Comic 1638 - Next Moves

17th Dec 2019, 9:00 PM
Next Moves
Average Rating: 5 (17 votes)

Author Notes:

Tokyo Rose 17th Dec 2019, 9:00 PM edit delete
Tokyo Rose
Sorry for the late post; SOMEONE was SLEEPING instead of checking mail to confirm this page was good to go.
Tokyo Rose 24th Dec 2019, 11:42 PM edit delete
Tokyo Rose
I apologize yet again, because I've come down with the same cold Mister Black's been fighting for four days and didn't get a page done. I did suggest a Christmas art bonus to our dear Artist, who promptly DIDN'T GET IT DONE IN A TIMELY FASHION $@#%$%^@%^.

Merry Christmas, folks. :D
Centcomm 29th Dec 2019, 12:45 PM edit delete
Centcomm
Merry Christmas from your Artist... throws glitter...
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Comments:

kraznor 18th Dec 2019, 2:52 AM edit delete reply
The priest and the mermaid….. There’s a joke there somewhere or a pub
Sheela 19th Dec 2019, 6:13 PM edit delete reply

If Ariel is involved, there's definitely a pub somewhere nearby. 😂
Ryu Santos 21st Dec 2019, 8:23 AM edit delete reply

Here's the joke:

Why was the priest amazed by the little mermaid's trapeez act.
Because she was a superb Ariel-ist.
Centcomm 22nd Dec 2019, 1:31 PM edit delete reply

ARRRGH! good one...
jamie59 18th Dec 2019, 3:36 AM edit delete reply

Blue boy must be Rose's favorite.
DLKmusic 18th Dec 2019, 10:20 AM edit delete reply

I'm sure she's got a full arsenal, just because it annoys him!

Blue Bonnet,
Deep Purple,
Baby Blue,
Big Red,

etc...
oldastronomer 18th Dec 2019, 5:56 AM edit delete reply
OOOO...
The penny is dropping
the cat is out of the bag
the balloon is about to go up
hell's a poppin......
robnot 18th Dec 2019, 6:54 AM edit delete reply
soo.? the cat (hell) broke out of the balloon bag, causing it to pop, an go up in flames, an dropping the penny gondola to the ground..
..oh an causing everyone to go ,, "OOOO..."
HiFranc 18th Dec 2019, 3:52 PM edit delete reply

Maybe Skyla’s enquiries triggered an alarm? Or the cassian that survived an attack?

Then again, if a major water supplier (even out in wastes) went silent, some AIS would notice?
Sheela 19th Dec 2019, 5:35 PM edit delete reply

*tries to decide wether to chase the cat or the balloon*

GAH .. too many choices!
megados 18th Dec 2019, 6:02 AM edit delete reply

A.I.S. convention! Sheela had told of "Ariel" based in Denmark. I should not have been surprised that she has a mermaid avatar, nor that Tokyo Rose would be a Joyce fan! The waiting must be for Aeneas?
Gilrandir 18th Dec 2019, 9:08 AM edit delete reply
A.I.S.'s we have met remaining conspicuously absent are Aeneas (Nova Roma) and Centcomm (New Troy). There's probably a Luna A.I.S out there as well, but I don't think we've met them yet.

Of course what they are waiting for depends on why they are there. Re-introducing the sane Aeneas to the A.I. Community would be an excellent reason, I agree. Technically (AFAIK), Rose isn't an A.I.S., but the Treasures are.
megados 18th Dec 2019, 3:39 PM edit delete reply

If I remember right, yes, Rose is a 300+ year old cryogenic human.

I was remiss in not mentioning CentComm, but in my defense, if I interpret the A/N correctly, she was sleeping. ;)

I suspected that there were A.I.S. entities beyond those who we have been introduced to so far. Five of them have appeared here, two have been introduced. I suspect there are more, and as you mention, one of these, or one yet to arrive, may well hail from Luna.
knuut 18th Dec 2019, 8:42 PM edit delete reply
TR was active at the start of 'Luna Star', 914 years before the start of 'Datachasers'(http://lunastar.thecomicseries.com/comics/7). Whether she was a functioning human being or a sentient corpsicle at that time is unclear but her love for snooping other peoples communications and fondness for artificial sentience is clearly evident.
Morituri 22nd Dec 2019, 11:09 PM edit delete reply
Of course there's no guessing what effect actual, biological death of that corpsicle would have on Rose. She might not even notice. Or she might discover she's no longer a cyperpath. Or she might blink out in a sudden flare of logical contradiction, or her avatar might morph and give way to a completely different persona as her "silent helper" AIS mourns her passing and then comes to the fore to demand that Rose's memory be paid respect.

