Comic 1645 - Little Mother

11th Feb 2020, 9:00 PM
Little Mother
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megados 11th Feb 2020, 9:42 PM edit delete reply

Re:Alt text, Oddly enough, I can understand the challenge with Cent's dialog. Passionately dispassionate, I might say. The unemotional emotion. Also, I sense a certain amount of pride in her words. It is quite good!

I can see why CentComm might feel that she had done something in putting armaments at his disposal. She knew he used them, and had enough cognition to keep from using, or allowing the use of "Stockpile Zero", and realized he existed in a state of fear and madness. Would those things not be indication that Aeneas was functioning at some level? Rather than there being little chance of his having survived, wouldn't those indications have brought the odds up some?

Another great page, and once again, thought provoking!
Sheela 12th Feb 2020, 12:09 AM edit delete reply

Worse, if he had used them, her combat routines would probably have automatically retaliated.

This is the automatized version of the movie "Wargames".
It would all be over before you knew about it.
megados 12th Feb 2020, 7:53 AM edit delete reply

Very true, Sheela. Also, because he defended his perimeter, and because he disallowed Aurelieus access to Stockpile Zero, even in his state of disrepair, which she acknowledges as fear and madness, it is evidence that she did know something of his condition, and that he was functioning on some level. I don't know how aware Agamemnon was of these details, but it does seem to make his "shame" comment all the more relevant.
Ebonbolt 16th Feb 2020, 2:58 PM edit delete reply

All the emotional dissociation of absolute logic, all the passion of absolute conviction.
Tom 11th Feb 2020, 11:15 PM edit delete reply
Help me understand so I do not hate.

Powerful stuff there. I love it.
Morituri 12th Feb 2020, 12:25 PM edit delete reply
Saying something like that, and legit waiting for an honest answer before descending into chaos and violence, is something that only a very few of the very finest humans can manage.

Very few of us would even think of that, at least not in a way accessible enough to our conscious minds to say out loud. We would go straight to fighting and then only too late when the damage was done realize we'd wanted or hoped something else when we found ourselves burdened by regret.

And very few of the humans who'd even say it would be waiting for and willing to at least consider an honest answer. Instead We'd be looking for an excuse to justify our rage, ready to call any response a lie. Anger overtakes our ability to even genuinely think about a response.

Just sayin'. What Aeneas is doing here - even just that one single instant of what he did - is hard. It requires more emotional strength than he'd be expected to have after what he's been through, and more nobility than Cent has any right to expect.
DLKmusic 12th Feb 2020, 3:04 PM edit delete reply

@Tom: I agree, absolutely brilliant.

From a long list of poignant lines that TR has written, that has got to be at or near the top of the list!

(I'll stop gushing like a fanboy now.... maybe...)
DLKmusic 15th Feb 2020, 3:50 PM edit delete reply


(still gushing)
mjkj 11th Feb 2020, 11:42 PM edit delete reply, poor Cent...

I wonder what Aeneas will make of that...

...greatly written! πŸ‘
Sheela 11th Feb 2020, 11:48 PM edit delete reply

Centcomm : "None of us have hearts!"
Tokyo Rose : "I'm just a little dust bunny sitting over here in the background, don't mind me!"

megados 12th Feb 2020, 7:27 AM edit delete reply

I take that as an indication that CentComm doesn't know that Tokyo Rose is human/meatsicle.
Centcomm 13th Feb 2020, 10:48 AM edit delete reply

No she does not
megados 14th Feb 2020, 7:39 AM edit delete reply

Ah, thank you Centcomm :)
Oldarmourer 15th Feb 2020, 4:11 PM edit delete reply
it was established that outside of those physically maintaining her 'freezer', and of course the Treasures, Aeneas is the only one who knows her 'true' form, the rest assume she's an AIS like they are.

The interesting part will be what he says when he gets around to focusing on TR in his rant and maybe forgets it's supposed to be a secret...

