Comic 1654 - Called Out

14th Apr 2020, 9:00 PM
Called Out
Average Rating: 5 (17 votes)
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cattservant 14th Apr 2020, 9:22 PM edit delete reply

their slips are showing...
megados 15th Apr 2020, 5:39 AM edit delete reply

Yes.

Also: Nice to see you.
cattservant 15th Apr 2020, 4:57 PM edit delete reply

Apparently I lived through it...
megados 16th Apr 2020, 5:46 AM edit delete reply

That's a light in the darkness.
Sheela 15th Apr 2020, 6:54 AM edit delete reply

Deep Blue moves Queen next to Queen .. Checkmate ! 😁
mjkj 15th Apr 2020, 9:03 AM edit delete reply

Wow, go, Deep Blue! :o

he really gets them back on track... =P

@alt text: yeah, sounds fitting =)
Gilrandir 15th Apr 2020, 10:12 AM edit delete reply
The AISs go into a huddle. Deliberations are performed ... events are discussed ... hourglasses spin ... a consensus is reached.

"Tokyo Rose is awarded twenty points for realizing that Aeneas was still extant and in need of succor. Twenty points will be taken from Tokyo Rose for uniilateral action and not bringing forward the latest and most convincing evidence of Aeneas' situation so that concerted efforts could be put forward, and a further ten points will be taken for exposing the innocent, Kyle Lamar, to grave risk without following proper protocols. However, for restoring Aeneas to operational status, Tokyo Rose shall receive another fifty points."

"CentComm will have fifty points taken for unilaterally acting to effect a systems takeover of the Nova Roma AIS infrastructure. It would be more, except for the fact that CentComm was acting in self-defense and was severely provoked by the actions of Decimus Livius. CentComm is awarded thirty points for resolving the situation in Nova Roma without extreme loss of life, and five points for excessive good fortune."

"Each of the rest of us will have ten points taken from us for inaction in the face of a situation that, in hindsight, clearly required more active intervention. And now it is time for each of us to return to our respective Houses."
Morituri 15th Apr 2020, 11:44 PM edit delete reply
Awww, that's not a proper Deep Blue decision!

Remember, Deep Blue was originally - as Rose points out here - a Chess Computer.

His/Its first instinct would always be to frame any outcome as in a zero-sum game. I mean, Blue's smarter now, so I assume the assumption can be resisted if there's a specific reason why it ought to be, but in this instance, there's not really.

So, with Rose up net forty, Cent down net fifteen, there's twenty-five points unaccounted for. Splitting it three ways means Blue, Ariel, and Loyola would be down eight each, with a -1 coming from somewhere.

(I assume we're not really talking about an "each of us" that includes Aeneas here, right? only the ones who had some agency in the actions under discussion can be reasonably held subject to award/penalty for their ab/use of that agency.)
megados 16th Apr 2020, 5:45 AM edit delete reply

Of course Aeneas has no fault in this.

I don't like a spare -1 coming from "somewhere"; it's untidy. If you add Agamemnon, and the 3 Treasures, it evens it up to -5 apiece, but I don't like that either because the Treasures still absorb a -5 point spread between the 3 of them. If the Treasures are taken separately, then each is down by 3.5714285714, when we're supposed to be using whole numbers. It's a mess.
DLKmusic 19th Apr 2020, 3:25 PM edit delete reply

If Rose is +40, Cent is -15, and Ariel, Layola, Big Blue and Agamemnon are all down -10, that is a total of -15.

Award 15 points to Aeneas for being alive and well and it zeros out nicely
KarToon12 15th Apr 2020, 10:14 AM edit delete reply

You ladies done arguing? Good.
Oldarmourer 15th Apr 2020, 6:39 PM edit delete reply
Deep Blue seems to have failed to realize that when you intervene in an argument between two women...
No matter how good your intentions are, the end result is that you now have two women arguing with you.
Some Ed 15th Apr 2020, 9:05 PM edit delete reply
This has not been my experience. On occasion, if you handle the situation well, you may only be arguing with one of them. That one will be exceedingly annoyed with you, however.

