Seems like she's trying to tackle the same kind of argument the US did about slavery except both cultures do it, just differently. One culture must take care of it's slave population or it's revolt. The other doesn't have to as they believe all they have to do is switch them off. The more things seem different, the more they are the same.
You're forgetting that there are three historically common results when a large segment of a population is oppressed (you touched on two, and missed the third).
There's acceptance, where both sides simply allow the situation to continue. Perhaps the oppressed simply lack any power to change their situation, or they're satisfied with their state.
There's revolution. The society changes to correct the oppression. The revolution can be violent (pick just about any civil war) or peaceful (the US civil rights movement, for the most part), but change is coming
The third result is one I find interesting...the oppressed party finds (or creates) a Messianic figure who may advocate either of the first two paths, but brings in the added complexity of a 'religion' (And behold, there were in the same country shepherds...).
Well that would certainly synchronize my circuits if I had any left that would still pass a current.
I presume you've noticed some of these sacred words have become quite ancient and steeped in tradition?
religion is a very complex subject esp in this time period. at this time its hard to say what religions there are - ive touched on a fwe of the most important ones. there are a lot of others as well.
ah hah! ok that makes sense Scythe Lizards have a single litter per year of 6 to 12 eggs that take 3 months to hatch. after that the mother abandons her litter . and they are on there own.
I don't think AI's can take a side as in a way they are a separate side. From their point of view both androids and humans need controlled just as they control cities.It becomes a mess of agendas for each direction of thought does have some valid points but separately each is only part of the answer. Each faction if you will knows that the status-quo will no longer hold but each wants to be sure they get the better deal. I sure if somehow a child were to be born from a human and driod it would make things even more difficult but this is very unlikely, at least for now.
well a "child" is technicly impossable as Andriods dont have any genetics to contribute in any way. the DNA used in thier bolologicals doesnt even contain half the information and even if it did it would be a human child from whatever the template for the DNA came from .
there has actually only been one "Hybrid" besides Dolly ,and that was over 900 years back. as well as Dolly, and being a prototype the full capabilitys arent even known yet. although Dolly isnt technicly a "hybrid" as much as a Synthetic life form.
I wonder if the term "a synthesis being" might be a bit more (I'm not really sure about the best word)(spiritual?)(elegant?)(classical?) than "synthetic life form"?
Just to muddy the waters, and play advocatus diaboli (I wear the hat to hide the horns!), if you're going to raise the (quite proper) question of "What makes a human?" in this society, don't you also have to raise the question "What makes a child?" (Minds OUT of the gutter, over there!!)?.
It's true that androids don't have genetic legacies to pass to their offspring, but then again, neither do human foster parents, or even step parents. Does that mean that a foster or step-child isn't a child of the people who raised him/her/them? Does that mean that someone who left a pregnant woman alone to raise his child alone is more of a parent than a loving stepfather who came along after the fact?
There's a LOT more than parenting than simple genetics...it's a sharing / transmission of values, culture, and community...and androids are (or at least should be) just as capable of that as humans.
Exhibit One - Lynn Taylor. Anyone really think that Dolly *isn't* a parent to her?
It seems that both young ladies will have a bit to think over tonight as they lay in bed. I did see Acantha refer to their destination as a DMZ does that mean the same in this era and place as it does in our era and place?
Suggestion to solve the age issue with Acantha, dump, preferably out the airlock of a Luna bound freighter, Decimus, set Lynn as Regent for Acantha and allow them to rule jointly advised and body-guarded by Maximus, Dolly, and Kali.
The AIS DMZ is marked out on the Nova Roma map on the Tech page if that is useful to you.
Nova Roma is a big place. With a population of nearly 20 million, I think their politics are going to be hard to shift...
only one minor issue with that, Lynn is from New Troy most people wouldnt accept Lynn as regent, I know it hasnt been shown yet but there is a goverment besides the prince to consider.
and yes DMZ means exactly the same thing as it does to us.
Selfish motives sometimes overtake what politicians SHOULD be doing (all too often in fact). So they aren't doing what is good for the country (or city state in this case), but whatever keeps them the most power/influence/money... in the immediate future.
All too often, if they did what they SHOULD, they would be better off in the long term, but they can't think (or won't) that far ahead. :-p
And I think they would have to say no to Kali as a regent. Since she has to OBEY whomever is in charge of Nova Roma, she couldn't exercise any control over Acantha. I mean, regents are there to guide and teach the too young ruler how to do things. If the too young ruler though can actually force the regent to obey, that aspect is lost and therefore wouldn't be acceptable to the rest of the ruling class I think.