After all, the only way for two people to keep a secret is if one of them is dead...
Sheela 16th Feb 2020, 5:01 PM edit delete reply

He's an AI, he has perfect recall.

As for what the other AIS' thinks of Tokyo Rose, I'm thinking that they are "not sure" … since she has been around for so long, and she's always been very secretive, she's a bit of an unknown - Though I think they do believe her to be "mostly" an AIS.
megados 17th Feb 2020, 8:54 AM edit delete reply

That's an interesting point. Aeneas knows because she told him. I originally thought CentComm might have, but that's put to rest now, and I don't think the others do. The thing is, they either do, or don't know, but "not sure" kind of implies they're on the fence/can't decide. Personally, I don't think they have made a philosophical issue of it, in that I can't envision them suspecting that she's not, since she was around before any of them. If they were told they would know, and if not, they would have really no reason to suspect.
Sheela 17th Feb 2020, 9:37 AM edit delete reply

It's not necessarily a philosophical question - It could be a question of technology as well.
During the initial phase of a new type of technology, there tends to be more variation in the technology, than later on.
Who knows what the first systems were made of ?
Heck, Amy in Luna Star was a positronic system that sparked.
For all they know, Tokyo Rose was a positronic system too.
Heck, she might not even have been a quantum computing system !

She may be an AIS, she may be an android, she could even be a "smart" system of epic proportions.
They don't know exactly what she is, and why she was "made" either.
All they really know, is that she is different in some ways.

But what she is exactly ?
They. don't. know!
megados 17th Feb 2020, 2:08 PM edit delete reply

I'm not arguing whether they know or not. They pretty clearly don't. The thing I was (unsuccessfully) trying to say, is that I don't think they spend much beyond a few milliseconds thinking about it, beyond assessing data they already have on the subject, and deciding there is insufficient information to make a determination. About the only way they would devote any more clock cycles to it, would be if new information was gained. Until then, my guess would be that they would treat as "She is what she is". Beyond that, they haven't been given any real reason to care.
Sheela 18th Feb 2020, 12:16 AM edit delete reply

Actually, I could totally see a bunch of AIS's obsessing over what Rose is.
They are essentially giant emotional computers, I think they like to classify everything - And the Tokyo rose doesn't fit into any of their neat categories, she has been around for pretty much forever, and she only just squeezes into the AIS definition.

Oh yeah, they would obsess over it.
megados 18th Feb 2020, 8:24 AM edit delete reply

Hmm, well, if you're right, it tends to help make the case for emotional machines. Purely logical machines would quickly realize they had insufficient information, and suspend operation pending aquisition of additional data. The operation would most likely be forked to a subroutine awaiting additional input.
HiFranc 12th Feb 2020, 1:31 AM edit delete reply

As much as people (and AISs) claim that Centcomm doesn’t have a heart - the desire to make an improved version and be proud of him means that she’s more emotional than even she gives herself credit for.
megados 12th Feb 2020, 7:27 AM edit delete reply

It does seem that way.
Morituri 12th Feb 2020, 12:44 PM edit delete reply
I have the impression it's more instrumental in her case. Not that there's anything inherently wrong with that, but it's different from the impulse to kindness you're thinking of.

I suspect that her organizing principle is immutable - that she very literally can't change on a fundamental level, as she reminded Rose a page or two ago. She's a goal-seeking system built around a single mission that defines her.

But that mission, thankfully, led in a direction her builders had not necessarily anticipated and allows the current balance of power.

It may have been something as fundamentally simple as "strengthen, preserve and protect the citizens of New Troy." Meaning she doesn't give a shit about any other humans, and cares about New Troy citizens only in a greatest-good-for-the-greatest-number sense.

But that goal admits of a solution where she preserves and protects them by cooperating with alliances outside New Troy as well as the obvious solution of doing it by military force.

Building an AIS that is optimized directly for the former solution rather than the latter, and putting it in place at Nova Roma, makes it less likely that Nova Roma will place the citizens of New Troy in danger. This is consistent with her mission.

