Comic 1648 - Presenting Evidence

3rd Mar 2020, 9:00 PM
Presenting Evidence
Average Rating: 5 (18 votes)
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robnot 3rd Mar 2020, 10:01 PM edit delete reply
yep.. every thing so far has loop holes..
automated , duh..
codes,,, IF they were the maintenance codes,, then yeah , go an come as pleases..
doll / drone,, ,, yep glitching..
so nothing yet to say ,, thats are boy..
megados 3rd Mar 2020, 10:14 PM edit delete reply

So far, evidence shows a possibility of Aeneas' activity, but it's not yet something CentComm would necessarily have to consider to be ironclad. There is bound to be more. More importantly, is whether CentComm had this information in hand at the time she made her plan, and whose operatives, Rose's, or CentComm's, were embedded there.

I can see a possibility, so far, that CentComm might be unsure at this point, so I have to surmise that more is yet to come.

I like how everyone has paper or tablet, with which to follow along! :D
robnot 3rd Mar 2020, 10:44 PM edit delete reply
hindsight is 20/20.. TR is giving a timeline,, each point as it came up an was dismissed .. Cent, don't care, it was dismissed.. what she had in hand was dicmas had Lynn (cover),, when Dolly an Lynn returned , BA (Cici) was to overwrite an repair.. start over..
Gilrandir 4th Mar 2020, 7:08 AM edit delete reply
At issue, however, is not demonstrating 'ironclad' proof of Aeneas' continued existence and viability, but whether there was 'sufficient' probability of that to warrant further investigation and an assistance effort. I agree that continuous operation of the weapons turrets and emergency beacons is easily explained away by autonomous operations, and therefore not particularly telling. However, Acantha's ability to go in and out of the perimeter WHILE it is still being maintained against others does imply a degree of discretion that would suggest to me something was worth looking at. Even if it turned out to be something as simple as an IFF code she had stumbled across, if you approached her to see if she would/could share that code, then inserting an investigative operative into the interdicted zone becomes (it would seem) a much more viable option.

The only likely explanation I can see why that piece of information was disregarded would be if the asset reports were sufficiently vague and un-credible, or there was a suspicion that Acantha was lying about where she had gone and what she had encountered. Which, given the Palace climate, might not be all that unlikely. If she had found any safe place to go to, she would be unlikely to expose it, and lose the benefits thereof. So, saying "I went to the Dead Zone and had a lovely tea party with Aeneas" could easily be a disingenuous way of telling the asker "Mind your own business."

I do vaguely recall, though, that it seemed common knowledge in the Palace, and accepted by the Prince, that Acantha was under Aeneas' protection and was not to be hindered when she chose to visit him or 'Bad things would happen'. So, I have to side with Tokyo Rose on this. The only plausible explanation for this not significantly affecting Centcomm's models seems to me that, by the time this information came to light, Tokyo Rose had already stopped bringing information forward because she was tired of all the rejections, and had just gone to 'document and archive mode'.
Oldarmourer 4th Mar 2020, 7:24 AM edit delete reply

Aeneas definitely did make his presence known to douchy...

HERE and on the next page, although that might be explained away by a defensive entity as assuming it being TR speaking for him...
Gilrandir 4th Mar 2020, 9:09 AM edit delete reply
Absolutely true, @OldArmourer. But the issue is not what Decimus knew -- since I doubt he is giving interviews to Tokyo Rose's intelligence assets. The issue is what got back to Tokyo Rose (and any others with whom she shared). It seems likely and plausible that, if Aeneas is speaking, Decimus would classify that as a 'state secret' and do his best to keep that knowledge as restricted as possible.

