Comic 1747 - Procedures and Protocols

11th May 2022, 12:00 AM
Procedures and Protocols
Average Rating: 5 (13 votes)

Author Notes:

Centcomm 11th May 2022, 12:21 AM edit delete
little cartoon by Cicienixa of Dust and Ruination go check it out!!


Also Marcus has good news later today
Marcus Ramesy 11th May 2022, 7:37 AM edit delete
Marcus Ramesy
so here is the update. Desert Data Recovery did the diagnostics, and found that the MCU had fried, wich is consistant with what I speculate happened. they are replacing the board and going to port the data to a new drive, as when it spins up it makes very unhappy noises. Total cost of recovery will be 325, not counting tax.195 for the board, and130 for the 5TB drive to put the data on. Goddess willing they should have every thing copied over today and will ship the drive back to me for install back in to Cents computer.

still not out of the woods yet but there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

FINAL UPDATE: The drive has been recovered, I just received the file list of the contents of the drive and all looks to be in order, a total of 4tb of data, on a new 5TB drive. They will be shiping the drive out to me and Ill receivec it friday evening, Ill then install it in Cents computer on Monday .... if all goes well it will just be a pop it in and go. My hat goes off to DDR, as they were able to do this far cheaper than I ever could... and would highly recomend them to any one who has recovery needs. They do take out of state requests if you ship them the drive. Shameless plug, absoultly, do they deserver it.. They saved the comic, so I recomend showing them some love
Centcomm 12th May 2022, 12:47 AM edit delete
I want to give a heart felt thank you to the real heroes of this.. you guys. your love and support makes me want to keep doing this. HUGS!
Tokyo Rose 12th May 2022, 6:36 PM edit delete
Tokyo Rose
Thank you all so much for your help in getting Cent (and me, by extension) through this disaster. We're going to be working on this comic for-fucking-ever just to pay back the tiniest amount of the kindness and support you've shown us. :)
Centcomm 12th May 2022, 10:29 PM edit delete
Shes not wrong.... points at what Rose said.

also there is enough buffer to cover till i get back underway. ( crosses fingers.)
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Ryu Santos 11th May 2022, 12:09 AM edit delete reply
I really hate bureaucrats
crowbar 11th May 2022, 7:53 AM edit delete reply
♫ People look down on the bureaucrats,
They say we're anal, compulsive, and weird.
But when push comes to shove, you gotta do what you love,
Even if it's not a good idea! ♫
StellarJay 11th May 2022, 3:05 AM edit delete reply

I'm reminded of the movie, "Brazil".
Evervigilant 11th May 2022, 3:25 AM edit delete reply
Yay for the good news!
Ictuan 11th May 2022, 4:38 AM edit delete reply
Does she have a form for avoiding a full fledged international incident with dire consequences because of the assassination of an ambassador?

Re good news: Waiting for the good news with baited breath.
megados 11th May 2022, 4:44 AM edit delete reply

Ugh . . bureaucrats. Self-important, and almost always often useless. Rather than getting anything done, they're there to tell you what you CAN'T do. Love the cartoon inset. My feeling exactly! :D Good job Cici! (Yes, do check out her comic).

I'm optimistically awaiting the good news!
Misty Jean 11th May 2022, 4:50 AM edit delete reply
Yes, rules have reasons; so do treaties. Rules help our officers solve crimes. Treaties keep our city from being vaporized from orbit. Sometimes rules have to take a backseat.
Gilrandir 11th May 2022, 4:59 AM edit delete reply
Treaties ARE rules, negotiated and agreed to by separate entities.
Rocket Fueled 11th May 2022, 4:05 PM edit delete reply

Gilrandir said "Treaties ARE rules, negotiated and agreed to by separate entities."

