No he *was* definitely a right-handed wanker. For some stupid reason people like to grab people with their dominant hand and then bludgeon them with the weaker one.
True, true. But I agree with how notStanley chose to interpret it. The little critters are much harder to balance than a baseball bat.
I mean, balancing them, right side up, is harder than balancing Weebles, upside down. Especially since the cute little varmints spend most of their time hanging around upside down.
And, yes, I know the little winged rodents aren't varmints... or rodents, for that matter.
Aww, Centcomm, I hear ya! You sure don't need any extra stuff coming up. You are the best judge of how much you can manage, so give yourself what room you need. I think most would agree, that while we like pages, we like it more when you're OK. *hug*
I'm not sure you can dislocate an elbow in that direction...methinks ligaments and tendons are thoroughly ruptured with some torn muscles at a minimum and the rear extension of the ulna itself is broken if not shattered. It's going to need serious surgery...hopefully without anaesthetic...using a rusty can lid.
Yeah, if you reach for someone's boobs without her approval, a broken arm is only the beginning of what you deserve, asshole.
Count me as glad that "Commander Pauline's" body was strong enough and fast enough and durable enough to actually do what Ophelia asked of it. I actually expected that it wouldn't be.
I would hazard a guess and say that even if her body is slower and weaker, the fact that she did defend herself might have been a surprise. Also, even without the usual enhancement, she still know how to fight...
Rose and Cent : Great comic ! Please keep up the good work.
me three,(also) Morituri.. i expected "minor" repairs,, .. but i do think, she will say " i knew it was slow,, but i did not expect "..." to happen." ..prolly to her self..
I also agree, however the reaction wasn't just for a boob-grab. It is the culmination of Ophelia's fantastic day. First, her squad gets wiped, and she gets toasted. She gets a new body, only to find out it's more or less a sex toy. Then, during a very frustrating comm experience, she finds out it's a very recognizable sex toy. This is just the topper.
That may be true, @megados, as an explanation -- but it is no excuse. If we start allowing our own personal tribulations and frustrations as a justification for violence against others you are opening a door with all sorts of unpleasant ramifications.
Ophelia did what Ophelia did for reasons that seem good enough to Ophelia. The loud and shrill trumpeting of praise from the Comment Section for brutality unleashed far in disproportion to the actual offense just as a catharsis for frustration with all of society's ills is a different thing indeed. Since Cassians are, essentially, cops, this throws certain real-world issues into even sharper relief. #meatlivesmatter
"That may be true . . . as an explanation -- but it is no excuse."
Yes, and I offered it as an explanation rather than an excuse. Sorry if it was not readily seen as such.
My impression is that not all Cassians are created equal. Each has their own personality, and idiosyncrasies. My take on it is that this scene's purpose is to do some character building, and let us get to know Ophelia. We have learned here, that she can get pissed off. :D
You are correct, it is a bit much. That said, I hope Jinfeng learns from this painful lesson. He ignored at least three attempts to warn him off from his verbal idiocy, and then put his hands on property that wasn't his (setting aside, for the moment, the fact that what he was laying hands on was a sentient being). This guy needs to learn boundaries, especially living in the lawless wastes; grabbing someone else's property (specifically against their stated wishes, notably) is a good way to provoke a fight, and grabbing someone is a good way to contract an acute case of dead. The refined etiquette of high society might be a little lacking, but the caution of survival dictates at least some courtesy. This is why courtesy exists in the first place: there's always a bigger gun, you don't always know who has it, and you don't want to piss him off accidentally.
This seems disproportionate to you? Huh. I don't know why. Last night I watched some jerk get his face smashed on the floor by a second-dan black belt after, despite about the same number of warnings Jinfeng here had, he tried something a bit milder than a boob grab on her.
I picked the guy up by the scruff and hauled him out of there, and nobody had a thing to say about her "overreacting." If anything, they wanted to buy her a beer for helping rid the place of a jerk. But she doesn't drink.