I suspect that 'assets' here refers at least to Miraiko, who had access to Julia, who would be in-the-know to at least some extent. So, as I say, there seems enough there that should have been actionable -- but apparently wasn't. Hopefully the next few strips will explain why.
megados 4th Mar 2020, 10:23 AM edit delete reply

@Gilrandir, yes you're right, "ironclad" was a poor choice of a word. It was an attempt at a facetious reference to CentComm's credibility requirement. So far, as you say, Acantha's alleged ability to move freely in the kill zone, while it would be impossible for anyone else, merits closer scrutiny. It would not be explained away as easily, but could still be. I don't know how easily Acantha could be approached by an operative, or how willingly she would share information directly, but supposedly she did tell someone that she was visiting Aeneas. It's hard to put a credibility value on that, if the operative doesn't know Acantha. It would seem to imply that they did not, since they didn't even know just how, for certain, she was going there. Because of that, it would call into question whether it was true, or that Acantha did somehow aquire an IFF code, or some means of getting through. The 'bad things that could happen' might be just a way of describing what might happen to someone not inputting the correct code upon an attempt at hindrance. Was it knowledge of Acantha's protection, or simply that she had a way through, while others did not, leading to that assumption?

@Oldarmourer, Yes, Decimus and others heard a voice in the palace, and it was purported to be that of Aeneas. From Cent's point of view, Decimus was insane, and either might have set up a recording, or someone else could have, in the hopes of driving him further into madness, or a number of other explanations which could allow CentComm to pass it off.

In addition, Rose made it a point to mention that her collection of intel goes back some fifty years. That would be long before Acantha, which leads me to believe that there must be an amount of information yet forthcoming.

While we, the readers, have a wider view, CentComm doesn't have as robust an overview as we have, and I can see some reason for skepticism, and that as yet, there doesn't seem to be sufficient evidence to sway her opinion, so I have to assume there's more.
Sheela 4th Mar 2020, 11:50 AM edit delete reply

Yeah, when Aeneas said "don't", would have been just about a few months ago in comic time, and not the 13 years, that it was in real life!!

As for the IFF code theory, wouldn't ALL the soldiers that he killed inside of the 5km radius, have had one too ? Basically, an IFF code wouldn't have meant anything.
Centcomm 4th Mar 2020, 1:26 PM edit delete reply

dont you mean.. week?
sigpig 4th Mar 2020, 2:30 PM edit delete reply

"Basically, an IFF code wouldn't have meant anything. "

Sure it would. IFF codes can also be turned into targets...
TMLutas 4th Mar 2020, 2:17 PM edit delete reply
If Acantha told the story of the cookie of friendship to anybody and it got back to the AIS' that should have sealed the deal. That's not something a maintenance bot would have cared about.
Sheela 4th Mar 2020, 3:42 PM edit delete reply

After Lynn suddenly became regenex allergic (and some eggs fell out of existence), more time had to pass.
I think that Dolly was in body-transfer for a while too.
And then we have had some time pass with Acantha in hospital too.
I'm thinking at least a month have passed over all, possibly two.

I could be wrong, of course.
Tokyo Rose 4th Mar 2020, 5:09 PM edit delete reply


Sheela 4th Mar 2020, 6:36 PM edit delete reply

Would you like to make an omelet ? 😁
Oldarmourer 4th Mar 2020, 7:48 PM edit delete reply
Nice going Sheela, now TR's shell-shocked...
megados 4th Mar 2020, 8:05 PM edit delete reply

If there are shells in your omelette, you're doing it wrong.
Ebonbolt 5th Mar 2020, 2:24 PM edit delete reply

@megados: Depends on what the purpose of your omelette is…
Gilrandir 5th Mar 2020, 12:17 AM edit delete reply
But @Tokyo Rose … surely you know that jokes about ova are @Sheela's oeuvre?

And she will make them oeuvre and oeuvre again. ^_^
Oldarmourer 5th Mar 2020, 4:09 PM edit delete reply
omelette'n it slide this time but you're poaching my best yolks...gotta run, see all'ovulater
mjkj 10th Mar 2020, 5:08 PM edit delete reply

@Tokyo Rose: The eggs are still real and canon - there is still a strip out there that mentions them and the autodoc failure...
megados 10th Mar 2020, 5:24 PM edit delete reply

That's classified. (oJ<)
Oldarmourer 10th Mar 2020, 6:16 PM edit delete reply

ssshhhhhh...they're not supposed to know
chk 4th Mar 2020, 6:09 PM edit delete reply