I'd correct that slightly to say "Treaties are PROMISES, negotiated and agreed to by separate entities, often with consequences or penalties for failure." For treaties, consequences can be drastic enough that rules get suspended...
Gilrandir 11th May 2022, 5:41 PM edit delete reply
I think we're down into the semantic fine grains at this point, @Rocket. What you said is -- in my opinion -- just as true for rules as it is for treaties. Rules get broken all the time. Depending on the authority (or authorities) making the rules, sometimes they are called 'laws', other times they are called 'policies', and enforcement of the consequences can be by 'Police' or 'Human Resources' or any of many other agencies. And, as we have seen, if the stakes are high enough, someone will always feel justified in breaking them.
Rocket Fueled 11th May 2022, 5:56 PM edit delete reply

I think the hair I was attempting to split here was, treaties are like contracts. Both sides agree to something, with possible consequences for not abiding. Rules, on the other hand, are often 'applied from above' with no sense of "I was a part of making this agreement and agree to this", rules also of course having possible consequences.

Anyway, I'm guessing you'd reply to the above "rules applied from above are implicitly agreed-to in order to be a part of society one lives in." And I'd agree.

We're mostly in agreement here. :)
Gilrandir 11th May 2022, 6:43 PM edit delete reply
Gilrandir 14th May 2022, 9:45 AM edit delete reply
As a side note, I suspect that neither Brittany Coburn nor Andrea Valoria is feeling a lot of “I was a part of making this agreement and agree to this” regarding the Epiphye-New Troy treaties, while they are probably feeling more than a sufficiency of ‘applied from above’ at the moment. However, that is just speculation. ^_^
Rocket Fueled 14th May 2022, 10:16 AM edit delete reply

Yup. 😀

I suspect Brittany's method of coping with that is doing what what she's been trained to do: apply bureaucracy.
Gilrandir 11th May 2022, 4:56 AM edit delete reply
In my opinion, Bureaucrats get a bad rap. If bureaucracy was not such a successful method of concentrating manpower and resources, it would not be so pervasive and commonplace. People are happy to take everything they like about a way of operating and lump it under ‘common sense’ and ‘good business practice’, then take just the bad things and label that ‘bureacracy’. The truth is that any strategy has strengths and weaknesses. Concentrate power in fewer hands, you expose yourself to a greater risk that power will be abused, but you also magnify the ability of competent and focused people to accomplish things. Take individual judgement out of the equation for responding to each individual situation and you risk absurdities in the unusual ‘corner cases’, but you also gain speed in response times, plus protection from errors in individual human judgement or uncontrolled bias.

Not to say there aren’t bad bureaucrats, but there are bad doctors, bad plumbers, bad police detectives, etc. are they bad because they are bureaucrats, or just bad because they are bad people?
megados 11th May 2022, 6:51 AM edit delete reply

It's a two-edged sword, though. Bureaucrats are assigned, rather than being elected, and often act in their own best interests, creating or maintaining their own job security. Sometimes they are acting in a common sense way, and can be beneficial, but not always. Elected officials are supposed to be a representative 'sample' of their constituency. That's not to say they they always act in ways beneficial their constituency, but it's somewhat easier to hold them accountable.
Gilrandir 11th May 2022, 5:36 PM edit delete reply
Bureaucrats are hired, @Megados. They are accountable to the person who hired them and can fire them. (Always allowing for things like Collective Bargaining employment contracts.) This technically makes them more accountable than elected officials, since they can be censured or fired at any time by their boss, while an elected official is only subject to special recall or losing when they run for re-election.

They just aren't accountable to random strangers off the street, In the same way that retail clerks are accountable to their boss, but not (directly) to the customers.
megados 11th May 2022, 6:34 PM edit delete reply

Either hired or appointed, yes. Often the appointment outlasts the appointer, and there are holdover bureaucrats who struggle to stay in their position(s) and accountability becomes a challenge. In the case of elected officials, appointments made by them prior to their being voted out become artifacts removable by the newly elected officials, but all too often they slip through the cracks during the transition, and accountability becomes minimal. When everything happens as it should, your argument is perfectly valid, but things do not always go as they should.
Gilrandir 11th May 2022, 6:44 PM edit delete reply
Also, yup.
Some Ed 11th May 2022, 7:55 AM edit delete reply
There are good bureaucrats and bad bureaucrats. My ex is a bureaucrat, but she'd have gone about this very differently.

