Comic 1512 - Selfish

23rd Jul 2017, 9:00 PM
Average Rating: 5 (19 votes)
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KarToon12 23rd Jul 2017, 9:24 PM edit delete reply

Everyone just listen to Dolly.
Sheela 24th Jul 2017, 3:10 AM edit delete reply

To be fair, Dolly should probably have chat with the head tech too.
Stormwind13 24th Jul 2017, 5:39 AM edit delete reply

Possibly Sheela. I get the feeling that Dolly could probably teach the tech something on the subject though.
Sheela 24th Jul 2017, 4:46 PM edit delete reply

That I doubt, the curriculum for a 21st century shrink is crazy enough as it is, I don't wanna know how bad it is in the future - But I'm pretty sure Dolly still have much to learn in that area of expertise!

Now, bodyguard work on the other hand!
Stormwind13 24th Jul 2017, 8:24 PM edit delete reply

There is book learning and then there is REAL world experience. Dolly has been working with children, teaching, loving and guiding them. I promise you, she knows some things that aren't in the books. :-)
megados 23rd Jul 2017, 9:31 PM edit delete reply

Re alt text: I wouldn't be quick to say that Dolly screwed up. None of her actions were responsible for this outcome. If it's meant to describe her lack of intervention in Calliope's 'slough', I might say that she may not have felt it to be her place to do so. She should heed her own advice, too, as it refers to taking blame for Decimus' actions. If it's meant to describe her letting Lynn fly alone to New Sparta, Lynn and Calliope both agreed Lynn be allowed to do so.

I would also argue that she is actually in a good position to mediate the discussion between Lynn and her mother; she knows both of them well, they are comfortable with her, and she already knows she might tend to want to stop the conflict and guard against that. With or without the psych tech, Dolly should be there. She is as much a part of the discussion as anyone, if not in mediation, then as a participant.
Timotheus 23rd Jul 2017, 10:47 PM edit delete reply

As a participant perhaps, but initially she would just add additional confusion. Her role in the situation was as the enabler that let Calliope dodge her responsibilities to Lynn. That this was done with complete love and commitment to both women just makes the situation worse and makes it harder to separate Dolly from the mix.
Stormwind13 24th Jul 2017, 2:58 AM edit delete reply

I'm not sure, megados. I think that Dolly allowed Calliope to wallow in her depression. She knew it wasn't good for Calliope, but she 'failed' to address the situation. Which is very unlike her. Dolly normally doesn't shy away from confronting problems.

If Dolly were to participate, she says she would be trying to get the conflict to stop. She is correct that she is NOT unbiased nor neutral. The problem with that is that it wouldn't allow them to clean out the emotional wound and truly allow it to heal.
Sheela 24th Jul 2017, 3:06 AM edit delete reply

Her old brain may not have been fully smart enough to figure that out.
Clearly her new brain *is* smart enough, so now we get to see some progress.

Dolly is a smart cookie now. :)
Stormwind13 24th Jul 2017, 4:59 AM edit delete reply

I'm not sure Dolly is any smarter, the brain she has now is superior to her old brain. We know that CentComm detected more emotional response in the new body, not that Dolly was smarter.

I wonder if it was simply that Dolly didn't have something, some kind of lever, to keep Calliope out of her shell long enough to address the problem. Calliope indicated that Dolly had tried to talk to her, but she hadn't listened. Right now Calliope is out and exposed, Dolly doesn't sound like she is going to let her crawl back into her shell (bottle).
antrik 24th Jul 2017, 8:15 AM edit delete reply
@megados Dolly didn't exactly agree that Lynn should be allowed to go alone. She didn't get a chance to agree or disagree -- nobody asked her.
megados 24th Jul 2017, 8:59 AM edit delete reply

Dolly is her own fiercest critic. It would be easy for her to think she screwed up. Objectively I can't call it a screw-up because it really can't be shown that she could have prevented Calliope from falling down the rabbit hole, or Lynn from being kidnapped. Hindsight is always 20/20. Even though she wasn't allowed to agree or disagree whether Lynn should be allowed to go alone, she probably blames herself for it.

Chances are good that she might initially add some confusion, but (IMO) she would add a dimension of perspective that might otherwise be hard to obtain. I think her love and commitment, and insight would be beneficial to the discussion. True, she is not unbiased, but that shouldn't preclude her from the discussion, although it advocates for the psych tech to be present.