You wacky puppy.
robnot 6th Mar 2020, 7:31 AM edit delete reply
ok,, first the "3 Days." happened before "DON'T".. and i went an counted the days in the archives,, came up with 9 days, 11 if fudge it. including Acantha's hospital stay..
Tokyo Rose 8th Mar 2020, 2:39 PM edit delete reply

Checking my official outline to verify, it's 10 days. Lynn is kidnapped on February 9th, and the attack on the palace happens on February 19th.
Oldarmourer 8th Mar 2020, 6:57 PM edit delete reply
Counting the 9th and the 19th since things happened on both days makes 11 ;)

The hard part for us (and the good part for the writers) is that when calculating elapsed time from the initial attack on the Palace to the current goings-on, or at least as much as we mere mortals can tell from the concurrent activities that may or may not overlap in whole or in could be pretty much any date right now so there's lots of wiggle room...
and this meeting could have taken place at any point along that timeline...
that's not even accounting for the switch to Daylight Savings Time :)
megados 8th Mar 2020, 7:29 PM edit delete reply

Logically, one could pin down this meeting within the last three days, since it occurs after Dec's demise, Aeneas' repair, and the disabling of the contingencies.

Don't get me started on the subject of changing the clocks around.
Oldarmourer 9th Mar 2020, 9:01 AM edit delete reply
Or after Acantha's recovery, the kidnapping attempt, Feelie's ill fated patrol, the Goldiebot attack on the outpost oand/or everything else that doesn't have a hard and fast timeline, it could be seconds after the contingencies failed or a week or more, fluid timelines work in the story's favour :)
megados 9th Mar 2020, 9:49 AM edit delete reply

It truly doesn't have a hard timeline, but consider, the only things we don't know that it comes after, would be Acantha's recovery, or Feelie's patrol/GoldenBoy attacks. We DO know it's after Lynn's abduction, though, and we know the culmination of that closely coincides with Dec's demise, and the disabling of the contingencies, because the disabling would have had a short time limit, so they would have had to be disabled very soon after. The various parties left New Rome within a very short timespan of one another. From those things, and going on Rose's information, we can make a guess that this meeting should fall somewhere around the 17th, to 19th (and likely closer to or on the 19th) of February. As an aside, and as a WAG, I think the GoldenBoy attacks started closely after Dec's demise, for *reasons*.
Gilrandir 9th Mar 2020, 10:40 AM edit delete reply
The meeting occurs after some degree of repair to Aeneas has occurred. Repair did not commence until the same time as the attack on the palace, since that is when CeCi disabled the contingencies. We have the statement of @Tokyo Rose, ex cathedra, that the attack was on the 19th, ergo the meeting cannot occur before that point. My own guess, factoring in surgeries, lag, etc., is closer the the 22nd through the 24th.
megados 9th Mar 2020, 11:59 AM edit delete reply

Ah, yes, you're right; I should have reread what Rose said. Good point. The attack was the 19th. The meeting could have been as soon as Aeneas was able, and he said he was still undergoing repairs when he arrived. Maybe late on the 19th, or 20th? I'm not sure it would necessarily had to wait until after Acantha's surgery.
Oldarmourer 9th Mar 2020, 6:10 PM edit delete reply
That's sort of the's not that it HAD to wait, it's that it COULD have waited...this meeting could be any time after Aeneas regained control over himself until the current time (maybe) after Logrin dealt with the Goldiebot and returned to his bunker...assuming that's the latest point in time...that one might have happened before Feelie had her encounter, after or at the same time...there could be more than one set of Feeliewhackers out there...or they could have split then rejoined...and AIS meetings could take place in a matter of seconds so they can fall at any point along the timeline, but we might see a few clues as to exactly when depending on what they 'say' in subsequent pages.
megados 9th Mar 2020, 6:53 PM edit delete reply