"Ok, if the treaty says we need to do that, of course we'll comply. But we also have some regulations that require paperwork to make sure we do everything the right way.

"I've sent notices to Central, NTPD HQ, the Cyber-Crimes Division, the Sanitation Department, and the Diplomatic Corps summarizing the situation, but that's only going to give us a little time.

"So let's get started. AQ00574-K318's needed for everyone. Most of the information will be the same, so it's probably best if we get the meat of it filled out first, then copy it for each organization and then fill in the appropriate org information."

Typing noises.

"Do you think this is about right for the official summary of the situation?"

To be clear, she wouldn't do this for *all* situations. For most situations, she'd simply assign one of her people to the job and not worry about it anymore. But this is one of those delicate and important situations, so she'd take on the work herself to optimize the process flow and make sure all of the required bits get done as quickly and correctly as possible.

She does direct her people to be the helpful sort of bureaucrats as well, but there's limits to what a manager can do so sometimes they're not the best.
megados 14th May 2022, 12:07 PM edit delete reply

"There are good bureaucrats and bad bureaucrats."

Very true. It's like everything else, though, I guess; the bad ones stand out more, making everyone else look bad, while the good ones are quietly doing their jobs quietly and correctly.
Gilrandir 15th May 2022, 11:51 PM edit delete reply
As noted: Bureaucracy is a very effective way of focusing power and resources behind a single person. Like a gun or a chainsaw or a media channel, it gives them an ability to influence real world conditions and events to a much greater degree than a similar person would otherwise enjoy. Now think about all the people in your life. How many of them do you consciously notice when they are acting properly and doing things correctly? Now how many of them do you notice when they act improperly or incorrectly? ^_^ Add in the man-multiplying effects of bureaucracy and it is easy to explain why people ‘see’ a lot more bad bureaucrats than good bureaucrats.
megados 16th May 2022, 7:40 AM edit delete reply

From the general to the specific might be the better way to explain this. I would have to assume that the lions share of bureaucrats do their jobs correctly, or the practice would likely have fallen by the wayside at some point. For that reason, let's make the plausible assumption that most do their jobs correctly and efficiently. A minority of them, then, for whatever reason, leave some people dissatisfied with the experience. Reasons could include incompetence, impertinence, failure to adapt to varying situations, working with their own ajenda in mind, self-importance, or simple inexperience. There could be many reasons. The good ones, for the most part, recognize a situation, and quickly adapt to it, and are instrumental in getting a process underway, and guiding it to completion in a timely and professional manner. (A lot of people fail to appreciate that.) The ones considered to be 'bad' fail, at one or more points in the process, to provide a smooth, efficient experience. One such failure, would be to pose obstacles, for whatever reason, that impede the process, without any consideration for the individual situation. The ability to adapt and streamline a process efficiently, is what defines a 'good' bureaucrat.

In this instance, Britta Coburn is being a somewhat 'bad' bureaucrat, because she is being self-important about her process, throwing up roadblock after roadblock, without offering any assistance, advice, or information. She is failing to recognize, that in a murder investigation, more often than not, time is of the essence. Whether she is inexperienced, self-important, or has some other ajenda, she isn't working to smooth the process. She could be cooperating, and bringing more assistance to the process, rather than complaining about forms and paperwork. All in all, this is what comes to mind for a lot of people when the word 'bureaucrat' comes up.
Some Ed 16th May 2022, 7:47 AM edit delete reply
Two points:

1. Sometimes good bureaucrats can be very visible, though generally this is because a number of not so good bureaucrats more or less paved the way for the good one to shine. My ex has shone in this way enough times such that there are a fair number of cancer survivors who know her name and will be thankful to her for the rest of their lives. (Not all of the ones she helped will, most of them never noticed, as you suggested, and some of them still died because cancer is horrible and complicated. But she's rolled those dice enough times I'm certain there's more of them than a normal person could count on one hand.)