I mean, what are the rules? We got no idea what the rules are. Just sit back and enjoy the popcorn.
Just_IDD 18th Dec 2019, 9:08 PM edit delete reply
I don't think this is a convention. More like a haggle, or maybe a murder. (It would be gaggle if they were geese) calling them a murder hits a little too close, but an "assassination of AI's" would be worse.
Sheela 19th Dec 2019, 5:46 PM edit delete reply

Also, Rose has been funneling her sentience through a baby-AIS for so long, that by now, she's probably half AIS.

And I wasn't even the one who came up with the idea of a Danish AIS being based Ariel the mermaid (That was Centcomm, I think, and Rose approved). Though my head canon immediately accepted it as true.

That said, I expanded upon what Denmark would have as a unique resource .. ie., bio-tech, clean-tech and filters, possibly also stuff like anti-agaics, and clean energy.
Heck, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the organic food synthesiser that Calliope Taylor was fighting with at the beginning of the comic, all the way back on page 3, would be replaced with a new one from Ariels domain. It would fit quite nicely with what Denmark, (and Scandinavian region in general) is doing these days.

That said, I wonder what the "ECP" stands for ?
I'm guessing something akin to Euro-Combine P.... something, something ?
Peacekeeper perhaps ? I'm sure Ariel would *love* to have a few warships to keep the peace with. 🤣

Anyways, I'm really looking forward to what they will do with Ariel. 😁
Oh yeah, and my head cannon has Ariel pegged as a bit of a trickster, should be interesting to see if the dynamic duo went with that as well.
In fact, it will be interesting to see if they have incorporated any of the stuff I have come up with, or go an entirely different route.
Centcomm 20th Dec 2019, 5:22 PM edit delete reply

And yes Ariel is directly thanks to you Sheela!
Sheela 20th Dec 2019, 5:35 PM edit delete reply

*squeeee* 😁
Centcomm 27th Dec 2019, 12:57 PM edit delete reply

Euro-combine-pact
Sheela 27th Dec 2019, 1:11 PM edit delete reply

Ah, neat, the truth has been set free. 😀
megados 27th Dec 2019, 3:27 PM edit delete reply

Ah, so this is a gathering of all the AIS members that basically called off the war?

*edit: Taken with Gilrandir's post above, and noting that CentComm and Aeneas have both yet to arrive, this could get interesting when you consider CentComm tried to 'euthanize' Aeneas, and Tokyo Rose rescued him.

I wonder how much Aeneas knows/remembers.
Rigor 30th Dec 2019, 7:06 PM edit delete reply
Now you’ve got me thinking about my visit to Denmark some years ago and how much I enjoyed the food.
Thracecius 18th Dec 2019, 10:52 AM edit delete reply

Rose is so entertaining, but I'm glad I'm not the butt of her jokes. :D
Sheela 19th Dec 2019, 5:48 PM edit delete reply

Of course not, you have not gotten that far just yet.
Though you may have to be tainted a bit first.
Thracecius 20th Dec 2019, 11:51 AM edit delete reply

Not sure if I'd qualify as tainted (for whatever value of that word you are using), but I do have a warped sense of humor, which is fueled by such things as Gary Larson's "The Far Side" comics, Rowan Atkinson's "The Black Adder" TV show and a little known US TV show called "Special Unit 2" (never made available on DVD, unfortunately), just to name a very limited few sources. ;)
Sheela 20th Dec 2019, 5:36 PM edit delete reply

The Taint !
Oldarmourer 29th Dec 2019, 6:03 PM edit delete reply
mulled it over for a few days now and in the spirit of xmas, I'm not going to touch it...
mjkj 18th Dec 2019, 10:56 AM edit delete reply

Well, let's see of he wilm find out some things...