I thoroughly approve of this action. Asses need to be dealt with instantly and need to be dealt with harshly enough that they learn, even when somewhat learning-resistant.
How many broken limbs did your black belt inflict, @Morituri? Or knocked out teeth, shattered jawbone, cracked orbital bone, etc.? Anything other than soft tissue bruising?
@Morituri: Ophelia had already delivered a kidney punch, and had him on the ground in a subdual hold before she broke his arm. I tend to agree with the Ebonbolt, Gilrandir, Megados and Sheela that the broken arm was over the top, as he had already been thoroughly subdued before his arm was broken.
The example you sited was a broken nose in the course of Subduing her offender. If once she had him on the ground and helpless, she kicked him in the kneecap for good measure, that would have been over the top too.
I would also like to add that I still REALLY like Ophelia. Everyone has a bad day, and everyone goes over the top sometimes, ESPECIALLY when they've been struggling so hard to keep a lid on it, and the universe is determined to pull that lid off!
similar not same.. we were at club,, asshat pushed me out the way, grabbed partners boobs,, an said "come dance with me." she grabbed both hands, an squeezed.. she ended up breaking right hand, squeezing so hard... no charges pressed...
On a sidenote, being a Cassian, she may even get away with it, short of a snarky comment from another Cassian, in the style of "Dammit, *I* wanted to deck that asshole first!"
That, and the run up to this point, brings up an interesting point. Right now, only Ophelia, Ivy, and Jordan know she's a Cassian. Anyone else might think she's a rogue android. Her day could become even more fantastic!
@Robnot: As a musician, I'm absolutely cringing at the thought of that, and the years it would take to re-learn all the muscle memory I currently have in my hands after they healed from an injury like that :-(
Of course, I would never reach for a woman's breast unless invited to either, so...
"Yeah, if you reach for someone's boobs without her approval, a broken arm is only the beginning of what you deserve, asshole."
No, really, a good kick in the nuts is really pretty reasonable (and directly relevant). Breaking limbs over it (for a first offense), especially JOINTS, is really quite over the top.
As for proportionality, remember that medical tech here is WAY more advanced. Yeah, he's getting more pain & suffering than the above-mentioned scenarios, but he WILL be 100% fixed up, and quickly.
So, yeah, she's doing more than was done to her, but it feels like it's still "in range".
Yeah. Remember what I said about Jujitsu? She tightened his tendons _just_ right for that strike. And yeah, that looks like one of those just-plain-not-fun 4th-dan locations that I'm really glad I never experienced, only she's not just trying to convince him to back off.
We avoid injury like a crime in the art I studied. I mentioned the point, because the sound effects strongly suggested that she did nothing to avoid injury with that strike.
Nice addition of the kidney shot on the 'go-under' and a good variation on the sort of, almost, good enough for government work, slightly modified 'standing aikido', one of my favourites...there are so many times you want to add just that little extra for the genetic malfunction that really deserves it, but you just have to discipline yourself not to...looks like Feelie's discipline is still good, she's only broken one elbow...so far ;)
Opaulinia: X-| Oh, yes, I see - it doesn't have its elbow joint going the same way as the other one any more, does it? Let me fix that. *grabs other arm* *KA-DISLOCATE* There - now they match again!
Jinfeng: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA (etc.)
Opaulinia: *sigh* *headshake* There's no pleasing some people.
Jordan: Not that I'd want to in his case.
Ivy: Are you just going to leave him there like that? *whips out spray can, sprays "FREE PRETTYBOY, PLEASE TAKE" on Jinfeng's back* :-)
He got grabby offly quick I think it's time for Jordan and Ivy to introduce Ophelia so that her actions don't come back to bite them later. Something as simple as:
This is Ophelia. I'm sure she'll be happy to come talk to you once her combat body is ready.
noooo Feelie will introduce herself ...
her next line, will prolly be : I'M Ophelia.! New Rome Cassian.! (then realize she is Not in Cassian body.. ""then make something up,, like, "im doing a favor for my friends".."")..
then... Once im back in my "Cassian Body" we can be properly intoduced.!!!