2. Sometimes the difference between a good bureaucrat and a bad one is the day, or the time of day, or the sequence of which issue arrived on their desk when. After all, they're all human.
Gilrandir 16th May 2022, 9:06 AM edit delete reply
So, you’re saying that because of specific outliers like Ms. Coburn, Bureaucrats in general often get a bad rap?

It would be hard for me to argue against that.
megados 16th May 2022, 10:21 AM edit delete reply

@Some Ed, Those are fair points.

@Gilrandir, yes I would say that's accurate. I was also inclined to amend my earlier comment. It's not just bureaucrats that bear this burden. Police come to mind as well. Most of them do a good job, and deserve respect for what they do, but have the additional burden of the negative opinions brought about by the actions of a few.
KarToon12 11th May 2022, 6:01 AM edit delete reply

That last panel made me laugh out loud. XD

In all seriousness, though; "paper pushers" can sometimes be annoying, but on the other hand, sometimes all it takes is one unsigned document to screw up your whole operation.
megados 11th May 2022, 7:50 AM edit delete reply

In response to @Marcus' A/N, **Excellent!** :D
sigpig 11th May 2022, 8:12 AM edit delete reply

She reminds me of the Vogons:
megados 11th May 2022, 8:31 AM edit delete reply

HHG reference for +10 internet points.
Microraptor 11th May 2022, 10:45 AM edit delete reply

"Doing business strictly by the book" style bureaucrats: Often ill suited for handling out of the ordinary situations...
Just_IDD 11th May 2022, 3:31 PM edit delete reply
Somebody should tell that autocratic nitwit that she should get started on all those forms right away.
Rocket Fueled 11th May 2022, 3:59 PM edit delete reply

Totally not the 'she' I was expecting. And now we understand the detective's earlier trepidation. I liked the mini-comic, nice touch!
Just_IDD 11th May 2022, 4:33 PM edit delete reply
I imagine the Epiphyte's have dealt with humans long enough to have more than one android for certain jobs. Galatea was the "Speaker-of-Words." Presumably since the treaty process was accomplished, they also have "Pusher-of-Papers," and would have had the foresight to bring them along for this trip. This person will arrive with all of the necessary forms completed. That way Miss Coburn can have a nice sit-down with piping hot cup of STFU. Leaving the Detective to get-on-with-it!

Any bets on how long before Tokyo Rose rumbles to the recent news, media lock or not? For her, a Media Lock, has to be a balloon launch event.
Ictuan 11th May 2022, 5:00 PM edit delete reply
A paperwork duel between Britta and a Epiphyte "Pusher-of-Papers" could be entertaining and effective. They'd get so tied up in their paperwork duel that everyone else could get on of it while the two bureaucrats were distracted.
megados 11th May 2022, 5:15 PM edit delete reply

*starts making popcorn*
Rocket Fueled 11th May 2022, 5:59 PM edit delete reply

I'm curious what the silvery sphere is that's floating above Britta's data device at one point.
Haegan2005 12th May 2022, 9:03 AM edit delete reply

I asked about that too. It's a holographic projection.
Gilrandir 11th May 2022, 10:39 PM edit delete reply
I’m curious about whether @Centcomm’s computer, the new power supply, the new graphics card, and the new drive will all play nicely with each other. Hopefully all the magic smoke stays in its proper places.
Old Fart 11th May 2022, 11:20 PM edit delete reply
What I would call a salad eater, greenry goes in one end and S*** spews out the other.
megados 12th May 2022, 4:48 AM edit delete reply

