I've found that what most dudes think of as "cold reason" is really just "stubborn arrogance" and refusing to address any issues that might involve emotion. Because emotion is male Kryptonite, you see. They drop and choke at the slightest hint of it.
(Yes, I'm sarcastic, and yes, I'm a dude. I just absolutely hate dismissive faux-intellectual stuff like this)
I have found that a person can't use such a broad brush, such as females are this, and males are that. It just doesn't work that way. There are tendencies, but that's all they are: tendencies. Each person is different, and react in different ways.
CentComm here, is doing a good job of calming Lynn down by shining a spotlight on the elephant in the room. In order to resolve issues, they must first be identified. CentComm has now highlighted a major one.
Two sides to this.
The first is that many (not all but strong plurality) will dwell on their feelings for a person, situation, or thing sometimes to the detriment of seeing what the person, situation, or this actually is. This is further complicated by the fact that emotions are strongly effected by other influences that are outside of what is currently being reacted to. This is why men often feel that women are "not seeing reality"
The flip side to this is that many men (again plurality) are focused so hard on what they see a "the answer right in front of them" and their drive to "solve" the problem that they don't take into account the emotional impact or the need to address how another person is feeling in the moment.
Something that I found very helpfully in bridging this gap was a single line in my first year Psychology 101 studies "...this must be addressed because a persons feelings are real even if they have nothing to do with reality." Keeping this logic in mind can allow you to accept and address a persons emotional state without necessarily accepting the premise it is built on.
@Jarin to be fair, I think "dudes" in general only refuse to address issues involving emotions in the sense of not wanting to *talk* about them -- which doesn't necessarily mean they want to ignore them altogether... Women on the other hand often do not realise that dudes tend to make such a distinction. It's one of the prevalent male-female communication failures; and like with any communication failure, neither party is entirely blameless.
@knuut I doubt this is the reason. Getting into such situations frequently, is a strong indication that they *already* lost respect for you -- probably for entirely different reasons.
(Unfortunately, the actual reasons are usually non-obvious; often even counter-intuitive... And there is little hope to figure them out without a firm grasp of psychology.)
"Cold Reason" is mostly a maddeningly effective way of convincing yourself you're right while utterly missing the point. Keep in mind that most arguments are not about anything that can be addressed by logic. Nobody gets passionate about mere facts. If anybody is angry, or scared, or hurt, you can reason about why but reasoning is not what's going to make it better.
You don't "win" that kind of argument. If anybody's TRYING to win, it's a sure sign that you've both already lost.
Possibly Mike; however, I don't believe anyone is armed here. Plus after TeeDee shot one doll I believe CentComm started wearing a forcefield belt (cannot see it to be sure) to prevent a repeat. :-)
It would be a huge tactical advantage for a combat AI to have as complete an understanding of the human emotional psyche as possible (and with 600+ years of observations, Probably much better than the humans have of themselves). She can use her dollies to display whatever emotions will elicit useful reactions from the humans she is interacting with while keeping her own (probably un-human) feelings hidden and apart.
I'm still trying to understand why Centcom thinks it's a good idea to be such a willful ass to the person who is next in line to be her primary caretaker.
The only thing I can think of is that Cent thinks she has been given too much free rein in the recent past, and if she cajoles her keepers enough, and only if she cajoles her keepers enough, they will take steps to tighten the leash on her so that she cannot do the things she fears she would probably do if left unchecked.
Lynn's boyfriend is Kyle Lemar. And we know that he is into AI and robotics. Lynn may follow her own path. However, it's not unfathomable for Kyle to eventually move to New Troy (to be close to Lynn) and work in AI or robotics there. And, assuming Lynn does settle down with Kyle one day, perhaps he might work with Cent-Comm?
@xpacetrue, that would be a logical outcome. It has been hinted at, that the Taylor genes are tied to CentComm, and with Kyle working in AI, together they could be the next gen. CentComm caretakers.
One flaw with Kyle working on CentComm though. He is a KNOWN agent of Tokyo Rose. I'm not sure CentComm will let him into New Troy, let alone her core! :-D
Good point, Stormwind. I forgot about that.
It's a long-shot, but perhaps some years down the road after Kyle retires from TR's secret service and, after removal of TR's implants and submitting to Cent-Comm's oh-so-thorough scans, Cent might (and I mean might) allow Kyle to work his way up to such a position?
