Comic 1655 - Consensus

21st Apr 2020, 9:00 PM
Average Rating: 5 (17 votes)
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Oldarmourer 21st Apr 2020, 9:03 PM edit delete reply
Shouldn't the fifth '1' from the right in the second line of Ariel's dialogue in the first panel be a '0' ?
It changes the whole meaning, otherwise she's repeating herself... ;)
Sheela 22nd Apr 2020, 4:29 AM edit delete reply

You're right .. in fact, all of them are just repeating themselves - Kinda sloppy.
Oldarmourer 22nd Apr 2020, 6:36 AM edit delete reply
and they're all saying "Queen to Queen's level 3" ;)
Some Ed 22nd Apr 2020, 9:56 AM edit delete reply
What part of 'consensus' do you not understand? ;>
megados 21st Apr 2020, 9:08 PM edit delete reply

I'm'na have to think about this. That's a lot to unpack.

Ryu Santos 21st Apr 2020, 9:44 PM edit delete reply

My brain hurts just trying to download binary.
I guess I'm just a basic kind of guy.
SeanR 21st Apr 2020, 10:11 PM edit delete reply
Go Forth with the Ada of Pascal, or the best grade you'll be able to COBOL together will be a C,..MAYbe a C++.
TMLutas 23rd Apr 2020, 7:33 AM edit delete reply
Now try saying that with a LISP.
HiFranc 22nd Apr 2020, 12:13 AM edit delete reply

Maybe someone would have the FORTRAN to have a Prolog help them.
Sheela 22nd Apr 2020, 4:31 AM edit delete reply

Eh, I'll just sit back with a nice cup of Java, and watch the script kiddies do their thing.
sigpig 22nd Apr 2020, 11:17 AM edit delete reply

Sheela - I thought you would be stringing Perls...
megados 22nd Apr 2020, 8:12 PM edit delete reply

But how much does Sheela enjoy that on a Scala 1 to 10?
Oldarmourer 22nd Apr 2020, 6:36 AM edit delete reply
Fortran ? Watfor ?
Naldru 23rd Apr 2020, 7:03 AM edit delete reply
Watfor and Watfiv? Haven't heard them mentioned for a while. I think that I may still have my old college textbook, Programming with WATFOR and WATFIV, around somewhere.

Do you think Cent and Rose will ever be Amigas?
Oldarmourer 23rd Apr 2020, 1:22 PM edit delete reply
First programming course I took, Watfor and Watfiv were so new the textbook had them showcased in big letters and exclamation points...
"Fortran IV WITH Watfor and Watfiv!!!" I can still see it almost like I paid for it...
Write your program, punch the cards out, put them in the slot to be run overnight, pick the printout up in the morning (but not too early) and then see where you went wrong

Or take one card out, flip it end for end, cut the corner off and put it back..or just shuffle them...but DON'T get caught, "computer time is expensive" ;)
Sheela 24th Apr 2020, 7:54 AM edit delete reply

Ugh, you were lucky then, my first programming class was using a machine code simulator .. on paper. I kid you not.
chrystal_dark 24th Apr 2020, 8:27 AM edit delete reply

There are 10 types of people in the world: Those that understand binary, and those that don't!
Quieteyes 25th Apr 2020, 2:32 AM edit delete reply
Heh. I have a t-shirt that says that. It's interesting to see which people get it. :-)
Oldarmourer 24th Apr 2020, 6:50 PM edit delete reply
Machine code, Gray code, reverse Polish notation...took them all, can't remember anything but the names :)
Several years later, as part of one course we made 'breadboard' gates from individual transistors, resistors, etc. and ended up each building a 4-bit processer programmed with paddle switches and nixie light readout...covered a tabletop
That was around 1978...gads I'm getting old...
megados 24th Apr 2020, 6:59 PM edit delete reply

Vacuum tube bistable triggered multivibrator (flip flop) 4 bit registers. I think I can still remember and sketch the circuits, and some of the rest of our model processor. I still occasionally do some custom vacuum tube design work, although it mostly involves audio equipment these days. :) I still have my reference books.

The early ICs were a source of fascination, but I lamented that you couldn't make measurements at all points of a circuit. I did get over it, and it made circuit designs easier.

Tech nowadays, sadly, isn't made with repair in mind. It can be repaired, of course; I can do repair on a component level, if I have to, but the time it takes to replace SMT LSI ICs is longer than the time it takes a machine to build an entire board, and is sometimes more costly. Smaller, or simpler components can be replaced more easily, but usually not done because of warranty concerns, so board repair isn't much of an option except in 'emergencies'.