...and it seems like the AIS are sensing or aware something is amiss... =S

PS: I like Ariel
Sheela 19th Dec 2019, 6:01 PM edit delete reply

Yah, she's pretty. 😀

Not that it matters much, it's just a digital avatar.
Oldarmourer 18th Dec 2019, 11:32 AM edit delete reply
Missing the Canadian AIS, 'Buddywhasisname" ;)
Sheela 19th Dec 2019, 5:50 PM edit delete reply

Sorry, but Buddy is out riding mutated polar bears.
He doesn't have time to meet with you now.
If you wish to call upon him, you must first find out a way to turn Maple Syrup into beer. Only then can you meet with him. .... Remember to bring the beer. 😂
Oldarmourer 19th Dec 2019, 8:57 PM edit delete reply

gotcha covered

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jawbone 20th Dec 2019, 9:35 AM edit delete reply

Buddy's all right, but I want the other fellas to show up.
Oldarmourer 20th Dec 2019, 2:29 PM edit delete reply
someone 'got it' :)
jawbone 21st Dec 2019, 8:27 PM edit delete reply

"As it Happens", I do.
KarToon12 18th Dec 2019, 12:13 PM edit delete reply

Nice to see Rose again. It's been a while since we've seen her.
Johninaustin 18th Dec 2019, 1:33 PM edit delete reply
You know, all this time I just took it as a given that the AIS characters mentioned so far were the only ones. Dare I hope there is a German AIS that looks like an Octoberfest girl? Or a Dutch boy wearing wooden shoes? Maybe an Austrailian one with a really big knife? :)
Sheela 19th Dec 2019, 5:53 PM edit delete reply

If I understand the lore right, Germany, Britain and France took the brunt of the nuclear war, so there's probably not much left of them. And since the Dutch is right in between those three ... yeahh …

Actually, I'm curious as to how the Vatican survived.
Maybe they rebuilt the Vatican so it could float, and left Italy before the war started ?
Oldarmourer 18th Dec 2019, 2:13 PM edit delete reply
Sort of a little different look for Rose...not sure which one I like better yet.
They're both good...each in it's own way.
Just_IDD 18th Dec 2019, 8:15 PM edit delete reply
This looks like Rose from before she stopped a certain guy off for a makeover that made him more bullet resistant.
Oldarmourer 19th Dec 2019, 4:34 PM edit delete reply
the 'latex look' is something a bit different, and what I was referring to, it's certainly clingy and not unappealing :)
Oldarmourer 19th Dec 2019, 4:37 PM edit delete reply
perhaps she wore it expressly for Loyola ? ;)
Morituri 25th Dec 2019, 11:18 AM edit delete reply
I sort of imagine AI avatars morphing and switching a lot, as a form of emote. Like the AI whose avatar changes clothes on a daily (or minute-ly) basis, or who wears a different face for a few seconds when being sarcastic, or switches back and forth between expressed gender depending on mood, or even just becomes a twisting swirl of multicolored light when "zoned out and happy" as a way of expressing, "I'm happy right now, please don't bug me."

But it seems that in comics hardly anyone ever changes clothes. The clothes are part of the character's look and along with the hairstyle, colors, stature, etc, help the audience recognize who they are. So comic artists don't change them very often.
Just_IDD 18th Dec 2019, 8:07 PM edit delete reply
I'm really surprised TR didn't tell him to come blow his horn, though I guess in a way he is, so calling him blue boy might make sense. I guess it's better than calling him "blue balls." That is something Rose wouldn't really not like.
Demarquis 18th Dec 2019, 8:11 PM edit delete reply
Is it appropriate that the American one looks like a sexbot?
Thracecius 19th Dec 2019, 12:04 PM edit delete reply

Umm, which one are you talking about? None of the AI present are from North America, except perhaps Deep Blue. So far as I know, the only "American" AI we've see so far are Centcomm (New Troy) and Aeneas (New Rome).
Sheela 19th Dec 2019, 6:08 PM edit delete reply

There's also the New Sparta AIS, Agamemnon I think it was ?
Haven't seen him either .. yet .. though he has been mentioned in the comic.
Demarquis 31st Dec 2019, 11:50 AM edit delete reply
I'm referring to CentComm, of course. Isn't she based in the landmass formerly known as the US?

Obviously, she isn't present, at least not yet.
megados 31st Dec 2019, 12:38 PM edit delete reply

Yes, CentComm's dolls are based on a sexbot design. It was CentComm's intent to do so, if I remember right. It was something like she felt she was getting screwed or something like that.
Demarquis 31st Dec 2019, 11:50 AM edit delete reply
I'm referring to CentComm, of course. Isn't she based in the landmass formerly known as the US?

