Comic 1511 - Not Sorry

20th Jul 2017, 9:00 PM
Not Sorry
Average Rating: 5 (22 votes)
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mjkj 20th Jul 2017, 9:06 PM edit delete reply

Uh-oh... entering the hot phase...
Centcomm 21st Jul 2017, 3:13 PM edit delete reply

yep the fuse is lit!
Sheela 21st Jul 2017, 10:47 PM edit delete reply

Bombs have been dropped!
Dragonrider 20th Jul 2017, 9:13 PM edit delete reply

And now the elephant is truly visible in the room. Don't back down Lynn, you said it. It's completely true someone remind her she's recently investigated getting on the wagon. Doubt she has tossed out all the booze bet she relapses after this. Someone needs to explain to her that Dolly is much closer to "Mother Of The Century" than she is to being a mother or even a concerned human, Hell Noctis.Kali and TeeDee beat her out as maternal candidates.
Haegan2005 20th Jul 2017, 10:08 PM edit delete reply

Granted. But is it too late to love and be loved? Can no relationship be made between the two that matters?
Ebonbolt 20th Jul 2017, 10:52 PM edit delete reply

They have to get the resentment out first. Calli (by my view) stopped, just stopped, when Fallon died, but Lynn isn't willing to let her catch up now that Calli's been jolted out of that emotional stasis. Dolly may have to "Mom" them both to get them to find some middle ground. Much harder to do while stuck in that machine.
Centcomm 21st Jul 2017, 3:16 PM edit delete reply

oh shes not going to be in there forever.. thankfully!
Stormwind13 21st Jul 2017, 4:53 AM edit delete reply

Well yes Dragonrider, but TeeDee is only feeling maternal toward Murderturds. :-D
Dragonrider 21st Jul 2017, 6:20 AM edit delete reply

And Lynn is that much different how? Remember she clocked the jerk who shot her down, the bitch transporting her and the douchebag who startedall this krap. Then she went sky cycle racing, walked into the valley of death with to meet an insane AI.
Centcomm 21st Jul 2017, 3:14 PM edit delete reply

Ouch Dragon. You know there is a good person in Calliope. And i think you offended Teedee there
Dragonrider 21st Jul 2017, 9:48 PM edit delete reply

There's a good person in Cali it's burried under self pity, and drowned inrotgut. She needs to quit trying tobsuddenly be a helicopter parent, apologize to Lynn and Dolly join AA and get herself a shrink.
kitty 21st Jul 2017, 4:55 PM edit delete reply
I respectfully disagree. I grew up with a clinically depressed mother. Alcohol came and went, wasn't even the biggest problem. It looks and sounds to me like Cally never got the kind of in-depth, serious help she needed. Climbing out of that hole can be close to impossible without that help. She got a huge shock when Lynn was kidnapped, and just because she's not handling the ups and down well doesn't mean she doesn't care or that she's a bad mother. Is she selfish? Yeah, probably. And so is Lynn. Since she got home, all she's done is hang with Acantha and refuse to listen to anything her mom says. These two need to sit down with a counselor for some one on one sessions, clear the air, and start new, but insisting that Cally is 100% in the wrong is not the way to go about it.
megados 20th Jul 2017, 9:21 PM edit delete reply

Calli is overcompensating because of guilt. Just because Lynn was safe, and Dolly was taking care of her, it doesn't mean she has nothing else to think about, and can simply hide from her troubles. Lynn feels she was neglected, and now some of those feelings will get aired for both of them. They are both saying they care about each other, each in their own way: Calli because Lynn is safe again, and Lynn because she would have rather had more from Calli.

If only each understood the other . . .
Haegan2005 20th Jul 2017, 10:05 PM edit delete reply

Until the anger is gone and the healing has begun, they can't hear what the other is saying.
megados 21st Jul 2017, 6:58 AM edit delete reply

Very true. That is the whole problem, and I think this is where a sort of catharsis begins for both of them.

I can kind of hear the words ringing in Rose's head as she writes them! :)
Thormation 20th Jul 2017, 9:28 PM edit delete reply

Everyone sing along!

