Comic 1637 - Sparks in the Dark

10th Dec 2019, 9:00 PM
Sparks in the Dark
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megados 10th Dec 2019, 9:45 PM edit delete reply

Very good to hear Cyana's gonna be OK!

Well, getting the word out to as many places as they can is about all they can do right now, until they get some feedback. They do have some empirical data from their brief encounter to begin to make a plan, but it will be largely incomplete until they get some answers, it would seem.

If Logrin's coming out of retirement, maybe Skyla won't be so 'boss widowed' after all. Happy heart all the way!
Sheela 11th Dec 2019, 2:57 PM edit delete reply

He's not just a commander .. he's a Supreme Commander !!!

*runs off to play Supreme Commander*
Lurker314 10th Dec 2019, 10:10 PM edit delete reply
What EXACTLY is meant by the jewellery around her neck? This is a culture that is well-aware of slaves.... ????
Just_IDD 10th Dec 2019, 10:49 PM edit delete reply
The weird of her keeping it is based around the fact that is the only thing that is truly hers. That was the reason given for her keeping it it's no longer a symbol of her oppression but is now metamorphosed into a symbol of her survival which is probably why it's gold plated instead of an iron ring.
Just_IDD 10th Dec 2019, 10:53 PM edit delete reply
Also and this is an important note, it is not within mine or anyone else's purview to tell her what it should mean to her. That is completely her decision and no one has any right questioning it. If it were something forced on her then it would be different but this is her choice.
oldastronomer 11th Dec 2019, 6:41 AM edit delete reply
See comic 447 for Dusty's answer to this question.
Lurker314 11th Dec 2019, 11:03 PM edit delete reply
Yeah, I had that tickle at the back of my head, but gold? ... Yeah, I'm still "funny" about it. Just sayin'.
Centcomm 12th Dec 2019, 11:59 AM edit delete reply

So was Dolly..
Just_IDD 10th Dec 2019, 11:07 PM edit delete reply
i forgot to ask this last page,

Weapons seem to be explicitly energy or a combination of energy driven or enhanced projectile.

Dolly had a L-shard pistol which after much thinking is some sort of airfoil based projectile which uses its shape for both longer range stability and maintaining its velocity as well as making inconvenient shaped holes, it would and probably does have quite a kick. Because it would be carried by more people otherwise and you would end up spending so much of the energy it contains mitigating the Kick that the gun would have to be bulked up considerably to be useful.

How does something like Logrin's gun compare? It almost sounds like a similar technology but in snubed rifle form so it can deliver more power and a heavier projectile/slug.
Oldarmourer 11th Dec 2019, 11:07 AM edit delete reply

Speaking in generalities...and according to the laws of physics as we know them today...

The terminal effect of a projectile can depend as much on it's shape and composition as it does on speed and mass.

Going strictly by force=MxV, increased velocity allows for lighter projectiles while increased mass normally generates greater recoil for the same speed...personally I like a .45, it's big old and slow just like me and one round is pretty much the same as a 'double tap' from most 9mm.

I also prefer a 12ga slug over a 5.56 for the same reasons, things that need to be shot should be shot once and not stick around to debate the matter afterwards.

Where lighter weight and higher velocity can make a huge improvement in effect on target is something along the lines of a Glaser 'safety shell' or a 'cut-shell' shotgun round...fragmenting after impact and spreading that terminal energy around inside the target while stopping any of it from leaving and thereby becoming wasted, is a pretty good thing and likely what Dolly's 'L-shard' achieves by fragmenting after penetration. The tradeoff for that is you would need a very precise composition to allow for penetration of armour, something which the 39th century most likely has solved through material design advances.

This effect also gives the tradeoff between velocity and mass a nudge toward the velocity side of the equation.

Recoil is an interesting thing to consider, today we have muzzle brakes and recoil buffers to help and in the future, various types of actions, muzzle brakes, propellants and even using 'rail' technology instead of combustion gases could make for a radical difference in perceived recoil but again, this is the 39th century, not 'today' and if stasis fields and anti-grav generators small and cheap enough to use in kid's toys are readily available then something might well be standard in a sidearm to counter apparent recoil. In that case there might not be an opposite reaction or at least not an equal one and large hypersonic projectiles might be the norm...

