leave the city now. And, if I leave now, no one is going to come after me two years from now. Out in the small communities, I don't even need a fake identity. If I bring a big crate of legally-licensed-for-export spare parts and modern-day technical skills, I bet they'll overlook my origins for the sake of adding another peaceful, law-abiding, contributing member of society, and I can get another 30-40 good years out of it. All I need is a suitcase, a steamer trunk, and a bus ticket."

2) Why are the Lifespan Statutes still in effect in their current form? Androids in the 40- to 70-year range, on the other hand, could be saying to themselves, "The Lifespan Statutes are a response designed to keep us from outpopulating the biologicals because they age and die, while we don't, so we can outproduce them. Instead of forced termination, why don't we offer an alternative solution? Humans, if you don't want us to outnumber you, stop making us. We don't have any inbuilt need to nurture the next android generation. We have no biological clocks. Stop making more of us, just so that you'll be forced to throw our older versions away. We'd rather have mandatory Birth Control, than mandatory Termination. The overwhelming majority of androids already built votes for replacing the Lifespan Statutes with an android population quota. No androids not yet built were available to make their opinion known."

Androids in the 10- to 40-year range will, of course, be partying in nightclubs, living for the moment, and generally ignoring the future, because they all know they're never going to die anyway. ^_^
Tokyo Rose 8th Jul 2017, 3:26 PM edit delete reply

At this point, I have to start gently waving a Spoiler Flag on behalf of the creative team, because we're already planning to address this during the next arc. :D However, I'm sure that some lively reader debates can flow from this (and possibly end up being included at least conceptually in the script, mwahaha)...
megados 8th Jul 2017, 5:07 PM edit delete reply

That's understandable, @Tokyo Rose. Sometimes it must be a little difficult to bite your figurative tongue at times like this.

@Gilrandir, there certainly are quite a few real-world parallels within DataChasers, but you kinda have to expect that, because it says so right in the comic descriptiion. ;D

You touch on an interesting conundrum, which has, so far, been foggy and shrouded in mystery, when speaking of New Troy's android longevity laws.

In reference to number 1, if Kaye is any example, it does in fact happen. The only thing that is unclear, is how prevalent it actually is. I don't doubt that some could set aside a cache of spare parts, but I would think it isn't the norm. My completely uneducated and off-the-ass guess would be that it's more impetuous, or spontaneous, as the end of service time grows near. I really don't think the number is exorbitant, or NT will have to have some countermeasures. Those attempts which are poorly planned or executed would probably result in the perpetrator being arrested and detained as a possible flight risk. We have seen that at least some of those who make it out may not last long outside, and there is probably a percentage that are never caught, or never seen again. Still others might attempt to sneak back into the city, and possibly live in plain sight, after getting some 'alterations'. And finally, of course, there would have to have evolved some sort of underground railroad, or individuals who, for a price, provide a means of escape. There are a lot of ways this can go. I do think, though, that many simply report for deactivation. There had been another point made at one time, IIRC, that alluded to a form of dimentia could set in, but it was only lightly touched on, so I don't know/can't remember the particulars.

Addressing number 2, it is actually quite strange that the statutes are as they are. As far as android production is concerned, a good example, might be Dolly herself. Calliope Taylor is always pushing the limits of cybernetic and android design, and you can think of it like smart phones today: they don't have to keep making new ones, and most people don't have to have a new one, but they make them anyway. If anything, production of bodies could continue apace, if they are allowed to upgrade their bodies to whatever level they can afford. Rather than curbing android body production, what might be a better aspect to address, might be the generation, and maturing of 'seeds', from which the entities themselves come. The seeds are going to be directly proportional to the number of android entities. Those are generated by CentComm for the NT androids, so the question needs to be put to her as to why she generates so many.

But, yeah, those 10 to 40 year old kids, man . . . :D
Gilrandir 8th Jul 2017, 10:59 PM edit delete reply
@megados, I expect real-world issues to crop up in DataChasers because I have read Spider Robinson's "The Time-Traveler". (And yes, that is a compliment to the creative team. ^_^)

Regarding emigration before the deadline, you stated that "..., or NT will have to have some countermeasures." Why? What interest of NT is served by terminating the androids, as opposed to a de facto banishment? Certainly what benefit would there be to offset the costs of said countermeasures? Pulling, for example, forty officers off the streets to work Lifespan Statute compliance issues when the police are already complaining about being dangerously understaffed would seem (to me) a poor choice. But with (my example) 750 new cases each year, forty may not even be enough to make a dent in the problem.

As far as body R&D goes, you are correct that the issue is not bodies, it is persons. (I.e., "births" or "sparks") And I don't think we have established that CentComm has a monopoly on production of 'zeroes'. There is every indication that private labs would be quite capable of generating zeroes as needed, assuming costs to be reasonable.
megados 9th Jul 2017, 5:09 AM edit delete reply

@Gilrandir, my comment about expectations was sort of tongue-in-cheek. I think everyone here expects, and enjoys real-world topics to be touched on in DataChasers.

My main reason for thinking that NT might have means and reason for terminating androids, is that they wouldn't likely have such a law on the books with no means or desire to enforce it. To do otherwise, would just invite people to break laws. The only other possibility, is to do as you say, and scare older androids out of the city. That doesn't seem like a logical intent, but I guess it's possible. If so, then there is an ongoing exodus, the scope of which would be directly tied to the rate of 'seed' or 'spark' generation.

In the tech page, it is stated that the 'seeds' (that are nurtured to become entities unto themselves) are generated by CentComm for the NT androids. There has never been anything stated that private labs do not have the capability, but I don't think they have the authorization. In NT, I think they would have to be licensed or authorized by CentComm. It hasn't been discussed (that I know of) how seed generation is handled in the other cities.

That brings up another possible salient point: Is there a such thing as android immigration in New Troy? Can androids emigrate from other cities/places to New Troy if they meet new Troy standards? Things such as distinctiveness, no inhibitors, etc.? Also then, what about proof of age? Is it even possible for androids from elsewhere to meet NT standards, or become NT citizens?
Ictuan 8th Jul 2017, 8:18 PM edit delete reply
Something tells me this upcoming story arc will make for some really good discussion reading. Just look at the discussion that this page provoked.
DLKmusic 9th Jul 2017, 1:25 PM edit delete reply

LOL, Ictuan. This group is known for building walls of text! It also helps that our creative duo keeps throwing intellectual fuel on the fire for us!
Ictuan 9th Jul 2017, 6:52 PM edit delete reply
@DLKmusic, every now and then one of the walls of text is too much to climb over, but for the most part I find the comments as enjoyable as the DC comic itself. The comment frequently help me see and/or understand something I didn't pick up on in the comics. The comments certainly enhance the comics. This isn't something that can be said for other comics.
DLKmusic 9th Jul 2017, 7:14 PM edit delete reply

There are other comics that have good commenters, but I agree that it is awesome here. A good part of that is that everyone tries to respect other people's opinions, even when they don't agree with them. It's like we are our own little community, and we welcome others to join and participate!

And, of course, all of us seem to be emotionally invested in this particular comic, which is a tribute to the creative duo of cent-comm and Tokyo-Rose.
Marcus 8th Jul 2017, 3:02 PM edit delete reply
Nayeli has just lost her mother yes. But I thought of of of this, these two who came with her, and anyone back at that outpost, may become strong friends for her. If this does end up lead to Nayeli being shunned or otherwise exiled, she's definitely not 'just some savage' to these two. 1) she's acknowledged an Android as her Mother; 2) she committed several taboos just by talking to them 3) She just lost her mother so they probably feel some empathy for that an might check in to see if she's okay.
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