Now I really feel old.
Oldarmourer 28th Apr 2020, 4:29 PM edit delete reply

After taking the digital and solid state courses, I ended up as an instructor...on equipment using tubes o.O
and self-stepping multi layer mechanical relays...

of course after finishing the soldering course to repair/refurbish multi layer circuit boards, instead of a Pace kit I got handed a blowtorch and bar solder and sent off to make grounding straps for trailers...

It was still a good course, we were advised to go to the Mess for lunch and have a few drinks to steady our hands for the afternoon :)
I can still smell that distinctive odour conformal coating makes when you grind it off
Quieteyes 25th Apr 2020, 2:37 AM edit delete reply
We were fortunate that our IBM 1401 computer (2nd Gen) was dedicated to our class back in 1980. Sure, we were writing in Autocoder and we'd have to punch our cards, but then we'd run the card-reader and get the printout ourselves. Made turn-around time much quicker.
cattservant 21st Apr 2020, 9:49 PM edit delete reply

need sunglasses at night
to cut down the glare
megados 22nd Apr 2020, 4:48 AM edit delete reply
Sheela 24th Apr 2020, 8:03 AM edit delete reply

Whenever sunglasses and night is mentioned, this clip must be linked !

It's like .. almost law !
HiFranc 21st Apr 2020, 11:35 PM edit delete reply

Does Glare 2.0 have any other features?
Ryu Santos 22nd Apr 2020, 1:23 AM edit delete reply

It slices. It dices. It will even unclog your pipes.
chk 22nd Apr 2020, 6:55 AM edit delete reply

Oldarmourer 22nd Apr 2020, 8:18 AM edit delete reply

It popped into my head, completely unbidden (and unwanted ;) ) but it wasn't my first choice...

It slices, it dices, it makes Julienne fries and don't you want to know how it works ?

I had trouble deciding which version of this one to use so just went with the original ;)
chk 23rd Apr 2020, 10:05 AM edit delete reply

Only through this amazing TV offer.
mjkj 22nd Apr 2020, 12:57 AM edit delete reply


...they seem so similar, Cent and Rose...

I wonder if the next glare will jump some versions?

@alt text: so true =P
ArtificialComputer 22nd Apr 2020, 3:50 AM edit delete reply
Since AIs can usually understand other AIs, I assume the binary represents encrypted messages that Rose and Cent cannot read, but the others can?
Oldarmourer 22nd Apr 2020, 12:44 PM edit delete reply
I think it would be pretty safe to assume that both Rose and Cent have more than a passing familiarity with ciper and code breaking
Rose probably breaks randomly generated ones just for something to do ;)
Sheela 24th Apr 2020, 8:13 AM edit delete reply

Still, with variable ciphers it would probably take her some time, plus it would most likely be considered very rude to do so.
Oldarmourer 28th Apr 2020, 8:44 AM edit delete reply
You say that like Rose is afraid of appearing rude...
Highlander 22nd Apr 2020, 4:26 AM edit delete reply
"We have determined you are not Orks."
Gilrandir 22nd Apr 2020, 5:38 AM edit delete reply
In which the various AIS play 'bit' parts.
HiFranc 22nd Apr 2020, 6:18 AM edit delete reply

Maybe they will get meatier roles that they can byte into.
Sheela 24th Apr 2020, 8:14 AM edit delete reply

Word on the street is that we may never know !
Gilrandir 22nd Apr 2020, 5:40 AM edit delete reply
Really weird thought: Aeneas Is in the discussion, why is he not included in the consensus?

For that matter, only CentComm was actually accused of violating any protocols, so it isn't clear to me (yet) why Tokyo Rose was not included in the discussion and consensus. Admittedly, this way makes for more dramatic storytelling.
Just_IDD 22nd Apr 2020, 6:04 AM edit delete reply
I believe they were both accused of keeping secrets their own particular ways.
Gilrandir 22nd Apr 2020, 10:59 AM edit delete reply
But keeping secrets isn't (apparently) against any agreed-to protocol, @Just_IDD, while attempting to erase and co-opt another AIS system is.

Your 'prosecution/defense' theory makes sense, though.
Just_IDD 22nd Apr 2020, 6:07 AM edit delete reply
Another possibility would be that they are the prosecution and the defense and everybody else has the jury. As such they had their respective says. Then the remainder of the entities make a decision on the evidence presented.
Oldarmourer 22nd Apr 2020, 6:39 AM edit delete reply

A decision which both of them will immediately ignore.
Deoxy 22nd Apr 2020, 8:18 AM edit delete reply
Oh, I doubt either will directly ignore the decision.