🎵 And the cat's in the cradle and the silver spoon 🎵

🎵 Little boy blue and the man on the moon 🎵
The Old Scribe 20th Jul 2017, 11:28 PM edit delete reply

"When ya comin' home Mom?
I don't know when
But we'll have a good time then, Lynn
We're gonna have a good time then."
DLKmusic 21st Jul 2017, 4:58 PM edit delete reply

"I went to Rome, just the other day,
I didn't want to go but I was kidnapped away
I said I'd like some help if you can find the time
I'm really scared and that's just not fine"

"Mom said Cent's got a plan and she won't let me know,
So hang in there and just lay low, Lynn,
Hang in there and Just lay low..."
Stormwind13 21st Jul 2017, 2:55 AM edit delete reply

"How sharper than a serpent's tooth it is to have a thankless child!" - Act 1, Scene 4 of William Shakespeare's King Lear
DLKmusic 22nd Jul 2017, 6:32 PM edit delete reply

Where the heck are you, @gilrandir? I thought for sure you would have a verse for this ready by now! :/
Gilrandir 24th Jul 2017, 1:59 PM edit delete reply
I don't particularly get a "Cat's Cradle" vibe from the Calliope/Lynn dynamic, and I was asked to throttle back my posting. <shrug>

I do like your lyric, though. Very nice.
megados 24th Jul 2017, 7:09 PM edit delete reply

. . . "I was asked to throttle back my posting". . .

??? Huh?
Gilrandir 14th Aug 2017, 10:05 AM edit delete reply
(After much time spent goofing off, it is finally here: the opus eagerly awaited by no one. People possessed of delicate sensibilities, musical taste, and a refined sense of humor should probably stop reading now. You have been warned. This song is for Lynn, set to this song.)

When I was born I was a quiet little girl
I was a sweet little angel
Now I go everywhere in a whirl
Don't wanna hear 'No' or "Maybe'

For my mommy was a queen from the start
And my birth made her heart swell with pride
Then one day everything fell apart
My daddy died

I'd rather be whiny
Like a diva who is always on the set
Better get it right or expect
I will get my way or show that I'm upset
You can bet!

All adults
Are so dumb, dumb, dumb
They don't care about my feelings
In their dealings

I just wanna see my chum, chum, chum
What they worry 'bout concealing,
I'm revealing.

And dear old mater
Can fix it later

Well, well, well
Even Dolly's giving me another look.
Can't she see I'm finally all grown up.
I just wanted a celebration.
I got took!
Everything always happens to me!

But you have to give me credit for the win,
Acantha is finally free.
We all saw Dolly knock the Prince's teeth all in.
Don't mess with me, you can't, I'm too

Catch me acting like nobody cares for me.
Hear my voice, my voice is so
They can try to explain, I'll never see.
I'll be free, sorry mom.

I can cry, cry, cry
You just can't expect a little girl
To make sense of the world.
I say fie, fie, fie
If it's not arranged the way I say,
Make it go my way

Craving attention I never knew.
Chasing the love of
My mother who always felt haunted.
I try to be tough
But my armor's just not hard enough

Try me!
Someone ought to spank my hiney
Ever seen someone so

I'm the sweetest little girl you'll ever see,
If you'll be nice to me. Else I'll be
Just give in because there's no stopping me,
Don't you see?

That no one is quite as whiny
You wish I weren't quite so whiny.
megados 14th Aug 2017, 5:30 PM edit delete reply

Ahahaha! There he is! Good one @Gilrandir!
antrik 15th Aug 2017, 10:41 AM edit delete reply
Spot on :-)
Just_IDD 20th Jul 2017, 9:32 PM edit delete reply
This sounds like a discussion I had with my dad under different circumstances. Cali doesn't understand that Lynn has grown through this experience. And that you can't protect them forever as much as you'd like to. And protecting them forever actually hurts them more than it helps them.
HiFranc 21st Jul 2017, 12:56 AM edit delete reply

I wonder if she remembers being on the other side?
Gilrandir 21st Jul 2017, 10:53 AM edit delete reply
Likely she does ... and is being kind enough not to mention how much better she (Calliope) handled it than Lynn is doing -- no shouting, no name calling, no blaming CentComm but instead taking responsibility for having let the situation escalate as far as it did.