Sure, it could have waited, but logically why? The concerns of the AISs would have little to do with Acantha's health, since there was not much they could do in that regard. The most sentimental one would be Rose, and she was one of the first to arrive. Their concerns would seem more immediate, such that they wanted to hold it as soon as Aeneas was able. My gut feeling is that they wouldn't sit around waiting, when the surgery and outcome could be monitored in real time by Cent during the meeting. That may also be the only way the others could get any pertinent information at all. My guess is that the deciding factor is it's taking place as soon as Aeneas is stable enough to attend, since he himself says that his repairs are yet ongoing. When we last saw him, the repairs were beginning. It's possible the repairs take longer than it seems. I got the feeling they were already making progress. I could be wrong; it's all guesswork after all.
Oldarmourer 9th Mar 2020, 7:48 PM edit delete reply
Yup, as with all things DC and any good story, unless the creators accidentally paint themselves into a corner it will be whenever it needs to be in order to make the story work and it's been conveniently left imprecise enough (so far) to fit any timeline required.
They'll be neither late nor early, but be there when they intend to ;)
Gilrandir 9th Mar 2020, 8:51 PM edit delete reply
Depending on the reason for the meeting, there is a very good reason to not hold this meeting until Acantha's fate is solidly established. If the purpose is to facilitate a reconciliation between New Troy and Nova Roma, you have an additional strong argument for letting bygones be bygones if New Troy medicine is responsible for saving the Imperatrix of Nova Roma and a close personal friend of Aeneas. Whereas, if she had died on the table, you don't really need to have the meeting anyway.
megados 10th Mar 2020, 7:27 AM edit delete reply

I have to admit, that I had not considered the possibility of a reconciliation gathering. If that were the only purpose, then yes, it could make perfect sense to wait.

My (possibly flawed) reasoning was that there are a few possibilities for the meeting's purpose which aren't mutually exclusive. CentComm would be the point source of information regarding Acantha's prognosis and status, and if the other AISs are concerned about her wellbeing, it seems natural that they would be in a real time connection for up-to-the-picosecond status updates. While waiting for new information, they could be communicating with regard to the several other issues at hand. It's really just a feeling, but I get the impression that Rose called the meeting mainly to reintroduce Aeneas, rub Cent's nose in it, and discuss current events, including Acantha's status.

Admittedly, I could be way off base, but my thought is that there's enough reason to begin as soon as Aeneas can participate. It also occurs to me, that Aeneas' repairs might take a while, and as such would also delay the proceedings.
Gilrandir 10th Mar 2020, 10:11 AM edit delete reply
Giving credit where it is due, I don't really think -- as acerbic as she is -- that Tokyo Rose is looking to fan the flames. I think she considers this a 'teaching moment'. And, however much it might appear otherwise, I suspect she is vastly happier when she is the only asshole in the room. Things may or may not go as she hopes in this meeting, but I believe it was called to promote good will and harmony between the various AIS, to the extent that is possible.

Only the creatrixes can truly say, though.
Oldarmourer 10th Mar 2020, 1:09 PM edit delete reply
Oh, TR definitely wants to "teach someone a lesson"...
What remains to be seen is if she's missed an important point that might have been hidden even from her and ends up 'hoist by her own petard'...
Sheela 10th Mar 2020, 2:29 PM edit delete reply

I could see Rose calling the meeting to kinda .. blow out the old cobwebs, once and for all.
Gilrandir 10th Mar 2020, 2:38 PM edit delete reply
That, @Oldarmourer, would only make it even more of a 'teaching moment'. ^_^
Oldarmourer 3rd Mar 2020, 10:50 PM edit delete reply
Now follow along...Page 1, Paragraph 2 reads......
mjkj 3rd Mar 2020, 11:21 PM edit delete reply

not very convincing yet - and dear Acantha's refuge in the complex was not 50 dog years ago...
megados 4th Mar 2020, 7:08 AM edit delete reply

Good point.
Sheela 4th Mar 2020, 11:50 AM edit delete reply

How long ago in human years would that be ?

I found an interesting article, which indicates that 50 dog years (depending on the size of the dog) would be somewhere between 6½ years and 8½ human years.