Strongly object or proclaim victory first, ignore later, especially for the latter of those two reactions (and they could *both* end up with the latter reaction).
HiFranc 22nd Apr 2020, 2:52 PM edit delete reply

I’m guessing that they’re going to be told to work together and keep each other in the loop.
DLKmusic 23rd Apr 2020, 1:40 PM edit delete reply

as they are taking a consensus, I understand Aeneas being part of it, but the 3 treasures were involved in TR's acting Unilaterally here.

Call me weird but I think that's a conflict of interest.
chk 22nd Apr 2020, 6:46 AM edit delete reply

Oh yeah? 1110110001110000011!
KarToon12 22nd Apr 2020, 8:31 AM edit delete reply

You are both the weakest link! Good bye!
DLKmusic 23rd Apr 2020, 12:17 AM edit delete reply

Where's the like button when you need it!!!
Sheela 24th Apr 2020, 8:17 AM edit delete reply

Weak links ! Weak links for sale !
Hyper Links, Hidden Links, Data Links, Base links
We have all the links you could ever want !!
Sheela's link shoppe, available in a location that only you know about!
Quieteyes 25th Apr 2020, 2:43 AM edit delete reply
Do you have sausage links? :-)
Ryu Santos 25th Apr 2020, 3:12 AM edit delete reply

I prefer chain links. Except when they're missing links.
plymayer 22nd Apr 2020, 9:40 AM edit delete reply

Some Ed 22nd Apr 2020, 10:00 AM edit delete reply
Personally, I prefer to avoid .0 releases. They're generally *way* too buggy. Though, to be fair, less buggy than 2.pre0.5.74q.
Oldarmourer 22nd Apr 2020, 2:32 PM edit delete reply
Even the Three Treasures are supposedly 'in concensus', a phrase I'm tired of seeing since it's been used so badly in the media who apparently don't understand what it means...
or at least they all have the same 1's and 0's in their test ;)
Seeing as I'm having a little difficulty envisioning them taking sides against Rose, this may not bode well for Cent ;)
Rashala 22nd Apr 2020, 11:25 PM edit delete reply

Uhhhh translation for those of us unable to parse and think in binary?
Evervigilant 23rd Apr 2020, 1:35 AM edit delete reply
I just want to say:
01001001 00100000 01110010 01100101 01100001 01101100 01101100 01111001 00100000 01101100 01101001 01101011 01100101 01100100 00100000 01110100 01101000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01110000 01100001 01100111 01100101 00100001
megados 23rd Apr 2020, 5:43 AM edit delete reply

I see what you did there.
Thracecius 23rd Apr 2020, 9:59 AM edit delete reply

I had to use a translator (so cool what you can find on the 'Net), but before I did that I thought maybe you were retelling Kryten's joke from Red Dwarf. :D
Sheela 24th Apr 2020, 8:23 AM edit delete reply


I'm not lazy, dagnabbit !!! 😠
Thracecius 24th Apr 2020, 10:15 AM edit delete reply

As I recall, it translated into: "I liked this page." ;)
Sheela 24th Apr 2020, 4:22 PM edit delete reply

I think it was "I really liked this page"
… but shh, I'm trying to lead people astray here !! 🤣
jabbadamutt 23rd Apr 2020, 5:56 AM edit delete reply
Am I the only one that had the old modem handshake noises running through their head as they read this?
knuut 23rd Apr 2020, 7:10 AM edit delete reply
guest 23rd Apr 2020, 8:50 AM edit delete reply
Thracecius 23rd Apr 2020, 9:57 AM edit delete reply

Nope, and it makes me feel better to know that I'm not the only one old enough to think that by default. ;)
Oldarmourer 23rd Apr 2020, 1:25 PM edit delete reply
I'm thinking Rose's response is going to be o1oo maybe Cent's too...
knuut 23rd Apr 2020, 8:59 PM edit delete reply
But were you thinking the high pitched 9600 Baud handshake or the even older 200 Baud handshake that teletype was using before the internet existed?
Thracecius 24th Apr 2020, 10:19 AM edit delete reply