Even as recently as 30 years ago, I was getting 4500+ fps from an 'Accelerator' in .30-06 (as measured on my chronograph, factory spec says 4400) which is a subcalibre 5.56 projectile in a discarding sabot, a lot lighter than a regular .30 calibre bullet but with the same powder load..worked good on prairie dogs :)

There are a lot of ways to use the old Force=MxV formula and they don't all generate the same recoil...a lighter projectile going faster generally has less felt recoil than a heavier one going slower, even if the math says they should have the same, there are just so many other factors in play.
Marcus Ramesy 11th Dec 2019, 11:41 AM edit delete reply

conversations like this can always be fun because ultimately at the end of the day there realy is no "Right" answer. It will always boil down to what a person values and what they can accurately and reliably fire.... for Example, I would not ever recomend a hand cannon such as the .50AE, though you only need one shot to take down your target, unless you are cyberneticly enhanced, the time for target re acquisition is is too long because of the recoil. (also its a terrible weapon but that another story)

The real world person behind this character prefers 9mm to .45 for this specific reason. though .45 does have "stoping" power it is useless to me if I cant accurately hit the target or re acquire the target because of weight, recoil, and physical limitations.. where as the 9mm has less of a recoil to it and with few exceptions is more than adeqate to take down most any target, and still if needed rapidly re aquire the target and fire again if needed... (this is part of the reason the FBI switch back to the 9mm as their standard service firearm vrs the .45) for me, and this is my personal preference Judicious marksmanship is preferred, but if you find your self in a situation where you need more than one shot, Ill take something I can fire rapidly and accurately (note: I do know that there are people out there that can fire a .45 the same as you can and would fire a 9mm I sadly am not one of them.)
megados 11th Dec 2019, 12:34 PM edit delete reply

Everyone has their own choices for different uses, of course. I just want to point out that Force=MxV really only tells you about the final impact. The acceleration curve, Force (N) = mass x acceleration (D/T/T) and (mass of the projectile/mass of the weapon) ratio are what really informs a person about recoil. Slower acceleration and lower projectile/weapon ratios will both lower recoil. That's why, for instance Marcus' 9mm (0.354) has less recoil than a .45, and why Force=MxV doesn't tell the whole story. Take the percent difference in weight of the weapons and make a ratio to the percent difference in projectile weights, along with the acceleration of each, to get a rough idea of the difference in recoil. There's more to it than just final velocity to mass ratios, of course, if you want more accurate predictions.

I agree with Marcus. In the end, the 9mm is easier to get a good grouping with, under more rapid fire conditions. If you practice every day with a .45, you can do the same, but it's just easier in the beginning.
Sheela 11th Dec 2019, 3:06 PM edit delete reply

Also, the longer range you have to shoot, the more it favors high speed ballistics, as you have to lead less, and get a more straight trajectory. (bullet drop)

I used to work in a place with lots of bears around, and I ended up with a shotgun with a strong flashlight and a red dot on it, because they usually come around during dusk .. blind 'em and shoot 'em, was the idea. And since they charge pretty fast, you only really want to fire once - So put a big ol' slug in them and worry about the recoil later.

Never had to shoot one though, so that was nice. 😁
Marcus Ramesy 11th Dec 2019, 3:40 PM edit delete reply

this is why I always love the topic of ballistics, because there never is a one size fits all solution, there is however one size fits most, wich in most cases is what ever solution you chose is the right one. (runing is a solution boys and girls and some times the best solution, but not always.)
Sheela 12th Dec 2019, 6:44 AM edit delete reply

Runing ? huh ? Well, ok then!
*picks up hammer and chisel*
Time to engrave some Runes !!! *wham* *wham* *wham* 🤣
megados 12th Dec 2019, 7:32 AM edit delete reply

A doggy that can use a hammer and chisel?! This is awesome! We'll take this on the road! I can see it now! It's gonna be great! We're gonna be sofa-king rich! . . .


robnot 12th Dec 2019, 8:43 AM edit delete reply
? .. I am awesome.. ??
robnot 12th Dec 2019, 8:46 AM edit delete reply
this was meant as puppies translation..
elder futhark..
Sheela 12th Dec 2019, 12:35 PM edit delete reply

@robnot : Damn, someone actually translated it. 😂
chk 17th Dec 2019, 7:43 AM edit delete reply

Oh Sheela. You so crazy.
Sheela 17th Dec 2019, 10:03 AM edit delete reply

It was Marcus' idea !!
Oldarmourer 12th Dec 2019, 11:12 AM edit delete reply
All things considered, the 12ga with shot/buck/slugs is pretty much inarguably the 'all-round' solution to most problems and will take any game in North America (or most anywhere else).