And since Centcomm has been posting pages for this comic since 2007, which is 13 human years ago!
Which in turn is somewhere about 68-to-101 dog years (again, depending on the size of the dog),
we can conclude that Tokyo Rose, have gotten her math seriously wrong !

Either that, or the comment section has gone off on a tangent .. again.
Only in the Datachasers comment section, can you get golden data like this !! 😁

I kinda hope that Arial starts picking the dog-to-human years conversion apart … it's the sort of thing she would do, in my head canon.
DLKmusic 4th Mar 2020, 5:04 PM edit delete reply

To be precise, Tokyo Rose said "Dog-Molesting Years", not "Dog Years".
Guest 4th Mar 2020, 12:38 AM edit delete reply
Given that she got in and out the first time safely, there is little reason to expect that she could not repeat the trip. Repeated trips imply NOTHING about a functioning AI.

Her repeated long stays are as likely to be peace-seeking activity as anything else.

These latter observations have approximately 0 weight compared to her initial successful foray.
Sheela 4th Mar 2020, 11:53 AM edit delete reply

Well, they do indicate that it is not just a fluke in the system, and that it is a repeatable thing that she can do.

That is interesting, if you want to get in to an area and have a look at it.
Rigor 4th Mar 2020, 2:50 AM edit delete reply
Besides which, Cent is deflecting from the fact that she not only took unilateral actions that she failed to share with the other AIs, but she didn’t even share information between the two teams she sent, thus requiring her to sabotage one of them. And here I was hoping that needless complication of a plan was a solely human trait.
chk 4th Mar 2020, 10:03 AM edit delete reply

Heh, heh. Festering Cockwart. Cool.
Oldarmourer 4th Mar 2020, 11:59 AM edit delete reply
there are few things more tedious then trying to explain a problem to someone who not only doesn't want to hear about it and/or has no idea what to do about it but who takes intense offence to being told about it as if you were accusing them of having cuased it.

I once had a senior manager, when I discovered something that needed immediate action and I didn't have the means or authority to do anything about it, tell me "don't bring me problems unless you have a solution" to which I answered "If I could do anything about it then I would have already and you'd be the last person I'd tell about it"
Sheela 4th Mar 2020, 12:03 PM edit delete reply

ouch, yeah that sucks.
Some Ed 4th Mar 2020, 12:59 PM edit delete reply
Did this manager also get mad at you for bringing him things with a solution? I can fix this, I just need your authorization to do it.

Because the boss I had which got mad at me for raising issues with no solutions also blew up over the issues with solutions.
Sheela 4th Mar 2020, 1:03 PM edit delete reply

Some people doesn't like that because it makes them feel less.


- less useful
- less in control
- less smart … and so forth.
megados 4th Mar 2020, 1:14 PM edit delete reply

I had a boss to whom I'd go to, and say I'd found such-and-such problem, do you want me to do something there? He'd just say yeah, go ahead. If I, or anyone for that matter, went and announced the problem with no intent to define or help fix it, his first remark would be something along the lines of "This isn't the complaint department.", but he'd note it, and bounce it off some others to try to come up with something. Otherwise he'd just say "See what you can do."
Oldarmourer 4th Mar 2020, 3:43 PM edit delete reply
unfortunately, the problems I dealt with most often involved the safety and wellbeing of sometimes large numbers of people, but if you took action on your own and things happened that you had no, or very little, control over to start with; the final result was that you were often disciplined, either fined or fired, for it...after the fact, of course...and after a tribunal of managers had had a few weeks to dissect, 'interpret' and research the 2 seconds you had to react...
which was the origin one of my not-so-favourite but often used expressions:
"everything you do is wrong, including doing nothing"
megados 4th Mar 2020, 4:56 PM edit delete reply