Geez, knuut, you're stretching my memory a bit there, but I know it wasn't the 200 Baud. I think the first modem I had was 9600 Baud, but we're talking over 25 years ago, so I can't recall if there was something slightly below that or not. I just remember that when I went from 14.4k to finally 56k it was amazing. The jump to cable made me so giddy I just started downloading stuff en masse! :D
Evervigilant 27th Apr 2020, 1:52 AM edit delete reply
First modem I recall using was a 300 baud modem that was the handset cradle. You picked up the handheld part dialed then put it in the cradle and waited, and waited, and waited. I remember calling into Compuserve and paying $5 to $6 per hour before factoring in the connect-time surcharges. Fun times!
DLKmusic 23rd Apr 2020, 1:55 PM edit delete reply

not the high pitch, just the static!
Sheela 24th Apr 2020, 8:29 AM edit delete reply

Tha static is actually the datastream after the handshake has finished.

Also .. South Park Dial Up ! 😂
Oldarmourer 24th Apr 2020, 6:59 PM edit delete reply
I remember a patch panel sort of like that in the 'parlour' of a house we lived in when I was a kid...
Well, not so much a house as part of the RR Station...
My father was a station agent at the time and got transferred to what was literally the 'end of the line'
My mother had been a telephone operator until they were married which was convenient so she got hired too.
That way they always had a 'spare' operator on site...
I can still remember spilling a can of pop into the switchboard and knocking out the entire exchange area :)
Must have inconvenienced 20 or maybe even 30 people...
Morituri 24th Apr 2020, 10:50 PM edit delete reply
There was a time when I could whistle 300 baud, at least enough to get a computer to think it had synchronized. Even got to the point of being able to identify some "words" of binary as they came over the line. 300 baud is about the speed most people can type, so it's actually not too fast for your brain to make out.

We used to joke about somebody being freak enough to actually be able to whistle data at the computer, but nobody I knew of ever could. And then everything shifted to 2400 bps, which is about the speed most people can read text, and we didn't even joke about it any more.
Morituri 24th Apr 2020, 10:53 PM edit delete reply
In other news, I think this whole conference ought to be taking place in a virtual space that somebody could release a giant rampaging murderturd into.

Just, you know, for a distraction from what otherwise seems to be an awfully stressful and tense proceeding.
Ryu Santos 25th Apr 2020, 3:20 AM edit delete reply

Giant Rampaging Murderturd (GRM): Die, die, kill you all!
TR and Cent: *Limit Break Glare*
GRM: *whimper*
Morituri 27th Apr 2020, 11:35 AM edit delete reply
The strongest point of consensus in the whole room is probably Rose and Cent's profound and heartfelt agreement about that glare.
Oldarmourer 25th Apr 2020, 5:19 PM edit delete reply
Release it around the Treasures after they 'get a few drinks into 'em'...
A Reader 27th Apr 2020, 10:01 AM edit delete reply
I want to recommend Luna Star to people, but the first hit when searching "Luna Star Webcomic", the main page "," takes the new reader to the last page. Which is possibly a bit of a spoiler, especially the image, especially if the reader remembers the image as they get further in the comic.

Would the creators be interested in adding a last page to the comic, just a quick thing that redirects the new reader to the first page? A kind of back cover, sure to be free of any spoilers, and appropriate for a new reader?
Romfire 28th Apr 2020, 7:21 PM edit delete reply
I run a duel robotic phased array ultrasonic scanner at work that uses joints somewhat like shown on Agamenon. They are VERY weak. We move a 4 ounce probe around in water. If the probe comes in contact with any thing the gimbal will lose position.
There is no way he would be able to lift his arms unless he was virtual, or about 5 inches tall.
Oh well, (willful suspension of disbelief)
knuut 28th Apr 2020, 7:38 PM edit delete reply
megados 28th Apr 2020, 8:15 PM edit delete reply

@Romfire. A lot depends on the material, and the type of bearings. I know of similar joints of the (imagined) size range of what they appear to be here, that operate in the 400# range in the axes equivalent to what's shown here. I agree that a mulit-leaved hinge might be better, but this would function. A lot depends on the thickness and material of the single tang at the center, and the level of precision of the fit of the pin. A good 4140 heat treat material, thickness of about 3.5 cm with a 4 cm dia. pin, with a slight press fit, and dual row ball bearings in the ears.
Speedy 8th Jun 2020, 10:03 AM edit delete reply
""""We have reached a consensus. You two need to get a room.""""


"A private chat room, where the two of you can talk openly and honestly, and work out your differences."

"Ugh! ... I'd sooner agree to the more provocative meaning of 'Get a room.'!"
"Same here!"


""""We said a PRIVATE room!!!""""
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