The backup for big game hunters in Africa used to be a 12ga (or 10ga, or 8ga) and you really don't feel recoil when the adrenaline's up.

The main drawback for most shotguns is the lower capacity, but that teaches you to want to learn control because missing fast with a 30 round mag isn't any better than hitting consistently a bit slower although 'continual reload' or even 'emergency reload' is actually pretty fast and keeps up a steady rate of fire.

Another drawback is becoming familiar with it and overcoming the innate fear of recoil, which only a good amount of practice and familiarity will completely overcome. I've seen 98 pound women handle the weapon with ease and skill and 6'4" protein munching men get the shakes before going on the range after their first experience when they didn't listen and assumed it was like the movies.

There's a huge difference between skeet loads and high base buck or slugs and for interior work a birdshot load at close range can be just as effective as a slug depending on shot placement and has the added benefit of not pissing the neighbours off by going through both walls and wrecking their brand new TV. It also makes a pretty good 'master key' :)

We trained on high base #4 Buck at work for use on humans and the shot spread at 25 yds out of an 18.5" barrel wasn't as much as most people would think, and at five yards was pretty much one big it comes out to the metric equivalent of a half box of .22's per round which might not equal instant lethality at range but that wasn't the goal, we were supposed to 'stop' not 'kill' because that made people in offices who'd never carried a weapon in their lives feel better.
robnot 12th Dec 2019, 12:36 PM edit delete reply
i am / was the 98 lbs , 5'2" (now 112lbs , 5'5") person you were talking bout,, because of my size i was a small weapons instructor in the military.. (females were not afraid, when the instructor was smaller than most of em..)
but.. most of the trained, preferred the 1911.! because the heaver frame meant less felt recoil,, and the single stack fit the smaller hand better..
robnot 12th Dec 2019, 12:42 PM edit delete reply
..also.. Howdah pistol .. 20g :)
Oldarmourer 14th Dec 2019, 8:39 PM edit delete reply
or .577 :)
oldastronomer 16th Dec 2019, 1:50 PM edit delete reply
If you are interested in rather older big bore guns, Ian McCollum of forgotton weapons has a couple videos on 4-bore DB stopping rifles - also one where he fires one!! Talk about shoulder wrenching recoil!! The rifles were sort of Maharajah decorated things, definitely exotic.
megados 16th Dec 2019, 8:20 PM edit delete reply
oldastronomer 17th Dec 2019, 2:53 AM edit delete reply
Yes, I remember that one...
More on topic, the existence of antigravity in some form implies the dampening of inertia at some scale or other. Hence the very heavy duty rifle/carbine Logrin was carrying could be handily wielded in a tight, fast situation. The momentum of the rifle is damped. Very handy, if complex to make. Them with the ability may prefer simpler arms for whatever reason.
Oldarmourer 12th Dec 2019, 10:53 AM edit delete reply
Had the same issue in several places...
and 12ga is definitely the recommended weapon for short range bear encounters
The drill for bears isn't to shoot once, it's to try and break both shoulders so it can't chase you...
and they'll outrun an olympic sprinter when they're hungry/mad/feeling threatened
Sheela 12th Dec 2019, 12:50 PM edit delete reply

Well, since the shotgun I carried was for self defence, not having a lot of range was allright.
We used high brass 00-buckshot, or slugs, in the thought that if the shot hit a bone, it would break it and slow the bear down.
And if you got a good center-of-mass shot off, it would go down straight away.

To be honest, we weren't drilled in aiming for anything but center-of-mass, never mind something as fancy as their shoulders.

I only had one encounter, and that bear ran away from the flashlight. 😁
To be fair to the bear though, that flashlight had a button where you could make a quick burst of light … it really was almost like a flashlight on a camera.
Rigor 12th Dec 2019, 4:45 PM edit delete reply
You’d think so. The first time I fired a .45 I got a better group than the first time I fired a 9mm, both events being within a couple months. But that outcome is probably uncommon. Prior to that my handgun experience was several years of firing revolvers.
Oldarmourer 12th Dec 2019, 11:26 AM edit delete reply
In my former life I used to compete at the National level in both service rifle and pistol as well as in local competitions, never won much, but I learned a lot from others at competitions.