Jinkies, I bet that smarts. Actually, Mr. Grabby got off lightly. She could have turned his kidneys to jelly or sent his trachea through his spine. She taught him a lesson instead. The MedBot's will have fun with him, for sure.
maybe it's just an android thing. Although the commander p model was supposedly not strong. But there are a number of things wrong with the human biomechanics there. We don't see the takedown, but from that hammer fist I was expecting a hip throw, in which case you usually stay standing and keep the arm in an armbar with the legs.
That aside assuming that she did somehow end up jamming her left shin into his shoulder, that's not a very stable way to pin someone, so I'm inferring Jinfeng knows nothing here (normally you'd roll onto your back and it feels like you could twist out of the armbar at the same time, although she'd still have your arm).
I don't see how she could reach his elbow with her right hand without squaring her shoulders. She should probably use a palm rather than knuckles unless they're somehow reinforced. AND her thigh would make a much better armbar, just pull that arm back towards herself over her thigh. Doing something like that she should be able to involve her other arm too for extra strength.
Finally she let go which she would do *after* the break, otherwise she'd just be pushing the arm to the ground (i.e. nothing keeping the hand in place), so the crunch and wham sound effect happened between panel 4 and 5.
assuming, of course, that the android versions of joints, muscles and tendons can move in only the same way and can only adopt the same positions as human limbs.
I think she might well have a little more leeway in limb positioning than the average human...especially given the purpose that body was designed for ;)
Seems to me like Ophelia has no problem at all adjusting to her temp body. She actually looks quite cute like that and she still kicks ass, what more do you want? :)
Oh yeah, here, have an aspirin and you better talk to your doctor about that elbow. Who, me? I just stabilize them enough to move them :-P
Hey cent how you doing? Long tome reader ( and now first time rereader and poster). I was rereading datachasers and was wondering wasnt there a chapter around lynns medical checkup and a body scanner of some sort malfunctioned? I couldnt seem to find it
Ah I see, i actually forgot about it completely until one of the later chapters ( don't remember which) lynn mentioned them trying to harvest her eggs. too bad so sad. thanks for the quick reply
Ceci's augmentations were all installed as her body was made. I can only guess, but the Commander Pauline body would likely need to be disassembled and stripped, and refitted, and probably not while Ophelia was occupying it.
Besides, she has a backup body waiting for her, and I'd bet about now, she can't wait to get to it :D
Ever balance a bat in the palm of your hand? Slow reactions do not help.
I mean, balancing them, right side up, is harder than balancing Weebles, upside down. Especially since the cute little varmints spend most of their time hanging around upside down.
And, yes, I know the little winged rodents aren't varmints... or rodents, for that matter.
and so on.
Ah well, he had it coming.
Nice to see you back in action, Cent and Rose!
Count me as glad that "Commander Pauline's" body was strong enough and fast enough and durable enough to actually do what Ophelia asked of it. I actually expected that it wouldn't be.
Rose and Cent : Great comic ! Please keep up the good work.
Ophelia did what Ophelia did for reasons that seem good enough to Ophelia. The loud and shrill trumpeting of praise from the Comment Section for brutality unleashed far in disproportion to the actual offense just as a catharsis for frustration with all of society's ills is a different thing indeed. Since Cassians are, essentially, cops, this throws certain real-world issues into even sharper relief. #meatlivesmatter
Yes, and I offered it as an explanation rather than an excuse. Sorry if it was not readily seen as such.
My impression is that not all Cassians are created equal. Each has their own personality, and idiosyncrasies. My take on it is that this scene's purpose is to do some character building, and let us get to know Ophelia. We have learned here, that she can get pissed off. :D
I picked the guy up by the scruff and hauled him out of there, and nobody had a thing to say about her "overreacting." If anything, they wanted to buy her a beer for helping rid the place of a jerk. But she doesn't drink.