Interestingly, this situation does seem to argue for the assertion that Dolly has had a paradigm shift. Whether it is because of the new body, or because of experience, she is no longer content to sit idly by and allow Calliope to fall back into her stupor.
Sheela 24th Jul 2017, 4:49 PM edit delete reply

I agree, a paradigm shift of some sort has happened.

Frankly, I think Dolly has been through too much shit, and has decided that enough is enough - Shit has to happen !
Though she'd be too polite, to ever say "shit". :D
antrik 24th Jul 2017, 5:18 PM edit delete reply
Unless she has a broken knee and a non-overridable D.A.S. -- in which case she says worse things ;-)
antrik 24th Jul 2017, 5:25 PM edit delete reply
@megados well, Dolly *does* blame herself -- she said so on multiple occasions. It's just that her "failure" is not really *agreeing* to the solo trip; but rather, simply not protesting it enough...
Tokyo Rose 24th Jul 2017, 5:32 PM edit delete reply

Dolly's opinion, as the person who primarily raised Lynn, was that Lynn could handle the actual trip just fine. She wasn't going to start doing barrel rolls and Immelmanns, or diverge from her planned course to go sightseeing in the Wastelands or conduct a scythe-lizard safari.

Dolly's concern was for Lynn's personal safety, and as the entire story thus far has demonstrated, Dolly wasn't wrong to be worried about that.
cattservant 23rd Jul 2017, 10:17 PM edit delete reply

Let the game begin!
Game is perhaps not the most apt word...
Stormwind13 24th Jul 2017, 5:32 AM edit delete reply

No catt, I definitely think game is the wrong word here. I don't know if there are ANY rules to this event. And no one here is playing. This is more like close combat with chainsaws, if Lynn's salvo last page is any indication.
mjkj 23rd Jul 2017, 10:57 PM edit delete reply

Yeah, you go, Dolly!
Rashala 23rd Jul 2017, 11:19 PM edit delete reply

I nominate tedee as mediator!

Seriously that would be hilarious, but dolly has a point it needs to be anyone but her!
antrik 24th Jul 2017, 8:18 AM edit delete reply
I nominate Tokyo Rose.
Tokyo Rose 24th Jul 2017, 5:26 PM edit delete reply


The sweariest counselor of all.
Rashala 24th Jul 2017, 11:36 PM edit delete reply

Naaaahhhh I'd be worse I'd encourage them to swear and throw things. And use bats to stress release on centys doll...
Mark_L_A 23rd Jul 2017, 11:51 PM edit delete reply

Dolly knows that her actions to protect her loved ones help to cause some of the psychological issue that have occurred. She knows SHE cannot be in that room because of her own instincts to protect her family.
Sheela 24th Jul 2017, 3:08 AM edit delete reply

I agree.

She may be part of it as another participant later on in the progress.
But to begin with, she'd just muddle the issues even more.
sigpig 24th Jul 2017, 6:08 PM edit delete reply

I agree too. Having had to make use of various
"psyche-techs" over the past few years, one thing I know is that you have to relive the emotions that are at the root of the problem. As a protector, Dolly would want to shield Lynn and Callie from that pain/anger/whatever, and that would adversely affect the therapy.
Ania 24th Jul 2017, 12:19 AM edit delete reply
And this is why Dolly needs to be there..mother and daughter need the one common person they share..
Stormwind13 24th Jul 2017, 3:02 AM edit delete reply

I can understand that Ania; however, they should have each OTHER. They are family (as is Dolly). If Dolly is there, she would likely be counterproductive to fixing the long term problem (considering it got to this point after all).
guest 24th Jul 2017, 8:04 AM edit delete reply
just a reminder : Dolly is / was mom to all three..
an as Stormwind13 sed: Dolly would be counterproductive, you need a UNbiased third party..
Haegan2005 24th Jul 2017, 1:23 AM edit delete reply

Um. Perhaps the one common person that they both respect? Like Centcom?

Though that may not work well with Callie's history with Cent. It is also possible that Cent may not be able to be neutral as well. She did the same thing Dolly did.
Stormwind13 24th Jul 2017, 3:04 AM edit delete reply

I'm not sure that Lynn would be comfortable with CentComm mediating. Some of her past comments about CentComm make me wonder if she would open up with CentComm in the room.
Sheela 24th Jul 2017, 3:07 AM edit delete reply

Centcomm is NOT a head tech.
Unless she can shoot someones head off with a chaingun.
antrik 24th Jul 2017, 8:26 AM edit delete reply
Going by what we have seen so far, I'd say Cent-Comm would qualify as *the* worst head-tech ever...
Sheela 24th Jul 2017, 4:51 PM edit delete reply

Ultimately though .. that honor would have gone to Decimus.