I'm very glad to hear that Cent's drive is recovered! Awesome news!
Centcomm 14th May 2022, 9:17 AM edit delete reply

yes and renders are to follow. i still need to get internal drives now. right now its all external baby!
Gilrandir 14th May 2022, 9:53 AM edit delete reply
It’s a good thing those are hard drives, @CentComm. I hate to think that, in the past technology of a bygone era, it would mean your floppy bits were dangling out. ^_^
Centcomm 14th May 2022, 12:19 PM edit delete reply

megados 14th May 2022, 2:12 PM edit delete reply

(> ͜ʖ<)
Tokyo Rose 15th May 2022, 5:46 AM edit delete reply

*violently spits tea across desk via nasal passages*
Gilrandir 16th May 2022, 10:46 AM edit delete reply
is so grateful for @Tokyo Nose. ^_^
Centcomm 16th May 2022, 6:21 PM edit delete reply

I am to.. but shes got a cute nose!
sigpig 13th May 2022, 9:20 AM edit delete reply

Alright everyone, I ponied up a donation to The Cause. If six more people match my donation, then Cent will have enough left for for some groceries.
Centcomm 13th May 2022, 11:20 PM edit delete reply

dude you are awesome.. just saying.
Mac 14th May 2022, 4:52 AM edit delete reply
Seconded .... hope it helps
Centcomm 14th May 2022, 9:16 AM edit delete reply

thank you! aslan thanks you too!
Rashala 13th May 2022, 11:20 PM edit delete reply

All I gotta say here is, backup data like mad and I gotta ask is this cop and a certain rescue tech aka teedee related?
Gilrandir 14th May 2022, 12:51 AM edit delete reply
Given the color and shape of her word balloons, Detective Andrea Valorian would appear to be human, which would seem to make any familial relationship with TDE-K132-3F unlikely. I suppose they could have been fostered or adopted by the same family, but that would seem unlikely.
Centcomm 14th May 2022, 9:16 AM edit delete reply

Andrea is indeed human
Centcomm 14th May 2022, 9:16 AM edit delete reply

nope :D
Rashala 15th May 2022, 11:04 PM edit delete reply

Huh bet they'd get along well though
Deanatay 14th May 2022, 10:22 AM edit delete reply
Britta: And oh God, I haven't even MENTIONED the MEETINGS we need you to attend!!

*Andrea's hand twitches towards her pistol, clenches into fist, slowly withdraws*
Rocket Fueled 14th May 2022, 10:27 AM edit delete reply

Centcomm 14th May 2022, 12:14 PM edit delete reply

urge to punch.. rising
Centcomm 14th May 2022, 12:19 PM edit delete reply

So many meetings!
Rocket Fueled 14th May 2022, 10:26 AM edit delete reply

RE: Tokyo Rose & Centcomm's Author Notes:
You are both very welcome. It's worth it for us to keep this awesome comic going. We love what you do! I love escaping into the Data Chasers world.

Ps. Centcomm, looking at your avatar pic next to Rose's and Marcus', it looks flat. I would gently suggest that It's time to get a 3D rendered avatar pic like Rose and Marcus have. 😀
Centcomm 14th May 2022, 11:01 AM edit delete reply

i like it..
Rocket Fueled 14th May 2022, 11:16 AM edit delete reply

Well, in this case it's your opinion that counts! 😄
Centcomm 14th May 2022, 12:19 PM edit delete reply

sigpig 14th May 2022, 11:55 AM edit delete reply

IIRC Centy's avatar is a fan-pic by another artist on here.
megados 14th May 2022, 12:00 PM edit delete reply

Yes, as I remember it, it's by Toherrys from Unknown Lands. (I thought it was/is good)
Centcomm 14th May 2022, 12:14 PM edit delete reply

yes it is.. love her work, i also have one of Ceci by her
Centcomm 14th May 2022, 12:14 PM edit delete reply

Haegan2005 14th May 2022, 6:40 PM edit delete reply

I would like to note that the DC RPG has restarted. I have been told that not all points will correlate directly. I can say that the conversation with the Epiphyte was.. interesting. That that was nearly three pages of text in and of itself.