I thoroughly approve of this action. Asses need to be dealt with instantly and need to be dealt with harshly enough that they learn, even when somewhat learning-resistant.
The example you sited was a broken nose in the course of Subduing her offender. If once she had him on the ground and helpless, she kicked him in the kneecap for good measure, that would have been over the top too.
I would also like to add that I still REALLY like Ophelia. Everyone has a bad day, and everyone goes over the top sometimes, ESPECIALLY when they've been struggling so hard to keep a lid on it, and the universe is determined to pull that lid off!
it's only "human"!
Of course, I would never reach for a woman's breast unless invited to either, so...
No, really, a good kick in the nuts is really pretty reasonable (and directly relevant). Breaking limbs over it (for a first offense), especially JOINTS, is really quite over the top.
So, yeah, she's doing more than was done to her, but it feels like it's still "in range".
::Sunglasses on::
Touchie-'Feelie
For those who have the faintest idea who Eve Arden was, i heard that in her voice.
If you don't know her, Alex Kingston would be close, too.
No Idea who you're talking about, but yeah, that would be a great voiceover there!
Now, he just need a well equipped hospital, and the money to pay for the treatment. :)
She should do it to the other arm - that way he needs someone to hold his dick when he has to piss, and wipe his ass after he shits...
...And that "sonmeone's" name is Big Bruno... lol
Sure he's an ass, but it's not like he tried to kill her or anything.
Jinfeng: MY ARM!!!
Opaulinia: What about your arm? :-|
Jinfeng: MY ARM, YOU FUCKING ROBOBITCH!!!
Opaulinia: X-| Oh, yes, I see - it doesn't have its elbow joint going the same way as the other one any more, does it? Let me fix that. *grabs other arm* *KA-DISLOCATE* There - now they match again!
Jinfeng: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA (etc.)
Opaulinia: *sigh* *headshake* There's no pleasing some people.
Jordan: Not that I'd want to in his case.
Ivy: Are you just going to leave him there like that? *whips out spray can, sprays "FREE PRETTYBOY, PLEASE TAKE" on Jinfeng's back* :-)
Opaulinia and company: *exeunt, laughing*
>:=)>
This is Ophelia. I'm sure she'll be happy to come talk to you once her combat body is ready.
her next line, will prolly be : I'M Ophelia.! New Rome Cassian.! (then realize she is Not in Cassian body.. ""then make something up,, like, "im doing a favor for my friends".."")..
then... Once im back in my "Cassian Body" we can be properly intoduced.!!!
But then, Feelie has had a REALLY BAD DAY !!
Of course, he didn't know that.
That aside assuming that she did somehow end up jamming her left shin into his shoulder, that's not a very stable way to pin someone, so I'm inferring Jinfeng knows nothing here (normally you'd roll onto your back and it feels like you could twist out of the armbar at the same time, although she'd still have your arm).
I don't see how she could reach his elbow with her right hand without squaring her shoulders. She should probably use a palm rather than knuckles unless they're somehow reinforced. AND her thigh would make a much better armbar, just pull that arm back towards herself over her thigh. Doing something like that she should be able to involve her other arm too for extra strength.
Finally she let go which she would do *after* the break, otherwise she'd just be pushing the arm to the ground (i.e. nothing keeping the hand in place), so the crunch and wham sound effect happened between panel 4 and 5.
I think she might well have a little more leeway in limb positioning than the average human...especially given the purpose that body was designed for ;)
Oh yeah, here, have an aspirin and you better talk to your doctor about that elbow. Who, me? I just stabilize them enough to move them :-P
Ophelia actually went pretty easy on the guy.
*looks around nervously for Rose*
Don't … don't mention the eggs !! o.O
Commander Pauline could possibly be brought up to cassian spec
Besides, she has a backup body waiting for her, and I'd bet about now, she can't wait to get to it :D