The fact that in doing so she can cultivate some goodwill with others in an alliance is a bonus, because it also helps preserve the citizens of New Troy.

She's not doing "good" so much, at least doesn't read to me as having any intent to do so. She's steered toward beneficial acts purely by instrumental considerations relating to her unchanging mission.
KarToon12 12th Feb 2020, 12:54 PM edit delete reply

Totally agree.
Morituri 12th Feb 2020, 12:54 PM edit delete reply
There's an interesting note though. If she was set in motion with a directive relating to the welfare or autonomy of the citizens of New Troy, and cares about them primarily in a greatest-good-for-the-greatest-number sense, the change in New Troy law, within living memory here, that allows human-level androids to become citizens, would have completely changed her world.

Not only are they no longer cost-free cannon-fodder whose sacrifice is unrelated to her goals, but they are now citizens whose welfare she has to weigh against the welfare of other citizens.

IIRC, Androids are now the majority in New Troy. Solutions that sacrifice all the human citizens for their sake are now possible. Not likely under current circumstances, but depending on how lopsided that majority gets, certainly not off the table.
megados 12th Feb 2020, 1:18 PM edit delete reply

Aside from directives, and rigid organizing principles, or exactly what they entail, CentComm does not speak of Aeneas' construction, or design in those cold, logical, or optimal parameters. Rather, she seems to have a certain pride in his abilities, and a certain regret that the decision to place him as the guard of the Stockpile had put him in harm's way, and it also almost sounds as if, in hindsight, it might have been . . . unexpected.

If I think back to the time that CentComm was realizing that Decimus had Lynn, and was worriedly telling Calliope that she never wanted to go back to being the war machine she once was, the hint of emotion there, as well as here, leaves me with a feeling that there's more to her than she usually lets on.
Thracecius 13th Feb 2020, 12:45 PM edit delete reply

Though I suspect you are right about Centcomm "playing her cards close to her chest", it's also possible that while she does phrase things that imply emotion, she could also be using that language purely for diplomatic reasons, as dealing with humans over an extended period of time has no doubt taught her that some language provides more optimal results. I'm not implying that Centcomm lies, just that we've had indications she uses language as efficiently and deftly as she plans her operations, so it wouldn't surprise me at all to find out she only feigns emotion through calculated language, tone and suchlike.
robnot 13th Feb 2020, 10:00 PM edit delete reply
.. Cold Terror 983.. Yes , as i sed before Cent-Comm has feelings,, she is terrified , ..
but as Cent the mil-sec AIS. she CAN'T have feelings,.! she is the bully with the BIG golden F^C*en hammer.. if she shows one weak spot , they WILL exploit it... so in public she is a cold calculating b!T(H , even to Calli.!!!
Thracecius 14th Feb 2020, 1:50 PM edit delete reply

Thanks for the link, robnot! I had forgotten about that little exchange, and upon rereading it I'll grant that it very much appears that Centcomm has emotions, but I wouldn't put money on it, if only because I always acknowledge that I can be misreading a situation. I did, however, find an interesting tidbit from Centcomm in the comments in a back and forth with Sheela:

"again.. where has she lied? she may have withheld information but she has not actually lied to calliope .. and that line makes all the diffrence to her. ( cent )

and calliope also understands that logic as well.."

Sheela said that lying can be by omission, which Centcomm acknowledged, but stated that ultimately Calliope understood the situation and Centcomm's actions, even if she didn't like them. This little reveal doesn't really confirm or deny Centcomm having emotions, but it does support my hypothesis that she chooses her words very carefully for the effect they will have on the listener, which could be construed as evidence that she does not have emotion, only simulated emotion for the comfort of her human allies and charges. This current page states that the AISs have repurposed themselves and learned from each other, but doesn't do more than imply that they have learned emotion, so unless I have evidence to the contrary, I choose to leave it as an open question in my mind.
megados 14th Feb 2020, 2:05 PM edit delete reply

Yep robnot, that's the page I was referring to. Thanks.