SOME people are just stubborn. (looks at mirror) I can not imagine who that might be.

megados 14th May 2022, 8:39 PM edit delete reply

Interesting, if a bit cryptic, but I think I get the gist. From what I remember, Epiphytes communicate telepathically, and it doesn't translate to words, but rather, images, (at least where nouns were concerned) which convey meaning.

Without context, I can only point out that stubbornness can be a two-edged sword, and sometimes even a bat'leth.
Haegan2005 14th May 2022, 11:03 PM edit delete reply

Andrea? Stubborn? Nahhh.
megados 15th May 2022, 4:16 PM edit delete reply

. . . although I can imagine her being proficient with a bat'leth (with a little practice).
Haegan2005 15th May 2022, 8:17 PM edit delete reply

This had me laughing. Thank you!

I do remember seeing something about how the Bat'leth could actually be used in a fight. I don't remember it very well but I think the outcome was that it was not optimized very well for fighting? Now I want to go try to find that video again.
Gilrandir 15th May 2022, 7:24 PM edit delete reply
Are you Andrea’s player @Haegan2005
Haegan2005 15th May 2022, 8:19 PM edit delete reply

I am.
Gilrandir 15th May 2022, 11:53 PM edit delete reply
<thumbs up>
Ictuan 16th May 2022, 4:49 PM edit delete reply
I've noticed DC's TWC position has been sliding as of late. More voting is needed. I'm trying to remember to vote daily.
Centcomm 16th May 2022, 6:21 PM edit delete reply

i think its because i dont pay my way in .. rolls eyes.
Gilrandir 16th May 2022, 6:38 PM edit delete reply
It may be contributed to by the disappearance of the TWC widget from your page. Unless I am missing it.
megados 16th May 2022, 7:14 PM edit delete reply

The TWC status/vote link? It's at the bottom left of the page, unless it's not loading for you for some reason.

I would like everyone to verify this, and test it. ;)
Gilrandir 16th May 2022, 7:59 PM edit delete reply
I see a "Comic Rocket" icon, but not a TWC icon. EDIT: Apparently there is a miniscule 'broken image' icon which, if I mouse over it, is revealed as the TWC icon.
megados 17th May 2022, 5:09 AM edit delete reply

That's odd. It shows up as the TWC icon here on both the tablet and PC.
Gilrandir 17th May 2022, 10:48 AM edit delete reply
The image is present on my mobile device, but not on my laptop. Interesting, but a false alarm, apparently.
Centcomm 17th May 2022, 3:34 PM edit delete reply

i dont know whats up with those.lm half the time they are broken TWC has been crap sense they went pay to get a spot.
Ictuan 17th May 2022, 7:21 PM edit delete reply

Don't start paying, I doubt you'd see much of a return on investment. Your faithful fans will just have to diligent to vote for DC as often as we can. I'm trying to remember to vote almost daily.
Centcomm 18th May 2022, 10:27 PM edit delete reply

ever sense this started the numbers never make sense anymore.
Ictuan 17th May 2022, 7:18 PM edit delete reply

The image could be being blocked by a privacy/ad blocking addon you are using if it is targeting 3rd party images.
Gilrandir 17th May 2022, 7:25 PM edit delete reply
Maybe. That is certainly a good thought and a possibility. Thanks, @Ictuan.
mjkj 17th May 2022, 11:42 PM edit delete reply

*lol* Cici's comic insert ♡

I feel with Andrea here...

@a/ns: yay!!!! Thank you, Marcus and recovery team ♡
plymayer 25th May 2022, 11:45 PM edit delete reply

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