Comic 1615 - C&O Waterworks

2nd Jul 2019, 9:00 PM
C&O Waterworks
Average Rating: 5 (16 votes)
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megados 3rd Jul 2019, 7:51 PM edit delete reply

NCC-1701 . . . E? . . . F? . . . Z? XD . . . So this is the ship that Feelie's Commander Pauline body is associated with.

Water deliveries is/are an interesting premise. Is that Logrin he's talking about? It'd be nice to see how Dusty and Katya are doing.

This is rendered with Iray? Neat. I like how the glow from her control pad reflects on her arm and body. I don't know a lot about it, but I like what I see! :D
Centcomm 3rd Jul 2019, 7:52 PM edit delete reply

Yeah this is all IRAY im gonna be listening closely to see how you guys like it.. :D
megados 3rd Jul 2019, 8:11 PM edit delete reply

Well, to me, it looks like you have more choices in light sourcing, and where it goes. I like how you have used some of that to show reflected light from the visible sources from elements like the control pad, the ship and stuff like that. That's some of what I notice, if it helps any. :D

(That's how it seems to me, but I don't know a lot)

*edit: Today's update doesn't show up in the subscribed comics for some reason. (If that's something you'd like to know)
Centcomm 3rd Jul 2019, 9:27 PM edit delete reply

grrrr, i hate it when it does that.
Oldarmourer 4th Jul 2019, 2:57 AM edit delete reply
Too early to tell, it looks good but everything you do looks good.

I have absolutely no ability or knowledge of 3D art creation, but I've been using the same eyeballs to look at things for a long time and I see a little more diffusion in the light and almost a faint graininess to the air that happens with shadows around sunset so you nailed that.

All in all, the figures look to me to be more poseable and less angular at the joints, don't know if that's really there or not or how to accurately describe it, it just seems to be that way to me.

Excellent art and script as usual, pity these new characters aren't going to enjoy the new day when it comes :( but plot requires evilness and we have two of the evilest creatrixes around so there's that.
Blaze 4th Jul 2019, 12:22 AM edit delete reply
It's an alternate future version of the Enterprise-D seen in the TNG series' end. There's far more nerd info to be had about it but that's specifically what it is.
Oldarmourer 4th Jul 2019, 2:51 AM edit delete reply
Yes, the 'dreadnought' version Riker was commanding in the finale..extra warp nacelle and a GBFO phaser cannon along the bottom of the saucer..Riker would get along well with Commander Pauline too ;)
megados 4th Jul 2019, 5:02 AM edit delete reply

Yeah, I was making a (I guess not too) funny, about what the future designation might be.
Centcomm 4th Jul 2019, 8:35 AM edit delete reply

Commander Dirk Daring actually looks like Riker..
Oldarmourer 4th Jul 2019, 9:09 AM edit delete reply
pre-beard Riker or bearded Riker ? ;)
jas 5th Jul 2019, 6:57 AM edit delete reply

Exxxxxxxactly! I was gonna say that! :)
Oldarmourer 4th Jul 2019, 8:06 AM edit delete reply
Can't remember if that particular ship was the actual 'Enterprise" or not in that episode, I think Riker called it by name but that was a long time ago.

The Enterprise was a 'Galaxy Class' ship and we did see several others from that Class in the series, some we saw destroyed and some weren't, a few even showed up in the defence of DS9 and Borg attacks both on TV and in the movies, so this one may well be a completely different ship from the same Class with similar upgrades...Or it's the one from the Enterprise-C universe where it's a pure Battlecruiser and not an exploration ship...we don't know if DC is set in 'our' universe or a parallel one, which makes plot holes less...holey ;)
Centcomm 4th Jul 2019, 8:33 AM edit delete reply

DC is in a slightly Parallel after all they pulled the trigger on global fuckery, Also they had smarter machines :D
robnot 4th Jul 2019, 1:44 PM edit delete reply
yes it was the "Enterprise-D" .. in the Anti-timeline, it was 25 years later an " Admiral Riker. " saved it from decommission , an made it his personal Flagship.. ' with all the mods.. '
SeanR 3rd Jul 2019, 8:25 PM edit delete reply
It looks good and I think it was worth the wait.
mjkj 4th Jul 2019, 2:10 AM edit delete reply

Oh, it is Cyana, not lil'Lynn...

