Comic 1516 - Another Question

1st Aug 2017, 9:00 PM
Another Question
Average Rating: 5 (18 votes)

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Centcomm 3rd Aug 2017, 3:26 PM edit delete
Centcomm
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cattservant 1st Aug 2017, 9:13 PM edit delete reply

Bet she''s running some simulations now!
Stormwind13 2nd Aug 2017, 2:54 AM edit delete reply

When ISN'T CentComm running simulations, catt? :-P
megados 1st Aug 2017, 9:30 PM edit delete reply

Re alt text: One of a few things that would come up, I think.

Lynn's location would be relevant, since she wouldn't be aware of the attempt on Aeneas otherwise.
Visvires 1st Aug 2017, 9:46 PM edit delete reply
Glad to see this. It would have been unjust if she was yelled at for dispatching a rescue team but given a pass on attempted murder.
knuut 1st Aug 2017, 10:18 PM edit delete reply
Not an attempted murder. Cent would see it as an attempt to replace a damaged and deteriorating but heavily armed AI before that AI lost control over it's arsenal to the likes of Decimus. Replacing Aeneas with a copy of herself would be a logical way to avoid a holocaust.
Stormwind13 2nd Aug 2017, 4:58 AM edit delete reply

What is going to matter more, what CentComm thought or what others THINK (like Acantha)? This has the potential to get VERY messy, clash of city states.
knuut 2nd Aug 2017, 7:55 AM edit delete reply
The AI's are the ones with the doomsday weapons and (unless damaged) they always think rationally. With the sole exceptions of Lynn and Calliope Taylor (who seem to have command authority) human and android 'others' don't matter. They haven't the firepower.
Stormwind13 2nd Aug 2017, 9:15 AM edit delete reply

Will Aeneas be 'rational', knuut? Remember Tokyo Rose was trying to preserve Aeneas' personality as he was when repairs began (Personality Matrix from 30 March 2016). What quirks will he carry over when he is fully functional? Will he hold any animosity toward CentComm because of the attempt? I sure don't know, hanging onto the ride to see. :-D
Visvires 2nd Aug 2017, 10:39 PM edit delete reply
Knuut, if her instructions to CeCi included posing as help on repairs, then she considered repairs, and should've waited to see if they fail. That takes self defense off the table. Without it, stating a benefit doesn't defeat the claim of attempted murder, it only explains motive. She tried to kill two artificial intelligences, both of amiable disposition and one of which was her own subordinate. She appears to have been successful in the latter case, though I'm writing the "KIA" in pencil until we see TR again.

On the second topic, I agree with Stormwind. There are going to be catch-backs. And not only because Aeneas is more likely to be irrational, but because the rational response to an attempt on one's life is not likely to be very nice. Distrust is absolutely mandated. In most circumstances, so is some form of reprisal - otherwise, such attempts are free. As with most (all?) good morals, there are rational long term reasons not to break them.
All the Pickles 3rd Aug 2017, 1:49 AM edit delete reply

The way I understood it, Ceci was equipped and possibly programmed to fix the hardware with no concern for the software. She was pretty much supposed to get the systems working and put Centcomm in them, not try to fix Aeneas at all.
Tokyo Rose 3rd Aug 2017, 3:41 PM edit delete reply

Ceci was indeed supposed to only repair the hardware.
Sheela 1st Aug 2017, 10:03 PM edit delete reply

Actually, her location at the time CeCi tried to killAeneas is most pertinent.
After all, if Aeneas had been killed, the local defences could have killed Lynn.

So Lynn *does* have good reason to demand an answer, and I'm not 100% certain Centcomm is capable of denying her one if she downright orders Centcomm to answer.

The Centcomm-Taylor dynamis is an interesting one.
cattservant 1st Aug 2017, 10:15 PM edit delete reply

Amongst many other things, Centcomm is a skilled politician.
Stormwind13 2nd Aug 2017, 4:42 AM edit delete reply

Shades of truth, catt. CentComm doesn't lie; however, some of the things she does with the 'truth' can make one think black is white!
Tokyo Rose 1st Aug 2017, 10:18 PM edit delete reply

Cent-Comm means that Lynn's location at the time of the incident is irrelevant to the subject of her security clearance.
cattservant 1st Aug 2017, 10:28 PM edit delete reply

Thank you for rowing your boat!
megados 2nd Aug 2017, 6:20 AM edit delete reply

@Tokyo Rose, would CentComm be incorrect here? By virtue of Lynn's location, she has witnessed what would be a classified event. That is a key point, since, had she been elsewhere, she would not have been privy to this classified event. By witnessing it, she already has classified intel. Rather than let Lynn speak unfettered about this with who-knows-who, CentComm would do well to read her in at this point.