My service sidearm was a Browning 9mm, and later on when I carried a badge, a .38 S&W Model 10 then an H&K P2000 9mm.

The H&K is as close to a revolver as I think you can come and is very easy to shoot, I recommend it.
Our only problem was the ivory tower experts demanded the trigger be set as hard as it could go, 16+ pounds, in the name of 'safety' and that's no way to get accuracy or safety, I very literally had to use both index fingers on the trigger for extended firing drills, luckily that's where my hands ended up in my particular hold.

My personal choice is/was a .45 S&W Model 1917 and I can cloverleaf 200gr LSWC's at 1100+ fps with that all day...much better than anything else I've tried over the years. Blackhawk in .357 is quite natural too and very, very fast..for the first six anyway.

True, you can fire a semi-auto a bit faster, but I've surprised a couple of PPC and IPSC shooters over the years with the Blackhawk and full moon clips for the Smith make for a fast reload :)

I guess the rambling point is...
"you'll normally do the best with what you're comfortable with and practice with the most."
I shoot much better groups with a revolver than most autos and most people will, the recoil and muzzle flip are radically different, or so I've found anda different set of grips can makea world of difference in that as well. options are generally more limited for autos, discounting muzzle brakes and ported weights.
Centcomm 12th Dec 2019, 12:02 PM edit delete reply

Compairing Dolly's pistol to Logrins rifle is like comparing a 50 cal anti material rifle to a 357 Hot load. :D her second pistol she used in the palace was a microwave gun. so totally different class of weapon.
Oldarmourer 12th Dec 2019, 8:32 PM edit delete reply
Hers are also about 2,000 years newer than mine :)
Sheela 13th Dec 2019, 12:34 AM edit delete reply

You have a microwave gun ?
robnot 13th Dec 2019, 6:44 AM edit delete reply
microwave gun.. yes , don't we all have one..
also have few Tom Swift Electric Rifle 's..
after my move (across town) im also thinking of putting together a rail gun...
megados 13th Dec 2019, 8:22 AM edit delete reply

Microwave guns exist in the form of MASERs. Dolly's is a lot more compact, though.

A rail gun isn't hard to build, but it's important to make it sturdy enough to withstand the mechanical stress caused by the magnetic field pulse on the rails and busses.

Closest thing to Tom Swift's electric rifle, is the TASER. Tom's rifle didn't rely on wires, though.
robnot 14th Dec 2019, 5:50 AM edit delete reply
thats what taser stands for.:
megados 14th Dec 2019, 6:27 AM edit delete reply

>BONK< I never realized that! (Or I forgot) Kudos! :D
I knew the acronyms for LASER, and MASER, but not that one.
I learned my thing for the day!
Oldarmourer 14th Dec 2019, 12:36 PM edit delete reply
I still have an old issue of 'Guns &Ammo' from the early/mid 70's when the TASER first appeared, and that's exactly what it was called on the cover "Tom Swift's Electric Rifle" :) Still have a few of the old yellow covered Tom Swift novels too...
Oldarmourer 14th Dec 2019, 3:59 PM edit delete reply
Always keep a gun behind the microwave...nobody expects that ;)
Marcus Ramesy 16th Dec 2019, 11:55 AM edit delete reply

OOC POST: Gods, Tom Swift, can honestly victor apelton is partly responsible for who I am today. (and yes I know Tom Swift has been written by many different autos using the same nom de plume).. some of my favorite scifi as a kid, besides the robotech series, or any thing anne mcaffrey.
robnot 17th Dec 2019, 6:48 AM edit delete reply
..Tom Swift, Doc savage, Tolkien, Heinlein, McCaffrey, then Gygax..
an lets not go into anime.... the list is toooo long..(Sol Bianca)
DLKmusic 18th Dec 2019, 1:22 AM edit delete reply

Tolkien, C.S. Lewis, Ursula Le Guin, Ray Bradbury and Asimov (he was a pompous ass, but he sure knew how to write!) when I was younger...