Gravs not working sounds like interference foreshadowing... :o :o

So that looks like NCC 71854
Centcomm 4th Jul 2019, 8:32 AM edit delete reply

or user error :D
Oldarmourer 4th Jul 2019, 11:29 AM edit delete reply
Lighting on the 'ship' looks really nice, must have been a pain doing the individual ones around the edge of the saucer section.
mjkj 5th Jul 2019, 12:58 AM edit delete reply

@Cent: Yes, or user error

...but seeing as her dad is about to leave on an irregular night run - that is almost too much coincidence... =P
DizzasterJuice 4th Jul 2019, 2:20 AM edit delete reply

Ohh... a story from the wastes. My fave stuff.
Centcomm 4th Jul 2019, 8:32 AM edit delete reply

Sheela 4th Jul 2019, 2:17 PM edit delete reply

It's odd, but often the pure and clean sci fi setting are less interesting, than the "wastes" style of sci fi … it's more relatable I guess ?

I like this setting, it's almost early star wars like .. moisture farmers and all. 😁
Oldarmourer 4th Jul 2019, 4:27 PM edit delete reply
well they ARE selling moisture...must have had a good crop this year
megados 5th Jul 2019, 5:37 AM edit delete reply

@Sheela, it might be that 'Tales From the Wastes' are less restrictive, story-wise. It could be anything; more possibilities.
SeanR 5th Jul 2019, 7:46 AM edit delete reply
Any story needs dramatic tension. A story of "pure and clean" sci-fi gives up or significantly downplays some of the most obvious of those sources of tension because the world is "perfect".
"Used Future" stories retain those things we know of that are worth worrying over, even if we've never had to live through them ourselves, like food insecurity, bandits and raiders, or critical equipment failure, (although Star Trek played with that one a lot).

At least, that's my take.
Quieteyes 4th Jul 2019, 3:04 AM edit delete reply
Since this design of the Enterprise-D only existed in one episode (the last one), I find it interesting that it survived all the years and wars and such. Not only that, but it's popular enough for a child to want this toy (personally, I'd want the Enterprise-E or straight up Enterprise, but that's just me).

Then again, New Roma's A.I. (sorry, can't remember the name) knew a lot of past pop culture. It makes sense that the A.I.s had all the episodes, movies, etc stored in their memory.
megados 4th Jul 2019, 5:04 AM edit delete reply

Roma's AIS' name is Aeneas.
Oldarmourer 4th Jul 2019, 6:00 AM edit delete reply
That particular model comes from a Luna Broadcasting System series that was popular in the late 3870's, sort of a cross between Star Trek, Firefly and Star Wars and a spinoff of 'lost in translation', the cast found this ancient ship in a junkyard, fixed it up and now travel around having hilarious and sexy adventures trying to make a living trafficking in legitimate cargo, smuggled items and themselves, and you don't really want to know what Commander Pauline has for a lightsabre...
Oldarmourer 4th Jul 2019, 6:25 AM edit delete reply
Should have done the archive dive before I posted...but where's the fun in that :)

Looks like 'Galactic Frontiers' is a current and popular show, now why this young girl would be so familiar with an apparently 'adult' program to want the toys is...nevermind, there were more than a few 'adult' moments in Star Trek (all series) and Firefly and we can't expect to place 21st century mores on 39th century people...carry on, this looks like fun...maybe work a few clips from 'Galactic Frontiers' in alongside the 'Lost in Translation' ones ? Those do add a little realism to the characters and make for good running gags to boot.
Centcomm 4th Jul 2019, 8:32 AM edit delete reply

