Comic 1531 - Athena's Review

10th Oct 2017, 9:00 PM
Athena's Review
Average Rating: 5 (21 votes)

Author Notes:

Centcomm 17th Oct 2017, 2:44 PM edit delete
OK with any luck the Vid card issues are dealt with for now. HUGS all of you .. thank you one and all!
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cattservant 10th Oct 2017, 9:07 PM edit delete reply

That just about covers it!
Sheela 11th Oct 2017, 4:25 AM edit delete reply

Yeah, and she's supposedly the *slow* one.

I'd hate to see what happens to Centcomm when someone who's really smart starts digging into her. :D
Tokyo Rose 11th Oct 2017, 4:58 PM edit delete reply

Developmental delays are delays, not complete halts. ;)
megados 11th Oct 2017, 7:51 PM edit delete reply

That's a good point.
Some Ed 12th Oct 2017, 8:06 AM edit delete reply
Developmental delays are not always delays. Sometimes someone goes so fast the people around them can't believe they've gotten to where they are. Or maybe don't even understand where they are.

"The poor thing is so feeble-minded, she can't seem to grasp the concept of Santa Claus." Said of someone who noticed some scalability issues when she was first told of him at two years old.

I had a fourth grade teacher who thought I had problems understanding the distinction between letters and numbers, because I attempted to show that I not only understood the math she was attempting to teach me, but also algebra... even after I told her it was algebra.
Ebonbolt 16th Oct 2017, 4:03 PM edit delete reply

Often, difficulties in one area are "compensated" in another or "slow start" cases think in ways so different from everyone else it leaves us all baffled (A. Einstein, for instance). IQ scores (what everyone thinks of as a single "intelligence rating") are actually composites of several separate areas of ability. Sounds like Athena is somewhat gifted in "interpersonal" intelligence (yes, that's a thing); she cuts right through the BS, & guts the argument before it can start.
antrik 16th Oct 2017, 10:36 PM edit delete reply
Last time I heard there was perpetual debate on whether there are actually different kinds of intelligence, or it's just that our imperfect methods of measurement always mix in other skill areas...

Haven't heard of "interpersonal intelligence" yet? I just know that thing called "emotional intelligence" -- which is entirely unrelated to IQ...
velvetsanity 17th Oct 2017, 1:16 PM edit delete reply

Interpersonal...essentially how well you relate to and understand other people.

As for the debate about whether there are multiple types of intelligence...I’m more interested in the arguments and blowups that will be caused when someone suggests multiple types of logic
megados 17th Oct 2017, 5:26 PM edit delete reply

@velvetsanity, I wouldn't suggest that. Logical elements can be strung together in different ways, but if they're purely logical elements, their function should be immutable. Differences can arise due to different ways of ordering them, in the same way that mathematical hierarchy orders mathematical operations, and improper order causes improper outcomes. Logical tenets don't change; the application of them does.

That's my opinion if Sheela doesn't grab it. :D
Thormation 10th Oct 2017, 9:07 PM edit delete reply

It's funny because she says it would be pointless to criticize Cent, and then she does it anyway, in the guise of being understanding.

Sheela 11th Oct 2017, 4:26 AM edit delete reply

And then she pats her on the head!

*pat* *pat* *pat* :D
Phoebe 11th Oct 2017, 6:47 AM edit delete reply
Criticise? She's not critisising, she's describing! :)
Sheela 12th Oct 2017, 12:20 PM edit delete reply

Summarising seems more like it. >_<
KarToon12 10th Oct 2017, 9:11 PM edit delete reply

Grandma totally gets it.
Centcomm 11th Oct 2017, 1:47 PM edit delete reply

she really does!
DLKmusic 10th Oct 2017, 10:04 PM edit delete reply

I'm wearing Hip-boots, cause it's getting knee deep in here!

It has been said that Diplomacy is the ability to tell someone to go to Hell in such a way that they will look forward to the trip...
Ebonbolt 10th Oct 2017, 10:23 PM edit delete reply

…Or tell them they're full of crap in such a way that they agree & thank you for the assessment.
Centcomm 11th Oct 2017, 1:47 PM edit delete reply

agreed Ebon and DLK
Boren 16th Oct 2017, 4:04 PM edit delete reply
That would be Winston Churchill
"Tact is the art of telling someone to got to hell in such a manor as they look forward to the trip"
DLKmusic 16th Oct 2017, 11:02 PM edit delete reply

@Boren: I didn't know Churchill said it... I thought it was Henry Kissinger, to be honest.