This is true. But, if her loyalty is to the ruler, and she were made regent, would that mean she had to obey Acantha, or would it mean she had to obey *herself* as acting ruler?
Neither would be very palatable to the other political entities of Nova Roma, I fear. :-) I mean, if she only had to answer to herself... That is a recipe to Stalin or Hitler. :-p
And if it was to Acantha, but she had override authority... not a very effective regent, so again not (likely) to be well received by the other political entities of Nova Roma, sadly.
She may well become a political genius given the opportunity to express herself.
On a side note;
Your treatment of Acantha's facial bruise is very realistic.
(Hope the script doesn't call for Decimus in his underwear!)
It might be a matter of hobbies again.
@cat I cant comment on that :P spoilers ya know!
There's acceptance, where both sides simply allow the situation to continue. Perhaps the oppressed simply lack any power to change their situation, or they're satisfied with their state.
There's revolution. The society changes to correct the oppression. The revolution can be violent (pick just about any civil war) or peaceful (the US civil rights movement, for the most part), but change is coming
The third result is one I find interesting...the oppressed party finds (or creates) a Messianic figure who may advocate either of the first two paths, but brings in the added complexity of a 'religion' (And behold, there were in the same country shepherds...).
I wonder who the android Messiah might be?
They already have a religion stirring in the background of their culture.
I wonder if the oppressed classes in Nova Roma have a sub rosa religion?
Or does the "Church of Purity" keep belief well regulated?
IBM be thy Name.
Thy job streams run, thy procs be done
In DOS as they are in UNIX.
Give us this day, our daily I/O,
And forgive us our ABENDS,
As we forgive those whose syntax offends us.
Lead us not into Assembler,
And deliver us from COBOL,
For Thine is the Data, and the Firmware, and the Baud Rate forever,
LOGOFF
:D
I presume you've noticed some of these sacred words have become quite ancient and steeped in tradition?
But maybe SLs are slow breeders...
I guess the analogy would work.
I REALLY like that quote. That should be the tag line for this series.
To journey out into the Galaxy...
"900 years back".
Sounds very interesting.
I wonder what her story was like?
It's true that androids don't have genetic legacies to pass to their offspring, but then again, neither do human foster parents, or even step parents. Does that mean that a foster or step-child isn't a child of the people who raised him/her/them? Does that mean that someone who left a pregnant woman alone to raise his child alone is more of a parent than a loving stepfather who came along after the fact?
There's a LOT more than parenting than simple genetics...it's a sharing / transmission of values, culture, and community...and androids are (or at least should be) just as capable of that as humans.
Exhibit One - Lynn Taylor. Anyone really think that Dolly *isn't* a parent to her?
Guess you could say Lynn has two mothers...
New vote incentive;
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Unwrapping her
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Speaking of unwrapping,
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And your crew
Moderately well?
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but one could make a case for Minx's goodies.
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Suggestion to solve the age issue with Acantha, dump, preferably out the airlock of a Luna bound freighter, Decimus, set Lynn as Regent for Acantha and allow them to rule jointly advised and body-guarded by Maximus, Dolly, and Kali.
Nova Roma is a big place. With a population of nearly 20 million, I think their politics are going to be hard to shift...
and yes DMZ means exactly the same thing as it does to us.
Seriously, I'd wager they would accept Maximus as regent, in fact they'd probably much prefer that over Acantha's drekhead brother.
Selfish motives sometimes overtake what politicians SHOULD be doing (all too often in fact). So they aren't doing what is good for the country (or city state in this case), but whatever keeps them the most power/influence/money... in the immediate future.
All too often, if they did what they SHOULD, they would be better off in the long term, but they can't think (or won't) that far ahead. :-p
And I think they would have to say no to Kali as a regent. Since she has to OBEY whomever is in charge of Nova Roma, she couldn't exercise any control over Acantha. I mean, regents are there to guide and teach the too young ruler how to do things. If the too young ruler though can actually force the regent to obey, that aspect is lost and therefore wouldn't be acceptable to the rest of the ruling class I think.
And if it was to Acantha, but she had override authority... not a very effective regent, so again not (likely) to be well received by the other political entities of Nova Roma, sadly.