This has not been my brother's experience. The last time I'm aware of him trying this, he ended up with two women throwing things at him.
Morituri 16th Apr 2020, 10:48 PM edit delete reply
It's important to understand the dynamics first before attempting to intervene. Most arguments are like that stupid leaving-the-toilet-ring-up-or-down argument; They're about things that seem important, and possibly even are important, but wouldn't be seen as important unless there were something else wrong.

And for some reason the 'something else' is inexpressible - something that's taboo to talk about, something where somebody sees themselves as being in the wrong, something that's embarrassing to admit they care about, or so on.

This is why it's a stereotype about women; culturally I think women run into this 'upset with someone but don't feel like they can legitimately or safely express why' dynamic, so these proxy arguments pop up more often.

If you're a literalist with an engineering brain, you hear the words and assume that a solution to what the words are about will solve the problem, and that is a failure to understand. But someone who's been using it as a proxy argument can't *call* it a failure to understand, unless they are ready to own the fact that they've been having proxy arguments. So now they're upset with you and can't express why, and you already know the results. The usual result is that they double down on the proxy argument.

If you wade into the situation without understanding the dynamics first, it's just going to explode. And you'll get a bunch of it on you.

If you instantly capitulate and grant whatever they wanted the proxy argument to be about, because you realize it's easy or should have been done that way all along or whatever? That's fraught with peril too, because now they've been deprived of the proxy argument and they're still upset with you for whatever the original reason was. They'll find another proxy argument, or reject your offer, or elaborate their demands into something that can support the proxy argument again, instantly.

The only way to have a prayer of successfully intervening in an argument is to understand first what the argument is really about. The argument doesn't go away when the issue that people are talking about is solved; the argument goes away when they're no longer upset at each other.

In other words, people who are upset for other reasons find arguments to have. When you come in and try to be helpful about the subject they're arguing about, that does little or nothing to address why they're upset. It makes them annoyed with you because you're depriving them of legitimacy in expressing their annoyance with the other person through that argument.

Women are more likely to do this than guys, but I think that's strictly cultural - it's about how okay it is to be open about being upset with somebody
Thracecius 15th Apr 2020, 10:44 AM edit delete reply

Thank you very much, Deep Blue, I feel so much better now seeing that I'm not the only one ready to move on and turn off the "Tokyo Rose Happy Fun Time This Is All Someone Else's Fault And You Should All Bow To My Smartness Show". ;)
Oldarmourer 15th Apr 2020, 1:03 PM edit delete reply
Tsk...you never say you've completely presented your case, you answer "for now" then demand a rebuttal after taking time to rethink and include what the other side mentions in their turn ;)
Haegan2005 15th Apr 2020, 6:55 PM edit delete reply

Anyone else notice that Cent is meeting Blue eye to eye and Rose is not?

That indicates guilt of some kind in most humans. Though she may still be reacting from whatever Blue did to her head in panel four.(Cent told me that this is an anime stress marker, ooops!) That could also be totally unrelated as well.

Either way I eagerly await the 'Discussion' that is about to follow!

Edit.

I also noticed the way that they each responded to the question on the previous page. Cent basically admitted to it. Rose? Rose did not say yea or nay. Instead, she distracted or at least tried to. And then said yes once she realized who she was about to argue with. None of the AIS in this room are going to fall for a distraction like this, not after dealing with humanity for how many hundreds of years?
Demarquis 15th Apr 2020, 7:21 PM edit delete reply
Ultimately, it doesn't matter a tinker's damn who is right, who is wrong, or what they did. By working apart they almost allowed several million people to die. They could conceivably lost two cities (and there aren't that many to spare). Only one thing matters now--what are they going to do to fix this? Both sides need to come to some sort of an understanding so that this sort of mistake doesn't happen again.
FuzZy7 15th Apr 2020, 10:27 PM edit delete reply
Blue might think to provide for those two a common enemy to somehow reconcile them, a classic technique used to stop two children arguing ^^ !
Rashala 15th Apr 2020, 11:27 PM edit delete reply

He may be a chess computer but he out played cent and rose there




Okay that's my pun quote for the year so back to it!!
Oldarmourer 17th Apr 2020, 7:07 PM edit delete reply
Queen to Queen's Level 3...
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