The show is PG enough for kids. All the sex stuff is high brow humor or Benny hill type, also the 30th century is a lot more loose about sex and that sort of thing, this girl knows where Babies come from and all the various ways to say.. No. :D Commander Pauline comes in two flavors, the regular show that's fit for all ages and a more ..Adult show that's aimed at bedroom adventures.
Oldarmourer 4th Jul 2019, 9:11 AM edit delete reply
broadcast and HBO ? or more likely pay-per-view ;)
Sheela 4th Jul 2019, 2:19 PM edit delete reply

Let me guess, the adult variant is on the web only, and requires that the user has an age verificator of some sort ?
Oldarmourer 4th Jul 2019, 2:29 PM edit delete reply
Sure, only the toughest security in the 39th century, you not only have to click the 'yes' button when it asks you "are you over 18", you have to click it again when it says "are you sure" New Troy or Nova Roma citizen would dare flout the law by lying ;)
Sheela 4th Jul 2019, 2:34 PM edit delete reply

After we saw how serious the security on Acantha's new comm unit was, I'm fairly sure they can make a better variant of age verification. 🀣
Oldarmourer 4th Jul 2019, 4:29 PM edit delete reply
that's for turning on the phone and texts and stuff, the security for logging into tri-D shows pushing ads is another thing altogether ;)
Oldarmourer 5th Jul 2019, 3:07 AM edit delete reply
Is it so wrong that in the first panel when the girl is playing the characters and in response to "run a scan" she says "oh, I forgot the lights, that's this button..." that I assumed she was still in character as Commander Pauline even down to the 'giggle' in the second panel ?

We definitely need to see some clips from this show, it might even get better ratings than "Lost in Translation" :)
Oldarmourer 5th Jul 2019, 1:27 PM edit delete reply

and of course it's on at suppertime...

Morituri 5th Jul 2019, 12:57 PM edit delete reply
It is important that a youngster should learn how to say no. But equally important, I think, that she should learn why to say no, and be able to decide whether to say no.

Some of the best examples I can point at for "how to say no" never adequately address "why to say no," and it's a very serious omission.
Sheela 5th Jul 2019, 1:30 PM edit delete reply

Baked potatoes, wrapped in aluminum foil ?
Oldarmourer 5th Jul 2019, 1:31 PM edit delete reply
is there any other way ? ;)
sigpig 10th Jul 2019, 10:55 AM edit delete reply

I thought Commander Pauline had a glowing Sonic SCREW-driver...
tooniator 4th Jul 2019, 9:44 AM edit delete reply
"Drinking Water?" Usually we see "Potable Water," as if anyone most people know what that is.
Johninaustin 4th Jul 2019, 10:58 AM edit delete reply
Oh, I'd love to live in a time where anti-grav is cheap and commonplace enough to use for kid's toys. I'd NEVER get any work done. :)
Sheela 4th Jul 2019, 2:35 PM edit delete reply

Are you kidding me ?
I would try to get work done using the anti-grav toy ! 😁
mjkj 5th Jul 2019, 1:04 AM edit delete reply

@Sheela: +1
megados 5th Jul 2019, 5:33 AM edit delete reply

@ Sheela, Spot on!
Haegan2005 6th Jul 2019, 7:22 AM edit delete reply

Anti-grav and Sheela? The Cat would never get away!

Of course, what you would do with the walking blender when you caught it would be its own story...
Sheela 6th Jul 2019, 4:43 PM edit delete reply

I would turn it upside down, and empty the contents into the freshly dug hole in the backyard (none of my doing, I assure you). It's contents is an affront to nature, and must be covered up ASAP!!