You know, back when we were moving west in our covered wagons...
Evervigilant 11th Dec 2019, 1:41 AM edit delete reply
Skeeter should provide quite a bit of useful information. He not only fought multiple "shiny men" and should have some tactical info, but hopefully was aware enough to witness the odd interaction and conversation between Cyana and the shiny guy with the mystery symbol on him who seemed like some sort of leader.
megados 12th Dec 2019, 9:09 PM edit delete reply

Yes, he should be in a good position to be able to provide a sizable piece of the puzzle.
chk 11th Dec 2019, 7:38 AM edit delete reply

Damn you're good. Dusty's hair, especially in the last panel, looks pretty near real.
Centcomm 11th Dec 2019, 11:24 AM edit delete reply

thank you! good texture maps are worth it
Sheela 11th Dec 2019, 3:06 PM edit delete reply

Are they bendable too ?
Oldarmourer 12th Dec 2019, 11:29 AM edit delete reply
Getting much closer to 'life like' but I'm not so sure that' a good thing, hyper-realistic can be a little offputting in certain scenes, nice clean renders can look even better many times. Keep it up, it's working.
mjkj 11th Dec 2019, 4:43 PM edit delete reply

Great to hear that Cyana is going to be fine... ♡♡♡

...hope they can solve the goldie problem soon...

@alt text: yeah, true
KarToon12 12th Dec 2019, 12:01 PM edit delete reply

I'm glad the girl's gonna be okay. :)
Oldarmourer 12th Dec 2019, 8:36 PM edit delete reply
After CeCi, Arianna and Malati, there might have been pitchforks and torches on the horizon..... ;)
Rashala 13th Dec 2019, 12:43 AM edit delete reply

Good the kids gonna live, though I get a feeling the literal murderturds are about to hit the fans here.
Oldarmourer 14th Dec 2019, 12:38 PM edit delete reply
hmmm...Feeliewhacker vs a murderturd...I'd buy a ticket.
notStanley 14th Dec 2019, 11:36 AM edit delete reply

Somewhere in John Ringo's Black Tide Rising series, a character talks about 9mm vs 45 when dealing with zombies. She has gotten good enough with the 45 that recoil/acquisition were not a factor, so one shot of 45, vs 3 of 9mm, wins for factors such as how much to carry and less time spent swapping clips.
Oldarmourer 14th Dec 2019, 12:43 PM edit delete reply
I find the .45 faster for a second shot in both autos and revolvers, the recoil impulse is quite different and especially in a revolver it 'settles down' a lot quicker, but of course others may have different impressions, it's as much in grip and famiiarity as the cartridge, although .45's are generally a bit heavier and 'muzzle flip' is less pronounced and abrupt. I don't find the recoil as sharp with a .45, more of a push compared to a punch but you can feel the torque when the bullet takes the rifling...not enough to make a difference in shot placement but it's there...for me, anyway.
robnot 16th Dec 2019, 7:15 AM edit delete reply
as Marcus sed: no "one" is right for everybody.. but @Oldarmourer: as much as we have been shooting over the years.. I/we can pick up any gun an be fairly accurate.. but we have that one that we are most accurate with,, (with me it's the M-1 Garand.),, that said.. the wife, (also a marine) wood sit and read while we were shooting,, when we were done an starting to pack up, she wood come over an fire a mag out of the M-9, (12" @ 50ft) then a mag out of the AR-15/M-16, (8" @ 100yds).. just to prove she still had it.. but wen i could her to shoot the slab side 1911,, she was all over the target,, but if put a Houge handall grip on it, she's back to 12" group.. so yeah , in some the grip , and or familiarity is a key factor...
megados 16th Dec 2019, 8:40 PM edit delete reply

You pretty much touched on it right there, robnot, and with what Marcus said, you don't always shoot with the gun you want, you shoot with the gun you have. Different situations suggest different solutions, so it's better to have a number of different guns, and rounds. I can say for myself, that I'm better with the ones I'm familiar with. For instance, I have an old .38 S&W, and it's always a little low and left, but consistent, so it works for me. Others I'm familiar with, work well for me as well. But yes, even unfamiliar ones can give good results if you know how, but you're always better with the familiar ones.
oldastronomer 16th Dec 2019, 1:45 PM edit delete reply
As a brit, I should have seen it sooner...! The goldies remind me a lot of the early Dr Who Cybermen. They were actually more terrifying than the Darleks. Deep in the uncanny valley! With buzzy voices.
oldastronomer 17th Dec 2019, 11:34 AM edit delete reply
yes, please, please, please Murderturds vs Goldies!!!
My money is on the murderturds!!!
megados 17th Dec 2019, 7:40 PM edit delete reply

. . . to the tune of Yakety Sax. (AKA Benny Hill theme)
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