*edit: @Thracecius, it's true that it's not clear where the impression of emotion comes from. It's not going to be derived in the same way that it is for humans, but the end result is the same: to elicit responses. There can be little doubt that they're derived by some algorithmic process; she's a computer after all. It's quite possible that her emotions are contrived linguistic patterns to simulate equivalent emotions, sort of how a sociopath can. Not to say that CentComm is sociopathic, but the emotional process might be similar.
Gilrandir 12th Feb 2020, 1:52 AM edit delete reply
First of all, an excellent page. Thank you.

Second, excellent dialogue. Some really lovely stuff that works on many levels.

Thirdly, very fine art. I particularly like Aeneas' expression in panel 2. I am not so enthusiastic about his expression in panel 5. Panels 5 & 6 make it look like he is about to try choking the life out of CentComm, and I am not sure if that is the intent or not, but it would seem to be a very foolish thing to try.

It is an irony that was not immediately apparent to me, but crystallized on about the third reading that Aeneas -- who has an in-built capacity for emotion -- is asking CentComm -- who is proverbial for lacking integrated emotional capability -- to help him select (or avoid) an emotional response. This would seem analogous to a sighted person asking a blind man to help them understand what they are seeing -- which is not nonsensical, but certainly in the 'low probability' regime.

I feel like the realization Aeneas is groping toward is that it is unfair to hate CentComm for acting according to her nature. He keeps trying to hold her accountable to his standard (or human standards -- the same ones Agamemnon was using), but that isn't really appropriate grounds for 'hate'. After all, she did not choose to be as she is. There is no malice in her, only cold equations and driving purpose. Disapproval or disagreement, perhaps, but not hate.
Grault 12th Feb 2020, 8:26 AM edit delete reply
If the universe is deterministic, no one chooses what they are, and yet there are some ideas and some types of people worthy of hatred - or intense disdain and severe action, if the word "hatred" is the hang-up.
Sheela 12th Feb 2020, 12:05 PM edit delete reply

Children usually turn to their parents for affirmation, when they feel hurt.
Thracecius 12th Feb 2020, 12:37 PM edit delete reply

Amazing page, Centcomm! I can readily see why this page exhausted you, I've written scenes of my own that did similar to me, so you have my sincere gratitude for enduring it to show us this revelation.

What Gilrandir has posted is largely what I apparently failed to convey in my comments on previous pages, so I am thankful to you, Gilrandir. Aeneas' expression reminds me of a muted version of Joquim Phoenix's (Commodus) pained expressions trying to understand why his father (Richard Harris as Marcus Aurelius) "doesn't love him" in the movie 'The Gladiator'. It was a powerful scene and basically defined the character, and while I don't expect that Aeneas will try to kill Centcomm, even for show, it does not surprise me that he is expressing anger from his obvious emotional/psychological hurt, which is, in and of itself, an indication of how vastly different he is from Centcomm. I believe the phrase, 'separated by a common heritage', would be an apt description.

So which AIs are the progenitors, and which are the descendants? I thought Centcomm was the only original, except for maybe Tokyo Rose?
Meska 12th Feb 2020, 5:32 AM edit delete reply
Does anyone else see how his eyes are lit in the last frame of him looking at Cent? There is a shine there that is missing in the other images above.

I wonder... As they gave him abilities, can he give in return?

We saw how he could force TR to show her true self. Could he also "give" or "implant" a bit of himself over to his Makers?

Imagining a Centcomm with the ability to truly feel and emote would be interesting. I like her as she is but my heart flutters when I imagine her with true emotions. That could be INTERESTING...or the end of all things.
Oldarmourer 12th Feb 2020, 6:34 PM edit delete reply
From TR Actual herself:
"The concept of "sparking", as we've used it colloquially in reference to androids, has no applicability to the Artificial Intelligence Systems like Cent-Comm, Agamemnon, etc."