I'm sorry, what was your point again?
HiFranc 21st Jul 2017, 2:31 PM edit delete reply

My point is that Calliope knows that it is harmful to wrap people in too much cotton wool. Part of growing up is learning to gauge risks yourself, how to judge character. Calliope is showing as much respect Lynn's autonomy as Centcomm showed for hers.

I'm not saying that she shouldn't care but there's a difference between advising someone and overriding their free will.

Given that she's more than twice Lynn's age, has probably been in several fire fights, helped run an entire city, etc, I would hope that she could handle a situation better.
antrik 22nd Jul 2017, 1:48 AM edit delete reply
@Gilrandir that's quite a different situation though. Cent-Comm hasn't been emotionally neglecting her daughter for years, nor was she trying to separate her from her sister in arms and best friend... Lynn has a lot more reason for getting upset.
Gilrandir 22nd Jul 2017, 6:45 AM edit delete reply
As far as Calliope's parenting skills or efforts, I am not trying to address or defend them. I have never been any kind of parent and I am given to understand it can be rather difficult. I was responding to@HiFranc's observation that Calliope should be more understanding because she has been similarly treated in the past by pointing out that Calliope dealt with her reversed situation (in my opinion) much better.

Lynn's approach seems to be "I don't like what's going on, so let's load up the conversational shotgun with the most hurtful grapeshot available and start spraying it around with abandon, hoping to do enough damage that someone else will show up and start to make me feel better." It's a strategy, I suppose, but not (again, in my opinion) a particularly praiseworthy one.

As far as Calliope's parenting goes, she may have been an absentee parent, but all indications are that she did not neglect her duties, she delegated them (to Dolly). Lynn may not like that, but neglect is not fair -- nor is the 'bubble' accusation.

By all accounts, Lynn has been taught piloting, self-defense, been granted a child of entitlement's portion of autonomy, and probably given many other growing experiences as well. She merely chooses to be petulantly ungrateful because those opportunities came through Dolly, rather than through Calliope, as they 'ought' to have.

I do not say that Lynn doesn't have legitimate grievances, but I've never been particularly fond of the "I feel bad, so I'm going to start hurting people until they apologize" approach to solving problems.
antrik 22nd Jul 2017, 7:44 AM edit delete reply
My point is that Calliope can't be commended for having handled the situation better, since she hasn't actually *been* in the same situation...
megados 22nd Jul 2017, 7:56 AM edit delete reply

@Gilrandir, I do have experience in being a parent to teenage girls/young women. Some of what you say is true and correct. One thing that is always pointed out, is that kids do not come with an instruction manual. (Wouldn't that have been nice!) Just like people in general, parents come in all sorts. It's hard to place a quality level on someone else's parenting skills. It becomes very difficult to separate judgement of parental ability from judgement of the people themselves. One measure is to look at the children.

Lynn is very much pissed off right now. From her point of view, she is entering adulthood, and is being treated as a young child: "No you can't go visit your friends, you must do such and such." She has not yet learned the restraint that comes with greater maturity. (Some people NEVER learn this) She doesn't seem to be purposely trying to be hurtful, but she is not trying NOT to be either. She is sharply trying to make her point, in the hopes of making Calliope see her error. She is expressing her feelings without euphemism, nicety, or sugar coat.

Calliope has not been an ideal parent, but she is not an evil, or particularly bad one either. For an additional indication, look at Lynn. Not the pissed off and frustrated Lynn of this moment, but the overall Lynn who is an accomplished pilot, successful in what she does, isn't a bad person, stays away from bad elements, and arguably intelligent. One could counter with the fact that was mostly Dolly, but the fact remains that Calliope did have some influence, and it wasn't a negative one despite her own life's issues.