Obviously, she isn't present, at least not yet.
Rashala 19th Dec 2019, 12:21 AM edit delete reply

Deep blue...wow he must be like a total party animal you know lampshade on head keg stans all that if rose thinks talking to him is so exciting and fun
robnot 19th Dec 2019, 7:11 AM edit delete reply
just a reminder.: Only Aeneas (and us) knows what/who "Tokyo Rose" really is... Nobody else knows for sure (including the other AIS.).. an Rose likes it that way...
thats part of her mystique,, i wood not put it past her to start a few of the rumors ,, both real an false..
Sheela 19th Dec 2019, 5:56 PM edit delete reply

Deep Blue probably knows as well, but just doesn't care.
Oldarmourer 19th Dec 2019, 8:52 PM edit delete reply

So Logrin's headed to Breaker's...
Cue a Dolly flashback or re-entrance ?
or does this sum up her memories of the last time ? ;)


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Oldarmourer 20th Dec 2019, 8:50 AM edit delete reply
I can see her desperately trying to runstop that particular .exe file :)
DLKmusic 19th Dec 2019, 11:03 PM edit delete reply

I may be the only one who thinks this, but I gotta say "BRAVO" to Cent for Master Loyola. I think that's probably the best looking male character you've ever rendered. Perfect for a virtual priest... Fit, calm, and a compassionate look about him.

Again, I say "BRAVO"!!!!!
Oldarmourer 20th Dec 2019, 2:30 PM edit delete reply
sort of reminds me of someone but I can't put finger on who...
ther's a touch of Shatner in there but it's not him...
Centcomm 20th Dec 2019, 5:24 PM edit delete reply

You can thank Rose for Master Latoya, she came up with the idea.
Oldarmourer 23rd Dec 2019, 10:48 PM edit delete reply
is the 'Loyola' AIS sited in the vatican itself or one of the various 'Loyola' colleges around the world ? or maybe dispersed throughout them ? or both ?
Samuel Bronson 20th Dec 2019, 12:11 AM edit delete reply
Wasn't "Deep Blue" the name of a chess computer made by IBM?
Quieteyes 20th Dec 2019, 4:51 AM edit delete reply
...and Big Blue was the nick-name for I.B.M.
Just_IDD 25th Dec 2019, 5:58 AM edit delete reply
Everyone thinks that IBM is for "International Business Machines", but the real meaning of this acronym is....

"It's Better Manually"

Because manually was so much better than IBM's way in the earlier days.
Centcomm 20th Dec 2019, 5:24 PM edit delete reply

yes , yes it was :D
knuut 20th Dec 2019, 6:54 PM edit delete reply
If memory serves, the 'Deep' was a borrow from an AI called 'Deep Thoughts' in 'Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy'.
Just_IDD 21st Dec 2019, 7:59 AM edit delete reply
Yep, he was the one responsible for the answer -- 42, but he wasn't powerful enough to determine the question. That is what the earth was built for.

Douglas Adams was truly a genius. He did a 1 hour video project for the BBC called "Tomorrowland" in 1980 about a new way to retrieve information. You can find it on youtube. The thing you have to understand while watching it, it was created 10 years BEFORE 'Gopher' which is the conceptual parent to the world wide web(www).
jawbone 21st Dec 2019, 8:30 PM edit delete reply

ftp's good enough fer me.
Naldru 26th Dec 2019, 6:46 PM edit delete reply
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Blue_(chess_computer). Deep Thought was the name of the computer when Carnegie Mellon started work on it. Deep Blue was the name after IBM took over the project.
Rigor 22nd Dec 2019, 4:32 PM edit delete reply
I must have missed those particular writings in high school English literature. And college English literature had us reading a disproportionate amount of homosexual-oriented fiction, despite it being a US military academy in the days of “don’t ask don’t tell.”
DLKmusic 23rd Dec 2019, 11:53 PM edit delete reply

I was introduced to Joyce in college, "Finnigan's wake" was on the reading list (not an easy read, btw). TR actually introduced me to these letters. They were published Posthumously, which means they survived 3 evacuations during pre-WW2. They actually meant a lot to his wife, Nora.

You can read them here, but be warned they are VERY NFSW:
https://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2018/02/02/james-joyces-love-letters-dirty-little-fuckbird/
Morituri 22nd Dec 2019, 11:26 PM edit delete reply
At 900+ years, Rose is not merely the oldest present; she is prehistoric as far as other AIS are concerned; she looms out of unremembered history like a leviathan of deep time.

She was active at the time of Luna Star which makes 950 (?) years the lowerbound on her age. We have no idea how old she was then.