The Blender itself goes into another hole. 😁
velvetsanity 5th Jul 2019, 4:30 AM edit delete reply

Very nice. And we need to get you an RTX card, it’ll probably speed up Iray rendering dramatically.
Oldarmourer 5th Jul 2019, 6:11 AM edit delete reply
Or we could have Sheela trot into ILM's server farm and walk out with one of their rendering systems, nobody suspects cute little doggies...they might even have some shoes in their cloakroom :)
megados 5th Jul 2019, 6:45 AM edit delete reply

It's somewhat important to note, that things Sheela walks out with, usually end up getting buried in the back yard. I'm still looking for my shoe.
Oldarmourer 5th Jul 2019, 7:18 AM edit delete reply
that's what the shoes are for...she can carry them in her mouth and the rendering system on the anti-gravs..we'll grab the computer while she's burying the shoes :)
megados 5th Jul 2019, 10:47 AM edit delete reply

Or . . . she can carry them in her mouth and the rendering system on the anti-gravs, dig a bigger hole, and toss it all in. >_<
Oldarmourer 5th Jul 2019, 10:54 AM edit delete reply
I never said it was a GOOD plan...
Sheela 5th Jul 2019, 1:26 PM edit delete reply

Sounds like I need an anti-grav toy to carry the rendering system. 🀣
Oldarmourer 5th Jul 2019, 5:56 PM edit delete reply

Of course this talk of tri-vid shows, got me thinking about how to work a bad joke from TV series in our time in...sorry, it's a weakness ;)

For some reason this one popped into my head and I hadn't thought about it in years, it deserved a better budget and run than it got, but then again so did Firefly and while they're not exactly comparable, I liked it :)

Slingship go for launch
DLKmusic 5th Jul 2019, 10:13 PM edit delete reply

oddly enough, I thought that show was a disappointment... I am a huge Linda Hunt fan, and most things she had done up to that show were edgy and innovative, but I thought this was both too campy and too formula when it came out.

I watched 2 episodes then gave up on it.
Oldarmourer 6th Jul 2019, 4:06 AM edit delete reply
I think with a better budget and writers it might have been a lot more, the characters were sort of unique but the special effects didn't do them justice. Still, given the time, they were better than the original Star Trek or Dr Who but when some of the characters are dependent on them it suffers a bit. All that said, I think it had a lot of potential and in different hands could have done much better..that and I liked the ship design :)
Oldarmourer 6th Jul 2019, 7:23 AM edit delete reply
I mean that the special effects were a little better than the older series although even for the time they were still done on a shoestring budget
DLKmusic 6th Jul 2019, 8:04 AM edit delete reply

The special effects I can forgive, and some of the best scifi drama is/can be done with very little! (good example from the early star trek series would be "Trouble with Tribbles") but the writing is a different story... and unfortunately, when you have a talent like Linda Hunt at your disposal, letting it go to waste because that means less time for action scenes is a crime.
Oldarmourer 6th Jul 2019, 8:43 AM edit delete reply
Agreed, it often seems that sci-fi producers in general don't seem to have read much sci-fi, and in this case I see a show that could have been so much more than it was, the sad part is that it wasn't.

I liked the premise, I liked the mechanics, I liked the characters, some of their unique traits and their potential for growth since we only scratched the surface of the various races and cultures, but formulaic writing and wasted talent does get in the way of a good setting. Star Trek TNG's first season was little more than rehashed TOS scripts so writing can evolve, if it's given the chance and Riker didn't really come into his own until he grew a beard ;)
Blue_Elite 6th Jul 2019, 8:44 AM edit delete reply
Imo, firefly was incredible. Nothing like it at the time. And loved Nathan's dry humor.
DLKmusic 6th Jul 2019, 9:02 AM edit delete reply

Firefly was great! my disappointment was in a show called "Space Rangers".

Firefly on the other hand had all kinds of layers in the script writing, and whether they were raiding a med facility or herding cattle, there was a continuity there that was, for lack of a better word, "Real".