I know... But, other than his entanglement with TR, I thought he would make such a good fit for the position.
I guess I don't dismiss it as easily. I mean it makes sense if conditions remain static, but when has that ever happened in DataChasers?
Kyle worked with Tokyo Rose ONE time, and after he tried his botched rescue attempt, Rose pretty much grabbed him by the balls. He was an agent only in that he wanted to do what he could for Lynn's sake.
If CentComm is half as able to calculate as she is made out to be, she will be able to figure out that Kyle was not engaged in anything inimical to her or New Troy, and was able to aid in repairing Aeneas. If she holds THAT against him it's just sour grapes and spite.
I don't think I'm ready to discard the possibility so easily.
I don't think that one ESCAPES, erm I mean retires, from Tokyo Rose's service, megados. Agents probably get some awesome vacations; however, as soon as Rose needs them... back into Hell (or Phoenix :-D) they go!
Your chances of being right are several times greater than mine here, Stormwind13. :D
You know though, the creative duo here are fond of, and capable of throwing a curve here and there. For all we know, CentComm and Tokyo Rose will end up being besties! XD
I'm sure Aeneas will speak highly of both Rose and Kyle.
And nature can be good at sneaking little surprises into your life.
Ok, so maybe it wasn't a *small* surprise per se, when this dude went kayaking, but still.
Luckily, we can make up for it with adorable cat videos! :)
(Warning : Many feels, they're adorable, try not to cry Centcomm)
I happen to like blunt?ness specially in my doctor no dancing around it just tell me what's what and let's go from there.
Also MERRY CHRISTMAS early tedee!!
*with a flourish unveils. The MMMT mark 2*
The Mega Mecha Murderturd mark 2.
Complete with formfitting riding space, dual smart tracking gattling plasma cannons, mouth mounted bio degradable shock nets with two setting out cold and deepfried. In deepfry mode the mmmt can eat the wrapped target and convert it to fuel and ammo. Back mounted surface to air,surface , low orbit and anti personell missile launchers. With variable ammo loadouts from non to super lethal.
But wait there is more the mmmtis armored with a composite nano-natural my armor carapace able to shrug off medium to heavy artilary strikes just like the wholeyorganic version but without risk of limb or pilot loss. The MMMT also comes with the latest sensors, counter ecm and ECCM units as well as thermoptic camouflage! Is the won't know what just ran em over.
And the price de restance, the whole unique scorpion rail cannon mounted in the tail, capable of firing anti personnel rounds, anti automated unit emp rounds, gas rounds, and the all new variable yield anti-matter round, with yield capable of blowing a six foot hole in a wall, blowing an enemy bunker open or turning ten square blocks into a parking lot.
Included with you new mmmt is the following.
1 lifetime repair warranty it gets broke it will be fixed free of charge, 1 surround sound speaker system when you want the enemy to hear ride of the valkeries as you come at the. And!!!!! One self stocking inbuilt fridge stocked with the best new troy beers one can get their hand on!
Enjoy tedee * hands over the control fob* figured I owe you something good for making it back, and since rose stole the mega mecha smaug I made ya a few years ago.
Cent-Comm - the perfect and unchanging big sister that got all the attention.
So... what can be done about this? Cold logic can only go so far. How about... (cut to a couple of hours later)
Cent: *enters room*
Calliope: *glances across* *!!!!* Cent! What happened!? Half of your hair's missing, you've got damage all over, and... someone's written something - "BITCH" - on your forehead. No, wait- *looks round the right side of Cent's head, where most of the hair is missing* "SMARTASS BITCH"! And... isn't that Lynn's handwriting? *!?!*
Cent: It is. But don't worry - the damage to this doll is peripheral at worst, and I think this little psychodrama will have made a major inroad against her negative feelings towards me. Indeed, I would probably provoked such an exchange years ago had the necessary conditions existed.
Calliope: Where is she? Lynn- wait, are you saying you provoked this???
Cent: Yes, I did. Lynn is fine, and heading to a predicted location. Now, I have some footage to leak in a precisely-timed manner.
Calliope: What? And... why is your remaining hair wet?
Cent: Guess.
Meanwhile...
Teedee: Ada! Over here! Get a load of this! *hands over smartphone, starts video* Sent to me by an anonymous wellwisher 'n' shit - didn't wanna risk forwarding it to you through our commnet.