Sure, I understand that. Safety is always a major concern, even though I wasn't dealing with the public. The machines I worked with had to be safe for those working with or around them. Anything I designed or changed had to conform to myriad, often conflicting regulations, and just plain old common sense. It's a two-edged sword though, because even though some of it was onerous, I at least had a semblance of guidelines amongst it all; I just had to find them.
Oldarmourer 4th Mar 2020, 7:53 PM edit delete reply
you can unplug a malfunctioning machine, you can't unplug a malfunctioning person...
well, you can, but ony once...
That was another problem, when the safety inspectors showed up and the situation had been quelled or prevented but the root causes were still there, they'd say "we don't see anything happening at this exact moment, therefore the danger doesn't exist".
Management relied on this approach to circumvent or completely ignore the most common sense things that shouldn't even have needed discussion.
TeeDee would have made a good Union rep...
megados 4th Mar 2020, 8:23 PM edit delete reply

Well, you can only unplug it for a short time, but you are under a time constraint to get your work done and restart it. See, there I had an advantage. I can repair or modify it, to eliminate problems. One common theme, though, is that MBAs, and other management types had the same attitude, that they didn't see a problem, or a danger, and wanted it restarted. It's difficult to make things idiot proof, because there's always a better idiot. There were quite a few pissing matches, but I could usually get my way, by writing reports detailing the problem, citing projected consequences, (or real ones that had occurred, but remained unaddressed) and informing them they would have to sign off on it, because "I do not accept responsibility for circumstances I have no control over."
robnot 6th Mar 2020, 7:50 AM edit delete reply
THAT is exactly how i lost Sgt.(E-5) in the military.. as a newly minted QA.(safety manager) on a "new" A/C inspection, the numbers did not match.. so not safe to fly.!! but a Major (O-4) wanted flight time on the new bird. so Safe to fly.! ..Argument.. it went before the CO. (by this time one of my flunkies--coworker, found the old paper work ((never throw any thing away)) an proved my point..) still lost promotion, but got it 6 months later..
Oldarmourer 6th Mar 2020, 5:43 PM edit delete reply
That's one thing about the Airforce I served in. That Major would be Duty officer for a month after something like that.

We didn't have enough Aircraft to send broken ones up and hope they come back in one piece, the perfectly serviceable ones failed often enough.
hoppy 9th Mar 2020, 12:59 PM edit delete reply
I've heard some stories from an ex repair and maintenance guy who had problems with officers who wanted things done faster because other guys were half-assing things(one of the reasons why he's ex.)
Oldarmourer 9th Mar 2020, 7:51 PM edit delete reply
You can have things done right or done fast...
Me, I prefer to do them in the way that means I'll only have to do them once...
And having been on crash recovery teams, in the way that doesn't leave a smoking hole in the ground.
robnot 10th Mar 2020, 6:41 AM edit delete reply
After , the third "Military Acceptable Loss" , crash with fatalities.. i too handed in my wings..
Oldarmourer 10th Mar 2020, 1:11 PM edit delete reply
there is no such thing as a "military acceptable" peacetime crash..and even one in combat that wasn't the direct result of enemy action is unacceptable.

Airframes are expensive and in finite supply, so are aircrew...any commander who wilfully wastes either will be flying a desk before long, with no outbasket.
Sheela 10th Mar 2020, 2:41 PM edit delete reply

Ugh, yeah, combat airplanes are hideously expensive! 😥
Oldarmourer 10th Mar 2020, 6:18 PM edit delete reply

and much as I hate to swell their egos...pilots are priceless
KarToon12 4th Mar 2020, 12:49 PM edit delete reply

Always gotta love Rose's insults. XD
Oldarmourer 4th Mar 2020, 7:56 PM edit delete reply
Speaking as an afficionado and a trained professional, I look forward to seeing her volatile verbiage as much as or more than the rest of the story.
Thracecius 4th Mar 2020, 2:38 PM edit delete reply

As I recall (which can't be trusted), New Rome royalty has or had special privileges with regard to accessing Aeneas, so couldn't that have something to do with why Acantha was able to approach? I know that doesn't make sense after what her ancestor did, but that's the little thought that is itching in my brain. If I had the time I'd go back and reread the pages where she takes Lynn to visit, because I think that's when she explained the whole story of how she could get there safely.