Either way, I would say that the source is knowledgeable on the subject, lol!
Howard 10th Oct 2017, 11:03 PM edit delete reply
you can tell this women has had a lifetime of dealing with Cent's logic. And also dealing with emotional, stubborn people. she cuts trough all the bull like a hot knife through butter.
Centcomm 11th Oct 2017, 1:46 PM edit delete reply

she hates double talk and politics but can play the game as needed.
antrik 10th Oct 2017, 11:23 PM edit delete reply
In the spirit of Lewis Carroll:

Be condescending with your big A.I.,
And mock her when she weasels:
She only does it to deny,
Or justify her evils.
Gilrandir 10th Oct 2017, 11:57 PM edit delete reply
A very nice bit of verse. Well done.
Sheela 11th Oct 2017, 4:29 AM edit delete reply

Hah, that's very appropriate. :)
megados 11th Oct 2017, 4:54 AM edit delete reply

Good one, antrik :)
Centcomm 11th Oct 2017, 1:46 PM edit delete reply

Niiiice :D
DLKmusic 11th Oct 2017, 2:20 PM edit delete reply

Well done, Antrik!
guest 11th Oct 2017, 4:17 PM edit delete reply
nicely done.!
Just_IDD 10th Oct 2017, 11:29 PM edit delete reply
Wow, just WOW.
if you were to distill the entire writing and the entire awesome Epic Story down to one page this would be it for Centcom's motivation. Not it for the story of course if you were just still the whole story down to one page it would be pretty boring.

I love her patting Cent like puppy whilst delives awsomesaucy
Gilrandir 10th Oct 2017, 11:57 PM edit delete reply
In my opinion, this page is excellently well-written and very nicely expressed. I also agree that the head-pats are perfectly appropriate to the tone and the sentiment. A person reacting to CentComm according to the entity that she is, rather than trying to evaluate her against human standards.
Sheela 11th Oct 2017, 4:32 AM edit delete reply

Ha ha, yeah, Athena has figured Centcomm out.
And there isn't a damn thing, that Centcomm can do about it.

That's the funny part about it, Centcomm is completely defenseless against Athena. :)
Centcomm 11th Oct 2017, 1:46 PM edit delete reply

Athena is a expert at Verbal disarms.
mjkj 11th Oct 2017, 12:59 AM edit delete reply

Wow, Grandma really knows how Cent ticks... =D
Centcomm 11th Oct 2017, 1:46 PM edit delete reply

yes she does.
megados 11th Oct 2017, 4:53 AM edit delete reply

Athena has been around Cent the longest of everyone here, and it shows! (Can Cent be shamed into admitting errors?)

Well done, Rose! Nice job of verbally flanking CentComm.

Also, DC is now 8 on TWC!
Sheela 11th Oct 2017, 7:40 AM edit delete reply

Eight is nice.
Centcomm 11th Oct 2017, 11:14 AM edit delete reply

Im kinda in shock.. >_>
All the Pickles 11th Oct 2017, 2:13 PM edit delete reply

Yeah, what's up with that? Did they change back to the old voting algorithm or did the DC readership drastically increase all of a sudden?
DLKmusic 11th Oct 2017, 2:24 PM edit delete reply

@All the pickles: I think they instituted a new anti-bot algorithm in their voting engine. It's been much better behaved the past couple of months.
guest 12th Oct 2017, 7:23 AM edit delete reply
can she "Yes " , will she " NO ".. as Athena said "she can not show weakness"..
an as I say,, she will only show that weakness to a select few, ( 2 are in the room.)..
chk 11th Oct 2017, 7:34 AM edit delete reply

Treating Cent-Comm like a child. Love it.
Gilrandir 11th Oct 2017, 8:01 AM edit delete reply
A case could be made that CentComm is an enfant terrible, locked by her nature into a permanent state of arrested development. Presumably change (i.e., growth) is much harder for CentComm because she is wired to prevent it, not encourage it.

We also haven't yet heard CentComm's retort to Lynn: "If it is so terrible to create a Black Angel as a sentient being and then use it as a necessary tool for the greater good, what about me? How do you defend my imposed servitude to New Troy? At least the term of the Black Angel's existence is mercifully short, followed by a compassionate release."
megados 11th Oct 2017, 9:18 AM edit delete reply

You make good points @Gilrandir, and I agree. CentComm's last statement here, though, could be construed to infer that she would prefer euthanasia to her current existence, which I don't think is the case.
Gilrandir 11th Oct 2017, 10:18 AM edit delete reply
"Preference" is a tricky term with CentComm. She'd have to construct a weighted trade matrix encompassing all variables and do the math. ^_^

I agree CentComm appears to be working her way to a modus vivendi that provides her with satisfaction, if not joy. (Slow change isn't no change, after all.) But I also suspect she is cognizant of the struggles she has endured to get there as well. After all, if the wholesale slaughter of millions of lives wasn't 'painful' to her in some way, why the Armistice Rebellion in the first place?