Ada: *stares at violent footage on smartphone* Oh my...
Teedee: Yeah... all the times I've wanted to do that! :-D And listen to the mouth on Lynn! She could give me a run for my money! Oh- and here's the best bit!
Ada: *!!!* I... didn't think people still did that. Especially since modern sanitary-
Teedee: *sees Lynn walk out of nearby building entrance* Holy fuck! *points* There she is! The woman of the moment!
Lynn: *waves to Teedee and Ada* Hi, er-
Teedee: Girl, you rock! What you just did to Cent will live on in fucking legend!!! *shoulder glomp* This calls for a goddamn celebration!!
Lynn: That's... just what I was thinking! Lead the way, girlfriend! :-)
Cent (watching via surveillance net) Just as planned. And tomorrow we can begin stage three.
Calliope: Fine... now, if you're not going to swap out that doll or get it to maintenance, would you please go and wash your hair!
I could have EASILY seen this Goat... before Lynn's "Holy Shit" comment. Now, not able to. I think CentComm stole all the self-righteous wind out of Lynn's sails.
She played the "big sister" card. I'm not sure she properly modeled all potential outcomes of this action. Lynn now has a big sister. As a younger sibling myself, there's a ton of things one can do with that.
Cent is probably qualified as a psychologist (generations of observation, on top of tactical acumen, which is partly psychology), but I think psychiatrist is a stretch. She's a little too attached to the "good of the many" mindset (for good reason, but still…).
CentComm (the artist) kept things interesting here (in my opinion). The people really aren't moving around, but she altered the camera angles to keep it from going stale. I'm pretty sure some of those angles were more difficult to do, but the artist pulled them off so easily that I took it in stride. I want to compliment her on her (effortless :-D) work in keeping the page fresh. Thank you, CentComm. :-)
(But she's right)
(Yes, I'm sarcastic, and yes, I'm a dude. I just absolutely hate dismissive faux-intellectual stuff like this)
CentComm here, is doing a good job of calming Lynn down by shining a spotlight on the elephant in the room. In order to resolve issues, they must first be identified. CentComm has now highlighted a major one.
The first is that many (not all but strong plurality) will dwell on their feelings for a person, situation, or thing sometimes to the detriment of seeing what the person, situation, or this actually is. This is further complicated by the fact that emotions are strongly effected by other influences that are outside of what is currently being reacted to. This is why men often feel that women are "not seeing reality"
The flip side to this is that many men (again plurality) are focused so hard on what they see a "the answer right in front of them" and their drive to "solve" the problem that they don't take into account the emotional impact or the need to address how another person is feeling in the moment.
Something that I found very helpfully in bridging this gap was a single line in my first year Psychology 101 studies "...this must be addressed because a persons feelings are real even if they have nothing to do with reality." Keeping this logic in mind can allow you to accept and address a persons emotional state without necessarily accepting the premise it is built on.
(Unfortunately, the actual reasons are usually non-obvious; often even counter-intuitive... And there is little hope to figure them out without a firm grasp of psychology.)
You don't "win" that kind of argument. If anybody's TRYING to win, it's a sure sign that you've both already lost.
...and yes, Callie, you did that...
The only thing I can think of is that Cent thinks she has been given too much free rein in the recent past, and if she cajoles her keepers enough, and only if she cajoles her keepers enough, they will take steps to tighten the leash on her so that she cannot do the things she fears she would probably do if left unchecked.
It's a long-shot, but perhaps some years down the road after Kyle retires from TR's secret service and, after removal of TR's implants and submitting to Cent-Comm's oh-so-thorough scans, Cent might (and I mean might) allow Kyle to work his way up to such a position?
I know... But, other than his entanglement with TR, I thought he would make such a good fit for the position.
Kyle worked with Tokyo Rose ONE time, and after he tried his botched rescue attempt, Rose pretty much grabbed him by the balls. He was an agent only in that he wanted to do what he could for Lynn's sake.
If CentComm is half as able to calculate as she is made out to be, she will be able to figure out that Kyle was not engaged in anything inimical to her or New Troy, and was able to aid in repairing Aeneas. If she holds THAT against him it's just sour grapes and spite.
I don't think I'm ready to discard the possibility so easily.