I can't really take sides in this, (" . . nobody's right if everybody's wrong" -Buffalo Springfield) as both have valid points, and both have issues that need to be addressed. These feelings have to come out on both sides, and once they do, understanding can begin for both of them.
Ebonbolt 20th Jul 2017, 10:42 PM edit delete reply

Boom. Festering firebombs on both sides, now cut open & exposed to air. A tiny spark is all it took. Wish the therapist were here to hear all of this, give her insight into the needs & emotions of her patients. Oh, well, guess Dolly will have to do. (Although, she could probably do with some therapy, herself.)
Stormwind13 21st Jul 2017, 2:56 AM edit delete reply

Lots of damage has been done in the past... and more is being done right now to all three of them. Oddly enough, Dolly is quiet while Lynn and Calliope tear at old wounds.
Dragonrider 21st Jul 2017, 5:54 AM edit delete reply

Not odd she's been waiting for this. It was gonna happen sooner or later.
Ebonbolt 21st Jul 2017, 8:38 PM edit delete reply

Tearing open the old wounds might be the only way to get the fester out. Dolly is letting them air the real issues, will probably step in if someone goes over the line. She only stopped Lynn before on points of fact vs. hyperbole. I think she wants it to dig out all the problems, so they can be dealt with completely.
The Old Scribe 20th Jul 2017, 11:33 PM edit delete reply

"I have a lot to do today, Lynn. Dolly will take good care of you. Won't you Dolly?"

"Yes Ma'am."

"Bye Mom. Will you read me a story, Dolly?"

"Of course, sweetheart."
xpacetrue 21st Jul 2017, 12:07 AM edit delete reply

I really enjoy this comic. And I am quite impressed with the quality of each page.

However, I don't care for the hair Calli is sporting here. It looks disheveled. And it makes her look... upset, maybe? Less beautiful? Worried sick? Perhaps even a bit scary. (I think it's due to the long hair shadows across her face.) Was this intentional?

Am I the only one who doesn't like Calli's hair like this? I prefer the way I remembered it before the model remakes.
Timotheus 21st Jul 2017, 12:18 AM edit delete reply

Okay Cent, here's your solution, start a car repair fund for $400 to restore Callie's style
Centcomm 21st Jul 2017, 1:24 AM edit delete reply

whats funny is i kinda liked this style. I will try to find another one soon i promise as soon as this scene is done.. and Calli can visit the hair salon. in her room. thats automated.. for .. reasons.
antrik 22nd Jul 2017, 2:17 AM edit delete reply
I for one think that's actually the best-looking hairstyle she has had thus far. (Probably because I invariably favour longer hair :-) )

I'm not bothered by the slightly chaotic look at all. And that's not just because of the current situation: she has pretty much *always* had this chaotic style, except for the last few days -- which was certainly appropriate for the vid call with Decimus, but looked rather stupid otherwise...
Tokyo Rose 21st Jul 2017, 12:55 AM edit delete reply

I didn't like it either when I saw this page. Cent said there was a problem with the other hair figure she was using for Calli.
Stormwind13 21st Jul 2017, 3:06 AM edit delete reply

I really thought it was intentional, xpacetrue. That is the kind of hair I would expect for someone that hasn't been sleeping, worried sick about someone they love (if imperfectly).

I agree though, it isn't complimentary to Calliope. I figured CentComm would clean it up later if Calliope recovers (which isn't a given after that barrage by Lynn).
Dragonrider 21st Jul 2017, 5:59 AM edit delete reply

Actually the hair looks about right for a drunk just realizing how much of a shit she has been to her daughter. While trying to cope with withdrawal.
megados 21st Jul 2017, 6:55 AM edit delete reply

I thought her hair looked appropriate for someone who had not really been taking care of things, and then got hit with the kidnapping of her daughter. She really hasn't had time to go to the salon. :D
Ictuan 21st Jul 2017, 6:39 PM edit delete reply
I agree with the others, it isn't an attractive hair style, it it is exactly what I'd expect given the situation.
chk 21st Jul 2017, 1:24 PM edit delete reply

Yeah. I've got no problem with her hair. She looks like someone going through hell for however long it's been.
Sheela 21st Jul 2017, 10:43 PM edit delete reply

Oh ?