Anyhow, at this point, I completely agree with our Guest, nothing Tokyo Rose has said so far sways my opinion to her self-righteous condemnation of CentComm. Besides, if she loves Aeneas so much, why did she quit coming to them with evidence? Sometimes all we *can* do to help someone is to be persistent to the point of absurdity. My current opinion is that no one should be blamed solely for the mess that ultimately resulted in Aeneas' being restored to his current state. Also, I continue to wonder why none of the AISs, except for Centcomm, seem to notice or comment about Tokyo Rose's wildly emotional responses to everything. All of them seem to respond to emotional situations much more dispassionately than Tokyo Rose, so wouldn't her behavior stand out? I know they all have personalities, but still, I'd think it would make them curious.
Oldarmourer 4th Mar 2020, 3:45 PM edit delete reply
I think Rose is barely into the first page of her datastack...
There are a lot of things we haven't seen yet and things should get interesting quickly.
Morituri 5th Mar 2020, 9:55 PM edit delete reply
Keep in mind, from their point of view, Rose was the prototype. She existed before all of them. As far as they understand it, Rose was and is the very first AI who 'Sparked'.

I dunno about you, but every time I've built something complicated, I've discovered along the way all sorts of things I wish I'd known before I started. Prototypes work, but they are often quirky and difficult and using them has "unintended features."

What was missing from all software entities prior to Rose? Human-like emotion. What stands out about Rose? Human-like emotion. Looks like a problem that needed "solved" to get real intelligence, but didn't need to be solved quite so _hard_ as it was with Rose and maybe subsequent systems have been designed to be calmer.

It's plausible, anyway. They've no reason to suspect otherwise.
Oldarmourer 9th Mar 2020, 9:06 AM edit delete reply

This could well be TR's origin story ;)

Some Ed 4th Mar 2020, 6:14 PM edit delete reply
I think there's a bigger point here. Regardless of what data there was that Aeneas was still alive, the fact that there was any that suggested he might be should have been enough for Cent to have included the possibility in her plans, considering all the various contingencies she *did* plan for.

Speaking of contingencies, she also should've known of Douchimus's Contingencies, and had a plan in place for those.

The whole thing worked out because the disguise for her real agent derailed her primary plan and used it against the unplanned. For some time, I had defended Cent, thinking that she must have included that capability for independent action just in case Aeneas was still functional. But I've thought about it long enough and I just can't make it work as much as I'd like to.
robnot 6th Mar 2020, 8:00 AM edit delete reply
'Speaking of contingencies.' that is/was a secret.. IE: no one knows bout it.. example,, we know bout Cent's stockpile.. but no one "knows" bout it except a select few... so, no Cent did not know bout "the contingencies."
megados 6th Mar 2020, 9:18 AM edit delete reply

I don't think CentComm knew of Dec's contingencies, but Rose did, according to Centcomm Actual in the comments.. (here)
MikeLinPA 4th Mar 2020, 8:23 PM edit delete reply
you guys are debating the finer points of the story and I'm over here by myself being amazed by the glorious insult that is "festering cockwart"
Oldarmourer 4th Mar 2020, 8:38 PM edit delete reply

Subtle, ain't she ? :)
Thracecius 5th Mar 2020, 11:01 AM edit delete reply

I'm trying not too think too much about the insult, because my imagination regarding the unpleasantness that particular malady might have is not something I want to countenance. ;)
Oldarmourer 5th Mar 2020, 12:26 PM edit delete reply

Then never google (or duckduckgo) 'blue waffle'...
Rashala 5th Mar 2020, 12:38 AM edit delete reply

The last thing the refuge was actually true ditzy decided was prolly a reason she visited so much
Johninaustin 5th Mar 2020, 9:45 AM edit delete reply
I am SO going to use "Festering Cockwart" in a conversation today.
Thracecius 5th Mar 2020, 11:03 AM edit delete reply

Is it just me, or does Centcomm look distracted by something other than Tokyo Rose's colorful metaphors?
Gilrandir 5th Mar 2020, 12:40 PM edit delete reply
Should I be concerned that Tokyo Rose's executive summary sheets appear to be gender-sensitive? Ariel and CentComm (presenting female) have beige and bluish-gray sheets, while Aeneas and Agamemnon (presenting male) have yellow sheets. We don't see what Master Loyola, Big Blue, or any of Shinedo's treasures have -- if, in fact, they were given any at all.