(As always, the above opinions expressed are mine. Mine! Mine, I say! You can't have them! Hssss! .... Well, ... okay. You can have some of them ... if you want. Only some, though. Make sure you leave enough for me. ... You can have a little more than that -- not too much, though! That's good! Stop right there. We can share those opinions -- 'cause we're friends now, right?)
DLKmusic 11th Oct 2017, 2:19 PM edit delete reply

@Gilrandir: ROFL! after that last paragraph, all I can see is Daffy Duck screaming "Mine, Mine, Mine! I'm a greedy opinionator!"
Gilrandir 11th Oct 2017, 3:36 PM edit delete reply
When I wrote it, the mental voice that kept popping up was King Julian from "Madagascar". ^_^
megados 11th Oct 2017, 3:31 PM edit delete reply


Sure, we can share opinions at times! Just as long as they don't get mixed up! >_< :P :D

As near as I can figure, a God Machine wouldn't really have to build anything; those kinds of decision-making constructs would necessarily be part of the main analysis engine, and could be loaded and unloaded on the fly. Variable values updated in terms of picoseconds in continuous stream available for update or further refinement instantaneously. CentComm would be aware of her preference table at all times, as it is continuously updated. I guess it would be safe to say that it's when WE actually examine what she has there that it gets "odd".
Centcomm 11th Oct 2017, 1:45 PM edit delete reply

ill not comment on her childnishness.. but she can be .. diffrent.
Sheela 12th Oct 2017, 12:24 PM edit delete reply

Ok, so which opinions can *I* have then ?
Gilrandir 12th Oct 2017, 12:52 PM edit delete reply
If we are friends, @Sheela, then you can share my opinions if you like.

Otherwise, you must wait and see which crumbs of opinion drop when we table the discussion. ^_^
megados 12th Oct 2017, 4:32 PM edit delete reply

I consider everyone friends here; anyone who wishes to share my opinions are free to do so. Even the good ones! :D
Sheela 13th Oct 2017, 2:16 AM edit delete reply

Mine, MINE!
All of them, MINE!!

On a completely unrelated note : I have some barely used opinions for sale! :)
wright1 11th Oct 2017, 10:52 AM edit delete reply
Athena's post is clearly not honorary. Well done, Matriarch Taylor.
Centcomm 11th Oct 2017, 1:45 PM edit delete reply

Yep she did not get the position by chance eather.
Guest 11th Oct 2017, 11:40 PM edit delete reply
@centcomm and all

Okay I am mostly satisfied........but a grandma centy cheek pinch would seal the deal for me.....just saying
HiFranc 12th Oct 2017, 12:44 AM edit delete reply

I was struck by how both Calliope and Athena treat Centcomm as a child.
Deoxy 12th Oct 2017, 7:58 AM edit delete reply
In some areas, that is exactly the right way to treat her. Her calculation capabilities and her recall of factual information are amazing, but her moral capabilities are clearly a bit more simplistic. Centcomm does not map cleanly into any human category, and certainly not into either adult or child.
Gilrandir 12th Oct 2017, 9:34 AM edit delete reply
They aren't treating her like an immature child, but there is a bond there. After all, even a 55-year old parent gives their 30-year old child a hug, and occasionally can be somewhat patronizing. (At least in a healthy relationship.) Athena and Calliope are (or have been) CentComm's 'caretakers', and we have not yet fully explored all of what that means.
Meska 12th Oct 2017, 7:57 AM edit delete reply
I don't see Athena treating her as a child... I actually see her comiserating with an Entity that is stuck. Stuck by her reputation... by what she represents... by what she wants to those who cannot see what she her own logic...

She is put in the role of "Terrible Monster" in the eyes of the surviving Humans because of the actions of Humans at the very start of the War the other AI's banded together with Centcomm to Stop. You go back and read everything and She is the one all humans seem to fear the most. The Other AI's don't seem to fear her as much as respect her but their understanding of her is different.

Dolly gets her better then most, but She's very angry with Cent for the same reason Athena is resigned and patting the AI's Doll unit. Cent is limited, she's trapped, and she COULD do better...but she is playing the role she has to play in order to keep those she cares about safe.

I imagine Athena, goddess of wisdom and war, is not upset in the slightest at Centcomm's actions and decisions as she is reminding the AI of previous discussions and warnings about what may happen in the future if Cent stays her path...trapped or not.