CentComm must have thought that by sabotaging Dolly, she had reasonably insured against Lynn's ever finding out about this, and/or that this action would be irrelevant to Lynn, (most likely the latter), or both. In any event, she probably dismissed, or never considered, that there would be any connection.

TL;DR: I submit that her location WAS relevant, or this discussion would not be occurring.
Stormwind13 2nd Aug 2017, 6:56 AM edit delete reply

To CentComm is Lynn's knowing of the event justification for her to know the rest (including the thought process behind the decision) megados? Potentially, if Lynn was turned, that knowledge could do even more damage I think.
megados 2nd Aug 2017, 7:15 AM edit delete reply

That's a good point/question, Stormwind13, the answer to which hinges on what would be more damaging: knowledge of the truth, or a speculation fueled by Lynn's imagination. If CentComm would read her in, she could include caveats against discussing it with others, whereas left to her own devices, Lynn might be able to do a lot of damage with unfettered speculation and discussion. My overall point was that Lynn's location brought this about, and it seems more like her security clearance lacked relevance, not her location, because when this classified event took place, there was no deference to possible witnesses. It's a little late to be splitting hairs now.

I can't really answer it, because I don't know just what CentComm's concerns are.
antrik 3rd Aug 2017, 8:21 AM edit delete reply
I'd like to remind everyone that Lynn didn't actually witness the event: the black angel sent her away first. (Possibly for this very reason?...) Lynn only knows because Rosie felt like ranting :-)
Tokyo Rose 2nd Aug 2017, 3:38 PM edit delete reply

@megados

Cent-Comm is definitely not incorrect here. If happenstance causes a person to witness part of a classified incident, it doesn't mean that person is automatically entitled to find out more about said incident. It just means that They Know Too Much. Government agencies around the world and over the course of human history have dealt with such unintended witnesses in a variety of ways, depending on factors such as the danger posed by the observed information. I can't say anything past that because spoilers.
megados 2nd Aug 2017, 5:38 PM edit delete reply

Thanks, @Tokyo Rose. I think the hiccup is that I'm thinking of relevance pertaining to the overall subject, as Lynn wouldn't have brought this up, while CentComm is pertaining only to security clearance. I don't mean to imply that Lynn is entitled to intel because of it.
Icefall Kitsune 2nd Aug 2017, 6:52 AM edit delete reply

In regards to panel 2, Lynn asks "Why". As TR states, the "Why" is above Lynn's security rating. Lynn's location is irrelevant in the context of "Why" Cent ordered the attempt.

A better question would be "Why did you try to kill Aeneas while I was in the vicinity?"

For our artist & writer: I have been reading your works for awhile now and I must say you two are the main reason for me to begin drawing and writing again. Love you both :)
Centcomm 2nd Aug 2017, 2:51 PM edit delete reply

that is a hell of a compliment!
Oberoten 3rd Aug 2017, 1:36 PM edit delete reply

I will second that compliment with the following, I was in a GM funk for a long time before I found Datachasers... And I got right out of it, inspiration dripping onto my paper like liquid gold.
knuut 2nd Aug 2017, 9:04 AM edit delete reply
And if I was Lynn I would be worrying that CentCom was posting "Will no one rid me of this meddlesome Taylor?" in the AI chat room.
Sheela 3rd Aug 2017, 2:45 AM edit delete reply

Well, now is the time that Calliope can use the fact that Centcomm sabotaged Dolly's ship asleverage against Centcomm.
Who knows what Dolly would add, if she found out that Centcomm had admitted to the sabotage ?
Heck, Lynn could even use the fact that Centcomm tried to kill Aeneas as blackmail.
Centcomm's position isn't as strong as she would like it to be.
antrik 3rd Aug 2017, 8:30 AM edit delete reply
I'm not sure any of this really provides any leverage against Commie. She said pretty clearly that she stands by her decisions. Of course she might still prefer information not spreading too much -- but if forced to choose between that or succumbing to blackmail, I suspect she'd consider it the lesser evil. Same reason "one does not bargain with terrorists"...
HiFranc 1st Aug 2017, 10:44 PM edit delete reply