Though Centcomm *did* have a go at it, with an AI spike aimed at Aeneas.
antrik 24th Jul 2017, 5:27 PM edit delete reply
Just because he was a headcase himself, doesn't mean he wouldn't have been better at counselling others than Cent-Comm ;-)
chk 24th Jul 2017, 5:32 PM edit delete reply

I don't think anyone trusts Centcomm.
megados 24th Jul 2017, 5:42 PM edit delete reply

I dunno, @chk, I think Sheela does. :P
Sheela 24th Jul 2017, 8:50 PM edit delete reply

I trust her to use overwhelming force, when possible, and if not, then to shoot first and ask questions later.

Centcomm is not as complicated, as many thinks she is.
Frankly, she's rather straight forward, in many ways.
chk 24th Jul 2017, 7:08 AM edit delete reply

Give them hell Dolly.
Stormwind13 24th Jul 2017, 7:12 AM edit delete reply

I think Calliope has already been to Hell (or Phoenix, who can tell the difference? :-D) and dragged Lynn along too, chk.
guest 24th Jul 2017, 7:58 AM edit delete reply
i wood go to hell as a vacation from phoenix.!!
chk 24th Jul 2017, 3:14 PM edit delete reply

Well, I've never been to Phoenix, but I kinda like the Beatles. . . No. Wait. That's not right.

I've never been to Phoenix, but I've been to hell and back. Yeah, yeah. That's it.
DLKmusic 24th Jul 2017, 4:23 PM edit delete reply

@Chk: I used to love that song :-(
Sheela 24th Jul 2017, 4:52 PM edit delete reply

I went to hell once ! :D

... they kicked me out. :(
chk 24th Jul 2017, 5:17 PM edit delete reply

Chewing on the devil's slippers, Sheela?
antrik 24th Jul 2017, 5:38 PM edit delete reply
@Sheela you don't happen to be related to Rhea by any chance?... ;-)
Sheela 24th Jul 2017, 8:55 PM edit delete reply

Something, something about being too ambitious for my own good and something about removing competition before it got too hard to deal with.

Not quite sure which was about me, but I was having fun burying stuff all over the place. :)
Fenrir 25th Jul 2017, 1:50 AM edit delete reply
You too? It gets kinda sad getting kicked outta everyplace that's cool.
Sheela 25th Jul 2017, 10:04 AM edit delete reply

Actually, it was kinda warm in there.
But yeah, I know what you mean.
Thomas 24th Jul 2017, 7:29 AM edit delete reply
Great googly-moogly. I love this page. Caliope's all like I was selfish and self indulgent. Woe is me. Woe! When you look at it this is really all my fault. I'm to blame I'm going to spend the next twenty years self indulgently tearing my hair over how awful I am.

Dolly's all like; yeah, no.

Calliope: Woe?

Dolly: No.

Sheela 24th Jul 2017, 4:57 PM edit delete reply

Dolly : Decimus was an a-hole! His fault, not yours.
Dolly : Also, you two need to TALK! ... with a head tech.
Lynn : Don' wanna! *Wah* I want you babe!
Dolly : Nope! Go, go - head tech!
jamie59 24th Jul 2017, 5:37 PM edit delete reply

Cher's still around? How many face lifts is that?
Sheela 24th Jul 2017, 8:55 PM edit delete reply

Sometimes, I'm surprised what references you guys pick up on.
... and which ones you don't !

This one you got though. :)
guest 24th Jul 2017, 8:11 AM edit delete reply
YAY.! go Dolly.!!
antrik 24th Jul 2017, 8:45 AM edit delete reply
It's spooky how, ever since the arrival in Troy, most pages seem pretty much to echo comments made on previous pages...
Sheela 24th Jul 2017, 4:58 PM edit delete reply

Which is funny, because the pages are made in advance.
Tokyo Rose 24th Jul 2017, 5:11 PM edit delete reply

I don't know if this means our readers are just super-good at prediction, or I'm such a shit writer that I'm telegraphing things.
Stormwind13 24th Jul 2017, 5:16 PM edit delete reply

Well, in my opinion, you are NOT a shit writer, Rose! So, I think it is you've engaged everyone and gotten them so interested that they are REALLY paying attention to the story. I know I am! :-D
chk 24th Jul 2017, 5:20 PM edit delete reply

Stormwind is right Rose. No shit.
megados 24th Jul 2017, 5:32 PM edit delete reply

Nah, Rose, I'd say just the opposite. From my perspective, we get to know these people, know them well enough that, like people IRL, that we can imagine how they'll react, and what they might say. I don't see anything telegraphed; just imagine what might happen. You read these comments, you know that some are right, and others wrong, just like always. I think that right now, we're with some people we know pretty well, and in a situation that we can relate to.