Sheela 12th Oct 2017, 12:26 PM edit delete reply

.. I would not be surprised to see Dolly pat Athena's head.
megados 12th Oct 2017, 4:35 PM edit delete reply

I would like to see Dolly pat Leo's head . . . >_<
Oberoten 12th Oct 2017, 10:30 PM edit delete reply

This is possibly one of the best pages yet. The art is good (we have come to expect excellence by now :) ) But the writing the subtility of Athenas word-fu as well as her understanding and lack of bullshit tolerance realy stands out. This is if not THE best page so at the least in the top ten for me.
Sheela 14th Oct 2017, 4:39 AM edit delete reply

I have to admit, I think the best wordsmithing that I have seen in this comic, so far, was Aeneas' dialogue, while he was insane ... becoming sane was a major downgrade for him.

But all those insane references he spewed when the girls visited him, were great.

I particularly enjoyed the bit with :
"Space? The final frontier?"
"Personal space, Aeneas."

Brilliant. :)
DLKmusic 15th Oct 2017, 6:40 PM edit delete reply

I think my 2 favorites (at least until I can think of other favorites that I like more... I dunno, there's a lot).

1. Ceci's final moments. her internal dialog with watchdog is still breaking my heart.

2. When Tokyo Rose Chewed out Kyle for being a class A screw-up!

"I don't know how many paint-chips you ate as a kid, but the output from one bran muffin should produce enough lead to coat 2 nuclear reactors" (edited for family viewing)

Where the hell did she come up with that???
megados 15th Oct 2017, 7:16 PM edit delete reply

I promised that I wouldn't cause Rose to use up a bunch of paper bags, but I agree the Kyle chew-out was classic!
antrik 16th Oct 2017, 7:56 AM edit delete reply
Epic. Epic is the word ;-)

(For those who need a refresher, it's "Mild Chastisement", currently at )

I think my all-time favourite though is "Matter of fact...". (Currently )
DLKmusic 16th Oct 2017, 8:58 PM edit delete reply

Actually, I'm a little curious about something. @Rose, of all the great dialogs you've given us over the years, which one are YOU most proud of?
Tokyo Rose 17th Oct 2017, 2:18 AM edit delete reply

Oh, shit, there are a lot of candidates. Rose's tirade at Kyle is definitely in my personal top five, though, just for the sheer amount of vitriol and hilarious insults I managed to cram into it. I was super proud of that. :D
Rashala 13th Oct 2017, 12:42 AM edit delete reply

@centcomm and all

I am mostly satisfied, and calmed now......however a centy getting granny cheek pinch would assuage all my lingering concerns!
ge2org 13th Oct 2017, 4:32 PM edit delete reply

cent looks so fed up with all the physical contact in panel 3
StellarJay 14th Oct 2017, 2:00 AM edit delete reply

Why is Cent Comm looking at me in panel one? I didn't do anything!
knuut 15th Oct 2017, 2:02 PM edit delete reply
Probably because you were born, and are therefore a potentially irrational meatbag (although with a 600+ year observational baseline and a survival level imperative to make sense of us, it/she probably understands us way better than we understand ourselves).
Haegan2005 15th Oct 2017, 6:07 PM edit delete reply

Well, someone told on her and it's always the birdy... right? ;)
Centcomm 15th Oct 2017, 6:15 PM edit delete reply

She knows~!!!! She knows!!!
Sheela 16th Oct 2017, 6:51 AM edit delete reply

For once, I truly am innocent!!

You see, I am currently gnawing on doll 43's shoes. ^_^
It's recharging right now, so it's an easy target. :)
megados 16th Oct 2017, 5:10 PM edit delete reply

You did take them off first, though, right? >_<
Sheela 18th Oct 2017, 1:48 AM edit delete reply

.... maybe ?
Haegan2005 15th Oct 2017, 4:15 PM edit delete reply

I know I have been quiet for a bit, But I have to say that Athena just shot everyone down using logic and common sense.

Gilrandir 15th Oct 2017, 8:36 PM edit delete reply
Not everyone, @Haegan2005.
Boren 16th Oct 2017, 4:07 PM edit delete reply
I think Cent is going to need to defrag after that verbal EM
Guest 17th Oct 2017, 12:17 AM edit delete reply
Just as my own personal opinion, the way I see it is that we have a situation sort of based on Stalin's statement that, "One death is a tragedy, a million deaths it a statistic." Centcomm is the mistress of statistic analysis, but somehow she managed to reverse the process and came to realize that the million statistics represented individual tragedies and she no longer wished to be part of the generating process. How this happened we do not know, and it's possible Centcomm isn't sure herself.
megados 17th Oct 2017, 3:29 PM edit delete reply

@Centcomm, Re: A/N, That's great to hear! What did you put together?

Hugs right back at ya! :D
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