I thought she was meant to look like a drug addict going through withdrawal?
DLKmusic 22nd Jul 2017, 7:35 PM edit delete reply

I'm in full agreement. I thought the disheveled look was intentional, along with the lack of makeup on Calli's face. she looks like a typical neurotic who hasn't been able to sleep in a week. Completely appropriate for this scene!
TheSkulker 21st Jul 2017, 1:13 AM edit delete reply

And this is what I like about great science fiction and this is a prime example: All the wiz bang tech and alien landscapes are just a background framework for character development and human interactions.

Granted, I appreciate the tech and the exquisite, meticulous care in creating the DC universe. That is all interesting but I can't say I (or anyone I know), ever got emotionally attached to the tech. It is the story of the characters - Ceci, Lynn, Acantha, TeeDee, Maxus, .... the list goes on and on - that is the attraction and the page turner. When the characters are so well developed and become so real that we discuss and judge them as real humans, with human motivations, strengths, failings, expectations - that's when we know we are in the presence of masters.

This scene could be any where, any time, any culture. It is pure human experience with very much in-character behavior (even if some of us, I, made some erroneous background assumptions). We are at full attention, emotionally attached to the participants, cheering them on, hoping for a good resolution and wishing it were Monday evening already.
Stormwind13 21st Jul 2017, 2:52 AM edit delete reply

Captain Lynn: Load all torpedo tubes...
Torpedo tubes loaded, Captain.
Captain Lynn: Fire all tubes at target.
Multiple hits on target... Target HEAVILY damaged Captain (as the verbal torpedoes strike Calliope)!
Dragonrider 21st Jul 2017, 6:06 AM edit delete reply

WARP 14 helmsman continuous fire on the phasers close combat spread.Boarding party follow me.She's bleeding air, take no prisoners. This ends now.
Sleel 21st Jul 2017, 2:52 AM edit delete reply

I listen to her, and all I hear is WAHHHHHHHHH! I'm the same petulant spoiled little shit that insisted she fly alone to...wherever the fuck it was, with no secutiry, that got me kidnapped in the first fucking place. Cause she was all growed up. *bitchslap with rings on* Just shut the fuck up and grow up. Just as soon as you have losses like that in your life, you can comment. I have, and she has shit to say that isn't shit.
Siren 21st Jul 2017, 10:51 AM edit delete reply
Nah, this is pretty textbook. The surviving child still needs love and affection, otherwise they're going to feel like they're coming in second to a dead person they can never compete with.

This doesn't minimize or change the surviving parents' grief and needs, but it isn't selfish either - especially since the child is helpless to do anything about their needs.

It's a sucky situation for all involved.
Ictuan 21st Jul 2017, 6:42 PM edit delete reply
@Steel: Dude, this comment is so left field.
Highlander55 21st Jul 2017, 3:18 AM edit delete reply
Now is when the Head Shrink should be listening in the room.
Gilrandir 21st Jul 2017, 4:21 AM edit delete reply
Dolly is right there. ^_^
velvetsanity 21st Jul 2017, 8:33 AM edit delete reply

Dolly's not the shrink/head-tech/psych-nanny/therapist, though.
Gilrandir 21st Jul 2017, 10:47 AM edit delete reply
I was being frivolous and metaphorical. Anyone in Dolly's position who is (essentially) 'forced' into the role of 'referee' between these two becomes the 'head shrink' (I like the double meaning there ^_^), no matter what the sheepskin on the wall (or the name on weapons permit) actually says. ^_^ In my opinion, of course.
guest 21st Jul 2017, 11:45 AM edit delete reply
but really velvetsanity..? how hard wood it be for Dolly to call the therapist.?? ..quick listen to this...
..maybe that's why she's so quite..

also : Dolly wont let it get out of hand,,, a slap maybe.. even with a bum leg , she wont let them hurt each other...
cattservant 21st Jul 2017, 6:55 AM edit delete reply

It's in them and it's got to come out!
Stormwind13 21st Jul 2017, 10:25 AM edit delete reply

Hopefully it won't leak out red all over everything ruining it, catt. There are a LOT of emotions though, so nothing is off the table.
Siren 21st Jul 2017, 10:00 AM edit delete reply
And this is why they need a therapist. A family counselor.