Centcomm existed, sort of, but was not yet 'sparked' and conscious, and most people didn't even know yet that anything like AIS could exist. But Rose did. Rose had already trained that "Baby AIS" she was talking about to be her assistant/avatar/standin/continuation, so Rose was clearly centuries ahead of the game. Her interest in machine intelligence/consciousness at the time is the interest of somebody who wants desperately for other people to not fuck it up. And the interest of someone who might, or might not, actually be lonely for company.

Rose was there before Centcomm. She is directly responsible for the existence of the Three Treasures, and Aeneas. She probably wrote the texts that were used to train the creators of the rest.

They would not believe, even if told, that she is (or at least started out) biological. Aeneas actually saw her "in the flesh" (literally, if by remote link), and even he didn't know whether to believe it. And Aeneas has no firm idea just how old she is, I think.
megados 23rd Dec 2019, 8:11 AM edit delete reply

Is she older than Deep Blue? I don't know how old Deep Blue is.
Oldarmourer 23rd Dec 2019, 1:34 PM edit delete reply
I wonder...is 'Deep Blue' a 'new' creation or did someone just keep building onto the original 'supercomputer' past it's chess playing purpose ?
knuut 23rd Dec 2019, 4:06 PM edit delete reply
If you merge chess playing 'Deep Blue' with Jeopardy playing 'Watson' and bit of self modifying gaming AI that has been developed since 'Watson' and then let it grow itself, you would be well on your way to the Datachasers 'Deep Blue'.
Lurker314 25th Dec 2019, 10:24 AM edit delete reply
Rose is old enough to remember when Deep Blue was just a chess program.
Quieteyes 29th Dec 2019, 7:50 AM edit delete reply
It's grown 2,415 times since then.

Nice reference. :-)
Lurker314 30th Oct 2020, 2:00 AM edit delete reply
@Quieteyes
That's actually a double-reference there. ;)
sigpig 9th Jan 2020, 2:13 PM edit delete reply

Rose is old enough to have worked on code on a Commodore 64...
Naldru 27th Dec 2019, 11:19 AM edit delete reply
Deep Blue - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Blue_(chess_computer)
Watson - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watson_(computer)

Deep Blue played the famous chess games in 1996 and 1997 and used custom VLSI chips. If parts were used from a previous system they were probably standard parts taken from stock.

The initial version of Watson started tests in 2006 and the televised competitions were in 2011. Since Watson was based a commercial IBM server (thousands of them), it would not have used components from previous systems.

Software is a different story. There might be code from previous AI systems that are carried through to the next. It is unlikely that hardware would be carried over between systems.

The current development system can be compared to the tik-tok paradigm from Intel. Faster processors and GPU's would be used as they become available. A separate process would improve the software with the software loaded on whatever would be the currently fastest equipment.
megados 24th Dec 2019, 7:15 AM edit delete reply

To everyone:

Here's wishing you and yours a Merry Christmas!
Morituri 24th Dec 2019, 2:04 PM edit delete reply
I think, as I write this, that Christmas is probably breaking over the International Date Line.

But wherever it catches up with you, have a happy Holiday.

My wife and I celebrated Yule three days past; our neighbors celebrate Christmas and I'm-not-sure-what, respectively. Hm. He's from South Africa, and that's mostly Christmas....

And we have some Russian Orthodox neighbors next block over who'll be celebrating Christmas two weeks or so from now.

It's all good.
Oldarmourer 24th Dec 2019, 7:26 PM edit delete reply

Happy Hannukwansolstimus

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mjkj 25th Dec 2019, 2:09 AM edit delete reply

Happy holidays <3
Just_IDD 25th Dec 2019, 6:14 AM edit delete reply
Happy Festivus ...The festival for the rest of us!

(My two issues with this season is the the massive over commercialization and then all of the people telling me I "have to be happy" right as my SADD is kicking into full gear.
CptKerion 25th Dec 2019, 9:56 AM edit delete reply
I know this is probably something you've heard, but I wound up with a cheapo SADD lamp that was marketed as an alarm clock and it actually works for me. I also use it as an alarm clock because I'd gotten way too good at sleeping through the normal beep beep beep one
Morituri 25th Dec 2019, 10:58 AM edit delete reply
I changed the bulbs in my office for full-spectrum light (lots brighter in blue and red than in most commercial bulbs), and it really did help with that.

That said, knowing shit ain't the same as feeling shit, and I understand how we know-it-all people with advice about light are probably making you feel extra-stabby right now. Been there. Sympathies. I still feel that way when I'm being depressive (yeah, winter SADD aggravates it but it's never been nearly the whole story) and people tell me "just think positive!"