When I referred to Wasting a talent like Linda Hunt, a firefly equivalent would be if Ron Glass (he played Shepard Book) stood by and said "ok" once in a while. His insights were one of the things that made the show special, and the show would have lost a LOT if they had been edited out to make room for more laser fights... :-(

"Space Rangers" was a pre-Xena sci-fi series, Linda Hunt played the station manager and general CO of the crew. I'm repeating the link to it that Oldarmourer gave, so my negative comments will probably make a little more sense
Space Rangers
Oldarmourer 6th Jul 2019, 9:10 AM edit delete reply

I agree with you in a lot of ways but something about it still makes it watchable for me, it wasn't as bad as it was underdeveloped, lord knows it wasn't half as good as it should have been but it did have a few redeeming qualities.

There were other shows too, everything from Fireball XL5 to Space1999 to Earth 2 (both of them) and one of my favourites that got the shaft at the end, Space:Above and Beyond, the networks seem to be more interested in the short profit rather than the long game, which is a pity, can't think of too many with the 12+ year run DC has had though, and with a prequel to boot !

Firefly can't even be mentioned in the same breath as most sci-fi shows, it's the gold standard and it was like the network deliberately tried everything they could to alienate it's audience, airing out of sequence, changing time slots, not advertising or promoting it, I seriously think the executives in charge of sci-fi shows got their jobs based on who they knew rather than what they knew...
DLKmusic 6th Jul 2019, 9:53 AM edit delete reply

I'll do a You-tube binge on it this week. Can't promise I'll change my opinion, but you've convinced me to give it a second chance!

And I agree about firefly. Although my guess is the the network was hoping they'd get another "Buffy" because it was the same writer, and got pissed because they got something far more cerebral and far less teen-appeal. There are a couple of shows I put in the same league as firefly, but they are pretty few and far between, and very rarely got the respect they deserved. Heroes might be a good example, but due to circumstances, I never saw the second season of Heroes, so Jury is still out.

The right promotion would have brought a larger crowd, but a different demographic than what they were trying to target.

They should have listened to Mick Jagger on that one! "you can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you get what you need".
Oldarmourer 6th Jul 2019, 10:54 AM edit delete reply
Yuppers...and I find it's always better to try to encourage someone to find a little bit of good in something they think is bad, rather than try to point out the bad in something someone thinks is good...except cnn fuck cnn ;)
Oldarmourer 6th Jul 2019, 12:46 PM edit delete reply
Just realized that first bit could be taken as snark, it wasn't intended to be, fuck msnbc too
Lurker314 9th Jul 2019, 1:13 AM edit delete reply
I'm pretty sure I just figured out the inspiration for Calhoun from WreckIt Ralph!

Rashala 8th Jul 2019, 12:05 AM edit delete reply

Am i the only one getting a very bad feeling about this families immediate future?
Oldarmourer 8th Jul 2019, 5:28 AM edit delete reply
Oh, they're toast, or at least one is, foregone conclusion really...remember who's writing their lives ;)
Oldarmourer 8th Jul 2019, 3:42 PM edit delete reply

I can't be the only one that wants to see 'Galactic Frontiers' made into an actual TV show now.

But then...I've wanted to see this one made for years too ;)

Holodeck Daft
Lurker314 9th Jul 2019, 2:46 AM edit delete reply
All this talk got me to watching an episode of Space 1999. That series started when I was 8, and I remember knowing it was ridiculous that a nuclear waste dump could explode the moon out of Earth orbit, let alone solar. Now, this show is just painful.
Oldarmourer 9th Jul 2019, 5:07 AM edit delete reply
Might have figured out why the votes seem a little wonky at TWC, there's a 'vote incentive exchange' going on where comics draw each other's vote incentives and it looks like they've put a lot of effort into them, and of course to see them you have to vote so comics are getting an increased amount of traffic from the readers of one going to another they might not normally, much like the valentine's day exchange...maybe DC should get into the act ? might get a few new addicts that way ;)
Johninaustin 9th Jul 2019, 8:58 AM edit delete reply
Lurker314, I have the theme song as a ringtone. :)
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