I can't help but wonder if Lynn is going to reveal that they ran to Aeneas after Acantha's half brother attempted to rape her. When Centcomm finds out just how deep the war between Acantha and Decimus goes, will she override the psychologist?
megados 2nd Aug 2017, 11:08 AM edit delete reply

Good question, HiFranc. I would say that Lynn should mention it. It's difficult to say just what CentComm would do with the information. I don't think she'd override the therapist, but she might put in a good word. :)
Tokyo Rose 2nd Aug 2017, 3:42 PM edit delete reply

In this context, does "after" mean "chronologically", or "as a direct consequence of"?
HiFranc 2nd Aug 2017, 11:27 PM edit delete reply

A bit of each.
Sheela 3rd Aug 2017, 2:48 AM edit delete reply

Frankly, she *should* see the therapist.
But also, she should tell the therapist about the attempted rape, that might make the therapist ease up on the "ban" against seeing Acantha.

After all, it's all well and good if Lynn is fine, but if you end up with a foreign VIP going bonkers because they ended up lonely in a hospital bed, that could be just as bad.
Gilrandir 3rd Aug 2017, 6:14 AM edit delete reply
Why assume that Acantha's grip on mental stability is tenuous just as a means of retroactively justifying Lynn's bad behavior? It may or may not be. It is plausible either way, but we have seen no evidence of it. What little we have seen of Acantha so far shows her bearing up quite well.
antrik 3rd Aug 2017, 8:06 AM edit delete reply
I'm not so sure of that: the nurse had to threaten sedating her...

Either way, I don't think this is about retroactively justifying anything, but rather about how to handle things going forward.

(Personally, I still think Lynn's overreaction was mostly justified given the circumstances...)
megados 3rd Aug 2017, 8:41 AM edit delete reply

"(Personally, I still think Lynn's overreaction was mostly justified given the circumstances...)"

If it's justified, then it isn't an overreaction. ;)
megados 3rd Aug 2017, 5:59 AM edit delete reply

Chronologically, yes. "As a consequence of" seems more remote; they wanted to avoid Decimus' "roundup", seemed the more immediate concern.

Also, Acantha's mental health and emotional stability could well be in question, after all she has been through. Lynn's therapist should welcome, and take any opportunity to observe them together.
mjkj 1st Aug 2017, 11:12 PM edit delete reply

*lol* Cent, she got you - I wonder if you will answer her regardless of clearance...

Stormwind13 2nd Aug 2017, 2:56 AM edit delete reply

Sounds like she isn't quite done, mjkj. The "However" at the end seems to indicate she is going to provide more information. Wait to see what CentComm releases to Lynn.
Ebonbolt 3rd Aug 2017, 1:17 AM edit delete reply

There's always a "but" & it often stinks. Nice cliffhanger tactic, tho'.
Mister Black 2nd Aug 2017, 4:37 PM edit delete reply

Of course Centcomm will answer Lynn.
Remember that "No", "**** off", and "Shut the **** up and go the **** away" are all answers, even if they aren't the ones you want.

Sheela 3rd Aug 2017, 2:49 AM edit delete reply

I usually respond with a bite !! :D

People don't like that either. :(
antrik 3rd Aug 2017, 8:08 AM edit delete reply
@Mister Black eh, these certainly qualify as *responses* -- but not exactly as *answers* :-)
Rashala 1st Aug 2017, 11:48 PM edit delete reply

*gets popcorn and a mega phone to watch centys explanation*


Oh this should be good. Wonder if shell also rationalize cecis death in the answer.




*also schedules a meeting with tedee to deliver a surprise for her on Sunday*
Deoxy 2nd Aug 2017, 6:31 AM edit delete reply
Ceci's death is quite easy to rationalize: there wasn't supposed to be anyone there to die, and the orders were given and non-retractable before that person existed.