Good work on the expressions.
HeSerpenty 21st Jul 2017, 12:55 PM edit delete reply

Aaah yes...a much needed talk indeed. Too bad it had to happen under these circumstances X"D
antrik 22nd Jul 2017, 2:29 AM edit delete reply
I'd say the circumstances were *needed* for it to happen...
chk 21st Jul 2017, 2:42 PM edit delete reply

Gee, Lynn. Maybe you shouldn't hold back. Don't sugar coat it. Tell her what you really think.
Stormwind13 21st Jul 2017, 2:59 PM edit delete reply

Now you've done it, chk! The next page will probably be a verbal anti-matter explosion. :-p
chk 21st Jul 2017, 3:47 PM edit delete reply

Now, that is funny.
All the Pickles 21st Jul 2017, 6:22 PM edit delete reply

So if words are words and silence is lack of words, what are antiwords?
chk 21st Jul 2017, 6:49 PM edit delete reply

Wonk t'nod yllaer I.
All the Pickles 21st Jul 2017, 11:13 PM edit delete reply

Hmm, for some reason I read that as "I really don't wonk." Good to know you're not the wonky type.
Ictuan 21st Jul 2017, 7:05 PM edit delete reply
Don't make my head hurt.
KarToon12 21st Jul 2017, 7:55 PM edit delete reply

I agree with kitty. Both of them make valid points, and the problem is that a "freaky Friday" hasn't happened where they were able to swap bodies and experience what it was like to be the other. Lynn's mom has to let her daughter go, and Lynn has to understand that her mom isn't perfect, but is trying her best.
Rashala 21st Jul 2017, 11:32 PM edit delete reply

Seen this before trust me folks this is good they need to get both their stored baggage out so they can move forward and heal. Granted most people do this before reaching mega volcano levels but....
CptKerion 22nd Jul 2017, 2:47 PM edit delete reply
Speaking as someone who has been in Lynn's shoes, it hit mega volcano levels before anyone would listen to me.

This page hit REALLY close to home for me.
Stormwind13 22nd Jul 2017, 9:41 AM edit delete reply

In thinking about it, I believe Calliope WAS afraid. Not for Lynn in Dolly's care, but she was afraid to emotionally INVEST in another human being. Afraid that if she DID invest that they too would be ripped away from her. So she stayed 'distant' to her own daughter, in order to not have it happen to her again.

Have to wonder, was it worth it Calliope? I'm thinking not.
megados 22nd Jul 2017, 5:00 PM edit delete reply

That is a good possibility.
Ebonbolt 22nd Jul 2017, 10:38 PM edit delete reply

Quite likely. Possibly more than that, she was afraid to invest in LIFE, because the change might be too jarring. So she just shut down emotionally, refused to get past Fallon's death for fear of, potentially, losing what was left of her emotional attachment to him. My grandmother did something similar; my grandfather died not long after I was born, & five years later (according to others) she still "just couldn't get over" his death. But in my lifetime, she never once talked to me about him. Not once. At some point it becomes less about the deceased, and more about the grief.
Ictuan 23rd Jul 2017, 5:34 PM edit delete reply
@Stormwind13, I agree with that megados stated, your analysis seems very plausible.
Ictuan 22nd Jul 2017, 6:57 PM edit delete reply
The quality of the discussions above is a testament to the quality of story telling Rose and Cent accomplished with this installment. This installment's discussion has been fascinating reading. It seems that Lynn and Calliope's fireworks have really hit home for some folks who had experiences on different sides Lynn and Calliope's relationship.

To everyone who participated in these discussions and shared their perspective thank you. It was very thought provoking.