You know though, the creative duo here are fond of, and capable of throwing a curve here and there. For all we know, CentComm and Tokyo Rose will end up being besties! XD
I'm sure Aeneas will speak highly of both Rose and Kyle.
>8=|> Goat in a labcoat making an educated guess.
Have you been in the gene labs again????
... mayyybe ...
*looks innocent*
And nature can be good at sneaking little surprises into your life.
Ok, so maybe it wasn't a *small* surprise per se, when this dude went kayaking, but still.
Luckily, we can make up for it with adorable cat videos! :)
(Warning : Many feels, they're adorable, try not to cry Centcomm)
http://flovyel.com/common-characteristics-of-dwarfism-in-miniature-horses/
Also MERRY CHRISTMAS early tedee!!
*with a flourish unveils. The MMMT mark 2*
The Mega Mecha Murderturd mark 2.
Complete with formfitting riding space, dual smart tracking gattling plasma cannons, mouth mounted bio degradable shock nets with two setting out cold and deepfried. In deepfry mode the mmmt can eat the wrapped target and convert it to fuel and ammo. Back mounted surface to air,surface , low orbit and anti personell missile launchers. With variable ammo loadouts from non to super lethal.
But wait there is more the mmmtis armored with a composite nano-natural my armor carapace able to shrug off medium to heavy artilary strikes just like the wholeyorganic version but without risk of limb or pilot loss. The MMMT also comes with the latest sensors, counter ecm and ECCM units as well as thermoptic camouflage! Is the won't know what just ran em over.
And the price de restance, the whole unique scorpion rail cannon mounted in the tail, capable of firing anti personnel rounds, anti automated unit emp rounds, gas rounds, and the all new variable yield anti-matter round, with yield capable of blowing a six foot hole in a wall, blowing an enemy bunker open or turning ten square blocks into a parking lot.
Included with you new mmmt is the following.
1 lifetime repair warranty it gets broke it will be fixed free of charge, 1 surround sound speaker system when you want the enemy to hear ride of the valkeries as you come at the. And!!!!! One self stocking inbuilt fridge stocked with the best new troy beers one can get their hand on!
Enjoy tedee * hands over the control fob* figured I owe you something good for making it back, and since rose stole the mega mecha smaug I made ya a few years ago.
So... what can be done about this? Cold logic can only go so far. How about... (cut to a couple of hours later)
Cent: *enters room*
Calliope: *glances across* *!!!!* Cent! What happened!? Half of your hair's missing, you've got damage all over, and... someone's written something - "BITCH" - on your forehead. No, wait- *looks round the right side of Cent's head, where most of the hair is missing* "SMARTASS BITCH"! And... isn't that Lynn's handwriting? *!?!*
Cent: It is. But don't worry - the damage to this doll is peripheral at worst, and I think this little psychodrama will have made a major inroad against her negative feelings towards me. Indeed, I would probably provoked such an exchange years ago had the necessary conditions existed.
Calliope: Where is she? Lynn- wait, are you saying you provoked this???
Cent: Yes, I did. Lynn is fine, and heading to a predicted location. Now, I have some footage to leak in a precisely-timed manner.
Calliope: What? And... why is your remaining hair wet?
Cent: Guess.
Meanwhile...
Teedee: Ada! Over here! Get a load of this! *hands over smartphone, starts video* Sent to me by an anonymous wellwisher 'n' shit - didn't wanna risk forwarding it to you through our commnet.
Ada: *stares at violent footage on smartphone* Oh my...
Teedee: Yeah... all the times I've wanted to do that! :-D And listen to the mouth on Lynn! She could give me a run for my money! Oh- and here's the best bit!
Ada: *!!!* I... didn't think people still did that. Especially since modern sanitary-
Teedee: *sees Lynn walk out of nearby building entrance* Holy fuck! *points* There she is! The woman of the moment!
Lynn: *waves to Teedee and Ada* Hi, er-
Teedee: Girl, you rock! What you just did to Cent will live on in fucking legend!!! *shoulder glomp* This calls for a goddamn celebration!!
Lynn: That's... just what I was thinking! Lead the way, girlfriend! :-)
Cent (watching via surveillance net) Just as planned. And tomorrow we can begin stage three.
Calliope: Fine... now, if you're not going to swap out that doll or get it to maintenance, would you please go and wash your hair!
>:=)>
Also, I just noticed the tat on Calli's abdomen. I'm wondering when that happened (in story).