I still can't help but wonder (I wonder a lot, it goes hand in hand with the mind wandering)
"since Centcomm had a hand in the construction of Aeneas, a very big hand it seems, and since Cent does put the 'seed' into androids that can then 'spark' or not, might she have dropped a slightly different form of that seed into Aeneas's construction, one that wasn't intended to 'spark' but may have unintentionally become something similar ? or maybe TR flavoured the broth ?, she had a hand in construction as well since the other AIS's consider her to be one as well and we've seen that Aeneas can be VERY emotional, much more so than the others appear to be...or maybe the internal damage control in trying to repair the 'injuries' he sustained jumpered something in a non-standard way ?"

see...that was a long wandering wondering ;)
Meska 13th Feb 2020, 7:15 AM edit delete reply
Heh! That was an excellent Wondered Wondering.

*double thumbs up*
Centcomm 13th Feb 2020, 10:49 AM edit delete reply

Interestingly enough that was a total accident
Thracecius 13th Feb 2020, 12:48 PM edit delete reply

I just assumed it was a trick of the lighting of the scene, not an intentional direction of the art.
Bullwinkle 12th Feb 2020, 5:45 AM edit delete reply
Am I the only one wondering if the android /cyborgs that attacked Ophelia and the water works are from stockpile at site zero?
robnot 12th Feb 2020, 5:58 AM edit delete reply
as previously stated ,, NO ..
the 'Goldies' are something different..
Cent-Comm is so afraid / nervous (my opinion) of what "Site Zero" can do that she has it so locked down,, that a rad-roach can't fart in there without her knowing.!!
Oldarmourer 12th Feb 2020, 7:43 AM edit delete reply
and the clot thickens.....
'site zero' that the same storehouse Centy's afraid that Lynn might have been forced to unlock ?
does Aeneas have access as well ?
is there a site 'zero plus one' ?
all these questions and more on the next episode....
Oldarmourer 12th Feb 2020, 7:46 AM edit delete reply
and all these things in my own backyard that I never knew existed ;)
I wonder if 'site zero' is the tourist traps at Cavendish, not far from Aeneas's zone...who knows what they stashed in 'King Tut's Tomb'
clever research by the creators ;)
Sheela 12th Feb 2020, 12:07 PM edit delete reply

We don't know !! πŸ˜€

All I know, is that it's a great spot to bury shoes! 😁
Oldarmourer 12th Feb 2020, 6:21 PM edit delete reply
not really, what isn't concrete and fake sandstone in that area is red clay...sticky, slippery red clay that stains everything...especially shoes
megados 12th Feb 2020, 6:45 PM edit delete reply

Okay, look at Sheela, now look at the red clay, now Sheela again, then the clay . . . Note any similarities . . . A pattern begins to emerge . . . XD
Oldarmourer 12th Feb 2020, 8:25 PM edit delete reply
not quite the same shade ;) not as sticky either, I'd wager...
I remember when I was about six or seven I wandered across a plowed field behind our house after it had rained
and got the time anyone found me I had sunk almost to my shoulders and it was pretty much only because I was small and didn't need much breathing room that I hadn't been suffocated already...
the red mud has claimed more than a few over the years...luckily it spit me out
Sheela 13th Feb 2020, 5:09 PM edit delete reply

I'm speciul !
Centcomm 13th Feb 2020, 10:49 AM edit delete reply

Site 0 is not the same thing
robnot 13th Feb 2020, 8:06 PM edit delete reply
im guessing here...
but like any paranoid military,, you don't have all your assets in one spot.. i would say, at least 8 bolt holes , 2 per time zone, one north an one south.. and not to far to take forever to get there, but still close ..
and a trusted caretaker , if any thing happened that remote control was severed..
Oldarmourer 16th Feb 2020, 1:14 PM edit delete reply
or many times, you do put all your eggs in one basket...and then guard that basket very carefully.
Just_IDD 12th Feb 2020, 8:59 AM edit delete reply
I think Aeneas lost the recall of site zero early in the attack otherwise he very well might have used it.
sigpig 12th Feb 2020, 2:21 PM edit delete reply

Rose - this is Hugo-level dialogue. I am serious about this.