It's like having a bomb gain sentience after it's dropped.
Visvires 2nd Aug 2017, 10:48 PM edit delete reply
Ok. But wouldn't it still be negligent homicide, given that the bombs were known to do that, at some frequency?
Rashala 2nd Aug 2017, 11:48 PM edit delete reply

True however a bomb is merely a device that counts down or activates at proper signal and then explodes. A simple non intelligent device.....what said bomb was housed in was not just a plastic mannequin but a living thinking being wvho had no idea of its existence inside them. And since centy sent her there knowing the bomb would likely activate and kill her, makes it more a premeditated murder than anything else
Tokyo Rose 3rd Aug 2017, 6:27 AM edit delete reply

@Visivres

The "bombs", in this case, were not known to do that at all.
antrik 3rd Aug 2017, 8:13 AM edit delete reply
Dr. Bitchy's quip in "Conflicts..." (presently at http://datachasers.thecomicseries.com/comics/851 ) seems to suggest otherwise?...
Tokyo Rose 3rd Aug 2017, 3:47 PM edit delete reply

@antrik

Dr. Silver was needling Marcus. She has no knowledge of this happening to a Black Angel, because this has never happened to a Black Angel.
Deoxy 4th Aug 2017, 7:05 AM edit delete reply
"Ok. But wouldn't it still be negligent homicide, given that the bombs were known to do that, at some frequency?"

Since this was the first Black Angel ever known to spark, no.
Haegan2005 2nd Aug 2017, 4:40 AM edit delete reply

This is beautiful!

And I bet Cent and Rose spent a good deal of thought on the next page. Though it may not have been recently as it is a major plot point from the last arc.
Stormwind13 2nd Aug 2017, 5:47 AM edit delete reply

And there is Lynn being Lynn. I didn't think she would quit so tamely. She is too frustrated to keep quiet!
megados 2nd Aug 2017, 6:31 AM edit delete reply

I don't think she quit, Stormwind13. It looks like she was flustered by CentComm's response, and was about to get spun up again, when CentComm interrupted with "However ...".
Stormwind13 2nd Aug 2017, 7:01 AM edit delete reply

I was referring to the previous page, where it looked like CentComm had managed to 'scare' her into silence. Didn't last long though, as she came back mouth blazing. :-D
megados 2nd Aug 2017, 7:18 AM edit delete reply

Ah, OK, I misunderstood. :)
Ebonbolt 3rd Aug 2017, 1:20 AM edit delete reply

"Mouth blazing"… is that a cross between "guns blazing" and "shooting your mouth off"?
Stormwind13 3rd Aug 2017, 7:26 AM edit delete reply

In Lynn's current state, I would say DEFINITELY! :-D
KarToon12 2nd Aug 2017, 2:42 PM edit delete reply

"That is not a question."

Gotta' love the smart mouth. XD
Romfire 2nd Aug 2017, 3:50 PM edit delete reply
I don't think Dolly and Calliope are going to sit back and let Cent slide on this one.
I think she may be ordered to explain herself.
Ictuan 2nd Aug 2017, 7:29 PM edit delete reply
I think a good bowl of popcorn event would be Cent having to explain herself and being hauled on the carpet for trying to kill Aeneas and for not having a contingency for something like the attempt putting Lynn's life in danger. All those simulations she ran and it didn't occur to her that some messed up chain of events could put Lynn in the vicinity of Aeneas and at risk if the assassination attempt was carried out. Nor was there a contingency for what to do if Aeneas wasn't in as bad of condition as Cent thought. The assassination attempt was a human level snafu. It should have been totally avoidable with Cent's level of scenario computation ability.
antrik 3rd Aug 2017, 8:17 AM edit delete reply
Well, the black angel *did* send Lynn and the others away, to avoid harm from the possible fallout...
megados 2nd Aug 2017, 8:33 PM edit delete reply

Dolly, in particular, might have a couple of pointed questions for CentComm as well. I wonder if or when she will get her opportunity.
HiFranc 3rd Aug 2017, 1:59 PM edit delete reply

After a lot of searching, I think I've found the programme that talked about research:
www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/allinthemind/the-mind-in-crisis-to-debrief-or-not-to-debrief/2996966

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This is also worth a read:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2964043/
Stormwind13 3rd Aug 2017, 5:48 PM edit delete reply

That is an awesome new incentive. Thank you for sharing, CentComm. And thank you Dizzaster. She looks great!
megados 3rd Aug 2017, 6:12 PM edit delete reply

Seconded. A nice surprise!
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