Seriously though; if not a happy Christmas, I hope you can manage at least one of the lesser goals, like being productive, or relaxed, or indulging in little physical pleasures like long hot baths and good food and so on.
Oldarmourer 25th Dec 2019, 5:54 PM edit delete reply
It can definitely be a nuisance and even more than that for some, especially with the holiday stresses coming right when the days are the shortest.

Now that I'm retired I decided to let it work for me this year, I have no problem staying in bed until noon for a change and I don't keep a schedule of any kind except the odd appointment I schedule as late as I can or go back to bed after.

I used to get through it by working nights and completely resetting my internal clock, that worked for me but it might not for everyone, it's not the same for everyone but I guess my secret is I'm always tired and cranky so it never really mattered, even if it should have.

SADD is a real thing but trying to convince people who aren't affected by it is almost as hard as putting up with it...working for executives who never had to work a rotating shift in their life but love to tinker with schedules and shifts just compounds it...luckily I had no shortage of people willing to trade night shift off, I was at least functional then instead of being a zombie in the daytime...that got me through it, your mileage may vary.
Naldru 26th Dec 2019, 7:34 AM edit delete reply
I understand that the United States Air Force wrote a manual on rotating shifts and jet lag and how to minimize the bad effects. If you could find a copy, you could put it on your desk for your bosses to see. However, just imagine the problem in the higher latitudes (both north and south) where you have the "land of the midnight sun.
Oldarmourer 26th Dec 2019, 12:24 PM edit delete reply
Working shifts doesn't kill you, CHANGING shifts kills you...
For years we used to work two 1800-0630/45 night shifts then two 0630-1900/15 day shifts right afterward...the 24 hours 'off' between the end of the second night shift and the start of the first day shift was usually spent wide awake and that first day shift was either a sick day or a 'zombie day'...
I called it 'child abuse' and traded the day shifts off whenever I could.
It later got changed to doing the day shifts first which was marginally better but a block of four days then four nights would have been a lot easier, after working 52.5 hours (more or less, it varied a bit) in a week you did have five days off between sets, sort of, but that first one was a complete write off, and most of the last one since you started the first night shift the evening of your last day 'off'. That and a touch of SADD made life interesting to say the least...and if you didn't have SADD when you started, you were issued it along the way.
kraznor 25th Dec 2019, 6:20 AM edit delete reply
Happy holidays :)
megados 25th Dec 2019, 9:13 AM edit delete reply

To Cent, and Rose: Love ya both. Happy Holidays! :D
Thracecius 26th Dec 2019, 10:36 AM edit delete reply

I second that heartily, Centcomm and Tokyo Rose! Be well and have a Happy New Year as well. :)
megados 29th Dec 2019, 5:13 PM edit delete reply

aAAAAaaa! I got glitter in my eye!

Merry Christmas, Centcomm, and a Happy upcoming New Year! I saved some ham for ya! :D
jawbone 25th Dec 2019, 5:57 PM edit delete reply

One of the more enjoyable appendices of the winter for me, besides the sheer delight of denning up a lot, is the challah; so I wish all of you who can tolerate wheat and fat and sugar some happy challah daze.
Oldarmourer 26th Dec 2019, 12:32 PM edit delete reply

Shabbat is coming, but thankfully you can have Challah anytime :)

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knuut 28th Dec 2019, 8:46 AM edit delete reply
and for those of us who do have a problem with wheat or sugar, mastercook.com/app/Recipe/WebRecipeDetails?recipeId=19707576
Thracecius 30th Dec 2019, 2:42 PM edit delete reply

That looks pretty tasty, except I have to add dairy, lemon and vanilla (and some berries) to the previously mentioned "no" list. :P

Fortunately for me, I don't have severe reactions (i.e. anaphylatic shock, etc.) to any of the 50 plus foods I'm sensitive to, but it does make life more "interesting" when it comes to food.
Oldarmourer 31st Dec 2019, 12:26 PM edit delete reply
when you keep kosher and are allergic to fish, that pretty much lets anything from the ocean out...except seaweed...and I do like miso soup :) (as long as it's made without tuna)
Grault 14th Jan 2020, 2:21 PM edit delete reply
I know I'm late, but... Ode to Big Blue: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WIt2yZUT9P8
Centcomm 15th Jan 2020, 10:05 AM edit delete reply

I approve :D
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