Cent and Rose thank you for once again delivering such a compelling installment. You truly are master story tellers.
Tokyo Rose 23rd Jul 2017, 7:08 PM edit delete reply

The comments have been pretty fierce reading.
Gilrandir 23rd Jul 2017, 7:18 PM edit delete reply
My comments have all been sweetness and light, right? Please, I don't want to go back into the closet under the stairs. I like being out where I can talk to people. I'll be good.
Sheela 22nd Jul 2017, 7:03 PM edit delete reply

I am Lynn, hear me roar!
Ictuan 22nd Jul 2017, 7:13 PM edit delete reply
Nice puppy. {pat pat}
Stormwind13 22nd Jul 2017, 7:21 PM edit delete reply

NICE?!? That is SHEELA you are talking about, Ictuan! She steals tuna, slobbers on shoes and nibbles on toes! Nice is NOT the word I would associate with her! :-D
Ictuan 22nd Jul 2017, 7:39 PM edit delete reply
I was thinking of the small yippy dogs you have to reassure as you enter some people's yards.

Oh and yes I have taken something out of the mouth of a small snarling dog. It was a friends dog and it had no discipline. At a party, it stole my napkin from my lap. When I tried to get it back it snarled at me. I was having none of that behavior. I just slipped my hand to its snout from the back of its head, pressed its lips into its teeth and forced open its jaw. I figured it wouldn't bite me without biting itself. The dog was pissed, but it knew it had been beaten and never gave me any problems after that.

Little dogs are mostly just bark.
Ebonbolt 22nd Jul 2017, 10:27 PM edit delete reply

By taking away the napkin (& the method used), you established your dominance over the dog. The owners probably never have, which is why they have no control. The dog has no idea of the actual hierarchy, so it's probably mostly just confused. (However, I'm not a dog expert, and I haven't met the dog in question, so I may be mistaken.)
Ictuan 23rd Jul 2017, 4:14 AM edit delete reply
@Ebonbolt, I was raised around animals and always had my own dog as a kid (my first was a 90lbs German shepherd/wolf cross). You are correct it was about establishing dominance. Dogs are pack animals and there must always be an alpha. In that household, the owners didn't establish that they were alpha in a way that the dog understood so it assumed it was alpha. By taking the napkin away I established I was alpha when I was there. The way I did it ensured I didn't get bit. Any other method and I would probably have been bit.

But to Stormwind13's point, I know how to put little dogs in their place. Sometimes, you just let it slide with a pat on the head. Because they can have napoleon syndrome.
Sheela 23rd Jul 2017, 4:06 PM edit delete reply

Nonsense ... I can be nice.
Heck, I can be both naughty AND nice, while waiting to ambush Santa Claus !
It's a hard job, but someone has to do it.
Ictuan 23rd Jul 2017, 5:31 PM edit delete reply
Yep, that's a small dog for you.
Haegan2005 23rd Jul 2017, 5:40 PM edit delete reply

Speaking of which, where are my slippers?
megados 23rd Jul 2017, 6:04 PM edit delete reply

If you find 'em, could you look quick to see if my shoe is there? TIA :)
Haegan2005 23rd Jul 2017, 6:14 PM edit delete reply

I recommend we look under the bed or any new holes outside. Of course, knowing the mind of our foe, we may find them on Amazon...

just saying!
megados 23rd Jul 2017, 7:14 PM edit delete reply

Well crud, then we have one chance left.
Sheela wrote: "Nonsense ... I can be nice."
It looks like here's where we find out.
Sheela 24th Jul 2017, 3:03 AM edit delete reply

Oh, they're both in the garden, some digging might be required.

See ? I *can* be nice. :)
Of course, I didn't mention *which* garden.
antrik 24th Jul 2017, 8:38 AM edit delete reply
IIRC Tulip's garden is the only one we ever saw... Until presented with new evidence, I have to assume it's the only one in existence ;-)
Sheela 24th Jul 2017, 4:43 PM edit delete reply

Damn - Foiled by my own smarts !

Well, at least she can fight back, when some weird crazed people come around and start digging up her gardens! She's pretty strong, y'know ?
antrik 26th Jul 2017, 7:49 AM edit delete reply
Is she? I thought her weapon of choice was her charm ;-)

(But then again, why would she even fight people who just want to retrieve their misappropriated footwear?...)
antrik 24th Jul 2017, 8:43 AM edit delete reply
Yes, Calliope -- and now she's *back* safe here in Troy. Stop pretending she's still in danger.
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