I guess all the other AIS' evolved like Mycroft Holmes in Heinlein's The Moon is a Harsh Mistress. The meatbags kept adding on tasks and abilities that they had to evolve into what they now are.
I think the question that Aeneas might be afraid to ask is "Why did you come to destroy me, instead of, at the VERY least, EVALUATE me?" While war-gaming a million different scenarios can give you a statistical kill/no kill answer, there is nothing like actually getting eyes on the target. Centcomm didn't even take a picosecond to determine if Aeneas was the least bit "recoverable" - she simply went to the proverbial nuclear option.
megados 12th Feb 2020, 2:27 PM edit delete reply

Exactly. Nothing said that she had to go in with only one plan or option. There could have been numerous contingency plans, none of which would have required any different resources than already committed.
DLKmusic 12th Feb 2020, 2:43 PM edit delete reply

@megados: Respectfully, I disagree. The resources needed to evaluate and repair were put into place by Rose, which Cent had no knowledge of. The additional personnel required to evaluate and repair Aeneas if found to still be functional would have been fairly significant, and may well have undermined the task of extracting Lynn Taylor.

If Cent had known Rose was doing something here, even without knowing the details. Ceci's orders would probably have been altered to "Assist in repair of Aeneas if needed, insert spike if Aeneas is unrepairable"

PS. The dialog here is nothing short of brilliant, Rose! Some of your best work!
megados 12th Feb 2020, 3:08 PM edit delete reply

@DLKmusic, that's understandable. I don't know. Rose somehow had already had an indication that Aeneas was repairable. Yes Rose did put resources in place, but consider, that the repair was mainly done by Kyle. Dr. Silver (who was already there) might have possibly also have been able to evaluate the situation and accomplish the repair. The only main difference, is that Rose's sole intent, was repair, and CentComm's was to format and start over. She had no intention of making any evaluation, and may even thought of, and rejected the idea of having Dr. Silver make an evaluation, for her own reasons, and because Dr. Silver probably would have argued for saving Aeneas, which CentComm had already made up her mind against. So while I reciprocate respect, I have to say that CentComm could have easily had a more flexible plan, and yes, had she known Rose's plan, that would have helped, but I don't think the two are mutually exclusive.
DLKmusic 12th Feb 2020, 4:43 PM edit delete reply

@megados: Possible, maybe...

My big thought on that was that Doc Silver already had her hands full with her role in the extraction, and did a job that would have taken 3 or 4 others to do otherwise, and she did it without destroying Nova Roma's infrastructure... and even then, at the end of the night she was the only person in the assault team that is now persona non gratis.

btw, The job that she DID do deserves some love, which she hasn't really gotten from any of us. so let's hear it for Doc Silver and the Heavy Assault Drone Gospel Choir!!!!!

"What if" is a fun game to play, but sometimes it makes my head hurt, lol.
megados 12th Feb 2020, 5:49 PM edit delete reply

@DLKmusic, yes admittedly the logistics are a bit fuzzy, but I just hastily put it together. I would hope CentComm could do a better job than I could seeing as how she's a military AIS supercomputer with a lot more experience than I have! LOL You're right, though, once Noctis found out about her, Silver's usefulness was pretty much nil.

I would say jobS, if you count her stabilizing Ceci, on her way in! ;) Twice the love, and that's if you don't count related stuff before she deployed! :D
Oldarmourer 12th Feb 2020, 6:24 PM edit delete reply
I'm sort of wondering what the outcome might have been if Dr. Silver hadn't done a drive-by rewrite of Ceci's program...
Deoxy 13th Feb 2020, 9:23 AM edit delete reply
The "nuclear option" was required by something that I suspect she doesn't want to admit, even if the others (or some of them) know about it - her vulnerability to the Taylor genetic code.