And yes, this is tongue-in-cheek. It just seemed one of those unintentional oddities that occasionally pop up.
Oldarmourer 5th Mar 2020, 9:45 PM edit delete reply
I think it's the angle of the lighting, but you never know...TR does seem to plan things well in advance ;)
Sasky 6th Mar 2020, 12:01 PM edit delete reply
Don't think TR would do that based on (presenting) gender.

However, giving out different versions based on how much she likes/hates someone? Ariel gets the cuss-free version. Aeneas and Agamemnon get the normal amount of cussing. Cent's version is 80% cussing...
megados 6th Mar 2020, 12:50 PM edit delete reply

My guess would be that if Ariel gets a cuss-free version, then Loyola surely would. ;)
Oldarmourer 6th Mar 2020, 5:46 PM edit delete reply
oohhhh nooo...TR would take him as a personal challenge :)
megados 6th Mar 2020, 7:21 PM edit delete reply

To see how many colors he's capable of turning? :D
Oldarmourer 6th Mar 2020, 9:29 PM edit delete reply
Or how many he understood...or used know she has spies in the Vatican too ;)
Tokyo Rose 8th Mar 2020, 2:42 PM edit delete reply

The appearance of the folders comes from (1) the base color of the object and (2) the random effects of the lighting scheme, you conspiracy loons. :D
Oldarmourer 8th Mar 2020, 6:58 PM edit delete reply
see...she's trying to deflect the investigation...she's part of the plot.
knuut 10th Mar 2020, 8:22 PM edit delete reply
She IS the plot!
Gilrandir 9th Mar 2020, 5:17 AM edit delete reply
Ah, but they are different objects! (Or at least different people are looking at different pages. But I suspect different objects were used in the model.) Ariel and CentComm are looking at their folios in 'portrait-mode', while Aeneas and Agamemnon are looking at theirs in 'landscape-mode'.

Maybe two of those four can't read and are just too shy to admit it? <grin>

"Acantha, I have a report here from an inventory system in Subsection B. Can you please read it to me? Your voice is so soothing. Yeah, that's it."
Sheela 10th Mar 2020, 2:40 PM edit delete reply

Maybe they are colored with egg-yolk !!
DLKmusic 10th Mar 2020, 3:32 PM edit delete reply

Congratulations, Rose... You've just joined an exclusive club of writers who's analysis of their own work is, according to the best literary scholars of the world... Wrong.

Fellow club members include, but are not limited to, TS Eliot, Jules Verne, Ernest Hemmingway, and of course J.R.R Tolkien.

Here's your membership card, and your t-shirt that says "I wrote something great, and all I got was this lousy t-shirt".

Let me be the first to congratulate you!

Now let me go find my tinfoil hat... I like this conspiracy!
Oldarmourer 10th Mar 2020, 7:04 PM edit delete reply

Shiny side out....
DLKmusic 10th Mar 2020, 7:50 PM edit delete reply

Shiny side out? .... OH! Right you ARE!!!
Oldarmourer 10th Mar 2020, 8:44 PM edit delete reply
There are two schools of thought on that though...
A) shiny side out reflects the mind control rays which is good...
B) shiny side out lets them track you by seeing the reflected mind control rays which is bad...

But I figure that if you crinkle the foil up in a ball first so it's got a lot of creases in it when you open it up again...
that reflects the mind control rays in too many directions for them to get a solid fix on...
Oldarmourer 10th Mar 2020, 8:46 PM edit delete reply
But never, never wear it dull side out...
That absorbs the mind control rays and cooks your brain so they can work better once they work their way through
Guest 8th Mar 2020, 8:50 PM edit delete reply
Last panel, the look on Cent's face.

That is all.
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