And we're on a lucky streak . . . :D
antrik 24th Jul 2017, 6:04 PM edit delete reply
@Tokyo Rose perhaps we just talk so much that every possibility has to come up at some point... ;-)

We still get totally unexpected turns though: such as Acantha's question to Cent-Comm, which no one saw coming.
Sheela 24th Jul 2017, 8:57 PM edit delete reply

When we make 10-20 predictions every day, some of them are likely to turns out right every now and again.
Ictuan 25th Jul 2017, 3:04 PM edit delete reply
Sheela has a good point, if you dig enough holes in the yard you eventually come across the buried bone.
Fenrir 25th Jul 2017, 1:52 AM edit delete reply
I think it's our hive mind is gestalting in reading yours and Terri's surface thoughts from a distance.
Ictuan 25th Jul 2017, 3:05 PM edit delete reply
Resistance is futile.
Ictuan 25th Jul 2017, 3:03 PM edit delete reply
It is probably an indication of how well defined the personalities of the characters are defined, plus how well each character sticks with their personality. I can't imagine how you guys can keep each character so true to their own ways.

Consistent character personalities plus some serious psychoanalyzing of characters in the comments seems to have hit on a formula for discussions to follow and in some cases foretell parts of the story line when it focuses on character interaction without the high action drama we saw in New Rome.
Steven-Vincent 24th Jul 2017, 1:27 PM edit delete reply

Arrogate -- now there is a great word.
Tokyo Rose 24th Jul 2017, 5:22 PM edit delete reply

Isn't it a gem?
Stormwind13 24th Jul 2017, 8:37 PM edit delete reply

I freely admit, I had to look that one up. It was so damn appropriate after I had looked it up, I was impressed anew at your wordsmithing Rose. :-)
Fenrir 25th Jul 2017, 1:54 AM edit delete reply
At first I thought you'd meant abrogate, but as I read further I realized I was wrong.
megados 25th Jul 2017, 7:02 AM edit delete reply

On my first read-through, I mistakenly thought she DID use abrogate, and thought it didn't make sense until I reread it. :/
Ebonbolt 24th Jul 2017, 4:16 PM edit delete reply

Dolly DOES need to be there, just not as the mediator. She's as much a part of the family as Calli or Lynn. And as much in need of working out issues.
antrik 24th Jul 2017, 5:58 PM edit delete reply
I don't think Dolly has any issues to work out with Lynn, though?...

I have doubts it would be helpful to lump it all together.
sigpig 24th Jul 2017, 6:11 PM edit delete reply

Am I the only one that misses the glasses on Dolly? I think a pair look great on her...
Stormwind13 24th Jul 2017, 8:39 PM edit delete reply

Just about anything looks good on Dolly, sigpig. CentComm does a great job in making her look great. The glasses were nice, but she really doesn't need them in here right now. Maybe she'll get somewhere they make sense again.
antrik 25th Jul 2017, 8:20 AM edit delete reply
@sigpig you are just saying that because with glasses, her weird eye location is a little less obvious :-P

(I for my part still think glasses don't look good on anyone, ever.)
Centcomm 25th Jul 2017, 11:38 AM edit delete reply

Wierd eye location? Whaa?
antrik 25th Jul 2017, 12:03 PM edit delete reply
Well, perhaps it's just an illusion: but on the current model, her eyes seem to be located abnormally high for a human face. It makes her look pretty strange IMHO -- kinda like a chimp or something...

(Am I the only one who perceives it that way?...)
megados 25th Jul 2017, 1:43 PM edit delete reply

I think it's an illusion; her bangs are pretty long. If you go by the overall shape of her head, they look OK. She doesn't have a really tall/flat forehead. Her hairline should be about where the silver part of her hair starts.

I don't see it as odd.
Highlander55 25th Jul 2017, 2:02 PM edit delete reply
Off topic but I would still like to see this story in full animation if not live action/CGI some day.
(And Luna Start)
megados 25th Jul 2017, 2:46 PM edit delete reply

I don't think anyone here would disagree with you.
Mark_L_A 25th Jul 2017, 9:02 PM edit delete reply

I wouldn't disagree in the least. I've actually considered making a motion comic out both LunaStar and DataChasers. Problem being I don't have the time or the available voice talent to do so.
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