THAT was the driving force, preventing the suborning of CentCom herself. And yes, preventing that would easily be worth the "life" of any or even all of them, as that would likely be the result in short order, anyway.
Sheela 13th Feb 2020, 6:10 PM edit delete reply

Decimous was the driving factor in all of Centcomm's actions, by capturing Lynn Taylor, he forced her hand.

That said, all of the AIS's should have known that Aeneas was alive, since the entire black palace had heard him speak.

also, lets not forget that Marcus's group was supposed to be an intel and recon mission.
robnot 13th Feb 2020, 10:12 PM edit delete reply
Aeneas was alive.. ? what is your proof..?
, are you sure that was not so recording, to sound like him.. i need positive proof of life.!
?? intel an recon (strike team)for Lynn .? Aeneas was not even a factor in the brief,,.
robnot 13th Feb 2020, 10:24 PM edit delete reply
some* - - not some recording..
Rashala 14th Feb 2020, 12:22 AM edit delete reply

Okay 2 things from me.

1. After all that I'd still be angry and ultra wary of centcomm despite her logic (But I am just human) also cent has not even said she is sorry about it even though she claims to have not had much choices

2. Is it just me or does rose look very.....excited in that first frame.?

Also what's stockpile zero.....and why do I get a reallly bad feeling it's related to our body snatchers.
megados 14th Feb 2020, 7:37 AM edit delete reply

I could be wrong, but I think Stockpile Zero is the weapons arsenal that Aurelian Livius was trying to gain access to when he attacked/ordered the attack on Aeneas.
robnot 14th Feb 2020, 1:36 PM edit delete reply
not wrong..
it looks like Cent gave Aeneas the keys to a bolt hole (cache of weapons)

@Rashala Cent already sed , not related..
Thracecius 14th Feb 2020, 2:03 PM edit delete reply

Rashala, it's a natural response for us to be horrified by Centcomm's cold logic, after all, loss of identity is anathema to us and seems to be to Aeneas as well, but that just further illustrates the point that Centcomm is what she's always identified herself as, a military AIS, which means she is guided by logic, not emotion. She does not deny her actions, or try to rationalize them, she simply states the facts and takes responsibility for those actions, which is a fair sight better than what most humans will do. Saying 'sorry' won't change anything, and I'm not even sure it would mean anything coming from her, even to Aeneas, particularly after she made it clear that she stood by her actions based on the intel available to her. Sometimes you just have to take the truth and accept it, no matter how it makes you feel.

Regarding Tokyo Rose, now that you mention it, she does give me a weird vibe, though I'm not sure if she's excited, pleased, some combination of the two, or merely playing the innocent bystander in the situation. Knowing her, its probably none of the above! ;)
Oldarmourer 15th Feb 2020, 11:50 AM edit delete reply
1. Nobody really needs a reason to be angry with Centy...she provides them as a courtesy.

2. It's cold in cyberspace...that's why Cent has a nice thick sweater
Oldarmourer 14th Feb 2020, 9:57 PM edit delete reply
and it just struck me that the conversation about hearts and feelings is appearing for the week of Valentine's Day....
happy coincidence or calculated planning ? :)
Oldarmourer 14th Feb 2020, 9:57 PM edit delete reply
or irritating coincidence if you dislike the holiday, I suppose.... :)
DLKmusic 15th Feb 2020, 6:09 PM edit delete reply

I don't dislike it at all, although I am required to live it vicariously through younger folk...

(sux to be old)
Oldarmourer 15th Feb 2020, 8:27 PM edit delete reply
the younguns get distracted too easily...chocolate is still chocolate ;)
knuut 17th Feb 2020, 5:38 PM edit delete reply
My cardiologist says no more chocolate. Ditto DLK: sux to be old!
DLKmusic 17th Feb 2020, 7:17 PM edit delete reply

My Urologist says, no alchohol, no sugar, and no... sugar...
Oldarmourer 17th Feb 2020, 8:55 PM edit delete reply
my Dr says lots of things I don't listen to
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